What About Porn Featuring Hot Poker Playing Action?
Politico's Josh Gerstein reports that Attorney General Eric Holder has quietly shut down the Justice Department's Obscenity Prosecution Task Force—a major reason social conservatives are unhappy with federal efforts in this area. Two weeks ago (as Radley Balko noted here), Sen Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and 41 other senators sent Holder a letter urging him to step up obscenity prosecutions. Last week Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich responded, saying "the Department has focused its limited investigative and prosecutorial resources on the most egregious cases, particularly those that facilitate child exploitation and those that involve the sexual abuse of children, including obscene depictions of child rape." That is pretty clearly a kiss-off to critics whose complaint is that the Justice Department is no longer interested in prosecuting people for pornography featuring adults and aimed at adults.
Gerstein suggests "the death knell for the [obscenity] unit may have come last July, when its prosecution of porn director and producer John Stagliano ran aground in federal court in Washington, D.C." The jury in that case did not even get to decide whether the material at issue was in fact obscene because prosecutors failed to provide sufficient evidence linking it to Stagliano, an embarrassing failure that led U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon to throw out the charges against him. Former obscenity prosecutor Patrick Trueman, now the president of Morality in Media, offers a gateway theory to justify prosecuting people like Stagliano, telling Gerstein that "significant numbers [of] adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
More on the Stagliano case here. I discuss hopes and fears about obscenity prosecutions under the Obama administration here and here.
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"Former obscenity prosecutor Patrick Trueman, now the president of Morality in Media, offers a gateway theory to justify prosecuting people like Stagliano, telling Gerstein that "significant numbers [of] adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
What a load of obvious bullshit.
If the feds can't hire better thinkers than this, it's no surprise that cases get thrown out for lack of even minimal competence.
"significant numbers of adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
[citation needed]
Patrick Trueman, now the president of Morality in Media
Come on, citation needed.
I for one am comfortable in my current level of sexual degeneracy and have pretty much always been aroused by the same thing.
I haven't heard of many people who innocently stole peeks at their dad's Playboys then one day started raping children and cutting their heads off.
I haven't heard of many people who innocently stole peeks at their dad's Playboys then one day started raping children and cutting their heads off.
The way you write this makes it sound as though you have heard of a few people who went down that road....
The way you write this makes it sound as though you have heard of a few people who went down that road....
No. If I did, I'd milk it for all the free Oprah publicity I could get.
Isn't that Sears catalog getting old?
Isn't that Sears catalog getting old?
Yes, but why mess with success?
I wonder if he thinks that they can also catch the gay that way ...
He's right. Zero is actually a very significant number in mathematics.
BRING ON THE CHILDREN!
Mr. Sollum, I just read that that there were 750 murders in LA in 1992, and now that rate is half. How can this be if the war on drugs, and crime is not working?
Because drug use hasn't declined, while violent crime has.
No, it's because they finally caught on that you have to shoot zombies in the head to kill them
Wrong, it's becuase our prisons are overflowing with shitbags that will hit you over the head and take your money. They will do it for booze, drugs, or whatever regardless of legal status because we have a large criminal underclass in this country. Want to legalize dope, OK just don't tell me it will reduce crime, it won't. Criminals are criminals because they are shitbags that don't like to work, or can't work becuase they're too stupid. Many dope users fall into the criminal underclass not because of dope being illegal, but becuase they rendered themselves unable to work and must kick old ladies in the head and run off with their purses.
Ahem,
Citation, please.
... Hobbit
You didn't mention their race...it would have been even funnier if you had.
"significant numbers [of] adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
Talk about projection. Wow.
I can't wait for his guest appearance on To Catch a Predator.
I too would be very concerned about anyone who has made crusading against porn thier life's work, and who has engineered situations where they can look at kiddie porn.
This. You definitely wouldn't want them around your kids.
IIRC, the Danish equivalent of that guy got caught fiddling kids and was on tape saying something like "I'm a fox in the hen-house."
incentives, incentives
Which is why so many good, moral married folk eventually turn to besiality for kicks.
+69
Hey, for the record, the SHEEP came on to ME.
on the face?
It's OK if the SHEEP consent.
I didn't hear them say 'no'.
This reminds me of the Warren Beatty, Leslie Caron film I saw this weekend, Promise Her Anything (1965). Beatty plays an adult film maker whose producer (Keenan Wynn) says Beatty needs to find a new angle. Beatty ends up babysitting Caron's male toddler and splices footage of the kid into his adult films. It was really, really creepy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060863/
Variety called the film "light" and "refreshing" and added, "Well-paced direction of many fine performances, generally sharp scripting and other good production elements add up to a satisfying comedy." [1]
Time Out New York said, "This dull attempt at an offbeat and sophisticated romantic comedy falls flat on its face, thanks largely to the usual sluggish direction from Arthur Hiller [and] . . . a dismal script by William Peter Blatty." [2]
From Wiki.
I knew this would happen. Just as soon as we let the women folk parade around displaying their ankles to every Tom, Dick, and Harry. Ankles ==> Molesting Children. It's a slippery slope.
Well, that's the problem, slippery slopes no longer excite me....
None of this would happen if women were all made to wear burkas.
"Patrick Trueman, now the president of Morality in Media, offers a gateway theory to justify prosecuting people like Stagliano, telling Gerstein that "significant numbers [of] adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
Sounds like projection to me.
What might that tell us about Patrick Trueman?
It does tell us one thing about you-you failed to read the previous comments 😉
"Attorney General Eric Holder has quietly shut down the Justice Department's Obscenity Prosecution Task Force"
I'm curious as to how the Hit and Runpublicans will spin this into equivalence between the two parties on this issue.
On your marks, get set...
It's good that they stopped such useless prosecutions. Of course, it's the same week that they showed that they'll start up other ones (online gambling) with a vengeance.
If these scum could just do one thing right without simultaneously doing a ton of horrible, harmful, or just "you've been bought and paid for" shit the very same week, it might be easier to praise them.
fap, fap, fap
I'm curious as to how the Hit and Runpublicans will spin this into equivalence between the two parties on this issue.
On your marks, get set...
By "equivalent" it doesn't have to mean they they're both equally commited to every policy. What we'd like to see is a broad change of tone in regards to overzealous use of the Justice Department for things that are between consentual adults. Hooray for stopping porn prosecutions! Now if you could please turn your attention to the online gambling prosecutions and the marijuana raids, that'd be great.
Yes, arguing that Democrats are as shitty as Republicans is our secret way of endorsing Republicans.
On an unrelated note, when I'm not commenting on H&R I am an ad executive for MillerCoors LLC. My new brilliant marketing campaign for Miller Lite: "Sure it tastes like piss water, but Bud Light tastes like piss water too!"
The DoJ, with its operating budget restricted by the economic disaster of Obama-supported TARP, only has the means to harass the poker industry at the moment rather than poker and porn simultaneously?
Not like the Democrats were/are chomping at the bit to repeal the oppressive 2257 bullshit you have to put up with.
spinnin'
Over in the poker thread, shutting down the obscenity prosecutions was the most frequently mentioned "name something that Obama has actually been better than Bush on."
And I agree, certainly.
Of course, that also highlights why Obama deserves blame on the poker prosecutions, though I do recognized, MNG, that you weren't one of those partisans letting him off the hook on that one.
I'm not a Republican.
But I'll be glad when all the social conservatives in the South go back to being Democrats like they were before Reagan took office.
Everybody who thinks other people's rights of expression should be a popularity contest--they belong in the same party with everybody who thinks other people's property should be subjected to a popularity contest too.
Anyway, it's real hard to imagine how the pron issue is about to make freedom loving people anywhere break for that asshole Obama if that's what you're getting at.
Shifting numbers on the balance sheet.
Less money to prosecute Buttman, more money to prosecute Bluntman.
So, NSFW to google any of these, but I figure titles should be okay as long as our bosses are dumb/don't want to admit they know what we are talking about.
So, Reason: Favorite skin flick company/actress/movie?
Gotta go with Sweetheart Video and the voluptuous Nina Hartley.
Nina is pretty awesome in the old school catagory. Dana Dearamond is not too shabby these days ...
I was a big fan of Eva Angelina before she got a boob job.
Yeah, what's that all about? She had fine perkies. Who's next, Leah Luv?
I was a big fan of Eva Angelina before she got a boob job.
This job. Fasted way to kill a hot pornstar: boob job.
Shyla Stylez. You can blah blah about hating fake boobs all you want... there will always be a seat at my dinner table for Shyla.
For the record, I'm not inherently anti-boob job. But in the case of someone like Eva Angelina, you had somebody who stood out because she wasn't your stereotypical porn star, and when she got the boob job her overall look started to conform to that of your stereotypical porn star. It's sort of the porn equivalent of Liz Phair turning into a pop diva. If I wanted pop diva, I would have never listened to Liz Phair in the first place.
I don't know if I'm anti-boob job. I'm just anti-boob job when I can tell it's a boob job. If you show me someone who has a boob job that doesn't look like a boob job, I'd probably be fine with it. Because I couldn't tell. Once I can tell, it's done.
Is there such a thing as a well done (i.e. stealth) boob job? Clothed? Sure. Nude? No way.
It's like a toupee or an asswiping...if you can tell it's been done, it wasn't done well.
Is there such a thing as a well done (i.e. stealth) boob job? Clothed? Sure. Nude? No way.
The problem is I can't prove a negative. All I can do is point to a pair and say "boob job" and even if I'm right 100% of the time, it doesn't mean that somewhere there's a boob job that I haven't seen that'd totally fake me out.
H&R should start a thread with links called "Real or Fake".
You know, to help attract the female libertarian reader. Because I hear that type of shit is rock solid.
Is there such a thing as a well done (i.e. stealth) boob job? Clothed? Sure. Nude? No way.
Nude if they're not moving fast. With the new techiniques, it can be hard to tell unless they're bouncing at a high rate. The aformentioned Eva Angelina, for example. Sure, they look a bit too perky for someone her age, but that does happen in nature ocassionally.
When the nipples are pointing in two completely different directions, that's bad.
I don't know if I'm anti-boob job. I'm just anti-boob job when I can tell it's a boob job. If you show me someone who has a boob job that doesn't look like a boob job, I'd probably be fine with it. Because I couldn't tell. Once I can tell, it's done.
I noticed no one has linked me to a boob-jobbed porn star who looks natural. I'm drafting my closing arguments.
Detection bias. They don't advertise that they have boob jobs, so the only way we would know one was done is if it's badly done.
Detection bias. They don't advertise that they have boob jobs, so the only way we would know one was done is if it's badly done.
So you say. It has been argued that there is no such thing as a good boob job. Because by virtue of having the job, you've modified that which nature didn't give you.
Detection bias.
But to be fair, that's what I was postulating above, that I admit I may have a detection bias. I'm now off to Judge(tm) Jayden Jaymes as noted below.
*investigated*
Miss Jaymes does have what I would admit might be the finest boob job I've ever seen. Her plastic surgeon must be expensive. My only note is that they're a little too puffy at the sides and the top which is always the dead giveaway.
However, since I already knew they were fake by virtue of Mint Berry Crunch's post below, the whole experiment is hopelessly flawed.
In summation, I am happy about one thing: The "new" trend of porn stars to be naturally breasted. I for one was glad for this new trend and welcomed it with open arms.
Jayden Jaymes is often mentioned as being one of the few pornstars whose doctor.....at least ATTEMPTED to make her boobs sit naturally. At their best, in some pictures, they look almost as nice as Erica Campbell's.
But I'm sure there are also pics where you'll see that side-rippling thing that saline / silicone baggies do. And she has a gross, distracting tattoo. And a rotten personality, if her MTV True Life episode is any indication.
Tattoos are right after boob jobs on the porn bane list. Especially the ones that are, uh, centrally placed.
Tattoos I can live with, even though the woman will regret all of them when she's 50. Not my problem.
It's still the grapefruit bowls on the chest that bug me.
I seriously hope the guy who gave Ashley Jensen her tattoos shed bitter tears while he was doing it. I know I would have.
And a rotten personality, if her MTV True Life episode is any indication.
She's a porn star. I have no investment in what rattles around in her brain. Despite years of Nina Hartley trying to paint herself as an intellectual pornstar, I always turn down the volume when she starts in on that PoliSci degree shit.
Sit there and look pretty honey. That's why we're payin' ya.
The only smart (retired) pornstar is Asia Carrera. She's a fellow mensan.
A truly rotten personality can have the same effect on one's ability to fantasize as the toilet licking I mentioned before. Attitude on screen also matters a lot...there are several performers with super-hot bodies who always seem to just be going through the motions (NPI). At the same time there are some solid 8s whose apparent enthusiasm puts them on a lot of favorite lists.
I stayed in bed for days after Rebeca Linares got her mutilation done.
NO, not doing that.
I proposed before that we start a Nature Conservancy-type organization for pornstar bosoms, and to that I hold.
You actually have some taste. I'm floored.
Imagine how often the two of you were jerkin' it to her at the same time.
You're the one into whose mind it sprang without provocation, Mr. Sweaty Balls.
In porno veritas, Epi.
Have you seen Soderberg's The Girlfriend Experience (with Sasha Grey)? I saw it last week on DVD and hated it, but it might be up your alley.
It's not a porn flick, before anyone asks. Not really "mainstream" either, just weird.
Hated it as well. Just a total bore, the entire thing.
Loved it.
This job. Fasted way to kill a hot pornstar: boob job.
Two words: Teagan. Presley.
No shit. That was tragic. God knows why she thought she had to go that big. The new techniques make adding a cup or two pretty hard to detect. She looks like they were bolted on in a body shop.
God knows why she thought she had to go that big.
The same reason she got that nose job and those obscene tats.
At least she hasn't figured out a way to mess up that fantastic ass yet.
With these girls if you're looking for a reason for anything, "drugs" is always a good guess
What's a boob job?
lol
I have something for you baby
We know you're a Peter North fan, Tony.
Tulpa, are you telling a lie?
Yes.
lol. I guess you're not Pinocchio cause I didn't notice your nose get bigger 😉
Have you seen that he sells "Peter North Stars" hockey jerseys? Just priceless.
I prefer pre-boob job Nina.
Stoya. Her dead eyes turn me on. There's little sexier to me than free-floating disassociation. Me-ooow.
🙂 I do like Stoya too. And Bobbi Star.
When does that TNG porn parody get released?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VkZwV1v5ZE
Anyone familiar with Sinn Sage? Body is nice, but I really go back and forth on her face, mostly because she looks like every dumb co-ed I wanted to bang. Which is good, but she also has that, "I'm better than you" thing going on that co-eds also do.
Or am I reading way too much into porn?
Anyone familiar with Sinn Sage?
Yep.
Body is nice, but I really go back and forth on her face
It's not about being the prettiest.
I've only seen Nina Hartley in Boogie Nights (1997), and thought she looked a bit over the hill in that movie. But apparently she's still active?! Yikes!
You strike me as the kind of person that thinks that stuff they show on Cinemax is porn.
I won't deny I watched plenty of Shannon Tweed movies on Skinemax back in the day, but no, I don't consider those porn.
Just because I have no interest in watching Great Grandma Hartley in action, doesn't mean I'm opposed to hardcore in general. In fact, I'm about to answer your boob-job question a few posts above in order to prove my credentials.
Responded above. Respect.
I'm with you dude... people can talk about having respect for pioneers and all that, but my dick has told me loud and clear that it does not want Nina in the rotation
I looked at her and she was hot
significant numbers [of] adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
Apparently, he hasn't seen any Trinity Post videos.
I wish these people would make up their minds. Are consumers of kid porn a tiny cohort of sick fucks? Or are they just people with normal desires who've gotten tired of regular porn?
Remember the article states "the Department has focused its limited investigative and prosecutorial resources........"
Well that is beltwayese which means "please increase our budget because we can only afford incompetent lawyers." That is exactly what both parties would do if in the same position. And the GOP will go right along with it because they don't want to be accused of being soft on kiddy porn.
Being soft on kiddie porn sounds a lot better than being hard on it.
nyuck nyuck nycuk
Favorite skin flick company/actress/movie?
1. Diabolic
2. There are so many: Monica Sweetheart, Sasha Grey, Aurora Snow, Trinity Post, Alicia Alighatti, Victoria Sin, Brandi Lyons, Naudia Nyce, Isabel Ice.....
3. ditto.
I'd probably be into Sasha Grey were it not for the extreme stuff she does. Once I see a girl licking a toilet seat or doing A2M or bondage crap, I get a "Clockwork Orange" type reaction to them in the future.
Which of course is why I consider the oft-mentioned concern that most porn viewers tend to get into more and more extreme and violent stuff laughable. The point of porn is fantasy, so unless you're actually into the extreme stuff to begin with you're not going to go there in the end.
The fact that there's a huge market for truly sadistic and otherwise-twisted porn only shows that lots of people are fucked up. Better to have them wanking to it in their basements than to have them doing it in the park at night.
I'd probably be into Sasha Grey were it not for the extreme stuff she does. Once I see a girl licking a toilet seat or doing A2M or bondage crap, I get a "Clockwork Orange" type reaction to them in the future.
This.
Being into SM doesn't mean that you want to roam the streets at night press-ganging people into sexual slavery ...
ding ding ding!
It's the "marijuana leads to harder drugs argument" all over again.
OK, according to my latest bracket (active performers only):
Hispanic Division
1. Isis Taylor
2. Jynx Maze
3. Ann Marie Rios
4. Celina Cross
Asian Division
1. London Keys
2. Lucy Thai
3. Evelyn Lin
4. Roxy Jezel
Blonde/Redhead Division
1. Faye Reagan
2. Jasmine Rouge
3. Lexi Belle
4. Sunny Lane
Brunette/Blackhair Division
1. Franchezca Valentina
2. Alyssa Hall
3. Gracie Glam
4. Jenna Haze
Looking forward to the final four.
". . .telling Gerstein that "significant numbers [of] adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
Wouldn't that also mean that significant numbers of adults who have sex move eventually to having sex with children since nothing else excites them?
That's why I had kids.
It's the logical progression, I guess. Just like if you start off humping your 12-piece sectional, it's inevitable that you're eventually going to move on to ravishing futons.
"significant numbers [of] adult porn consumers move eventually to child porn because nothing else excites them."
Wow, he just accused 360 million people of being potential child pornographers.
I think he's speaking for himself.
Finally, Holder's DOJ gets something right. Should it be a surprise that the douchebags hordes are up in arms?
Actually, he meant BLACK people. Holder is still going after white people for pornography.
I'll still probably sit out the next presidential election, but it's nice to read the occasional story that makes me say "Good job, Obama Admin.!"
Now that I think of it, I'd respect the Democrats a whole lot more if they were as aggressively, enthusiastically "pro-choice" on porn as they are on abortion. (In other words, I'm glad Holder did this, but why "quietly"?)
Sen Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and 41 other senators sent Holder a letter urging him to step up obscenity prosecutions.
42 secret Muslims in the Senate? WTF? How did that happen?
Views about porn is generational. Don't like scat, but I'm sure with many of you, it does not 'shock' me.
If I were a pornographer, just to fuck with people I would make a movie called "scat porn," only it would feature Cab Calloway and Ella Fitzgerald look-alike porn stars actually scatting.
Well, at least it would amuse me...
last king, last priest, entrails
Lol.
Attorney General Eric Holder has quietly shut down the Justice Department's Obscenity Prosecution Task Force
Something tells me there was no consequent net reduction in the DoJ budget.
Favorite skin flick producer:
Fox News Channel
Favorite starlet(s):
Courtney Friel
Kimberly Guilfoyle
Harris Faulkner
Jamie Colby
Laurie Dhue (wherever she is now)
Rebecca Diamond
Shannon Bream
Juliet Huddy
heck even
Kirsten Powers
A. B. Stoddard
from Special Report
quick reference
You forgot Greta van Sustren (and Palin).
Laurie Dhue
Attorney General Eric Holder has quietly shut down the Justice Department's Obscenity Prosecution Task Force?a major reason social conservatives are unhappy with federal efforts in this area.
Why are conservatives pissed? Did they not let them take home the leftover office supplies porn?
Next thing we know, the Obamas will be forcing us to buy porn insurance.
porn insurance?
Hell, I think there could be a market for it:
Failure to orgasm protection
My wife caught me jerking-off coverage
Failure to read the warning label: "do not try these porn moves; all stunts done by professional whores" injury claim
...omg, the whole wife thing will make a good many people rich
Wow, OK that actually does make a lot of sense dude.
http://www.total-privacy.int.tc