The Unspeakable Horrors of Unlicensed Interior Design
The Wall Street Journal's Arian Campo-Flores reports on legislation currently pending in Florida that would abolish the occupational licensing requirements for interior designers and other harmless professions like hair braiders and ballroom dance studio operators. As the story notes, the interior design lobby is mounting an increasingly hysterical defense of its special interest perks:
They've hired Ron Book, one of the state's most influential lobbyists, to fight the bill. And they've stormed legislative hearings to warn of the mayhem that would ensue if the measure passes.
Among the scenarios they've conjured: flammable carpets sparking infernos; porous countertops spreading bacteria; jail furnishings being turned into weapons.
The thought of "someone in my position that thinks they know what they're doing because they watched HGTV for two weeks scares me," licensed interior designer Terra Sherlock said at a hearing in March….
Supporters of deregulation say these claims are little more than scare tactics. Licensed designers want one thing, says Clark Neily, senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, a libertarian law firm: To choke off competition from upstart designers who lack degrees. "I've never seen a more concerted and virulent cartelization effort," says Mr. Neily.
Read the whole story here. I wrote about Republican opposition to the Florida bill last week.
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I mean, next thing you know, people will think they can cook because they've watched Food Network.
And then, truly, the living will envy the dead.
lol
I'm not making this up--I just selected paint colors for our rental property. I live in Florida. And I hold no license in interior design. Egad.
Officer, take this man away.
It's a fair cop. I improperly used Cancun Sand and Ripe Wheat.
You have to have picked the goofiest sounding colors I've ever heard. I would have said "gayest" but that would be insulting to homos.
Blame the manufacturer. Behr doesn't, apparently, have off-white and yellowish brown as options.
Frankly, I think an all black house would be nice. Black walls, black ceiling, black floor, black home d?cor.
I would just assume you're joking, but you did do it to your website. So at some point, you consciously made that decision, or allowed BP or highnumber to do it. Which means you're actually capable of this.
No. See, only highnumber is licensed to do web design in Illinois. I'm not. So I can't do anything about it without running afoul of Illinois law.
Your excuses merely confirm your culpability. Stop avoiding responsibility.
I could simply seize power, it's true. Would a Cancun Sand background with Ripe Wheat text be acceptable?
I would be better than what you have now. Anything would be.
Fuck it, I switched it to white. If we lose the neo-Nazis readership in Austria, it'll be all your fault.
That's so much better. You really need to listen to me more and yourself less.
I'm listening to VM right now. If he doesn't like it, back we go.
Besides, I think your background may be racist.
Oh, it's most definitely racist. That's why it's so much better.
I had some NY style pizza in Laguardia this weekend. It sucked. I will possibly allow you some leeway for the fact that it was airport food.
you ate airport 'pizza' you deserve whatever intestinal parasites that are now feasting on your innards.
Nonsense.
I judge airport quality by 1 single factor (well 2 now that there are some airports which have decided to use a private security rather than the fucking TSA), and that's whether it has a Sbarros. If it does, it's a good airport. If not, the proprietor can die in a fucking fire.
I don't eat Sbarros anywhere else but an airport, but don't give me no goddamn California pizza bullshit in place of some greasy goodness lest you want a very angry dude wandering your airport.
And fuck Chicago style "pizza".
I had some NY style pizza in Laguardia this weekend.
No you didn't. You had garbage. If you eat in the airport, you deserve what you get.
You caved? I am ashamed. Is the ability of viewers to read the site really worth your soul?
It's a test. It's only a test.
Yeah, I've tried that "all black" paint scheme. Terrible idea.
Incidentally, voicing an opinion about interior colors is the unauthorized practice of interior design, and, by directing your illegal commentary toward a Floridian, you have committed a horrific crime and placed yourself under Florida jurisdiction.
Please report to Disintegration Chamber Number 12.
What is wrong with you? It's a Florida. Rental. Property. You are required to use turquoise and coral as colors, and have little seashells painted all over the walls in the bathroom. Oh, and rattan furniture. Absolutely required. Now get back there and get in compliance before we send the designer brigade over to kick some ass.
For reals. You only have two options in Florida when it comes to interior design: aquatic/sea shore themes or tropical/Caribbean styles. One has sea horses, the other has monkeys. And you can blame the licensed military-industrial-interior design complex for all of it.
Monkeys were an option? Damn my unlicensed hide--I didn't know!
Teal and terra cotta.
You need something like this.
Dear God in Heaven!!!
*hides teh childrens*
Hey, kids, doesn't this vase look good on the table?
*face melts*
I bet Home Depot just sold you the paint without even so much as checking your ID. Clearly a new federal agency to oversee home improvement stores is in order (interstate commerce and whatnot).
You know, you're absolutely correct. I can't believe they didn't protect the state from my wayward color matching.
I have my loophole - I have Paige Davis chained up in my basement.
I hate you. I wanted her chained in my basement.
Something just occured to me.
I am also a Floridian, and The Home Depot also sold me paint without checking for an interior design license. What makes it even worse in my case was that the paint they sold me was apparently "blinding florescent lime green." I wonder if I can sue them under the ADA for selling ugly paint to someone with color-blindness? According to my sister-in-law, letting a color-blind person pick paint color is a "really bad idea," and "shouldn't be allowed."
Just reply "Hey, looks good to me."
NY Times commentators to S&P Downgrade: Wall Street is MEAN!!! AND IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT!!!
Seriously, what would be the disadvantages of moving to a country with a good Debt/GDP ratio, like Canada or Australia?
I mean, yes, bigger government, but at least in those countries people have this idea of, "So, we have to pay for this shit? Okay!"
Nobody looks to Canada or Australia for help with their neighborhood dictator. Also, Canada at least gets pharmaceuticals on the cheap because they threaten to void patents otherwise.
There are not interior design licensing requirements in California (that I know of). Years ago I used to be in the construction trade worked closely with interior designers. 99.5% of the job is selecting colors and textures and getting the customer's approval.
Is there a danger that they'll be selling illegal carpets and drapes? No, because illegal carpets and drapes are illegal. Duh. Is there a danger in selling poor quality carpets and drapes? Yes, but it is so very small, because the folks who can afford interior designers don't put up with poor quality.
I think that the financial incentive for cartelization is certainly the lion's share of the motivation here, but don't discount the "status" imperative behind a lot of "professionalization" campaigns.
They want to prop up the compensation for interior designers, true. But they're also acutely aware that they have a bullshit occupation that anyone can pretty much learn to do as well as they do in about a week, and that hurts their egos. They desperately want to be "professionals", and the only way to accomplish that when your occupation is bullshit is to get the state to license what you do.
""They want to prop up the compensation for interior designers, true.""
They are over priced, just call an indoor specialist instead.
don't discount the "status" imperative behind a lot of "professionalization" campaigns
Bingo. A relative has been taking interior design courses at a college in the San Jose Area. She tells me that one of her professors has used class time to stump for licensing legislation based on exactly this notion of being recognized as a "professional". Cuz lumpen proles can't be trusted with paint swatches.
It scares me even more that self-righteous assholes like Terra take themselves seriously enough to use the might of government to impose their beliefs...
Are Chad and Tony interior designers, BTW?
She's probably right about someone not really knowing the depth and breadth of interior design after a brief stint watching HGTV. Just like you wouldn't trust your engine repair to someone who just watched Top Gear for half a season.
Of course, you don't need a license to do engine repair, so perhaps there's a way for people to sort out the noobs from the pros even without a licensing regime. This may require further study.
No it doesn't. HGTV actually gives some details about interior design/decoration. Top Gear is just a bunch of guys making absurd, yet sometimes funny, hyperboles...and has cars.
""They've hired Ron Book, one of the state's most influential lobbyists, to fight the bill. And they've stormed legislative hearings to warn of the mayhem that would ensue if the measure passes.""
Does Ron have no soul?
Ron Book likely sleeps in a coffin.
Little Brittle: See, I released it in Transylvania so vampires would come and visit me and I could get them to bite into my neck and then I could become immortal! Why the hell do you think I made myself look so sexy on the cover?!
Frylock: See, I knew it. I knew some bullshit was up with you. I knew it!
Little Brittle: Look, yo. Brittle needs to live forever! Otherwise I go down to hell and Satan send me back as something worse! He's got all these ideas...he don't tell me none of them!
I've heard that if you toss a handful of rice grains at Ron Book's feet, he won't be able to move from that spot until he's counted them all.
And that he can't cross natural bodies of water.
From what I gather -- and I returned to South Florida 15 years ago after spending my teenage years here and then escaping for college and grad school, so the local political history is of some interest to me -- the soul of Ron Book is rather like Candy Mountain. Some people claim it exists, but others say that when you actually go to look for it, you wake up in a bathtub full of ice and your kidneys are gone.
What I find surprising is that Interior Designers have that much money and political weight to throw around - I'm not surprised when I see such things from big horrible industries like farming, oil, gambling - but interior design?
And the flower arrangers. Don't ever fuck with the floristas.
Almost as dangerous as the hair braid brigade.
As a Floridian, I am not suprised. Go and visit a vacation home or condominium down here and this will all make sense (their money and clout that is, not this licensing issue).
Can we get some sort of designer to make the comment section not such a annoying fuck-ton of suck?
ballroom dance studio operators
Seriously, you need a license for this???!??!
What if someone is doing the Charleston and then someone close nearby starts doing the Lindy what do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO? Without the licensing and the classes you need to take to get the license you could make the wrong decision and people would be hurt or killed.
So, yeah you market fundy bastard you need a license.
As a former ballroom dance aficionado, I can attest to the sordid underbelly of ballroom dance. Men wearing shirt garters, women stealing false eyelashes. The horrors demand an overarching regulatory scheme to enforce modern decency.
Wouldn't the problem in those examples be the makers of flammable carpet and porous cabinets? And since when do interior designers build jails?
Interior decorators too have aspirations. And they are kind hearted, too; they want to make sure that when unlicensed interior decorators go to jail, it's a nice jail.
The thing about any professional licensing is, meeting the state's minimum standards does not excuse you from liability. Which makes all professional licenses pointless.
There are occupations where the dangers of malpractice are so great and/or irreversible that assigning liability after the fact is not an acceptable solution by itself. Especially since bargain-bin amateur practitioners may not have even the funds to pay for their screwups.
Not counting lawyers. The world would be better off without our monopoly.
Couldn't get your money back from that back-street proctologist, eh?
Hey, intestinal perforation only hurts the first time.
There are occupations where the dangers of malpractice are so great and/or irreversible that assigning liability after the fact is not an acceptable solution by itself.
This *might* be true, but I cant think of one off the top of my head. Well...skydiving instructor?
Liability is not everything. The point that "There are occupations where the dangers of malpractice are so great and/or irreversible that assigning liability after the fact is not an acceptable solution by itself."(Tulpa) is well made. Licensure gives the consumer verification that the practitioner has met certain minimum standards of education, experience and competence.
That said, if that is the case, the public safety is just as well served if occupations where malpractice can result in serious injury or death were the only ones requiring such certification. Somehow I have absolutely no problem if bad feng shui is not covered.
On the other hand, there are other ways to provide such verification. France relies on the insurance industry to keep its engineers in line and Britain has mostly left it to the market though membership in one of the prestigious institutes, for which graduating from a decent university will be a requirement, is mostly needed to keep up a practice.
Doesn't anyone else see the irony in the fact that a person named "Sherlock" would be clueless?
And BTW, Cancun Ripe and Sand Wheat sound like better colors. Actually, one of them sounds like an STD rectal may have contracted at a fatty/furry convention south of the border, but I'll let her explain.
I...I've got nothing.
There are occupations where the dangers of malpractice are so great and/or irreversible that assigning liability after the fact is not an acceptable solution by itself.
No licensed engineer ever drew up a bridge which failed. And, as we all know, expecting the customer to assume responsibility for finding a competent practitioner is far, far too much to ask.
That way lies...
SOMALIAAAAAAAAAAA
the interior design lobby is mounting an increasingly hysterical defense
Thin ice, dude.
Maybe they should all get together and sit in a big pink room.
I hear it has a calming effect.
(Did I just give interior design advice without a license? *Seppuku*)
Interior designers don't need licenses, you can't license good or bad taste.
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I've asked this question of the readers on this site before, but am interested in more opinions. I am generally against these ludicrous licensing schemes, but have a scenario: I am a licensed professional engineer and am pretty convinced of the need for this license. Reason being that the end user (public) is not involved in the procurement of services, so in order to provide some minimum level of competency for when the owner/developer of whatever building, bridge, dam, water treatment, etc. hires the cheapest person, a license is required. I'm fine with this.
Many in my profession of structural engineering are pushing to require specific structural engineering license beyond a civil engineering license in order to design structures. Some states (CA, IL, UT, NV, HI, WA, OR) already require this to some extent. Is this an appropriate use of licensing?
Heh, I knew you were going to be a civil once you mentioned being licensed. And no, there is no need for licensing. First off, taking the FE proves way less than actually finishing an engineering degree does. A much better way to ensure the quality of the structure would be having your own engineer inspect the work, rather then relying on the fact that the guy doing the work paid $300 to take a test one afternoon.
Also, of course you are ok with the licensing. Our point is that the already licensed always are.
In all seriousness, I have a genius friend who would be an engineer (this is not a thinly-veiled me, I'm a liberal arts guy) but dropped out of school because of, well...too much weed, frat, no class. His folks cut him off, but he completely aces every night and summer class he now takes for his engineering degree. Like, he is the lone extra credit guy when the scores are 70-something or below. Given he must support himself, can't there be a more stringent exam or something that doesn't require a degree? If there must be a license, I think if you can do something, you can do something, credentials or not.
Just interested in your thoughts as to why the degree itself is important to engineering.
There are plenty of opportunities for an engineering oriented person to work as a technician with very nearly the same responsibilities. And good techs are pulling down some good money.
While I tend to agree that state licensing is an unwarranted restraint of trade, the marketplace can be just as harsh. Especially on potsmoking slackers. Not that that matters to me but other peoples' biases can be a bitch.
Intelligence /= success. Just because he can pick up engineering easily and ace his tests now doesn't mean companies want to hire someone that slacked off during college previously. Some amount of self-discipline and drive is also required to do engineering, not just an amazing retention of theory.
I agree with a lot of both of your comments above. I guess my point was that when one considers the amount of money needed for college, and the talent missed by the screening function it provides, employers need to consider whether the degree requirement is effective and fair. Employers shouldn't be compelled to drop it if it is unfair, but fairness should certainly be an ethical consideration.
By the way, it's been many years since his foolishness, and he's not starving. I just can't help thinking that there's lots of untapped talent -- people who have other reasons for not obtaining a degree besides slackdom -- that is discouraged because of the licensing/credentialing system in place.
Like I said above, there was never anything keeping your friend from making a very good living if he was as able as you say.
Many firms use licensed engineers to front for talented technical people and have absolutely no problem compensating able designers for what they contribute to the bottom line.
If your friend couldn't find satisfactory gainful employment, I suspect there were possibly reasons other than credentialism stopping him.
Mauve.
Hey, come on. Just look at what happens when designers aren't licensed:
http://lileks.com/institute/in.....index.html
The horror. The Shock! The PLAIDS!!! Think of the children!
Thank heavens we now have licensing of designers - so we can have the serenity of, well... this:
http://unhappyhipsters.com/
Some consider this a good thing.
You know who lived in Kehlsteinhaus and also loved him some licensed interior decorators?
Oh wow, OK that is kinda scary when you think about it.
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That is a shame just because people think that they know what they're doing doesn't make them a professional Interior Designer