Posturing Against Pornography
The government should stop trying to censor the Internet.
We all know that pornography is offensive and destructive, so we can guess that wherever X-rated fare gains popularity, social decay will follow. It may come as a surprise, then, to learn which state has the highest rate of online subscriptions to adult websites. Not New York or California, but Utah. Yes, Utah.
Some members of Congress are up in arms at the news that the Justice Department has dismantled a Bush-era Obscenity Prosecution Task Force to go after hard-core material on the Internet. No fewer than 42 senators, most of them Republicans, have written Attorney General Eric Holder to urge tougher enforcement of obscenity laws.
Their argument is that pornography causes sexual violence, molestation of children, sex trafficking, and other maladies. "This material harms individuals, families and communities and the problems are only getting worse," wrote the group, led by Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of—you guessed it—Utah. You will wait in vain to hear of other senators joining together to say this is all nonsense, though that happens to be the case.
The past two decades have been to electronic erotica what Thanksgiving is to gluttony. Never in history have more people had easier access to sexually explicit material in such vast abundance and such low cost. More than one out of every three Americans with Internet access regularly visits porn sites.
By the logic of the puritans, we should be coping with an avalanche of collateral damage. But we're not.
Sexual violence? Rape has dropped by 86 percent in the United States since 1991. Harm to families? Divorce rates are down 25 percent during the same period.
As for sex trafficking, no one really knows how much goes on, or whether it's rising or falling. But when the Bush administration mounted a crackdown on the problem, The Washington Post reported in 2007, it found only "1,362 victims of human trafficking brought into the United States since 2000, nowhere near the 50,000 a year the government had estimated."
Numerous studies have failed to prove that viewing prurient pictures has any deleterious consequences to individuals. Just because the occasional rapist or child molester blames his crimes on skin flicks doesn't make it true.
Critics claim that pornography can take over some people's lives, but so can fantasy baseball. Porn addiction is not a recognized psychiatric disorder. And what if it were? Alcoholism is a form of addiction, but we don't ban wine.
Based on the evidence, it would be easier to make the case that adult entertainment is beneficial than that it's harmful. Harvard economist Benjamin Edelman even found that in places where porn subscriptions are most popular, you find more people "donating blood, engaging in volunteer activities or participating in community projects."
The absence of any visible damage caused by adult sites won't deter the crusading senators, whose true objection to sexual fare is not that it's harmful but that it's sexual. Moral disapproval, however, is no more grounds for prosecuting obscenity than it is for banning Charlie Sheen from TV.
What must particularly annoy Hatch and Co. is that most Americans see no need to censor websites that feature naked bodies. Nor is it easy to understand why the constitutional guarantee of free expression should exclude depictions of erotic activity.
The Supreme Court, it's true, has yet to abandon its position that obscenity has no First Amendment protection. But given the evolution of sexual standards in America, there's not a lot that clearly qualifies as obscene anymore, which makes prosecutions difficult.
In any case, what business is it of Hatch or Holder what adults choose to view on their home computers? If we can tolerate racist literature, slasher videos, and the Westboro Baptist Church, we can put up with Jenna Jameson at her most indiscreet.
Besides, it's not like we have a choice. The nature of the Internet makes it next to impossible to keep out porn, short of draconian government controls. U.S.-based suppliers may be prosecuted, but there are plenty of other countries where smut peddlers can set up shop and stream live shower cams all night long.
The government could squander both money and personal freedom by trying to stamp out pornography. Or it could try the policy attributed to Oscar Wilde: "I have no objection to anyone's sex life as long as they don't practice it in the street and frighten the horses." That would work fine, even in Utah.
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Well, if it's a gummint job, you can get disability for going blind and getting carpal tunnel syndrome.
Plus hairy palms.
Or just retire at 30 with full pension and benefits.
and then return to do the same job as a contractor for 150% pay.
Porn...keeping men's balls drained enough in their own homes, so they don't actively look for replacements for their fat wives since...what... 1920? 1850? The dawn of time?
FCS, the boys get lobster girl and we get WTF his name is?
More proof Libertarians hate women
you shut your whore mouth when men are talking
I so will spank your ass hard after I figure out which little boy you are.
read it as "spank your ass rather hard".
I don't get it. George Constanza is a beautiful man.
It's that little thing he does at the end.
It's the timeless art of seduction.
He's me!
Maybe Utahans just haven't figured out how to get it for free?
Shaddup!!! Someone has to pay for this shit, or else they might not make anymore. Might as well be the Mormons (They worship John Travolta right?), because it sure as hell ain't gonna be me.
Advertising could pay for it. Naughty toy shops could advertise on porn sites. Problem solved.
Some sort of penance maybe?
"Well, free porn would send me straight to hell, but since I'm paying for it, that's only a few centuries of purgatory, so it's cool."
Drax also has a point though, so I'mma shutup now, before I derail this gravy train.
So not only can Limewire load my computer down with viruses and spyware, but it's also a one-way ticket straight to hell? Well that seals it for me - paid sites only. It's the straight and narrow for me now boys, and heaven everlasting is my reward.
something about "a bag of hammers."
You watch porn on Limewire?
I think it's more like, if you're a Mormon and watching porn, might as well watch Hi-Def porn, since the penalty for sinning is the same.
Or maybe it's more like, it's DISHONEST to watch porn without paying for it.
Or something. Mormans can be kind weird and hard to figure out.
And, maybe the Utahans watching paid porn are the 1/3 or so of them that aren't LDS at all? Dunno.
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yeah I figured it was the honesty thing. I've known a few Mormons in my time and that fits the picture pretty well.
It's not like every single Utahan is Mormon.
But to get those numbers, they probably are going to need quite a few of them.
They're just conducting a long-running investigation, on behalf of God.
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Even if America managed to shut down every porn server in America, that would still leave the thousands of European and Asian porn sites that can easily be accessed.
The porn of which, importantly, makes Americans look like slightly quirky but well-adjusted individuals.
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The whole Japanese tentacle thing actually goes back more than a century.
This might not be safe for work:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife"
The Straight Dope covered the tentacle thing (safe for work):
http://www.straightdope.com/co.....tacle-porn
Well, far further back then that, really. Shunga is several centuries old.
I'm a little down on the The Straight Dope article, which brushes off the question by focusing on the "mere cultural difference" angle and ignores that the male desire (trust me, women here are aware of and creeped out by it) to see depictions of rape is far higher in Japan than most Western countries, which goes beyond the bounds of "kinkiness." I don't like cultural relativism here; the Japanese acceptance of the unwilling female is a moral deficiency.
People should be free to consume whatever porn they like, but it's nonetheless a reflection of their own attitudes toward sex. IMHO, mainstream pornography from the US demonstrates a much healthier attitude than, say, Japan or Russia or Germany.
I agree completely :). And for the record, I read Cecil more for his droll sense of humor than for any info he digs up.
I've never paid for Golden Girls porn in my life.
and its worth every dime
Rule #34
Somebody should bring up the one sure effect of censoring porn; if we make sexual images illegal, foolish young women will still pose for them (young people are not going to magically stop having money problems, or stop looking for 'easy' ways out of them) but they will no longer have ANY legal protections.
Maybe the Puritans are only talking about making laws about the internet now, but we all know they don't intend to stop there. We can argue that the harm they claim porn does is unproven all we like, and that argument of proof vs emotion can go on forever. But there is one group that is obviously harmed by porn, and that is the little airheads who pose for it (I'll grant a small number of hard headed young women going in with their eyes open. Absent serious proof to the contrary, I'll also assume they are in the minority). We need to keep in mind, and keep in the public's minds, that driving porn underground will make that harm worse. As matters stand models have legal contracts, and can go to court if they feel their images are being used in ways they did not anticipate or receive compensation for. Drive porn underground and that will cease to be the case. As matters stand images of legal children are legally different from images of legal adults, and the legal porn industry has strong reasons to avoid dealing in the former. Drive porn underground, and that reason gets weaker. Lots weaker.
Perhaps those of us who oppose censorship should offer a counter proposal; strengthen the laws about modeling contracts to make it easier for young women with money troubles and foresight to limit the uses their pornographic posing can be put to. I don't know how that would work, but it's something we might want to think about.
I wrote about the proposal in France to make paying for sex illegal-twinning the consequences of prohibiting porn http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_2245238
Porn stars are obviously harmed by porn? Where is the evidence of that? Women in porn often make extremely comfortable livings and, based on interviews I've seen with these women, tend to be quite happy in the profession they've chosen. Given that, who are you to say that they're airheads or have found an easy way out? They're good at what they do and have found a way to make a living at it.
Here's the thing. People like to fuck. People like to watch other people fuck. There is a demand for pornography. There is a group of people willing to supply it. What's the problem?
42 of those goddamn secret Muslims in the Senate. Sickening. How do they get away with it?
They got everyone too busy trying to stop their mosque on ground zero...
Sleight of hand is among the many dangerous weapons of the Congressional Secret Muslim.
Our *two* chief weapons are sleight of hand and fear ... and surprise.
Our *three* chief weapons are sleight of hand, fear, surprise ... and ruthless efficiency.
Our *four* chief weapons are sleight of hand, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency ... and almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.
Maybe we should start over again...
did this task force investigate kiddie-porn?...which should continue
Holder said those would continue.
I don't know...it seems to me that online porn is at least as dangerous as online poker. Hatch is simply calling on the Obama to be a consistent nanny.
Gentleman what are we to do about about America's aging porn infrastructure?
Easy, harvest another crop of publically(pubically?)-"educated" whores, recycle the "sophomore" generation as MILFs, the "junior" as GILFs, and the "senior" generation for necrophilia films produced in the darkest corners of New Jersey.
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Is this like the super anti-gay people we find in a public bathroom trolling for sex or caught in an airport with a "rent-a-boy"?
Seems like these politicians need to get their house in order and let us worry about ourselves
Hey!
"And what if it were? Alcoholism is a form of addiction, but we don't ban wine."
We absolutely blame wine and all other forms of booze. That's why MADD has such a stranglehold on our driving laws in spite of evidence that drinking & driving is no more dangerous than speeding.
Source, please.
Porn is sex with someone you want, I consider it a wonderful public service.
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Dude, porn isn't the same sex. Those POV videos are lying to you.
So what? The lie looks convincing and it's a lot more entertaining than sleeping with someone ugly.
You can always turn out the lights
FEMINISTS AND PORN:
When challenged for any studies supporting the claim that feminist censorship would stop rape, Susan Brownmiller responded: "The statistics will come. We supply the ideology; it's for other people to come up with the statistics." All right, so let's move from the issue of women's safety to that of women's health, where feminist laetrile peddlers are claiming that their product will stop breast cancer. When pressed for any kind of proof, a representative releases this: "The statistics will come. We supply the ideology; it's for other people to come up with the statistics." Moving back to the original context, is Brownmiller's statement any less corrupt, any less contemptible?
When Viva magazine editor Patricia Bosworth made revisions in an article submitted by Andrea Dworkin, Dworkin "threw me to the ground and practically pinned me. She physically held me there and said, 'I won't let this run until the cuts are restored.' If you know how slight I am and how big she is, you can imagine my dilemma. We reached a compromise and the piece, which was about the horrors of Chinese footbinding, ran." The horror of a physical assault of a woman in the workplace, however, didn't prevent Dworkin from going on to provide the introduction to 1992's Sexual Harassment: Women Speak Out. ("The verbal assaults and some physical assault are endemic in the environment, a given, an apparently inevitable emanation of the male spirit.")
And in 1984, a 23-year-old woman in Minneapolis, then the epicenter of the anti-pornography campaign, took gasoline and immolated herself. When confronted with the news of this horrific and pointless tragedy, Catharine MacKinnon simply responded: "Women feel very desperate about the existence of pornography. This doesn't single her out. People make choices on how [to protest it]." Unbelievable. The feminist who cries for the nonexistent victims of "snuff films" (feminism's blood libel against men) can't even conjure a tear for a young woman who actually set herself on fire in the name of MacKinnon's own movement. The feminist who wants to hold others responsible for the violence they (allegedly) inspire gives absolutely no indication that she believes herself in any way responsible for inspiring this act of violence, much less that she should be held so legally. The feminist who propagates a dehumanizing lab-rat ideology of behavior, who denies that adults can make truly free decisions regarding their own lives (such as a young woman posing for a magazine), now tells us that people can "make choices" -- such as a young woman dousing herself with gasoline. Observe how MacKinnon doesn't even seem worried that -- or particularly bothered if -- other women might make similar "choices."
Sir, this is a feminist bookstore. There isn't a humor section.
Dude, porn isn't the same sex.
[COUGH]
not the same? better, in some ways. firstoff, i dont have to cuddle, in the wetspot, & engage in mindless, err...make that caring banter. as andy dice clay said "ahhhhhhhhh...get out!"
We need to stop these porn subsidies immediately! I'm sick of seeing these rent-seeking bosoms suck off the government teat. At least 42 Senators know when to finish. Porn wants to be free anyway, not like the subsidies really affected anything.
Porn is bad. Just like drugs are bad. They're bad because they're bad. People who disagree are bad. Bad bad bad.
The joke was on them?twice. Johnson won, and Republicans won enough seats to sustain his vetoes. And he vetoed everything. In eight years in office, he vetoed 750 bills. In his second term, he came out for legalizing and regulating marijuana. He was the most libertarian governor in America, no contest.
This is as far as I can read. What's not to like? Not even a whiff of ratbagging teafuckery here.
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Fucker! Now, I'll hve that image in my bead all day. It's bad enough I've had that stupid vegetarian girl song in my head for three fucking days now. "She don't eat meat, but she sure like the bone".
Somebody shoot me now!
It is interesting that the same people who claim violent video games doesn't cause violent acts will then claim that porn videos will cause an increase in pornographic actions. More proof that all politicians are hypocrites.
It is interesting that the same people who claim violent video games doesn't cause violent acts will then claim that porn videos will cause an increase in pornographic actions.
Huh? Can you give me an example of someone who has claimed this?
Not what I've observed at all; there's usually a great deal of overlap between the anti-pornography and anti-video game crowds, in my experience. They seem to draw most of their support from the same groups- religious conservatives, hysterical soccer moms, feminists.
Cracking down on porn, internet poker, Libya, 6-yr-old girl frisked by TSA goons, DEA raids on medical-marijuana operations...
Who knew Bush would be replaced by a conservative administration?
Man, fuck Orrin Hatch. He is absolutely the worst type of everything possible in the Senate.
Porn doesn't cause rape,sexual violence,or child molestation.It is caused by smoking marijuana.
I'll update that one.
Porn doesn't cause rape,sexual violence,or child molestation.It is caused by smoking fake marijuana.
*sigh*
"Alcoholism is a form of addiction, but we don't ban wine."
Although we did...
I suspect his point is that it didn't work at all well.
"Alcoholism is a form of addiction, and banning it did not go as planned."
I like the part where government presumes it has any authority whatsoever to regulate the production or distribution of pornography. That part's really hilarious.
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