Legislator Hopes to "Correct" the Health Insurance Market In Order to Fix a Problem Introduced by a Previous Attempt to Correct the Health Insurance Market
The New York Times reports on a casualty of ObamaCare: new, child-only health insurance policies.
Insurers in Texas and across the nation — protesting a provision of the 2010 federal health care overhaul that prohibits pre-existing condition limitations for children under 19, have simply stopped offering new child-only policies. For children being raised by their grandparents, who are not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid and have no employer-offered insurance or family plans to cover them, there are few options.
…Jared Wolfe, executive director of the Texas Association of Health Plans, said it is not because insurers do not want to cover children. The federal health care overhaul, and in particular the pre-existing condition language, has been interpreted to mean that insurers must write a policy for any child who applies, Mr. Wolfe said. That effectively ensures that only sick children will apply for benefits, he said — an unworkable financial scenario for insurance companies.
"It's a bad situation," Mr. Wolfe said. The child-only plans "are a very small percentage of the market, but for those people, it means quite a bit."
One Democratic legislator from Texas has apparently filed a bill that would force insurers to accept child applicants if they sell health insurance on the individual market. "We have to correct the market to make sure children don't go without coverage," he's reported as saying. Hold on a minute. Wasn't ObamaCare passed as a corrective measure intended to fix problems within the individual market? And weren't those flaws created in large part by policies that favored employer-sponsored insurance?
This story provides a neat illustration of the endless cycle of regulatory do-gooderism: First, legislators pass a law that's supposed to fix the problems in a market. Then, at little while later, they notice that their shiny new law has actually created additional problems. Finally, they start the process of passing an even newer law to fix the problems caused by the regulations set up in the first one. From there, they wait until new problems inevitably arise and then start all over again. I suppose it keeps them busy.
More on ObamaCare and the disappearance of child-only health insurance policies here.
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God damn the Democrats in this state are dumb. Granted the Republicans aren't much better *cough*creationism*cough*, but still.
Fuck you, DesigNate! It's obvious that T. Rex ate coconuts! Look at their teeth! And a banana! You can't explain that!
If you're not reading Jack Chick comics, you're not getting the real truth.
Didn't Jesus ride T-Rexback?
Jesus loved all the dinosaurs.
I'm pretty sure that's a Sleestak baby.
Interestingly, that's the same dead-eyed look of rigid horrification my tuxedo cat gives me when I pick her up.
Are you actually comparing yourself to Jesus?
Also, wtf is a tuxedo cat? (No, I will not google it. I will wait for Warty to post some youtube of a song with "tuxedo" and possibly "cat" in the title.)
Black cat with white socks, neck and stomach.
Aw...
"Black cat with white socks, neck and stomach."
Who the fuck wears white socks with a black tuxedo?
Are you actually comparing yourself to Jesus?
Only your heart can answer this question, my child.
It's telling you chose to respond to the cat thing first.
Here's one making the OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG A BIRD A BIRD noise.
Damn.
I knew that noise had to have a name, but I never guessed how obvious it was.
Sleestak Lightning
hahaha. That is almost verbatim a conversation I had with someone down here.
I am mere miles away from The Creation Museum.
Museums
SF, serious question: Is KY a "reasonable" state in which to reside?
Depends where in KY. Louisville and Lexington metro areas aren't too bad. Western Kentucky is not totally Hee-Haw, but it's fairly economically depressed. Northern Kentucky (i.e. near Cincinnati) is fairly nice as well and fairly cheap. In a pinch, Bowling Green is OK for a suitcase college town and it's fairly close to Nashville.
Everywhere else is pretty bleak.
Thanks. A colleague is trying to convince me that Memphis is the best kept secret in the U.S.
Before the snark -- yes, I know Memphis is not in KY.
Memphis has always been like New Orleans to me, I love visiting the place but I'm not sure I want to live there.
Agreed...good music, good food, rest of Memphis seems depressing.
Memphis smells like piss.
Or as a friend of mine used to say "Satan pisses in Memphis and he shits in New Orleans.
That bleakness is overstated, especially with no context. Personally, I wouldn't live in Louisville if my mother's life depended on it. It's a pretentious city where people think their own shit doesn't stink. Unfortunately what they haven't realized is that it's no more than a decent sized city in a backwater state.
Lexington sucks too, for many of the same reasons, only compounded by the liberal profs and the resultant hipster douchebags from UK eating at shitty ethnic restaurants (though Oasis has very good Mediterranean food) talking about how much better they are than the average person (the formally educated get MUCH worse when you live somewhere where formal education isn't exactly at the top of the list of priorities).
Western KY is okay if you like sparcity.
Eastern KY might be okay, but I can't fucking understand a goddamn word mountain people say so I wouldn't know for sure. The mountains are nice though. Lots of shit to do if you like the outdoors.
Central KY isn't much different from western KY, only it's a bit more populated, and the hills are a little hilly-er
All that said, we are gun friendly, and people in the country generally leave others to their business (the same CANNOT be said for the busybody fucks in Lex/Lou). People like to drink, and know how to have a good time.
Insurers in Texas and across the nation ? protesting a provision of the 2010 federal health care overhaul
GodFarginDammit, they weren't "protesting" anything, you morons.
They were eliminating a business line that had been rendered unprofitable by gormless meddlers in DC.
It wasn't political. It was economic.
Gormless FTW.
Then, of course, he will want to pass a law forbidding the insurer from cancelling the policy if the child fails to make payment.
Hoo-larious video of the day
Watch the newsbimbo try to contain her fury. Fucking gold.
Water Carriers!
Plus a plug for Mr. [sic] Paul.
DUH...it is called Adverse Selection, and the dummies in gubmint were warned about it. Never trust the gubmint to takeover anything private industry should do. They NEVER improve it, and quote often, turn it into a GIANT CF.
Peter, Peter, Peter, the sooner you realize the PPACA is designed to drive private insurers out of market the sooner you can stop wasting gray matter trying to excuse the provisions as mistakes.
Skinner: Well, I was wrong; the lizards are a godsend.
Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
"That effectively ensures that only sick children will apply for benefits, he said ? an unworkable financial scenario for insurance companies."
I'd only throw in that if it's an unworkable financial scenario for insurance companies, then it's an unworkable financial scenario for policy holders and companies who buy policies for their employees too.
Oh, but the people who were against ObamaCare, they're the ones who hate uninsured children?!
Yes, because the intentions are what truly matters. The intentions were there, it is not the Obamacare supporters fault that the evil insurance companies actually have to make a profit on a class of policies in order to continue offering those policies.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
The only correction for this problem is to remove the requirement that insurers cover people with pre-existing conditions.
I find it hard to believe that legistlators were too stupid to realize this would result in exactly this problem, and yet, that is exactly what we've witnessed.
Well, the mandate is supposed to make it work. But that would only work if the mandate took effect before the pre-existing condition requirements. So one must conclude that either 1) the legislators who voted for the bill are retarded, 2) the legislators did not read the bill or understand what it said or 3) they deliberately passed a law that they knew would not work
Zeb, I think you have an "or" in there, where an "and" would work better.
1 or 1 = 1
Also, given that, even as the mandate was being written, there were questions about it's Constitutionality, it seems rather arrogant to just blithely assume that:
A) All the provisions of your law would hold up in court, even without a sever-ability(yeah, I know I just misspelled this, but I'm having an afternoon brain fart. Damn Friday afternoons) clause.
B)That, even if all provisions in the law were enacted as written, there would be utterly no unintended consequences.
I mean, B is the one that really bothers me. Even the most liberal minded New Dealer has to admit that, when some of say the New Deal programs began, they ended up backfiring badly (Agricultural Adjustment Act, which, and I shit you not here, a history professor argued to me was an example of the failure of capitalism through overproduction- it's the famous drowned chickens thing. My first response was, "Well, wouldn't that be a failure of regulation?" a concept which he just simply could not grasp).
But that would only work if the mandate took effect before the pre-existing condition requirements.
I think they knew perfectly well it wouldn't work, but they had to give out the goodies before the bill came due in order to get people on board. Once people had their magical goodies, it wouldn't be a question of how to repeal the pile of garbage, it would be a question of how to modify it so that people could keep their goodies. If the goodies bankrupt some insurance companies in the interim, so much the better since the government would then have even more "market failure" to show as evidence that BarryCare is the solution.
"I find it hard to believe that legistlators were too stupid to realize this would result in exactly this problem, and yet, that is exactly what we've witnessed."
I think there's a disconnect between the way we see problems and the way politicians see problems.
We see people paying too much for insurance or being denied coverage, and we look for solutions to people paying too much for insurance or being denied coverage.
Politicians only see problems in terms of how it's going to help them get reelected. I think there are whole worlds of solutions that are never seriously considered by politicians because those solutions won't help them get reelected.
That's why we should never trust politicians to solve our problems for us--they're not interested in solving out problems. They're interested in getting reelected.
^^THIS^^
Politicians don't want to solve our problems, becaue then there may not be a "need" for politicians. If they won the war on poverty, what would happen to the poor bureaucrats who work in the various government institutions that "fight" poverty?
Government is no more than a fucking jobs program, and a goddamn expensive one at that.
"From there, they wait until new problems inevitably arise and you start all over again."
You left out the "blame the free market" then rinse and repeat step
Yes, obviously, this is a market failure, not a government failure.
Standard disclaimer: "We never said it was a perfect bill."
So one must conclude that either 1) the legislators who voted for the bill are retarded, 2) the legislators did not read the bill or understand what it said or 3) they deliberately passed a law that they knew would not work
They had to pass it to find out what was in it (possibly because they're too dumb to read?).
Seriously.
There was an old lady who swallowed a fly...
Also: alt-text! Hooray!
Sometimes you have to tap an old-timer for true wisdom.
Groucho Marx:
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."
So true, I guess some things really never do change, just the labels used to justify the nonsense.
To believe these are mistakes is to completely ignore the Democrats own statements that this bill will eventually lead to single payer.
Government: a perpetual game of regulatory whack-a-mole.
Fast forward to same legislator wondering why all the insurance companies are only offering group insurance now.
Thanks for posting this wonderful news. Its quite inspiring to see people who are trying to fix the holes of this industry because right now it seems that it really has a lot of hiatus to the point of people no longer trusting it... Thanks again