Small Business on the Shutdown
Who's worried about a government shutdown? Not the small business community. CNBC's John Carney reports on a new study by Pepperdine University's Graziadio School of Business and Management. It finds that amongst small business owners and their lenders, nearly half—48 percent—actually support a government shutdown. Just 39 percent are opposed. Even more telling? A much larger percentage isn't terribly worried about potential effects on their business, either: "84.4 percent of small business owners believe there will be no impact on privately-held companies from a one-day shutdown; tapers to 75.7 percent for one week; 60.6 percent for two weeks," writes Carney. In other words, they're pretty sanguine about the shutdown so long as it's a relatively brief affair, which, if a shutdown occurs, is probably the most likely outcome.
At this point in the afternoon, it's not even clear whether or not there will be a shutdown at all. A spokeperson for House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) just told The Washington Post that the Republican leader is "hopeful" there will be a deal within a couple of hours. Seems as if all of Washington is watching, but I don't think there's a lot of real drama here. A shutdown may not be a great idea, and I think Republicans were foolish to make a stand over a relatively minor package of cuts. But at least in the short term, it also wouldn't exactly be a catastrophe. We can do without non-essential government functions for a few days. There's just not that much at stake, in the grand scheme of things, and small business owners seem to understand that a shutdown won't drastically change the way they do business.
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These small business won't survive without the Department of Small Businesses, and the Bureau of Small Business, and the Small Business Administration.
Is this a spoof?
Has to be.
Let's not rush to judgement until this thread plays out.
These small business no better. They know that unless the shutdown is permanent they will retroactively fucked to cover the time the government wasn't fucking them during any short shutdown.
*know
(homonymally challenged)
Also "be".
Shut it down! Shut it down forever!
I think we need to start talking differently about the size of the debt and unfunded liabilities so it sinks into the general public to whom numbers in the $trillions are too abstract.
Federal government will need >$1 million per household to pay its IOUs!
> $116 trillion ="official" debt plus money short for future social security, medicare, etc
Even its "official debt" of $14.2 trillion is $123,754 per household!
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I've also been thinking that if the Republicans were really serious, they would talk about spending and cuts in the following two ways. The fact that they don't shows they're merely posturing (old news here, I know, but you should hear my coworkers talk politics -- ugh!)
1. Don't talk about "cuts" in billions of dollars. Talk about them as a percentage of the budget! i.e. a $370B cut isn't draconian, it is 10%.
2. Unless cuts bring this year's budget below last year's spending, don't refer to them as cuts, refer to them as a decrease in growth.
Please go to http://www.votizen.com/ which lets registered voters contact their congressmen. Tell them to balance the budget *now*, that $1million per household to pay federal IOUs is too much! http://www.StopNationalDebt.com links to it, and another site that lets you find their contact info (I can only put 2 links in a post so I can't put the other link here) so tell everyone to visit there!
Thank G-d for Votizen.com for letting registered voters contact their congressmen.
The point is that it confirms your voter registration information so a congressman knows he is getting a message from a constituent rather than some random email spammer (or at least it increases the odds that is the case). The other site lets you find their direct email address or web form, which as far as they know might be anyone contacting them. Votizen isn't guaranteed to be accurate (you could give a dead voter still on the roles info), but they also confirm you via text message to at least cut down on the possibility of automated spam bots registering people falsely using a voter registration list.
"The point is that it confirms your voter registration information so a congressman knows he is getting a message from a constituent rather than some random email spammer"
You know how my congressman knows my email is from a registered voter? HE KNOWS WHO THE FUCK I AM.
Also, what fucking kind of organization has a list of all of the registered voters in America? That's just fucked up.
Now go peddle your bullshit tripe somewhere else, asscunt.
Whether we like it or not, the states give out their voter lists to organizations like that one. Its public information. Most Congressmen don't know all their constituents and for all they know an email from a random address is someone from another state spamming every congressman. Their technique means you at least need to give valid info on *some* voter, and since they confirm it via a text message it makes it difficult for anyone to use more than 1 false identity which makes it less likely you are someone spamming
I'm not sure what "bullshit tripe" you are talking about, if you are claiming there aren't trillions in federal IOUs for social security, medicare, and the national debt or what. The numbers are familiar to Reason readers even if not to the general public, and are likely underestimates since they come from the US Treasury.
The bane of small businesses are almost entirely local: city, county, and state. Other than paying federal taxes for employees' paychecks, the feds mean just about zero for small business. They can shut down for the rest of the year and not make a whit of difference.
Yup. You took the words out my mouth. If the state and locals were to shut down, it would almost be as bad as if my bank were to shutdown. No permits, inspections, etc.
Amen to that. I have owned a small biz for 14 years. I'm actually hoping for a one year "moratorium" on the federal gubmint. They do nothing for me except collect taxes.
Are we shutting down the Libyan shootdown?
No, although the soldiers who are over there won't be getting paychecks until things get moving again.
That would be Obama's and Reid's fault. The bill to fund soldiers' pay passed the house in record time. It should also be noted, Mr. Suderman, that Obama specifically had soldiers re-classified as "non-essential federal workers" to hold them hostage as a bargaining chip.
http://biggovernment.com/mikef.....down/?amp&
Doesn't history tell us that unpaid soldiers is usually doubleplusungood?
Small Business on the Shutdown
It'll be...SMALLIA!
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Just as nothing will drastically change Suderman's eating habits as long as dimwits send in their donations. Don't let the cult down! Donate now!
Is someone boiling a turd?
Max, don't forget we're leaving at 4:30 for Great Aunt Myrtle's. She's making you fried oysters. Please don't wear that horrid T-shirt!
Is anyone else getting fed up with our bought and paid for Government? I mean seriously.
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How about we execute every governmental official in the United States. Let's see their fucking replacements screw with us then.
"I think Republicans were foolish to make a stand over a relatively minor package of cuts."
The Republicans aren't making a stand over a relatively minor package of cuts. They're making their stand over an ideologically driven package of cuts--attacking Planned Parenthood, thus pleasing the evangelicals, and attacking the EPA, thus pleasing base partisans and specific contributors.*
*Including the Kochs? Dunno.
It's not ideologically driven. The right to visit the clinics and having clean air isn't infringed, just asking those who wish to use those services to pay for them themselves. Or charitable liberals like yourself could buy poor people their healthcare and Volts directly from your wallet. Or is it more self-satisfying to lament a non-issue for navel gazing and fart smelling bliss?
*And people that believe in rule of law, or even in democracy over bureaucratic technocracy.
DRINK.
What, and the Dems stand for Planned Parenthood isn't ideologically driven?
Give me a frickin break.
We shall abort them on the beaches, we shall abort them on the landing grounds, we shall abort them in the fields and in the streets, we shall abort them in the hills; we shall never surrender...
Abort yourselves, you worthless blobs of tissue; and do it with your own money.
Stop being a freeloader. Enlist in PeacePrez Obama's Armed Forces. You could help with his humanitarian invasions.
and I think Republicans were foolish to make a stand over a relatively minor package of cuts.
Fine, Suderman. You pay for the "relatively minor" stuff directly out of your wallet, after taxes. Otherwise, ram cuts down their throats, like ObamaCare (or to you PPACA) was rammed down ours.
A spokeperson for House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) just told The Washington Post that the Republican leader is "hopeful" there will be a deal within a couple of hours.
This must mean the adults have regained control of the debate. Now we can get back to the serious business of governing dividing the spoils.
We should start a website: maketheshutdownpermanent.com
make a stand over a relatively minor package of cuts.
Well, yeah. Just like that idiot the other day who wandered in just to say, "It's only a few bucks taken from a large number of individuals, funneled to a small number of county officials; who could object to that?"
The Glass can be viewed as 1/2 empty or 1/2 full of a poisonous fluid. Either way, no matter what a small business thinks, this is not going to help. Not the CUTS to the middle class which would impact certain business or the government shutdown.
What amazes me the most is that AMERICA has been #1 and became #1 with the creation of a REAL MIDDLE CLASS. And now, true-blue-gold-blooded Americans are perfectly OK with Dicking over people such as public workers, the poor, the disabled, etc.
what's the point in making a $50k/year teacher pay another $500/month and giving a $300k/yr person a $500/month tax break?
I make a little over $300k/yr and I'll tell you now, giving me another $500/month ain't gonna do SHIT to the economic crisis in America. I'm not hiring anyone and it'll probably just sit there in my account earning 1.5% pre-taxed.
Now, if you taxed me $500/month I wouldn't even FART. I'm not laying anyone off nor am I gonna stop buying my stuff.
Now, my heartless-little-conservative-monsters, what do you think a $500/month impact would have on a $50k/year person? And remember, this is $500 POST TAX. And, the $50k/year is PRE TAX. That means a net of around $3,000/month.
All I can see is that the strategy of going after small groups at a time is working real well with conservatives. 80% of americans love their current healthcare coverage (because they DON'T use it). Ask the guy who's kid has leukemia and the insurance company is weasalling out of paying.
Go after public workers as if their jobs are good. When I started my career only those who couldn't get into college became police. Luckily for me, things went well. I've saved a buck or two. Now, the POLICE has the best job because it's the ONLY job that gives promotion/healthcare/security. That's what 20years of stagnation has caused.
Can't wait to see how small/medium American businesses will feel once we see a significant reduction in middle-class spending.
Now hows that for a straw-man.
Dear Alice, this is what happens when it becomes a free for all of fighting over the spoils that have been extracted by the government. Instead of political decisions, we need individual daily decisions made by the millions and millions of people who are
fully capable of deciding for themselves what goods to buy, what wages to offer and take, what charitable causes to support, what entertainment to engage, and etc.
None of this has changed. We are still capable (and do) all of those things you mentioned.
I'm on the side with the liberals. I have no problem being taxed and regulated. And for all those that feel that there is too much government involvement and we should let the free market work it out...we already did. Before the regulations came to be, the free market was at work. And, we required regulations after numerous consumer complaints.
And I'm a true capitalist. I work on the street and I'm believe in the American Free Market Enterprise system. It does, however, need to be regulated and we need to contribute to safety nets for people. We bailed out the banks. And, that seems to be a good thing given the fact that the tax payer got their money back an them some. The regular Joe deserves to be bailed out too when they get into trouble too.
I know that on this blog, I'm alone on this opinion. I feel like we need a DIVORCE in America between the mean-hearted people that wanna fuck -over EVERYONE but themselves and the rest of us. If you ask me, we should have NEVER fought the civil War. The difference between us will never be resolved.
There's so much wrong with that, I'm sorry that I'm on a smartphone. I don't thin k I would know where to start,anyway.
You are the perfect leftist: craven, cowardly, eager to lick the boots of government, determined that anyone who thinks differently then you is motivated by evil intentions, sure that you're right even though you have no facts to support your position.
I know that on this blog, I'm alone on this opinion. I feel like we need a DIVORCE in America between the mean-hearted people that wanna fuck -over EVERYONE but themselves and the rest of us. If you ask me, we should have NEVER fought the civil War. The difference between us will never be resolved.
What in the name of fuck all are you babbling about?
She's accusing everyone you disagrees with her of being mean-spirited and a racist.
It's how socialists argue.
*everyone who
Must not drink and post.....
Everyone but themselves and the rest of us? Are you pro-slavery? Sober up Alice in chains.
But most of the mean-hearted people are in government. What can we do?
"I'm not hiring anyone and it'll probably just sit there in my account earning 1.5% pre-taxed"
You need to kill your financial advisor. And his family.
I work for the 'DEVIL' on the Street. And none of us down here 'Invest'. That's a LOOSER.
Your mama buys ETFs.
And she shorts green-energy companies!
Until you understand that class and income are separate concepts, you'll never understand how to preserve the middle class. Class is about social status and power. People that expect to be provided for, no questions asked, have as much power over the government as children have over their parents.
This is proof we need a Department of Government Shutdowns.
I don't see what the problem is. Belgium has been doing fine without a government for months.
"However, the absence of a government makes little difference to day-to-day life in Belgium."
Hello. I'm amazed that Time would admit that.
I think the problem is not a big one ... The way of business can't be changed...
The remaining percent of small business owners who didn't see this as 'not a problem' were probably government contractors. Obviously, if your customer decided to shut down (and therefore, not pay), one would have a serious problem with that.