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Reason on Mitch Daniels, Who Is One Step Closer to Running for President And Who Has Great Taste in Books

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That Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels has good taste in books is news once again thanks to a republished interview Daniels did last year with Jonathan Rauch of FiveBooks, in which the pocket-sized chief executive shared (what Brian Doherty called) his "hankering for Hayek, fetish for Friedman, and passion for Postrel."

Of The Future and its Enemies by Virginia Postrel (a former editor in chief of this publication), Daniels said,

I've cited [Postrel] many times in explaining to people who have looked at our approach to governance here in our little two per cent of America. They struggle to put a label on us because we look a little different and we don't throw around the terms that are usually used in politics. I sometimes use her nomenclature – dynamism versus stasism. And you're right, despite what I just said, there are plenty of people who we would describe as conservatives these days who are very uncomfortable with the risks and the uncertainties that come with an embrace of competition and change and simple rules. I think in general the Olson-like structures that we have to guard against in our country today tend to be those that favour the large interventionist state we built. I'm including here, by the way, the incumbent businesses who love the way in which it suppresses competition and puts up barriers to entry.

Daniels also gave two thumbs up to Milton Friedman's Free to Choose, which "expressed best to me the moral – I hate to say superiority – but the moral underpinnings of free economics, if one starts from the premise that the highest value is the autonomy and dignity and freedom of the individual." Perhaps this is where Daniels, who continues to "flirt" with a White House run, gets off talking about a "truce" on social issues: He believes in "autonomy and dignity and freedom of the individual." Then again, Daniels has declined to extend that truce to the drug war, in which he was very briefly a participant, but now cheerleads for the forces of law, order, and senseless prohibition.

Here's Reason on Mitch: 

-Brian Doherty on a "a politician who likes good books."

– Jacob Sullum on how "the Indiana governor's escape from prison taught him the importance of being tough on drug users."

– Peter Suderman on Daniels' plans for de-fanging Obamacare.

– Katherine Mangu-Ward on what happened after Daniels "conceded the inevitability of death."

– Nick Gillespie on the NYT's fetishization of Daniels.

– A review of the reviews of Daniels. 

– Gillespie on Daniels' "reading of equality before God as a pretext for political liberation."

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  1. Remember Gov. Schwarzenegger? He read the right books, too.

    1. Huge disapointment

      1. Somebody should’ve played that introduction for the governor.

        1. Leave Arnold alone. He’s free to choose what he believes in!!1!!1

  2. Most of what I’ve talked about so far, and much of what I will, is strongly supported by the Obama administration,” the Republican governor of Indiana told the standing-room-only crowd at the American Enterprise Institute. “I salute the president, Secretary [Arne] Duncan. They are right about these things.”

    Off-message alert! One of the right-minded thinkers in the room rose to give Daniels a second chance to criticize Obama. The governor declined. “I really do want to salute and commend ? and I’ve done it over and over ? the president, Secretary Duncan, for a lot of leadership in this area,” he affirmed. “There is a federal role” in education, he argued. “I believe in national standards.”

    http://caffeinatedthoughts.com…..-education

    Fuck Daniels. He is an establishment asshole who will sell the country down the river in the name of being liked by the New York Times and being a “statesman”. I do not get the Reason love for this guy. Can you do me a favor and be as hard on Daniels as you are on Palin?

  3. What’s a “book”?

    1. Things you get movie titles from, of course.

      1. Oh, a comic!

        1. Ever seen I, Robot? The title was all that came from the book.

          1. Well, that and the robots.

            1. Note the glaring presence of the word “robot” in the title.

          2. No.

            PL, are you what they call a “titular head”?

            1. I’m actually the Queen of England. I get rather bored waving at the common folk all of the time.

              1. I’m with you on that, sister.

                1. Kneel before Liz.

                  1. As John Cleese once said, one significant difference between the U.S. and England is that when you meet the leader of England, you only have to get down on one knee.

                    1. Very nice. Would you like a knighthood? That’s all we have the power to confer to our friends.

      2. No, idiot. We get movie titles from 80’s cartoons. Just wait until I get the rights for Thundercats and make all of you regret your childhood.

        1. The one person on Earth I’m sure can’t call me an idiot is Michael Bay.

          1. Max/Edward/Lefititititi/Chad/etc.?
            Or do we not really count them (him) as people (person)?

          2. I’ve been wondering who this “Michael Bay” fellow is, so I googled him. You and Episiarch have been busy.

            “Michael Bay is” returns the following suggestions:

            awesome
            the antichrist
            a jerk
            racist
            gay
            the devil
            an idiot
            a douche
            a hack
            the worst director ever

            1. No, we can’t be credited. Michael Bay has accomplished all of that on his own. Even the “awesome”–that comes from him hiring a team of people to keep using that word in searches with his name.

  4. Most of what I’ve talked about so far, and much of what I will, is strongly supported by the Obama administration,” the Republican governor of Indiana told the standing-room-only crowd at the American Enterprise Institute. “I salute the president, Secretary [Arne] Duncan. They are right about these things.”

    Off-message alert! One of the right-minded thinkers in the room rose to give Daniels a second chance to criticize Obama. The governor declined. “I really do want to salute and commend ? and I’ve done it over and over ? the president, Secretary Duncan, for a lot of leadership in this area,” he affirmed. “There is a federal role” in education, he argued. “I believe in national standards.”

    Fuck Daniels. He is an establishment asshole who would sell the country down the river to the Dems in the name of being liked by the New York Times and being considered a “Statesman”. I don’t get the love he gets on Reason.

    Can you do me a favor Reason? Be as hard on Daniels as you are on Palin.

    And get a new spam filter you jackwagons. The blog that that quote is from gets filtered. But anonbot posts thirty times a day.

    1. It’s kinda crazy when you think about it.

      http://www.goanonymous.tc.de

      1. Sorry, John. I couldn’t resist the anonbot parody.

        1. Hey, quit spoofing me and read a good book Dude

          http://www.goanonymous.tc.de

          1. If you really look at it, I can do this shit all day

            http://www.youcantfuckingseeme.tc.de

        2. don’t be sorry, that is fucking awesome. It is too bad it is a spoof. It would have been perfect.

      2. The real anonbot would’ve used the wrong “its.”

    2. So you’d vote Palin if she ran over all other options?

      1. Frankly I would consider voting for any politician if they got a big ass truck and started running over the other options. Sadly, that is unlikly to happen. But the thought of Palin or anyone else for that matter in a cement truck running down Gingrich, Romeny, Daniels, and Stantorum is a pretty damned pleasent one.

        1. Out of Palin, Gingrich, Romney and Santorum I would pretty much have to go with Palin also.

          {Shudder}

          I don’t know enough about Daniels.

          1. Oh wait, I was wrong.

            I just checked out the links above. I forgot that Daniels was the college pot dealer who now wants all pot dealers dead.

            Silly me.

            So I guess even with Daniels added I would still have to go with Palin.

            Damn, bitches. Talk about a weak field.

            1. Yeah. I forgot about that. I am telling you. Daniels makes my flesh crawl in much the same way Huckabee does. Huckabee is a pro life liberal with a bible. Daniels is a deficit hawk liberal with a calculator.

              1. Yeah, so the fact that Huckabee was at the top of the heap should tell you something about the GOP.

            2. Exactly, wanting to jack up the War On Drugs makes Daniels DOA to me.

          2. Out of Palin, Gingrich, Romney and Santorum I would pretty much have to go with Palin also eat a gun.

            1. Out of those four I also would pretty much have to go with TRIG Palin.

              1. Love how you make that comment here but if you used my kid for a punchline to my face (or Trig’s father’s face) I’d (or he’d) kick your teeth in.

                The articles on reason are why I come here. But the nauseating comments afterwards make me question my decision every time.

                Maybe if ‘libertarians’ would stop acting like everyone they detest in the political arena people would take them seriously. But unfortunately every single comment section on this site is filled with disgusting comments and whining about not getting to smoke pot.

                I really believe in liberty and freedom of speech, but you guys need to grow out of your teens if you ever want to have elected officials who represent you.

    3. I don’t get the love he gets on Reason.

      Well, it ain’t like it was hard for me to fool them either

      1. We Reasonistas have dispelled this vicious rumor numerous times, rectal. Pull your head out of your ass.

        1. But that’s the only action I get.

          1. No, the only action you get is pretending to be me.

  5. Indiana Gov.Mitch Daniels,a potential Republican presidential candidate credits his success in government to the business skills he learned as Eli Lilly Senior Vice President for Corporate Strategy and Policy.
    The Eli Lilly *Viva Zyprexa” scam occurred 1996-2003 so Mitch Daniels was 4 years into the thick of it,reaped $21 million from Lilly stocks.

    Eli Lilly’s #1 cash cow Zyprexa drug sale $40 billion dollars so far,has a ten times greater risk of causing type 2 diabetes over the non-user of Zyprexa. So,here we have a conflict of interest that this same company also is a big profiteer of diabetes treatment.
    FIVE at FIVE
    The Zyprexa antipsychotic drug,whose side effects can include weight gain and diabetes, was sold for children in foster care, people who have trouble sleeping, elderly in nursing homes.
    Five at Five was the Zyprexa sales rep slogan, meaning 5mg dispensed at 5pm would keep patients quiet.
    It’s as addictive as tobacco,because withdrawal is accompanied by severe insomnia for 6 weeks.
    — Daniel Haszard Zyprexa Whistle-blower

    1. You keep posting this, and yet no one cares. Go peddle victimology somewhere else.

    2. First of all, it’s “diabeetus.”

      If you’re gonna get all sciency in hear, at least get your spelling rite.

      1. It is your not you’re!

  6. Ronald Reagan read Hayek, but still cranked up federal spending and debt to new records as president.

  7. “Why Zombie Ants Infected by Mind-Controlling Fungus Always Kill Themselves at High Noon”–headline, Daily Mail (London), May 13

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci…..-noon.html

    1. Has there been a movie made with such a fungus adapted to humans? Cuz that would be awesome… unless M Night Shayamalan decided to touch it and ruin it.

      1. Has there been a movie made with such a fungus adapted to humans?

        Wouldn’t this apply to any film made by Michael Moore?

      2. “Meteor shit!”

      3. Harry Harrison wrote a book about it. I don’t know if it’s a movie.

    2. Act natural and switch to a garlic shampoo.

  8. The Friedman and Hayek books mean nothing, as they are well known bait names for fiscal conservatives. The Postrel shout out is far more impressive, as The Future and Its Enemies was one of the best books of the 1990s.

  9. In all seriousness, who cares. Just because he read the books doesn’t mean he believes what they say much less has the courage of conviction to overcome the kind of abuse necessary to make those ideas a reality. This post is nothing but fake intellectual fan boy bullshit. “Oh he reads all the same books I do. He must be cool.” Whatever.

    1. John, this is baffling to me. Who would you rather have as the nominee? I figured you would be all over Daniels.

      1. Honestly. Right now I dont’ like any of them. I had hopes for the Hermanator. But I found out that he voted for TARP. So so much for him. I would be happy with Daniels because I don’t believe his peacenik talk about terrorism anymore than I believed Obama and he is right about things domestically. But he is a boring candidate.

        My problem with Daniels is that he was head of the OMB under Bush. You will never convince me he is anything but a bean counter. He strikes me as a guy who would strike some huge compromise with the Dems where he raised taxes sky high and condemed us to socialist hell in return for fairly meaningless spending cuts. I will admit some of it is more gut feeling than anything. But I look at him and I think “sell out”. And then his pontifications on education confirm that.

        I am very pesimistic. I think we might be doomed. The Republicans are going to win in 2012. Obama is not going to get re-elected with this economy. But if they put up some establishment sell out who doesn’t fundementally change the government, people are going to completely disengage from peaceful politics. The Tea Parties were a one time “hey this is your last chance political class straighten up”. The next time people are going to come back as a mob and it is going to be ugly.

        1. John translated = “there is no evangelical/SoCon with a decent chance to win yet”.

          1. Run Michele Run!

            Has John got something against Bachmann?

          2. I am an evangelical, that is why I hate Huckabee. Shrike you are without doubt the dumbest most tiresome person who posts on here. You are so fucking stupid you can’t even understand the posts. At least Tony and Max kind of understand what is going on.

        2. He voted for TARP? Where was that, the Imaginary Senate?

          1. I think John meant to say that he once voted for Harp, as a good drink to have with his pizzas.

          2. John got it close enough.

            I had no idea who Herman Cain was before two weeks ago, and I really had no idea that there were people outside of the NYT who were this stupid.

            1. Well this might be interesting to read-*BARF ALERT

              1. BARF ALERT

                Not another deep dish pizza thread…

        3. I have to give it to John I was once happy about Daniels a while back and thought John was just being crotchety but he totally called especially wrt the WoD.

          I would be happy with Daniels because I don’t believe his peacenik talk about terrorism

          Do you mean Johnson here? If so, I completely agree with you.

    2. I think part of the love for this guy on Reason is that he has called “truce” on social issues. He has taken a step in the right direction from separating himself from the rest of the GOP field. Maybe if more GOP potentials did that, they’d get more love around here.

      Unfortunately, this statement is going to lose him a lot of votes in the primaries.

      I’m a Ron Paul guy, but if Daniels somehow gets the nomination, I’ll vote for him over Obama.

      1. I would vote for the Devil over Obama. But honestly, a sell out Republican might be worse for the country than four more years of Obama.

        1. I like what we have – a GOP House and Dem Senate and Executive.

          I suspect I am one of millions in the neutral zone who feel like this.

          1. I generally agree with the sentiment that a divided gov’t is best, although I’d prefer it a genuine division, with both houses of congress controlled by the party opposite the POTUS, i.e. the mid-late 90’s.

            That said, I’d prefer the enlightened despotism of the URKOBOLD to even that scenario.

            1. ENLIGHTENED MAY NOT BE THE WORD YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

          2. What we have is three wars that no one seems interested in winning, a trillion and a half dollar deficit, real unemployment over 15%, inflation, and an economy that looks like it is going into a double dip recession.

            Yeah things are great. And yeah shreak, you are just a ok with a Republican Congress and a Dem exectutive. You think it is ideal. That is why you were so gung ho for the Republican Congressional campaigns last year.

            Jesus, I know you are fucking retarded. But can you please stop assuming everyone else is and will believe anything you say no matter how fucking stupid.

            1. You’re a full time liar, John.

              Obama inherited the deficit, UE, and other disorders from Bushy-boy and you know it.

              Reason knows it.

              The market is pricing in a big recovery — in 2012!

              Guess you aborto-freaks won’t get your anti-privacy SCOTUS boy on line after all.

              1. Obama inherited *A* deficit – and then proceeded to embiggen it something like five fold.

                So don’t try to peddle that bullshit here. Yeah, he “inherited” a defecit from GWB. But what did he to about that deficit? He fucking created the most massive increase in the federal deficit in history.

                1. Shreek is nothing if not entertaining. He calls me a liar and then proceeds to lie about Obama inheriting the entire deficit from Bush.

                2. you’re a fucking liar.

                  $1.3 trillion to $1.5 trillion is not “five-fold”.

                  http://www.politifact.com/trut…..istration/

              2. The market is pricing in a big recovery — in 2012!

                Yeah the market is rising in price. It is called inflation you fucking retard. And Obama has been in office for two years. The sell by date of the “it is Bush’s fault” has long since passed. My God you are fucking stupid.

              3. Obama inherited the deficit, UE, and other disorders from Bushy-boy and you know it.

                Wow, shrike. For someone so allegedly smart with finances and numbers, you sure seem to not know even the basics.

          3. I like what we have – a GOP House and Dem Senate and Executive.

            I suspect I am one of millions in the neutral zone who feel like this.

            The poblem with this is that we still have a government which meets regularly. If we could crack that nut, we’d be even better off.

        2. I think “sell out Republican” is a whole new wing of the GOP now with Newt, Romney and Huckabee all sounding like they could be Obama’s running mate. Daniels looks a lot better by comparison, but I’d still like to see Gary Johnson work his way up the weak field of fallen candidates.

        3. a sell out Republican might be worse for the country than four more years of Obama.

          Two words to think about, John:

          Judicial appointments.

          1. True enough.

          2. If Daniels is a drug hawk, then his judicial appointments will be an abomination to civil liberties.

            On a linear scale, he’s a lot closer to Bush than he is to Paul.

          3. Daniels appointed the Indiana Supreme Court Justice who overturned the Magna Carta

            Bonus for shriek, it’s a Bircher link.

  10. This is hilarious.

    Huck, Trump, Pence, Thune etc., all decide not to run while the “true conservatives” eat up their shitty third tier candidates.

    Daniels was called a “beta cuckold” by some GOP blogger today who is obviously trying to preempt his run to clear space for one of the other weak sisters (T-Paw or Cain? Whatever.)

    Gingrich was savaged after supporting mandates and dumping on Paul Ryan. If Sista Sarah gets in she will be filleted by this crowd.

    Ruby Guiliani is thinking about jumping in – Dead Thompson next?

    Its already more entertainment than I thought it would be.

    1. Would that be Vox Day’s column that took Daniels to task for his failure to repudiate the repugnant decision of the Indiana Supreme Court, essentially declaring that the 4th Amendment doesn’t really mean anything?

      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f…..eId=299113

      And all you got out of that was the “beta cuckold” line?

      1. It is. Good find.

        I don’t take Daniels seriously so I just remember good hook lines.

  11. Mitch Daniels: Hypothetically, I’d Like Condi Rice as My VP

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/…..61006.html

    So, this whole Mitch-Daniels-is-a-Republican-Libertarians-Can-Luv meme is officially over now, right?

  12. I dunno. I think a Condi v. Biden VP debate would be one for the ages.

    1. In the fact that she would beat him like a rented mule… yes. Other than that, I have my disagreements with Condi Rice, but she would murder him. I can’t see where Joe Biden would look like anything but a tool. Unless she did her Admiral Stockdale impression. (Much as I admire a true stoic, he did not exactly garner fans)

  13. Maybe I am a starry-eyed dreamer, but I am hoping that Johnson will rise up and be noticed.

  14. A warning to all libertarians who might are being swayed into supporting Daniels because he claims to be learned in the works of Hayek; Ronald Reagan claimed to have been a classical liberal in the same vein as Bastiat and also said that he read Mises on his down time. He then almost tripled the deficit and shut down the possibility of going on a gold standard.

  15. Daniels axed Planned Parenthood. Anyone will beat Obama. Give him a chance.

  16. Yeah and Arnold the Governator liked Milton Friedman too and we see how great that went. Enjoying good books does not mean he will be a good candidate.

  17. Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, a potential Republican presidential candidate credits his success in government to the business skills he learned as Eli Lilly Senior Vice President for Corporate Strategy and Policy.
    The Eli Lilly *Viva Zyprexa” scam occurred 1996-2003 so Mitch Daniels was 4 years into the thick of it,reaped $21 million from Lilly stocks.
    Eli Lilly’s #1 cash cow Zyprexa drug sale $40 billion dollars so far,has a ten times greater risk of causing type 2 diabetes over the non-user of Zyprexa. So,here we have a conflict of interest that this same company also is a big profiteer of diabetes treatment.
    FIVE at FIVE
    The Zyprexa antipsychotic drug,whose side effects can include weight gain and diabetes, was sold for “children in foster care, people who have trouble sleeping, elderly in nursing homes.”
    Five at Five was the Zyprexa sales rep slogan, meaning 5mg dispensed at 5pm would keep patients quiet.
    It’s as addictive as tobacco,because withdrawal is accompanied by severe insomnia for 6 weeks.
    — Daniel Haszard

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