What Does It Take for a Police Officer To Get Fired?


Apparently, lifting a seizing seven-year-old by the throat isn't quite enough.

Allison said her son, who is a special needs student at Stevenson, suffers from seizures that cause him to scream and act much like a 2-year-old throwing a tantrum. He had such a seizure on Dec. 21 and was with the school psychologist waiting for his dad to pick him up and take him home.

Lorraine Allison said the psychologist had her son in a restraining hold, which is common practice.

[Bloomington, Illinois, police officer Scott] Oglesby became involved after he went to the school after hearing of an unrelated incident involving another student.

The school resource officer also was en route.

According to the police report obtained by the Allisons, Oglesby "darted" into the room where the Allison's son was, told the boy he was giving him a headache and then lifted the 65-pound boy by the throat. He "was lifted off the floor so his feet were dangling … his head was close to the ceiling … his face was turning quite red," according to the psychologist's statement to police.

The psychologist left the room and told the school resource officer who then went into the room. Oglesby then grabbed the boy by the arm, lifted him over his shoulder and carried him to the principal's office where, according to one witness, he "threw" the boy into a chair.

The report further states that Oglesby went back into the classroom and said to school staff, "You got any more?"

Oglesby is now on the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services "indicated" child abusers list. But he won't face criminal charges. He was initially on paid leave during the investigation, but has since been reinstated to the force, albeit at a desk job that bars him from interacting with the public. So he didn't miss a day of pay.

MORE: A reader emails this story about another Bloomington cop who was arrested in 2009 by a state trooper for suspected DUI, and for driving 83 in a 45 mph zone. Because the officer refused to take a breath test, McLean County State's Attorney Bill Yoder responded by setting up "no refusal" sobriety checkpoints for all the non-cop motorists, meaning anyone refusing a breath test, as the cop did, would have blood forcibly extracted from their bodies.

The DUI charge against the cop that inspired the crackdown was later dropped. He is also still on the force.

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  1. It's Monday, Radley. Couldn't this have waited?

    1. Reasoner's might like this Freakonomics blog post: Does Highway Patrol Keep us Safe on a possible win-win for our state budgets (by cutting HWPatrol funding) for state budgets and our convinience... I haven't read it yet so can't vouche for its conclusions.

  2. Why do you hate the police and firefighters?

    1. Why do you think it is OK for cops and firefighters to misbehave with impunity?

    2. Or more on point: Why do you like helpless, inocent, siezing, seven year olds so much?

  3. "Never trust a man with a moustache"

  4. Well the kid shut up, maybe the officer should look for a new career as a therapist.

  5. First, this is totally wrong. But second, I'm somewhat skeptical about these "seizures".

    1. Ditto on the part about "seizures". And the officer is still an asshat.

    2. Fucking retards, how do they work?

      1. I work very well, thank you very much.

    3. See my comment above. I hate to give a cop a break but it sounds like his "therapy" was effective. Assuming the brat child was uninjured, perhaps psychology has something to learn from this "treatment".

      1. Assuming you have a kid if he is misbehaving in public, you are OK with a complete stranger lifting him into the air by the neck until he calms down. Is that correct?

        1. No that isn't correct. It isn't my kid.
          If it was I probably would have explored something similar long before.

          1. More people like you should replace non-violent drug offenders in the prison system.

            1. Mango Punch having a "seizure":

              'Mommy, didn't that police officer's mommy say he shouldn't do that to people?'

          2. Answer the question, Mr. Internet Tough Guy, are you ok with a complete stranger lifting your misbehaving-in-public child by the neck until he calms down?

            1. I answered it you fucking moron:
              No that isn't correct.

              You should learn to read before you type.

              1. No, you Down's Syndrome mongoloid, you didn't answer the question. You prevaricated by attempting to change the question.

          3. I took a shit there, on your soul I mean, once.

      2. Please give yourself an Internet Time-Out.

      3. Please give yourself an Internet Time-Out.

    4. Seizure probably isn't the right word, but does it matter?

      This is utterly unjustifiable even if the kid was totally normal and was throwing a fit.

    5. "But second, I'm somewhat skeptical about these "seizures"."

      Do you have any reason for doubt, or just like to be an asshole?

    6. But second, I'm somewhat skeptical about these "seizures".

      More on pediatric seizures and epilepsy:

      complex focal seizures
      This type of seizure commonly occurs in the temporal lobe of the brain, the area of the brain that controls emotion and memory function. This seizure usually lasts between one to two minutes. Consciousness is usually lost during these seizures and a variety of behaviors can occur in the child. These behaviors may range from gagging, lip smacking, running, screaming, crying, and/or laughing. When the child regains consciousness, the child may complain of being tired or sleepy after the seizure. This is called the postictal period.

  6. Ow, my balls. How is this not considered assaulting a minor?

    1. It's a cop.

    2. When a cop beats the hell out of you, it isn't assault--it's a "pain compliance technique."

      Proper technique also requires you to yell "Stop resisting!" until your victim stops breathing.

      1. Or until you get tired. Some perps are pretty big and it takes a lot out of you to really give them a comprehensive beating...

        1. So then the perp could be charged with "assaulting a police officer['s cardiovascular system]"

  7. What's good for Captain Antilles is good for 7 year special kids.

    1. "7 year old special ed kids"

      Guess that lightning fried my brain too.

    2. I was thinking the same thing. Now Darth Vader is a role model for cops? He's cool and all, but that's only in fiction. In real life, his actions would be, I dunno, totally evil.

      Our system is broken when government officials can do things that would be serious offenses for hoi polloi but don't even amount to a lost day's pay for the official. There's no disincentive at all against outrageous, even criminal behavior. In fact, there's an argument that it's being rewarded.

      1. It's not criminal activity if you are an agent of the government.

        Laws only apply to little people.

        1. It's insane that we've allowed the political class to get all of these special rights.

          1. Allowed?

            What can we do other than vote in another set of lying lawyers (redundant I know)?

            It's not a matter of what we allow. It's the nature of the people who seek to be part of the political class. People who are not interested in special rights and privileges do not seek a life of politics.

            It is inevitable that any political system will evolve into one where the people with power are treated differently.

            It's human nature.

            1. I dunno. Is it inevitable? We can't build a system to limit the abuses? Obviously, there are degrees to such abuses, so something in our system has kept things from getting too bad for quite a while. By and large.

              1. Our system was always this bad and more than likely much worse. It's just that we hear about it now.

                1. I don't agree. There was crap going on all along, but the scope and effective reach of government were nowhere near what it is today. Part of that is technology, but a large part of it is that Americans in the past didn't put up with the shit they do today. Obviously, there were Americans putting up with even worse shit back then, but that's another issue.

              2. We do still have a bit of a cultural bias against outright graft and bribery (unlike most of the rest of the world)...so that is something. Although sometimes reading stories like these you wonder how long until even those constraints are gone and your local cop expects a direct pay-off whenever you interact with them.

              3. Is it inevitable? We can't build a system to limit the abuses?

                Yes, it is inevitable, without fail. Unless you can define the term abuse and get a consensus on where limits lie with the uniform enforcement thereof, which is impossible. Government is a malignancy, and anarchy is its chemo.

              4. Is it inevitable? We can't build a system to limit the abuses?

                Someone hasn't read their Dune lately...

              5. I dunno. Is it inevitable?


                We can't build a system to limit the abuses?

                What does "Congress shall make no law" mean?

                a) Congress shall make no law
                b) Congress shall do what it likes
                c) who the fuck are you to interpret the constitution?

                You can't limit abuses in a system run by abusers.

                1. You can't limit abuses in a system run by abusers.

      2. Is that why they wear all black and try to look like him, except for the big flowing cape?

        1. But the cape is the best part!

          1. What's funny is that his outfit is actually a constant remember of how big a failure this whiny, arrogant, emo moron was, and badly he got his ass handed to him.

            1. He was pure cool evil before the prequels, arguably among the best bad guys in film history. His redemption really meant something.

              Now, he's pathetic.

              1. On the other hand, he did produce one of the funniest moments in film history...

                Where is Padme? Nooooooooooooooooooo!

                1. "You must smell like feet...wrapped in leathery burnt bacon."

                2. I couldn't figure out which was worse: that, or a fucking medical ROBOT basically stating that someone died of a broken heart. If it hadn't been the end of the movie, I'd have walked out.

                  1. If it hadn't been the end of the movie, I'd have walked out.

                    I was still in a postcoital daze from watching Anakin get chopped in 4 and burned alive.

                3. I could forgive them having him do a Big No, but JEJ didn't even put any actual emotion into it.

              2. He was pure cool evil before the prequels, arguably among the best bad guys in film history. His redemption really meant something.

                Now, he's pathetic.

                Now his redemption just makes me think he's a pussy. You've already killed your wife, all your friends/coworkers, millions of people you've never met, because you couldn't handle being a Jedi. But killing your son whom you've only met once before (in battle) crosses the line? At this point you're all in: just stick with the evil and overthrow Palpatine. Killing him now doesn't get you off the hook: you should have done that 20 years ago when Windu had him.

                1. Vader taking 20 years to realize Palpatine was a bad guy is perfectly in keeping with the characterization of the first trilogy: Anakin Skywalker is an idiot.

                  1. Vader taking 20 years to realize Palpatine was a bad guy is perfectly in keeping with the characterization of the first trilogy

                    Hmmm, you raise an interesting point. I will have to ponder this further.

                  2. Far be it from me to defend the prequels, but this part actually does make sense if you look at it the right way.

                    Basically, the Episode II/III Anakin was just a punk who never had to think things through in his life because of his preternatural abilities. So he learned to just trust his instincts and react. While other Jedi had to combine their abilities with good judgement and common sense, Anakin was so powerful that he could just wing it; the spirituality and wisdom of the Jedi barely penetrated the surface of his soul. He could recite the rationale for various Jedi beliefs (about celibacy to Padme in Ep II and about sparing a defenseless criminal to Palpatine in Ep III) but it's clear he doesn't really believe them.

                    So he really doesn't have any philosophy of life, he just goes from one crisis to the next, until he hooks up with Padme again, and then she becomes everything to him. When he had the premonitions of her death, he didn't care about good or evil anymore, just about saving her, and of course Palpatine exploited this. After her death he was just a burnt out shell of a man bitterly accepting that there was no meaning in the Galaxy but power; after 20 years of brooding he transformed from the rash young Anakin into the cold, calculating monster we see in Ep IV. 20 years of licking one's wounds takes a long time to undo, and that's the point of Ep V/VI, where he finally finds a reason to turn on the Emperor.

                    Of course, this is all obfuscated by the horrible dialogue, horrible casting for Anakin, ridiculously convoluted plot, and most of all the scenes full of spinning, flashing CGI crap. But I think the outline of how Ani became Vader was pretty decent.

                    1. The outline was decent, but executed horribly. They really should have done it without making Vader a pansy. Also without making 6 hours of pure crap, saved only by about 10 minutes of schadenfreude.

                      He could recite the rationale for various Jedi beliefs (about celibacy to Padme in Ep II and about sparing a defenseless criminal to Palpatine in Ep III) but it's clear he doesn't really believe them.

                      It really pissed me off that he killed Dooku in the beginning then saves Palpatine for reasons that all applied better to Dooku.

                    2. Dooku didn't have a means of saving Padme's life, though. The point is that Anakin isn't applying any sort of consistent philosophy here, just acting on emotion and instinct.

                      There's also the fact that Windu was about to violate Jedi ethics by killing Palpatine, bolstering Palpatine's earlier remarks to Anakin that the Jedi are hypocrites.

                      ...or maybe none of this was intended by Lucas and I'm connecting the dots like so many marbles in a sea of soggy, sticky oatmeal.

                2. Is there any doubt that someday they're going to reboot the prequels? Into something cool instead of stupid? Retconning whiny Anakin straight out of existence?

                  1. I hadn't thought of that. I like this idea.

                  2. NO MORE REBOOTS. Just let them die. How about writing a new story for a change!

                    For every Batman Begins, there are ten new Star Treks.

            1. Isn't that my decision?

              1. Stratogal! April 23rd, '57! Cape caught in a jet turbine!

                1. Easily one of the most intelligent movies to come out in the last 10 years. I am not kidding.

                  But that will take us DOWNTOWN!

                2. E, you can't generalize about these things.

                  1. Metaman, express elevator! Dynaguy, snagged on takeoff! Splashdown, sucked into a vortex!

                    1. No capes!

      3. Once more I say, it's TV. People's perception of cops is driven mainly by what they see on the tube, where they're all heroes.

      4. "In fact, there's an argument that it's being rewarded."

        Oglesby was placed on paid administrative leave following the Dec. 21 incident, but returned to work after McLean County State's Attorney Bill Yoder announced Feb. 23 that he was not filing criminal charges against Oglesby.

        Nine weeks of paid vaction for strangling and beating up a disabled 7-year-old! Yeah, I'd call that a big fucking reward. I hope that asshole Oglesby gets terminal rectal cancer, and then about a month before death he catches the Ebola virus.

    3. Was that guy related to Wedge Antilles, famed commander of the Rogue Squadron? I mean, c'mon. Hom many people are there in the universe? Two guys in the Rebel Alliance, officers no less, with the same last name seems like more than mere coincidence.

      1. Sure sign that you don't have confidence in your scripts when you've got everyone being related, connected, and always involved to keep a connection with prior successes.

        Darth Vader as Luke's dad--pretty good stuff, especially allowing for the redemption arc.

        Luke and Leia as siblings? A little much, but okay.

        Everything else? Stupid.

        1. Well, in fairness, how many people are even in a galaxy?

          1. From the Guide's article on the Universe:

            None. Although you might see people from time to time, they are most likely products of your imagination. Simple mathematics tells us that the population of the Universe must be zero. Why? Well given that the volume of the universe is infinite there must be an infinite number of worlds. But not all of them are populated; therefore only a finite number are. Any finite number divided by infinity is as close to zero as makes no odds, therefore we can round the average population of the Universe to zero, and so the total population must be zero.

            1. This is wrong. If the universe is infinite, probability dictates that were you to choose a vector at random and to trace along its direction, you would find that it intersects an infinite number of worlds perfectly replicating yours, and furthermore, an infinite number of copies of yourself, all of them tracing along exactly the same vector (and infinite others, tracing along infinite other vectors) which you were tracing at that very instant. The population of the universe (being infinite, as stipulated above) is, therefore, infinite.

  8. gangster with a badge. That's all a cop is.

  9. It takes a real man to show these little shits whats what. The rest of you are cowards. That's why I joined the police force to be with my own kind. Real men.

    1. I assume you are just trolling, but just in case... "Real Men" don't hide hide a badge to empower their "Real Manliness", they act and stand on their own two feet and back up their actions with whataver ass they bring to the table.

      1. How do they work?

        1. Consider me relieved.

          1. did you masturbate?

            1. You mean within the last 5 minutes? No.

      2. My badge says I can beat the shit out of you if you stand up for yourself, and kill you if I feel you are going to win the fight.

        Don't believe it?

        Try me. I'm begging you. Give me one excuse. Please. You know I want to. Give me one reason. Come on. Just one. I'm begging you. Just one reason.

    2. That's why I joined the police force to be with my own kind. Real men.


  10. Oh, and by the way:

    sloopyinca|3.26.11 @ 2:32PM|#
    Cop picks up 7 year-old special needs kid by the throat. Charges not pressed, but IL DCFS puts him on abuser list. Unsurprisingly, he remains on the job.

    (Plus I had the link AND got Dunphy to slobber on this cop's cock in a reply, yet no hat tip.)

  11. So who decided that the cop won't face criminal charges here? And who is his boss? If I were the parent here, I would be calling up the state attorney general pretty regularly (and letting local media know I had done so) and demanding that he be charged. Maybe take out an ad in the paper with the cops picture and the text "I beat up 7 year old special needs students". If the local DA or whatever won't charge the guy, there must be someone up the chain of command who is politically vulnerable enough to respond to some publicity about this.

  12. What does it take for Reason to say something nice about cops?

    10 year old accused of racism.

    1. What does it take for Reason to say something nice about cops?

      Cops doing nice things, and not doing bad things.


      You're scum, Greg. When will you realize that?

      1. Don't you have to be scum to know scum, Epislarch? Stop projecting!

    3. Probably the same things it would tak to make you say someting nice about liberals.

      1. Fine, I'll say something nice about liberals.

        Liberals are fine when it comes to sex, drugs and rock & roll. For everything else, I deal with libertarians and conservatives.

        1. Nah, screw the libs, mostly they suck on all counts. Perhaps the focus on cops behaving badly is due them being the pointy end of the government stick. The wielders of said stick are expected to use care when swinging it around. What would be newsworthy about them doing their jobs properly, thats what they are paid to do. To quote Chris Rock, " What do you want? A cookie?" They get their appreciation in the form of a regular paycheck just like everyone else.

          1. It's a liberal trait to only focus on cops when they do bad. I like focusing on all the good they do and not overreacting every time there's a story about a bad cop.


            1. "I like focusing on all the good they do and not overreacting every time there's a story about a bad cop."

              Of course you do; you're contemptibly stupid.

  13. What the fuck is wrong with that hick town. Oh yeah.

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