Battle of the Budgets
Is it too late to get America off the road to bankruptcy?
Since America is on the road to bankruptcy, we've got to make some changes. What would you do?
The Peter G. Peterson Foundation gave $200,000 to six think tanks to write budget proposals. The money went to the conservative American Enterprise Institute and Heritage Foundation; the "liberal" Center for American Progress, Economic Policy Institute, and Roosevelt Institute Campus Network; and the Bipartisan Policy Center.
On my Fox Business show tonight, representatives from most of these think tanks will summarize their proposals, and I'll have the audience pick its favorite. It's a "Battle of the Budgets." The winner will get one of the Emmys I won during my days as a consumer reporter. I know, it's corny, but I produce a TV program. If the subject is budgets, I'll use any gimmick to make it interesting.
The proposals:
The American Enterprise Institute plan would reduce the debt-to-gross-domestic-product ratio to 60 percent. It's 68 percent now.
AEI would preserve most military spending, but cut Social Security by giving every retiree an $850 monthly check and not letting 62- to 65-year-olds collect benefits early. The payroll tax would be eliminated on people 62 and older to encourage them to stay in the workforce. The age for Medicare would rise to 67, and the program would be revamped into a government subsidy for private insurance. AEI would eliminate farm subsidies and the child tax credit. AEI would replace all current taxes with a consumption tax like the "Fair Tax."
The Bipartisan Policy Center plan would cut the debt to about 50 percent of GDP within 25 years. It would freeze military and discretionary spending, require people with incomes over $106,000 to pay more into Social Security and "slightly" reduce benefits for the wealthy. Medicare spending growth would be limited to the GDP increase plus 1 percent. Beneficiaries could move to private plans.
The center would cut the top corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 27 percent and establish a new 6.5 percent "Debt Reduction Sales Tax."
Yikes! A new tax! I'm reminded of Milton Friedman's words: "Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program."
The Roosevelt Institute claims to reduce our debt to 63 percent of GDP. The plan would cut spending by ending the Iraq and Afghanistan wars by 2015, but make no cuts in Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. The institute wants more spending on "domestic investment"—universal preschool, the safety net, transportation, and worker retraining. Roosevelt's tax plan would cut corporate rates by 3 percentage points, but create a new "too big to fail" tax on banks and impose a new "financial transactions" tax.
Under the Economic Policy Institute's plan, jointly written with Demos, our debt would increase to 90 percent of GDP. Military spending would be cut by $960 billion over 10 years. People making over $106,000 would pay more into Social Security, but Medicare and Medicaid would not be touched. The plan calls for $84 billion a year more in discretionary spending than President Obama wants—more for early childhood education, child care, public transit, rural broadband connectivity, and research and development.
EPI and Demos would repeal the George W. Bush tax cuts on high-income people; enact a 50 percent tax on estates worth over $10 million, a financial speculation tax, and a surcharge on top earners; tax capital gains and dividends as ordinary income; and increase the gasoline tax. It's good to hear what liberals would do if they were in power.
Finally, the Heritage Foundation plan is the only one that would actually balance the budget. Federal spending would gradually drop to 18.5 percent of GDP, below the modern average. Heritage would preserve most military spending, but Social Security and Medicare benefits would be phased out for individuals making over $110,000 a year. The eligibility age would rise to 68 and then be indexed to life expectancy.
Heritage would replace all taxes with a simple flat income tax, with deductions remaining for higher education, charitable donations/gifts, and mortgage insurance.
As a libertarian, I'm underwhelmed. This year, our government will spend an astounding $3.8 trillion. We need to eliminate entire agencies, departments and missions. None of these think tanks do that.
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It looks like Greece is all done:
http://www.reuters.com/article.....=bondsNews
You knew it was all over as soon as EU leaders started loudly proclaiming there was no risk of a debt restructuring.
Poof. There goes the Euro.
I think I might go out this evening and plant a few extra rows of potatoes.
"The failure to lower the interest rates on the debt of countries such as Greece means politics have failed "to get a head-start over the markets," Bofinger said."
Ain't it always the way?
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of lazy, indolent, socialist losers.
That "Thelma and Louise" picture - other than trashing a perfectly-good T-Bird - never gets old.
Even though Thelma and Louise have.
Yeah, but they should have left Sarandon in car and told Geena to stay out of politics if she didn't want to be chained to the car in the sequel.
The Peter G. Peterson Foundation gave $200,000 to six think tanks to write budget proposals.
That money could have been used to pay down the debt!
It's a private group.
Though it's endowment of $1,000,000,000 could have paid off .0007% of the debt.
The conservatives never met a military program they didn't like, and the liberals never met a social program they didn't like. A pox on both their houses.
So right you are.
When anyone can vote everybody loses.
Wouldn't AEI's consumption tax throw more grit into the wheels of B2B transactions and favor mega corporations that own everything involved in production?
It'd also move a lot of transactions to, uh, 'other places'.
"up the butt", or "in the anus", if you want to be correct about it.
Nah. Under a Republican system, anal sex will be illegal.
Bug? Or feature?
Feature, not a bug.
Any budget which pegs spending below the historic average is probably unworkable, likewise any budget which spends above it. Policy tends to settle there regardless of who is making it, so I doubt anything which tries another approach would succeed.
Why?
Because people in this country are fucking stupid!
Don't forget lazy
EPI and Demos - Wow! Really? Dudes, put the crack pipe down.
The rest of them are underwhelming.
"Under the Economic Policy Institute's plan, jointly written with Demos, our debt would increase to 90 percent of GDP."
This shows what I've been saying all along. Liberals are in total denial that there is any financial problem at all. It's all just some GOP conspiracy.
Remember, markets are magic only when libertarians and conservatives say they are. As long as the Right People are in charge markets are a perpetual money machine which should be, must be used for the Common Good (which is determined by the Right People).
It seems like just about everyone in America has a budget proposal, except for the dirtbag democrats in Congress who actually have part of the constitutional responsibility to come up with one.
"As a libertarian, I'm underwhelmed. This year, our government will spend an astounding $3.8 trillion. We need to eliminate entire agencies, departments and missions. None of these think tanks do that."
Of course most Americans aren't libertarians, and so don't support that. There's very little support for getting rid of things like SS, Medicare etc.
Politics being the art of the possible, I'll settle for a balanced budget.
"This year, our government will spend an astounding $3.8 trillion. We need to eliminate entire agencies, departments and missions."
To balance the budget.
How about eliminating government programs that the recipients didn't pay into. Like all welfare.
There does need to be SS and Medicare reform.
Alright, here's my plan:
Eliminate the following departments:
Agriculture
Education
Energy
Health and Human Services
Homeland Security (the 1% we actually need can go to DoD of DoS)
Housing and Urban Development
Interior
Labor
Transportation
Veterans Affairs
The remaining departments (Commerce, Defense, Justice, State, and Treasury) would take extensive cuts. The majority of regulation and the drug war end.
Spending caps on remaining departments *:
Commerce: $8 billion
Defense: $500 billion
Justice: $20 billion
State: $15 billion
Treasury: $18 billion
Most independent government agencies will take cuts. All government-owned corporations will be sold.
Most Executive Office agencies will be discontinued.
Social Security age raised immediately to 68, raised by one year every five years. Benefits decrease for new applicants by 1% each years. Everyone may opt out (and pay no furthur taxes if not currently a beneficiary), or receive payments equal to but not greater than the amount they paid in.
Medicare and Medicaid become voucher programs. Greatly reduced regulation for opening hospitals will reduce the price of medical care. Eventually, these programs can be discontinued. 2075 will be the absolute latest they and social security can operate.
Pell grants (now administered by state department) will become loans, with 1% interest past being paid off.
Supermajority (4/5 vote) to raise debt ceiling, or to pass an unbalanced budget.
Oops.
*These are guessimates based on 2009 and 2010 budgets. Figures refer to 2009 dollars.
I am all for it. But add flat of 10% with 4/5 vote to raise. If the tax revenue does not cover budget...CUT THE FUCKING BUDGET!!!!
How can I turn that into legalese?
incidere fornicare quantum
"Is it too late to get America off the road to bankruptcy?"
Yes.
Now now, it isn't all bad, sure America is going bankrupt, but you know what other power went bankrupt and did fine? Rome. We'll go bankrupt, a bunch of politicians and generals will duke it out, and pretty soon we will all be wearing togas and watching Europeans fight in the MMA to the death. I mean, it will *only* cost us our republic and freedom. But hey, according to the progressives that stuff is over rated anyways,
This is the least amount of comments I've ever seen on a Stossel thread. Where's Old Mexican, Tony and MNG?
Old Mexican hasn't been around for some time. Maybe he was really old.
And Now...The Man Who Batters Convenience Store Chicken.....John Stossel.
America's budget idle.
Gillespie gets paid to write about it, but not think about it?
The jacket gets paid to wear him.
You have to go to the street? Prostitution?
oldest profession....just sayin
but is it recession proof?
Nunzio is a walking stereotype.
Flammable cops.
Creates jobs at RIOT gear factories.
I didn't know that guy on the right was a libertarian.
The liberal is thrilled to be here.
Semantics is a bitch
There is no - I repeat NO - conservative on this panel.
Methy is an entitlement creep. There, I said it.
I am entitled to be creepy. Nobody finances my creepiness though.
Bob won't need Viagra because he can't get a woman.
What do you mean "We will put people to work?" You got a state ownership of the means of production in your pocket?
Well he sure ain't glad to see you.
I want $200,000 for my budget.
WE CARE A LOT.....
We stabilize health care costs by using talking points.
That one economist? Marx.
Can I boo democracy too or is that bad?
Audience of sheep!
baaaah
I can fix the budget in three words Waste. Fraud. Abuse.
Obviously Hasbeen's not the Simon Cowell of the panel.
Settle this with a pillow fight.
Blondie is the Cowell. Dave is the Paula.
Beckel, you couldn't fit in a phone booth yourself.
Raising taxes? I didn't see that coming.
stoss just harshed the audience's booing mellow
Where is Gillespie? As the Ryan Seacrest of the show, he needs to be on hand.
There's nothing wrong with sacrificing other people's money without the promised return? Sounds like spending other peoples money is a virtue in itself. All I have to say to that is BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I just started watching. This is the worst episode of Shark Tank I've ever seen. But I'd invest in that blond girl... if you catch my drift.
Literally, you'll catch my drift, which is what I call my case of herpes.
Someone just lost weight recently... or doesn't know how to buy a proper-fitting shirt.
A biege suit before Memorial Day? How gauche.
Just more big-coffee talk
And throwing people in jail if they don't buy you all three cups
Granny, get that cat food cookbook ready.
I hate to say it, but AEI brought the more engaging speaker.
Is Demos available to negotiate with my credit card company?
Brought up in Europe? Yuck.
THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DETERMINE MY NEED? I. Don't. THINK. So.
Cut the military? Why not just start investing in Rand Paul's arm-the-terrorists charity?
y'ever smelled napalm in the morning? The best part of waking up
"The first problem with his plan is that it's retarded..."
Ronald Bailey disclosure time!
It's the SAVINGS STUPID!!
Saving is good for my matress. It props up my lumbar region.
Yeah, like Louisiana and Mississippi is watching Fox Business.
You can take Liberal out of Fox News but you can't take the hatred of Harry Reid out of the Liberal
Wow that grumpybear Liberal dude just accidentally made some sense.
Fixing your old furniture isn't helping the economy.
Dems and Reps working together to fuck you in the ass.
Bipartisanship got us into the mess we're if we're talking big picture.
Defense cuts? Well, let's just open the door to the Commies and Nazis.
Will that plan pay for my private death panel coverage?
We would pass a law to make sure no one changes their behavior.
Ok, just spitballing here.. a law that requires no one to change their behavior after the Bush tax cuts are repealed.
That's a dumb idea.
Bring back Clinton and Newt, too?
Hey audience, quit confusing the Daily Show writers by cheering for cutting military spending.
Increase the estate tax then kill the rich people
They collapse because of butt secks.
The Truth is on tv, I've just been warned about the Rise Of China
How dare you sell me something I need!
At least Big Oil, by definition, lubes us up first.
Grumpy bear Liberal figured he should go back to saying idiotic stuff
Let's bring back MC Hammer and Pontiac while we're at it?
"The last time those streets got wet, it rained like crazy"
+1
REGULATORS! Mount up!
Nate Dawg works for the SEC?
These better not be anchor non-profits.
My budget plan? Wholesale bankruptcy. A complete and total do-over. You owe nothing, you own nothing.
GIVE HIM HIS ROSE!
Towelheads EVERYWHERE.
Defense spending is like my HD tv, no one wants to spend money on it but I HAVE TO HAVE IT
Now you have to spend money on HD sunglasses too
Defense contractors are people, too.
GPS chips in everyone's wallet.
Fairness above all!
An iron cap? What if we have to send astronauts up to a meteor to blow it up unexpectedly?
Edit alert!
Quit whining about not getting enough love grumpy bear.
The importance of balancing the budget is a myth, therefore using the law of binary choices, the level of debt is never a problem.
we all eat trace amounts of poop don't we? and it doesn't hurt us does it? Why can't you eat a shit sandwich?
You should stop eating at Taco Bell.
Even Carrot Top is better with props
So Gillespie just breezed in for a cameo at the beginning and that's supposed to be acceptable to us?
People in Greece douse themselves in grease before fire fights. What a bunch of morons.
Give him a break!
These aren't even puns, John!
Stossel's mustache trimmer is a prop now.
Stossel made huge cuts in subtlety
You want to cut farm subsidies? Do you really want John Mellencamp to go back to writing music? Think, damnit!
Take one for the team
Liberals sit on the outside of the rows to escape the inevitable tea party violence more easily.
Vote for Demos by mooning Stossel.
I think I'm going to duck out of here before the Judge starts talking to me in ALL CAPS.
....THAT GOVERNMENT IS BEST WHICH GOVERNS LEAST!!!!
My wife says he sounds like a cat caught in a garbage disposal.
I'm not sure what was more annoying, all the stupid booing or the whiney liberals complaining about not getting enough love. Just another way liberals are like the worst girlfriends you ever had.
At least FoE was here to raise the comment total.
And my funnier sockpuppets.
I would say "I'm not a sockpuppet" but that's totally something a sockpuppeteer would make his sockpuppet say so... get your hand out of my butt pervy ventriloquist!
Why didn't they ask Cato to do a budget? At least Stossel should have asked them.
Why did the audience clap for the Demos guy who said we should cut defense spending, and then the vast majority of them voted for the Heritage plan, which cuts NO defense spending?
The Heritage budget cannot be taken seriously.
I'm surprised this didn't come up until two comments ago, but seriously, it sucks that they didn't ask CATO. They'll actually HELP US. Although, realistically, they probably wouldn't have won the award. If people voted for the politicians we have now, then they probably wouldn't vote for something smart.
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None of them make any cuts to foreign aid or U.N. dues? Utter nonsense. I'd rather see farmers getting my tax dollars for not growing peas than give it to the moochers and leeches overseas and at the U.N.
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