U.N.: "Any Means Necessary" on Libya

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At 6 PM, the United Nations will vote on a resolution to take "any means necessary" (i.e. military action) against the Qaddafi government, as its forces close in on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi. In a speech broadcast on Libyan radio, Qaddafi promised that the "drug addicts" controlling Benghazi will be eliminated tonight and they won't be shown "any mercy." An Al Jazeera live shot from Benghazi shows the streets packed with anti-Qaddafi demonstrators, which can be seen here.

The Guardian says military action is imminent, likely to start just hours after the resolution passes:

A source at UN headquarters in New York said military forces could be deployed "within hours" of a new security council resolution calling for states to protect civilians by halting attacks by Muammar Gaddafi's forces by air, land and sea.

The resolution would impose a no-fly zone over Libya – but a no-fly zone was no longer enough, the source said. "The resolution authorises air strikes against tank columns advancing on Benghazi or engaging naval ships bombarding Benghazi," he said.

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  1. Any Means Necessary

    If only the United Nations could generate a Libyan earthquake followed by a tsunami followed by a nuclear crisis. That seems to successfully put everything else on hold.

    1. How about we start with a child prostitution ring and work our way up?

    2. Or we might be able to get someone to push Khaddafi down an elevator shaft, like we did with Benon Sevan’s auntie.

    3. I hear that the Illuminati can do that.

  2. I’m curious as to just what military assets will be used to impose a no-fly zone, target armored columns, and sink Libyan warships.

    Last I heard (and its been a week or so) the US didn’t even have a carrier in the Mediterranean. Are there major NATO strike groups warming up on airstrips in Italy that no one has mentioned before now? Is there a naval group steaming just over the horizon from Libya that has escaped everyone’s notice?

    Or is this whole thing carefully timed to make it look like the West did its best, darn it, but was just a little too late?

    1. clinton’s recent visit to eqypt was to gain agreement to use their nearby bases.

      1. Did they agree?

        What planes will be based there? How long will it take to get them there, get them fueled and armed, get them current targeting, and get them over the targets?

        This resolution strikes me as typical magical thinking, on par with the belief that outlawing X means X ceases immediately. I don’t think we have weeks, and may not even have days, to stop Gaddafi from taking Benghazi.

        1. Did they agree?

          We made them an offer they couldn’t refuse.

        2. However, slightly less magical thinking than President Obama’s declarations that “Gaddafi must go” or that “the noose is tightening.” As if the awesome power of his intonation alone would affect world events.

          1. More reverb!!

    2. Don’t you remember Iron Eagle? All we need are 2 F-16’s from the U.S. mainland and a KC-135 for aerial refueling.

      1. Not F-16s, but Stealth bombers were routinely commuting from the US during the Bosnia campaign.

        I’d imagine a rerun of Bosnia is what’s envisioned here. There’s the added advantage of the flatness of Libya making targets easier to acquire. The downside is that Libyan artillery, which is probably the target most crucial to keeping the rebels from getting crushed, is relatively mobile. Bases in Egypt or on carriers would probably be necessary to find and eliminate it all.

        1. Not F-16s, but Stealth bombers were routinely commuting from the US during the Bosnia campaign.

          My recollection is that after-action investigations showed little damage to military assets in Bosnia. Lots of decoys blown up, sure. What did the trick there was attacks on infrastructure, and it took weeks.

          1. Perhaps we’ll use all those bases we built in Iraq to bomb the shit out of Libya. You know, sunk cost and all.

    3. Suspenseful, ain’t it?

      I’m thinking pre-positioned cruise missiles. But … what to target?

    4. Last I heard (and its been a week or so) the US didn’t even have a carrier in the Mediterranean. Are there major NATO strike groups warming up on airstrips in Italy that no one has mentioned before now? Is there a naval group steaming just over the horizon from Libya that has escaped everyone’s notice?

      Technically the US could launch drones/missiles/planes/refuel planes from Ohio….everything it needs to take out Libya’s hard targets.

      Of course those type of assets are very expensive and presumably otherwise occupied with Irag/Afghanistan/defending US proper.

  3. hear you had a good offer down on Third Avenue
    You tell me that was the reason
    For whatcha’ put me through, Yeah
    And now you come collapsin’ back
    I feel the heat of your attack
    Want me to take you back
    I’m givin’ you the sack
    So don’t waste your time

    It’s a Little Too Little
    It’s a Little Too Late
    I’m a Little Too Hurt
    And there’s nothin’ left that I’ve gotta say
    You can cry to me baby
    But there’s only so much I can take
    Ah, it’s a Little Too Little
    It’s a Little Too Late

    http://www.justsomelyrics.com/…..ate-Lyrics

  4. FUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK!!!!

  5. But, but, but I thought the UN spent all its time picking on poor wittle Iswael.

    1. It does. This is a drop in the bucket of time compared to that spent obsessing on fictional Israel ‘crimes’.

  6. I’ll be interested to see how Obama reacts, and what the effect on his popularity is, if Gaddafi takes Benghazi and slaughters thousands while NATO tries to figure out how the hell its going to save them.

    Remember: once Gaddafi enters Benghazi, air power becomes useless.

    1. Remember: once Gaddafi enters Benghazi, air power becomes useless.

      We’ll just have to destroy the village to save it. 8-(

    2. Helicopters and A-10s.

      F-16/15 for SEAD.

      1. Who the hell are you?

      2. Helicopters and A-10s.

        Pretty short-ranged. Based in Egypt, if anywhere. To repeat: Which ones? How long?

    3. and what the effect on his popularity is, if Gaddafi takes Benghazi and slaughters thousands while NATO tries to figure out how the hell its going to save them.

      Well, I can’t speak for Obama’s reaction, but as I said in another thread, I can tell you that we’ll probably get documentaries about how many people we let die– with Bono making comments about standing by with water while Africa burns.

      1. Well, we will at least get to see how much better everyone likes it when America doesn’t interfere.

        1. We can’t win.

          We interfere, we get Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran…

          We don’t interfere we get Rwanda, Darfur, Tibet…

          1. I think we pretty much won in Grenada and Panama.

            1. You’re fucking up the narrative.

              Although I do remember quite a few howls of protest over our invasion of Grenada and Panama. They just petered out when we up and left.

          2. We don’t interfere we get Rwanda, Darfur, Tibet…

            We can lose. Rwanda, Darfur, Tibet are not our losses.

            Simple logic says we should not risk a loss when there is no way to win.

            1. We can lose. Rwanda, Darfur, Tibet are not our losses.

              Explain that to these guys.

              1. Explain that to these guys.

                I was responding to what you wrote…

                So I assumed I was.

                You are the same left wing, statist, marginal, incoherent, nut job Paul that posts here regulatory right?

    4. You keep mentioning NATO. This was a UN resolution.

      Either the US will enforce the resolution or NATO will or some EU nation will or no one will.

      The point being that NATO is not the limiting factor….though in the end it may be the fall man.

  7. After tonight’s shit it’ll be the INsecurity Council.

  8. Since UN Forces usually means US Forces, it looks like we got another quagmire to deal with!

    My reason for wanting to stay out of Iraq was because I knew something like this would come up sooner or later; Saddam was a piece of shit but there was a lot worse out there like our new playmate Colonel Gaddafi. If the USA is gonna play cop then we need to be careful on NOT taking on everything that comes down the road like a nymphomaniac hooker!

    I am sooo tired of learning my geography and world history via Congressional Circle Jerks!

  9. If only they were playing the NCAA tournament in Tripoli maybe our illustrious leader would actually do something. Anything.

    At this point I would have more respect for Obama if he would come down decisively against any military action simply because then he would at least be making a decision. I wouldn’t agree with it but at least it would be SOMETHING.

    Instead of…..what the fuck does this guy actually DO all day, anyways?

    1. Well, there’s golf, playing with the puppy, state dinners, IM’ing Michelle and the kids, avoiding Hillary… I manage to stay plenty busy, don’t you worry about that.

  10. I wonder if our progressive friends remember the whole separation of powers concept. They seemed to understand it a little during Bush jr’s reign, but I’m concerned that they’ve forgotten it. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Obama describe himself as “The Decider” and Daily Kos to shout Hear! Hear!

    1. If the UN wants it, it must be constitutional.

    2. Good point.

      Has Congress declared war/authorized the use of force on Libya? If not, then where does the authority to enter into this little rhubarb come from?

      1. Exactly. How many divisions does the UN have?

        1. Exactly. How many divisions does the UN have?

          Strangely, exactly as many as the U.S. has…

          1. Strangely, exactly as many as the U.S. has…

            Odd coincidence, that.

        2. Are we channeling Uncle Joe?

        3. Exactly. How many divisions does the UN have?

          I think they should send in the IPCC.

          1. Or maybe the ICC. They can be judge, jury and executioner all in one. Less hassle than a prolonged war crimes trial years down the road.

      2. So you agree with Sens. Lugar (R-IN) and Corker (R-TN), then?

        Part of the problem is that the President doesn’t know if he wants to ask Congress for a declaration of war or not:

        “Do you all feel you need to come to us for a declaration of war or not? I mean, you have to be talking about that.”

        Replied [Undersecretary of State] Burns: It’s a very important question; I can’t answer it for you right now, honestly, but we certainly owe you an answer to that.”

        1. Damn right I agree the President must ask congress for a declaration of war before going to war with Libya.

          1. Obviously so. But since the President doesn’t know what he thinks, much less his staff knows, Congress can’t be expected to know. Members of Congress have been asking for the President to state his policy on Libya since the thing started, but he’s preferred to sit around talking ambiguously so that he could claim credit if it succeeded, leaving everyone to wonder if we plan to do anything or not.

            I mean, what does “Gaddafi *must* go” mean? “Must” implies that we’re going to do something about it. Are we? No one has any clue with this guy– but that was obvious back with his 2008 campaign.

            Same stupid shit he’s doing with the budget debate too. Just wants to float above it all and claim credit for whatever is good, disclaim blame for whatever bad.

            1. It’s a carry over from the Chicago years. He says “Alphonse must go”, then Alphonse is no more.

              1. “What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?” was a lot more clear.

                1. Who is his Becket?

                2. Violent rhetoric!

  11. naval ships

    Ugh. Nails on a fucking chalkboard.

    1. NAVEL SHIPS?

    2. Well, clearly it’s to distinguish from our fleet of dirigible airships and our well-armed spaceships.

    3. There are Army ships:
      http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/army.htm

      And according to Wiki, the USAF operates 3 ships in the Gulf of Mexico.

      1. And according to Wiki, the USAF operates 3 ships in the Gulf of Mexico.

        Their crews are all drunk on Margaritas.

    4. Coast guard?

      Merchant Marines?

  12. FUCK YOU GET YOURSELVES A CHINESE TASK FORCE.

  13. So I guess now a UN resolution substitutes for a congressional Declaration of War. At least Bush had the decency to get congress to authorize the use of force while he was ‘shredding the Constitution’. I wonder how Obama will respond to this UN resolution?

    1. Actually, I like Tim’s formulation @ 4:32PM better.

  14. Fuck you, Eurotrash. We are not your goddamn enforcers. You want to protect your oil supply? Fight your own fucking battles. You have planes and bombs and all the other shit. Mother fuckers shit all over us for Iraq, but now that they want us to get our hands dirty to protect their own interests. Fuck. This. Shit.

      1. I think we’ve witnessed the birth of a great and most useful acronym–FTS.

        Well done, sir, well done.

        1. Actually, a friend of mine coined the acronym FTS during a poker game in 2006. After I exclaimed Fuck This Shit loudly upon losing a hand, he replied “FTS indeed”. Great guy!

    1. Fuckin A!

      Go get ’em Frenchie!

    2. But we’re too busy drinking coffee in tiny little cups in open-air cafes. Besides, we’re on strike.

    3. 1000X THIS. ^fuck this shit^ Europe needs to fix their own backyard.

    4. The French initiate action against Libya with the demand that Libyans take Italy as alies.

    5. I wouldn’t call the EU Eurotrash. The UK sent thousands of troops to help us in Iraq.

      Even so, I think it is best for France and the UK to take the lead on Libya and supply most of the military force. It is time for Europe to become a superpower in its own right instead of staying under the USA’s wings.

    6. You took the words right from me. You know the instant a US strike goes and kills a civilian-as is inevitable in war-America will get the fingerwag treatment from the Eurocunts. Why can’t they do this if they want it so bad? Oh right they underfunded their military while the US covered for it.

  15. Seriously man, the frogs have the Legion. Send those sick bastards in. They will kick the fucking stuffing out of Libya and enjoy it immensely.

  16. Well, Qaddafi was just on the radio threatening to wipe out a city of 500,000.

    It’s a tough call.

    1. But even though they’re “African”, they’re not black, so I don’t care.

      1. Yeah it’s not like they’re African- Africans.

  17. British forces could be in action over Libya as early as Friday, if a UN resolution is agreed, a senior government source has told the BBC.

    BBC political editor Nick Robinson said the source stressed talks were continuing and it could take longer but would be within days of a yes vote

  18. The timing is exquisite. Here’s a scenario:

    (1) UN votes to use force Thursday night.

    (2) Gaddafi enters Benghazi Friday morning.

    (3) The first handful of planes show up Friday afternoon, chase off warships, circle city while battle rages.

    (4) Friday night, no-fly zone bombing starts, finishes Saturday morning. Brutal house-to-house fighting continues in Benghazi, to which Libyan air assets would have been irrelevant.

    (5) Saturday evening: Roads to Benghazi from Tripoli cut. Night-time supply runs across desert largely unaffected.

    (6) Wednesday: Emergency releif forces land near Benghazi. Gaddafi mercenaries filter back to Tripoli, carrying heads of rebel leaders as trophies.

    1. Quaddaffffi’s son said essentially that yesterday in a broadast on Libyan TV. He essentially said that a no-fly zone would be irrelevant because they’d already be in Benghazi before the U.N. could enforce it.

    2. I don’t think entering Benghazi will be that easy. They’re having difficulty entering Misurata.

  19. The resolution would impose a no-fly zone over Libya ? but a no-fly zone was no longer enough, the source said. “The resolution authorises air strikes against tank columns advancing on Benghazi or engaging naval ships bombarding Benghazi,” he said.

    Well that was entirely foreseeable.

    If the UN has its way it will have US troops on the ground in less then a month.

    And when the media turns against military intervention in under a year it will be the US not the UN which will get the blame.

    1. No fucking shit. And as soon as civilians get killed by one of our bombs the usual suspects will be all over us like stink on shit about TEH WAR CRIMES!!!11!. I would take back everything bad I’ve ever said about Obama if he got up in front of the UN and told the frogs and dagos to go fist themselves.

      1. I would take back everything bad I’ve ever said about Obama if he got up in front of the UN and told the frogs and dagos to go fist themselves.

        Seconded. Of course he would have to have a fucking clue in the first place.

        1. Seconded. Of course he would have to have a fucking clue in the first place.

          We may get lucky on this point. His general fecklessness my win the day and keep us the fuck out of the picture.

          One can only hope.

          1. Guy has more waffles in a day then I could get in a Waffle House and I’m the one fucking TWO of it’s waitresses!

    2. “Under a year”? You’re an optimist.

      Oma’s Favorite Grandson

      1. Media includes “conservative” outlets such as Fox news, the new york post, and Rush.

        If they see blood in the water that can hurt Obama they will go after it…..and if they push far enough long enough the left wing media will follow.

        Even the left wing media cannot ignore a man bite dog story forever.

  20. Is this the “test” Biden was talking about?

    1. Well, you must admit it’s a Big Fucking Deal.

      1. That’s what it says on my boxers!

  21. UN approves no-fly zone over Libya

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lib…..cm92ZXNubw

    1. Let me guess, the US will get stuck with most of this with some help from NATO and token help from everyone else.

      1. Correction, NATO has not agreed to this yet so it might be the US, France, Britain and maybe a few others

  22. Hopefully, no Americans are killed fighting to secure France and Italy’s oil supply. Goddamitsomuch.

    1. Dirty Jonny (sitting in the back of class): FUCK THE FRENCH!!!

      Teacher (sitting up front at her desk): WHO THE HELL SAID THAT?

      Dirty Jenny (sitting next to Dirty Jonny): GENERAL PATTON!!!

  23. Qaddaffi vs. the UN?

    I hope both lose!

    1. UN = US with blue helmets.

      1. I’d just love to see what country the guys with purple helmets serve…

  24. You cross this line, you die.

    1. I know an atomic fuck ton worth of US Submariners who can prove otherwise!

  25. So… where are the whiny Dems when it’s one of their own doing an illegal war?

    1. Cindy Sheehan – what’s she up to these days? Weird – never hear from her anymore 🙁

      1. She’s doing the same ant-war thing as always, and didn’t stop just because Bush was gone, but yeah, you don’t “hear” about it anymore, do you? Not since Obama was elected.

        1. Those lefties no longer like me because I call out their idol Barry over his war-mongering. They think I’m a wacko.

  26. You know who else was committed to using any means necessary…

    1. Let me be clear.

      Oh! I know this one! Malcolm X!

  27. Has Congress declared war/authorized the use of force on Libya? If not, then where does the authority to enter into this little rhubarb come from?

    Well, I suppose under the 1973 War Powers Resolution, Obama would have to notify congress within 48 hours of having US forces sent into combat, and get approval within 60 days. That is if the President decides to have US forces help enforce the no-fly zone. Under international law, a Security Council resolution does not commit US troops, but merely authorizes any country that wants to enforce the no-fly zone to do so. In theory, the US could say “OK people, you have your resolution. Anyone who wants to enforce it have at it, but we will sit this one out”.

    I would say the best approach would be to try to negotiate a cease-fire between the two sides, possibly with a UN peacekeeping force to monitor it (the blue helmets would not necessarily have to be supplied by the US). The US could use the threat of vigorous action under the resolution to get Qaddafi to agree to the truce; while telling the rebels that if they refuse a cease-fire, the US might stay its hand and allow them to be crushed.

    A cease-fire would give the rebels a chance to explain their grievances and what kind of government they wish to establish; while buying the world some time to figure out what to do next. I am not sure what kind of compromise would be possible between the two sides if the rebels are demanding he step down and he is refusing (he can’t really half resign). I suppose the international community could order an election be held (administered not by Qaddafi’s people, of course, but by the UN or some impartial body, and with safeguards in place to ensure fairness). I suspect Qaddafi would lose any fair election, and perhaps the rebels would be amenable to getting rid of him that way, especially if it looks like their only other option is to lose a civil war. I would also like to hear from the rebels about what kind of constitution they have in mind in terms of protection for free speech and individual rights.

  28. I think the USA should let the UK and France supply the military might to keep the peace in Libya. Any Americans who believe that they need our help are free to join the French Foreign Legion.

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