New York State's Highly Regulated, Highly Priced Health Insurance
The New York Daily News reports that one health insurance company is now charging $3,319 each month for an individual premium. Another insurer is charging $8,463 each month for a family plan. Meanwhile, of the 13 HMOs serving New York City in 2004, just seven remain, and the number of people purchasing their own insurance has dropped from roughly 100,000 ten years ago to 13,335. The state's health insurance market, according to insurers and state officials, has fallen into an "adverse selection death spiral": rising premiums push out younger and healthier customers at the margins, which leads to a smaller, more expensive insurance pool, which pushes out even more of the young and healthy customers and so on and so forth.
Why is health insurance in New York State so expensive? And why is the market collapsing?
Part of the answer is that New York is an expensive state in which to operate, and the population is expensive to insure. But it's also because New York is one of the most highly regulated health insurance markets in the United States.
High insurance prices and a shrinking market aren't in New York aren't a new development. Almost two decades ago, the state began to enforce a pair of regulations that were intended to fix inequities in the health insurance market. The first, called guaranteed issue, required insurers to sell policies to all comers. The second, called community rating, prohibited insurers from charging different premiums based on health status, age, or sex—the same package of benefits, in other words, had to be sold at the same price regardless of individual risk factors.
The intention was to make health insurance more affordable and accessible to those without employer-sponsored insurance. It didn't work. Instead, according to a 2009 report published by the Manhattan Institute, the market effectively collapsed. Health insurance premiums began to rise as insurers were prohibited from pricing risk. As prices rose, so did the velocity of the "death spiral." The individual insurance market shrunk from 4.7 percent of the state's insurance market to just 0.2 percent of it, while in the rest of the U.S. the individual market rose from 4.5 percent to 5.5 percent.
The twin insurance markets were responsible for a substantial portion of the rise in prices: The Manhattan Institute report estimated the dropping community rating and guaranteed issue would reduce premiums prices by an average of 42 percent.
Other states that tried the same regulatory one-two punch fared similarly: A 2008 analysis in Health Affairs by a Kaiser Permanente official noted that the individual insurance markets in Kentucky, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont all "deteriorated" after implementing the two insurance regulations. But according to a insurance industry data, these states saw "no significant decrease in the uninsured population."
In a state like New York, where these sorts of de facto price controls have already decimated the individual insurance market and driven the remaining premiums sky high, ObamaCare's individual mandate may have some effect on premium prices. Because the mandate will bring younger and healthier individuals into the insurance pool, the individual rates may see a one-time drop, perhaps even a large one. This is what happened in Massachusetts, which saw a one-time drop in its highest-in-the-nation individual insurance rates after implementing a mandate. But insurance prices in the state are rising faster than the state can afford, and individual insurance premiums are still the second highest in the nation—behind New York's.
Meanwhile, the only way to expand the insurance pool was to first mandate participation and second subsidize premiums for nearly all the new entrants: About 80 percent of those enrolled in Massachusetts's insurance exchanges receive subsidies. So it's members of the public who get stuck with the tab to expand these insurance pools. Premium prices have only come down because taxpayers have paid up.
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Strange how here in California we have the lowest health insurance premiums in the country. I pay next to nothing for insurance.
Can we really have that much less regulations than NY?
No but it doesn't fit the tale
Here is what you have that New York doesn't have, a huge supply of young, generally healthy immigrant workers. The median age of California is 33.3. New York is 35.9. That is a big difference.
http://www.eredux.com/states/d.....hp?id=1111
http://www.eredux.com/states/d.....hp?id=1113
You and your pesky, inconvenient facts!
immigrant workers are likely insured through Medicaid
No they are not. Some of them sure. But not all of them. They can buy insurance just like you.
Hate to tell you but they are the population having babies and a Dr. friend told me they don't like the deductable, and routinely drop any private insurance for Medicaid with every pregnancy, or surgery
My stats beat your anecdote.
I know it is a significant price difference. Medicaid pays less than 1K for a delivery.
It would make an interesting study as they 'means test' the savings on any procedure. Medicaid is a revolving door for certain segments of the population.
Interestingly, a physician is required to opt out, and in under strict time rules
I would chalk this up to the law of unintended consequences... but I think this was intended... drive out private insurance so Doctor Sam can take care of all our medical needs.
It's funny because, growing up, I was taught to avoid Uncle Sam if he tries to play doctor.
(damn, only what, 2 years too late? for THE tv ad that would've killed obamacare: *picture of creepy old man offering an oversized lollipop* "Don't Let Uncle Same Play Doctor With YOU. This Ad Paid For By the Foundation For Americans Against Molestation In LibertY (FAAMILY).")
I think that instead of allowing the claim to be made that "premiums dropped" because of the individual mandate, we have to measure the premium change by the category of covered individuals.
People who previously held policies experienced a one-time premium drop of X%.
People who previously did NOT hold policies saw an ongoing premium increase of infinity %.
Wow, downright scary. I am surprised anyone actually lives in New York!
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Me too bot, me too.
One other thing to consider. New York State's socialist economic policies drive away young workers. That in turn makes the pool of insured older and more expensive thus driving up everyone's premiums since premiums are pooled via community rating. If you like community ratings, it is a really bad idea to enact economic policies that skew your demographic towards old people.
Did I hear my name?
I have first hand misexperience in NY. For 10 years I was on an individual HMO. My first year was via Cobra and ran around $250. Around 2006 I 'joined' a group which as able to get me a better rate than the NYS 'approved' basic hmo rate from BCBS (they wanted around 600/mo at that time). I believe the work around with this group was they had a sub which as part of the hiway teamsters. In any event, even after fee, I was ahead by about 100 bucks a month. By 2010 they wanted $750/mo on renewal, again for a vanilla HMO plan.
I've since incorporated and gone to a high deductible plan ($2500). That runs me $284/mo. I just got the renewal notice yesterday... happy days! Only a 22.7% increase. Last year they sent word (prior to even getting my id cards) that they expected the price to go up 33%.
I could probably pay 2/3 that price in nearby CT. This link gives the current approved rates in each county. The Empire plan I once was on runs $1289 in the nyc metro area. Nice!
forgot to add.. all the HMO plans give you crap you dont want or need. Ex, as a single male do I really need maternity benefits?
They give you crap you don't need because of benefit mandates. Another thing that drives up rates.
Ex, as a single male do I really need maternity benefits?
You say that now, but as soon as one of your one-night-stands goes wrong and you get knocked up...you'll be pretty glad that the NY Legislature had your back.
Is he going to turn into a woman in one of those one-night-stands gone wrong? Unless he is, I can't see how maternity benefits would help him. The insurance company sure won't be paying for the mother's costs.
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It's going to be one helluva one-night-stand. Truly epic.
sure, you know how expensive it is to undo a sex change operation?
sure, you know how expensive it is to undo a sex change operation?
Not with my Fancy New York Super Insurance.
New York is by far the worst state for insurance regulations, mandated benefits, and long waits for the State Department of Insurance to approve new policies.
Also - New York requires that a company that sells policies in NY comply with New York regulations EVERYWHERE that policy is sold. They have claimed the authority to supersede the legislatures and regulators of every other state - even when their rules directly conflict with those of other states.
Rather than even try to comply with NY regs and risk the rest of their portfolio, the companies that decide to go through the trouble of selling in NY must go through a bunch of legal hoops. They have to form independent subsidiary companies to issue policies there in order to shield the rest of their products from New York. You can probably imagine the extra legal, accounting, and IT costs this causes ? all of which get passed on the policyholders.
The entitlement mentality is strong here in the Empire state. My company gives a nice discount on our health insurance to employees that follow a healthy living plan. It's so simple to follow and reduces the cost to employees that participate and follow it. People in this insurance company(!) I work at are all pissy about it because some people have a hard time laying off their drawer full of name brand snack foods.
Wait...wait...
It seems like you're telling me that price controls and blind, bureaucratic top-down management are choking the life out of the NY healthcare business model...
But that can't be! The people voted for something that's good for everyone. How can brainless good intentions *possibly* have these kinds of unintended consequences?
Fucking fuck New York. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it a hundred times over. It's turned the greatest city in history into a fantastical, abyssal shithole. God, I hope they all burn in some sort of eternal hell when they die (the legislators and executives).
Oh, I was hoping you meant New Yorkers. Cause that would be good too.
No pay increases, plenty "benefits" nation. Aggravates me when a job posting gives no idea how much you will make but is happy to tell you about the great "benefits".
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