Bold New Higher Ed Spending Rules Will Take Federal Money Away from 1 Percent of For-Profit Career Programs Four Years from Now
A while back, someone at the Department of Education noticed that an awful lot of federal money was flowing into for-profit higher education companies. They also noticed that quite a few graduates of the career programs run by those schools were having trouble paying back their loans. On these two points, for-profit colleges aren't terribly different from traditional nonprofit schools. As Cato's Neal McCluskey notes:
Yes, for-profit schools have low program completion rates, but the overall six-year completion rate for four-year programs is just around 57 percent. And yes, for-profit schools leave many students with big debt, but the average debt for all four-year undergraduate students who have taken loans is around $24,000.
But these facts did not stop the Department of Education from writing some very special rules—aimed at for-profits career schools alone—cutting federal aid to programs that exceed certain loan burdens. Those rules, known as "gainful employment" rules, were released today. Here's the official language:
A program would be considered to lead to gainful employment if it meets at least one of the following three metrics: at least 35 percent of former students are repaying their loans; the estimated annual loan payment of a typical graduate does not exceed 30 percent of his or her discretionary income; or the estimated annual loan payment of a typical graduate does not exceed 12 percent of his or her total earnings.
Needless to say, for-profit education companies are not thrilled at the prospect of having to disclose graduate employment, income, and debt stats—nor with the prospect of losing their share of the more than $20 billion in federal higher ed funds that keep them in business.
But the newly issued rules are less severe than the draft version released in July (I wrote all about it here). The biggest change is that the rules don't kick in until 2015, giving schools lots of time to make sure the federal money keeps flowing in appropriately-sized gobs.
Not-as-bad-as-predicted news is the same thing as good news when it comes to stock prices. For-profit education companies are up today. But a variety of groups aren't pleased, including the National Black Chamber of Commerce and the Hispanic Leadership Fund, since for-profit school cater to a higher percentage of minority students than traditional schools.
Mostly, though, not much will change. In fact, the Department of Education has estimated that only about 1 percent of career education programs will lose their eligibility when the new rules finally go into full effect years from now. And the entire higher education sector, for-profit and nonprofit, will continue to be distorted by massive amounts of federal money.
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Who's going to compel students to share their employment and income data for years following their graduation?
I don't know about you guys, but I have NO PROBLEM throwing away mail without even opening it. If "Ka-Ching We Got Your Money" College sent me a letter asking for employment and income info, and I knew they would get screwed without it, I might be a little less than forthcoming.
Or I might send it back claiming I work for the Dick Hertz Company and make 10 cents a month.
Is that Dick Hertz from Holden?
I was wondering this myself. Even my public unversity is not privvy to that information, as far as I know. I think they know where I work because I told them, but they don't know my salary or what I pay for bills. Fortunately, however, I don't owe anything for college.
STAY CLEAR OF CEC- Career Education Corporation (CECO)
(CEC School List Below)
It appears Career Education Corporation has been operating degree-mills and federal funding could stop.
CEC is being investigated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office ("GAO") for deceptive or otherwise questionable statements, which included information about the college's accreditation, graduation rates and its student's prospective employment and salary qualifications, duration and cost of the program, or financial aid. Representatives at certain schools also employed hard-sell sales and marketing techniques to encourage students to enroll. The investigations could lead to civil or criminal sanctions, including fines, loss of state licenses and the ability to participate in federal financial aid programs.
CEC - Career Education Corporation (CECO) a for-profit conglomerate is highly untrustworthy. Researching this company and its schools briefly reveals countless highly damaging reports including, but not limited to CBS investigations, scam school list, a degree mill list and regulatory investigative fact-finding reports into its business practices. Furthermore and more importantly, thousands of past and current students in addition to faculty alike have filed lawsuits against CEC for enrollment and job placement fraudulence in addition to many other untrustworthy practices. These lawsuits have been successful. There is something wrong at Career Education Corp. and the lawsuits and judgments are evidence of that. Federal regulators recently tightened job placement and federal loan payback guidelines on CEC and its highly unlikely Career Education Corp. can satisfy the new guidelines. Career Education Corporation final days are numbered.
Job recruiter:
"Most for-profit degrees are worthless. Our company will not interview students from these "colleges" due to the low quality. All they care about is getting loan money."
CEC School List:
AIU ? American InterContinental University
CTU ? Colorado Technical University
IADT ? International Academy of Design
Le Cordon Bleu Culinary School
Sanford-Brown
Briarcliff College
CEC will have a difficult time with imminent federal spending cuts and Pell Grant limitations.
Those who purchased shares of Career Education Corp. (Public, NASDAQ:CECO), have certain options and should contact the Shareholders Foundation at mail@shareholdersfoundation.com or call +1(858) 779 - 1554.
Contact:
Shareholders Foundation, Inc.
Trevor Allen
3111 Camino Del Rio North - Suite 423
92108 San Diego
Phone: +1-(858)-779-1554
Fax: +1-(858)-605-5739
mail@shareholdersfoundation.com
http://www.ShareholdersFoundation.com
at least 35 percent of former students are repaying their loans
Oh wait, I didn't see this one.
Seriously, why even bother making up a rule if this is going to be the rule?
I can't believe I missed that!
So a 36% repayment rate is considered good stewardship of tax payer money?
That was a rhetorical question.
Oh, and they don't even have to meet that standard -- just one of those three criteria will suffice to not get disqualified.
Did I miss it, or did Reason already cover the story about how these rules were originally drafted in collaboration with an investor going short on for-profit schools?
I know it's a blog, but you could still proofread it. (See "newS" twice in the same sentence, and "elLigibility".)
Where are you when posters write "joos" instead of jews?
The BA is the devil [rolls eyes]
I couldn't agree with this statement more. Unless a student plans on completing a graduate degree program, a degree in sociology, communications, psychology, political science, etc, is about as useful as the remains left in a babies diaper.
Too many kids are being told that they need a college degree to be successful adults, but no one is spending the time to educate kids on what skill sets are in the high demand, or will be the most beneficial in the future.
I blame Oprah. I have for years.
True story.
You finally got her to quit her TV show. Nice job.
Sure they are - I know a counselor who tells kids this all the time. The problem is "that major is too hard."
Kids who don't belong in college are, nonetheless, steered there by parents into any major where Johnny and Suzie have a reasonable shot of not flunking out.
How long does it take to figure out that a psych degree is worthless unless you are going to become a psychiatrist or psychologist?
About 10 minutes after they graduate with the undergrad degree.
Not if they follow the advice of Thorton Mellon.
This is a great lesson on how to lie with statistics.
1) State a low sounding number for comparison without stating the relevant number for for profit schools (check)
2) State a composite number without breaking out the totals (check)
FWIW, here are the relevant comparisons.
University graduation rates (2008):
For-profit - 22%
Public - 55%
Private non-profit - 66%
Median debt for degree recipients (2008):
For-profit - $31K
Public - $8K
Private non-profit - $17K
From the link for total debt:
For-profit - $25K (with 97% taking loans)
Public - $20K (61% taking loans)
Private non-profit - $27K (71% taking loans)
So while the debt situation for all universities is pretty bad, it's apparent that for profit schools are at a completely different level than non-profits.
http://www.edtrust.org/dc/pres.....r-students
It's called freedom, bitches.
Freedom.
Freedom bitches? Are they like the Tooth Fairy?
We prefer to call them the Tooth LGBTQ.
Let's not forget to do a real comparison, by socio-economic status of the students at the various types of schools, while we're at it.
Color me unimpressed that the students from well-off families and relatively functional schools who atttend non-profits have good graduation rates and lower debt.
I'm agree that the best comparison would involve holding SES constant. I would be interested in those numbers because it would be a more apples to apples comparison. However, the numbers KMW quoted from by CATO is just unimpressive obfuscation.
Though I will note that it may not help as many non-profit private universities and most public universities have significant need based grants and in some cases waive tuition below a certain parental income. The kids racking up the big debts are the middle and upper middle class kids that don't qualify for need-based grants.
But the reason you end up at a for-profit school is because you weren't able to attend a public or private non-profit school and graduate between the ages of 18 and 22.
So the stats for the for-profit schools should be a lot worse than they are.
You could look at your top stat and say "22% of the people failed by the traditional higher education system were saved by for-profit schools".
Or, "Well, public colleges fail 45% of their students, but OF THAT 45%, for-profit colleges then swoop in and manage to get degrees in the hands of 22% of them."
You and I have a different definition of being saved. Ending up $31K in debt for a degree that won't help your earning power enough to cover the payments isn't exactly saving.
I would agree with that, actually.
But the narrative behind these new rules is,
"Nasssty evil for-profit companies have worse statistical results than 'real' colleges, so we need to change the rules for them and them alone, and not the brave stalwart servants of the public good in the traditional university system".
True. The narrative should be, "Demonstrate effectiveness or we'll cut off the money spigot. These rules will apply to for and non profit schools"
We (meaning the taxpayers) should cut off the money spigot, especially grants and loan guarantees, regardless. There's nothing wrong with loans, and there's nothing wrong with pricing in risk just like with any other loans, and removing govt gaurantees. I have never understood why students are so averse to getting student loans. I see the same students who think nothing of borrowing 25K to buy a new car balk at borrowing 10K to get a degree.
The car will provide a better ROI than the degree.
I don't see why the stats matter. Comparing graduation the graduation rates of for-profit and non-profit institutions, is comparing apples to oranges, because the demographics of the two types of institutions are completely different.
Public and private, non-profit universities don't cater to "non-traditional" students, which is the bulk of the for-profit student base. Non-traditional students typically have greater responsibilities outside of school, such as supporting a family. The more a person has on his/her plate, the greater the opportunity to underachieve in college.
What Fluffy said
I dunno, if you need the federal teat to keep you in business...
Only a small percentage of the 18 year old population, is smart enough to deal with genuine, college level material
I'm one of those "non-traditional students". I took some classes at my local state university this past year. Early in the semester, my English professor had to remind the class to capitalize the word "I".
But spending $200,000 to get a degree in medieval literature from Harvard is still OK, right?
Sure, if you didn't have anything that needed that $200K more.
Bob: "The four years at Clown College?"
Cecil: "I'll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way."
If everyone goes to college, then who will the NYTimes and WaPo readers look down on?
Young Republicans?
STAY CLEAR OF CEC- Career Education Corporation (CECO)
(CEC School List Below)
It appears Career Education Corporation has been operating degree-mills and federal funding could stop.
CEC is being investigated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office ("GAO") for deceptive or otherwise questionable statements, which included information about the college's accreditation, graduation rates and its student's prospective employment and salary qualifications, duration and cost of the program, or financial aid. Representatives at certain schools also employed hard-sell sales and marketing techniques to encourage students to enroll. The investigations could lead to civil or criminal sanctions, including fines, loss of state licenses and the ability to participate in federal financial aid programs.
CEC - Career Education Corporation (CECO) a for-profit conglomerate is highly untrustworthy. Researching this company and its schools briefly reveals countless highly damaging reports including, but not limited to CBS investigations, scam school list, a degree mill list and regulatory investigative fact-finding reports into its business practices. Furthermore and more importantly, thousands of past and current students in addition to faculty alike have filed lawsuits against CEC for enrollment and job placement fraudulence in addition to many other untrustworthy practices. These lawsuits have been successful. There is something wrong at Career Education Corp. and the lawsuits and judgments are evidence of that. Federal regulators recently tightened job placement and federal loan payback guidelines on CEC and its highly unlikely Career Education Corp. can satisfy the new guidelines. Career Education Corporation final days are numbered.
Job recruiter:
"Most for-profit degrees are worthless. Our company will not interview students from these "colleges" due to the low quality. All they care about is getting loan money."
CEC School List:
AIU ? American InterContinental University
CTU ? Colorado Technical University
IADT ? International Academy of Design
Le Cordon Bleu Culinary School
Sanford-Brown
Briarcliff College
CEC will have a difficult time with imminent federal spending cuts and Pell Grant limitations.
Those who purchased shares of Career Education Corp. (Public, NASDAQ:CECO), have certain options and should contact the Shareholders Foundation at mail@shareholdersfoundation.com or call +1(858) 779 - 1554.
Contact:
Shareholders Foundation, Inc.
Trevor Allen
3111 Camino Del Rio North - Suite 423
92108 San Diego
Phone: +1-(858)-779-1554
Fax: +1-(858)-605-5739
mail@shareholdersfoundation.com
http://www.ShareholdersFoundation.com