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Politics

The New Age Assassin

Jesse Walker | 1.12.2011 1:08 PM

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ABC has interviewed Zach Osler, a friend of the Tucson shooter Jared Lee Loughner. If you're trying to decipher Loughner's worldview, Osler's comments offer two important clues.

First: Osler flatly rejects the theory that the killer was driven by the political rhetoric found on cable news and AM radio. Loughner, he says,

did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn't listen to political radio. He didn't take sides. He wasn't on the left. He wasn't on the right.

Second: Loughner turns out to be a fan of Zeitgeist, a feature-length online documentary that is one-third arguments that Jesus never existed and religion is an evil fraud, one-third 9/11 trutherism, and one-third conspiracy theories about bankers. There's been a lot of speculation out there about one of Loughner's comments on YouTube, "I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!" -- a sentence that may sound like something a gold bug would say, except that Loughner was also prone to describing strange schemes for an "infinite source of currency," which is precisely the sort of suggestion gold standard advocates would reject. His interest in Zeitgeist clears things up a bit. The movie belongs to the old money-crank tradition, which stretches from the Greenback Party to the Social Credit movement and from Ezra Pound to Alan Watts. The film's chief argument against the Fed is that it is a private institution that profits by lending money at interest; the filmmaker prefers an "interest-free independent currency" that isn't created by private banks.

Is this left-wing or right-wing? Money cranks come in both flavors, but in the case of Zeitgeist the labels "left" and "right" are pretty useless descriptors. The best label would probably be "New Age paranoia." If you've ever gone browsing in an occult bookstore (and you really should; it's like browsing in a science fiction bookstore, only the authors really believe the stories they're writing, or pretend to), you may have seen a shelf labeled "conspiracies" right alongside the sections marked "astrology" or "Tarot." People who write about fringe politics often miss the extent to which New Agers serve as a transmission belt, allowing ideas from the left, the right, and the counterculture -- not to mention more outré folks like the UFO buffs -- to slide from one subculture to another.

Zeitgeist obviously isn't the end of this story. Loughner may have been influenced by the picture, but he incorporated its ideas into his own crazycakes combination (which also seems to include an obsession with lucid dreaming and an interest in Philip K. Dick-style reality-bending movies such as Donnie Darko and A Scanner Darkly). The most important point here is that it's a mug's game to try to fit this guy into a neat little category like "right" or "left." Like many killers and would-be killers before him, Loughner belongs to the very far end of the political long tail.

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Jesse Walker is books editor at Reason and the author of Rebels on the Air and The United States of Paranoia.

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  1. Hazel Meade   14 years ago

    I was sorta thinking "anarchist conspiracy freak", myself. Someone of them are pretty hard to distinguish from schizophrenics.

    1. "Libertarian" Disclaimer   14 years ago

      Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    2. JD   14 years ago

      With the conspiracy freaks, there tends to be some logic which makes sense from a like-minded point of view, as well as some internal consistency.

      Loughner's writings, on the other hand, are textbook paranoid schizophrenic. Remember the post from yesterday--even the other posters on the UFO conspiracy board where he posted questioned his sanity.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   14 years ago

    It seems pointless to use the Loughner shootings to demonize conspiracy theorists.

    (Pointless for you and me, that is. They will get the point.)

    1. Brandybuck   14 years ago

      I'll demonize them then. They only thing missing for most conspiracy theorists to go off on a shooting rampage like this is that they've been taking their meds.

      Their entire worldview centers around government being the source of all evil, and that if only people would wake up it would all be fixed. Many genuinely believe that the government is out to kill them for "exposing the truth". How big of a step is it from there to shooting a congressman in a weird twisted perception of self defense?

  3. JW   14 years ago

    did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn't listen to political radio. He didn't take sides. He wasn't on the left. He wasn't on the right.

    That's nice. Who do you think we should believe? His closest friend or the puppet masters in the mainstream media who clearly know better?

    1. Mike M.   14 years ago

      Pshaw. Has this Zach Osler kid won a Nobel Prize in Economics? I think not!

      1. Mr. FIFY   14 years ago

        I'll bet Osler's gotten death threats from liberals, though...

      2. Krugtard   14 years ago

        Quit making fun of me! I have a very important piece in the Magazine this weekend (only 12 pages however). Euro-snooze!

    2. John   14 years ago

      But they know the proper narative JW. Don't let your bourgeouis facts get in the way.

    3. OhioOrrin   14 years ago

      yea i can see where the CLOSEST FRIEND of a mass murderer is to be believed w/o reservation.

      1. SugarFree   14 years ago

        Please don't be his porn.

        1. Jesus   14 years ago

          Pleads the guy who, ironically, become his porn.

          1. SugarFree   14 years ago

            You owe me 5 bucks, Jesus. Did you think I'd forget, you besandaled hipster? Pay up or shut up.

            1. Jesus   14 years ago

              See Judas. He has my silver. 30 pieces, minus expenses.

  4. Brett L   14 years ago

    Can we ban patchouli and crystals now?

    1. Charlotte Sometimes   14 years ago

      And wheatgrass? And those jingly ankle bracelets?

  5. P Brooks   14 years ago

    Loughner was also prone to describing strange schemes for an "infinite source of currency," which is precisely the sort of suggestion gold standard advocates would reject.

    "Completely antithetical" is the description which springs to mind. But that won't stop the SPLC from making him Ron Paul's long-lost bastard son.

    1. James   14 years ago

      Isn't that what Greenspan and Bernanke advocate?

      1. Troll   14 years ago

        Threadwinner!

        1. Jonah the Whale   14 years ago

          "infinite source of currency" is definitely a progressive, left-wing fantasy.

  6. Barely Suppressed Rage   14 years ago

    Hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good meme - clearly, this guy was motivated by angry, right-wing rhetoric and violent imagery.

    Let's just stick with what we know, ok?

  7. hmm   14 years ago

    Kitteh tries to hide from the massacrebating.

    1. Dagny T.   14 years ago

      Google sez: Your search - "massacrebating" - did not match any documents.

      You have coined the best portmanteau of 2011.

      1. Joe M   14 years ago

        The year is young, but that is pretty amazing.

        1. Derp   14 years ago

          Yeah, that is a really weird one.

  8. Dagny T.   14 years ago

    Re. Social Credit: Canadian politics are weird. And as this latest Loughner connection shows, also contribute to the CULTUR OF VIOLENZ!!1! FIRE IN CROWDED THEATUR!!11!

    1. John Thacker   14 years ago

      The Social Credit party in most provinces evolved into something that had very little relationship with the original Social Credit movement's ideas.

    2. robc   14 years ago

      I tried to read the link to "social credit" from inside that page.

      And my brain broke.

      Seems like a few good concepts combined with some gawdawful economics and surrounded by a bunch of gobbilygook that made no sense at all.

      Did I get the gist?

      1. MNG   14 years ago

        "Seems like a few good concepts combined with some gawdawful economics and surrounded by a bunch of gobbilygook that made no sense at all."

        The link is to one of your posts?

  9. transmission suspenders anarch   14 years ago

    People who write about fringe politics often miss the extent to which New Agers serve as a transmission belt, allowing ideas from the left, the right, and the counterculture -- not to mention more outr? folks like the UFO buffs -- to slide from one subculture to another.

    Sounds a bit like libertarianism (leaving the unmentionables unmentioned).

  10. Mike Laursen   14 years ago

    OK, I think I've officially hit my saturation point. I'm surprised it took this long. Can someone write about some other topic?

    1. robc   14 years ago

      Same for me. Monday.

    2. MWG   14 years ago

      Have you heard about the Ground Zero Mosque?

  11. SugarFree   14 years ago

    The trailer is mostly the standard anti-capitalist "It's the system, man" claptrap. I wonder if I could make it through the whole thing.

    1. Episiarch   14 years ago

      You won't know until you smoke a ton of weed, make a bunch of curry popcorn, and give it a shot, dude.

      1. H   14 years ago

        mmmm,curry popcorn. Ohhhhhhh.

    2. Dagny T.   14 years ago

      For me, the line of tolerability has to do with the level of the ramblecrazy. Garden variety corporashun-hatin' is way too boring.

      1. waffles   14 years ago

        Yeah! It at least has to top ancient alien overlords trapping souls in volcanoes to get me the least bit interested.

    3. Slut Bunwalla   14 years ago

      Some gallery around here had a showing of one of the Zeitgeist films. A friend of mine was really excited about it. He tried to get me to go but I said no thanks. He went. I don't think he's mentioned it since. I'm hoping he just didn't realize how stupid the whole thing was until he actually saw it.

  12. Hobie Hanson   14 years ago

    Whether this guy was receptive to right wing radio isn't important. What's important is that the next one might be.

    1. OhioOrrin   14 years ago

      u mean like the teabaggers?

      1. Watch it Hobie   14 years ago

        Your fearless leader Obama is bringin' his gun. I believe he's ready to use it.

    2. sevo   14 years ago

      ^?

      1. sevo   14 years ago

        That was aimed at hh, but looks like I got a two-fer hit on ignoramuses.

        1. R C Dean   14 years ago

          Its a target-rich environment these days.

          1. SFC B   14 years ago

            Will Saletan is right! You can't trust people to use their weapons safely!

            ^control in 2011!

        2. SIV   14 years ago

          Just one. They're both Dan T.

      2. Hobie Hanson   14 years ago

        After 9/11, we didn't just ban boxcutters from planes and reinforce cockpit doors. We took a long hard look at all the vulnerabilities present in our air traffic system and our society in general, and scalpeled them out.

        We shouldn't be deceived into thinking that because things happened a certain way this time, we only need to prevent those circumstances the next time. We have to make sure no circumstances that lead to danger happen next time.

        1. Joe M   14 years ago

          Concern troll is concerned.

          1. Troll   14 years ago

            Without HitnRun, my life would be an empty, meaningless place. Thank you, all of you, er, folks.

            1. Watch it Hobie   14 years ago

              You sound like someone has taken a scalpel to your frontal lobe.

              1. Hobie Hansen   14 years ago

                It was more like a halberd than a scalpel.

        2. sevo   14 years ago

          shorter hh:
          'After the shooting, we need to outlaw speech I don't like'
          Take a hike, asshole.

        3. Trespassers W   14 years ago

          I got a flat tire this weekend. It wasn't attributable to the tone of political discourse, but next time it could be.

        4. I Montoya   14 years ago

          That example, I don't think it illustrates what you think it illustrates.

        5. John Thacker   14 years ago

          We shouldn't be deceived into thinking that because things happened a certain way this time, we only need to prevent those circumstances the next time. We have to make sure no circumstances that lead to danger happen next time.

          The only way to absolutely prevent Democratic Party Congressmen from being shot is to never elect any Democrats again.

          Or was that your point?

        6. JD   14 years ago

          After 9/11, we didn't just ban boxcutters from planes and reinforce cockpit doors. We took a long hard look at all the vulnerabilities present in our air traffic system and our society in general, and scalpeled them out.

          Which is why Islam is now prohibited in the US.

        7. East Bay Jay   14 years ago

          Yup, it took them more than 9 long years but we now have success. Airline terrorism has been fully stopped by repeated, gratutious junk grabbing. Good thing because plan B was to tase everyone's junk and my junk gets grumpy when I stick it in the light socket so I wouldn't be able to fly anymore.

        8. Shorter Hobie Hanson   14 years ago

          We must get rid of free speech.

        9. Bradley   14 years ago

          We took a long hard look at all the vulnerabilities present in our air traffic system and our society in general, and scalpeled them out.

          HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  13. TheZeitgeist   14 years ago

    Hey! Stupid tin-foil hatters stealing my good name...

  14. R C Dean   14 years ago

    If you've ever gone browsing in an occult bookstore (and you really should; it's like browsing in a science fiction bookstore, only the authors really believe the stories they're writing, or pretend to),

    I can personally attest to the entertainment value of Masons/Templars/ancient aliens/ conspirasizing.

    Also, I am embarrassed that I didn't think of this:

    massacrebating

    And you should be, too.

  15. Johnny Longtorso   14 years ago

    I can personally attest to the entertainment value of Masons/Templars/ancient aliens/ conspirasizing.

    Jackie Mason is an ancient alien? That explains a lot.

  16. SugarFree   14 years ago

    15 minutes in. About 13 minutes of that was just urgent-sounding 8-bit video game soundtrack over strobing images of war. And then it starts talking about Egyptian religion.

    1. Episiarch   14 years ago

      If you go on a shooting spree, can I have your grill?

      1. SugarFree   14 years ago

        Yes.

        39 minutes in. "Jesus is a myth, blah, blah, blah. It's all about control, man."

        I don't really disagree with the analysis of the construction of the Jesus narrative in order to make Christianity more palatable to pagan converts. But the conscious use of it to control people for 2000 years is silly. All religions are built on the same foundations as New Ageism... there is a mix of true believers, half-believers that live unexamined lives, and a few assholes here and there who directly profit. They haven't really reinvented the wheel with this film.

        Up next: Trutherism!

        1. SugarFree   14 years ago

          I'm going to be completely honest. As soon as the Truther section started off with a stuttering montage of the 2nd plane hitting (10 different shoots) that was paced just like, and scored in a rip off manner, as Nine Inch Nails' "Mr. Self-Destruct," I just started fast forwarding.

          It was all Booosh!

          1. Episiarch   14 years ago

            It's very selfless of you to sample this film for us. Any chance I'll be getting that grill?

            1. SugarFree   14 years ago

              So, the central flaw in this guy's monetary theory is that his grand scheme complete ignores the fact that money is used to purchase goods and services. That's a pretty big flaw.

              1. Episiarch   14 years ago

                So that's a no.

              2. Paul Krugman   14 years ago

                Sounds reasonable to me.

    2. alan   14 years ago

      And, of course, it had to be done:

      Chiptune artist Brendan "Inverse Phase" Becker released a parody written for 8-bit Nintendo hardware on September 27, 2010. The lyrics were changed to that of a forlorn NES singing to its owner that had forsaken it for a Sega Genesis.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_You_(Cee_Lo_Green_song)

      As a long time member of the demo scene, I really should give this a looksee.

    3. shrike   14 years ago

      Doesn't matter. Loughner is still a right-wing Christ-fag. Ed Schultz said it, so I believe it.

  17. Arthur Bremer   14 years ago

    I suppose he has a book of unpublished verse on his hard drive.

  18. Steve   14 years ago

    Julian Assange weighs in?

    NOTE: There is no truth to the rumors that 4-Loko was involved and no sheep can be confirmed to have been harmed.

  19. P Brooks   14 years ago

    We took a long hard look at all the vulnerabilities present in our air traffic system and our society in general, and scalpeled them out.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Whee, that was fun.

  20. yonemoto   14 years ago

    "I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver"

    I don't know too many gold bugs that would say that, most are quite happy to pay debt in fiat money. It's the receiving debt in fiat money they wouldn't like.

    1. SugarFree   14 years ago

      I think that sentiment is here in the film. In this particular paranoid construct, "debt" is not plain old "debt" but rather the sole purpose of money. Money only exists to create debt, defined as the interest a loan generates. He's advocating a metal-based currency only in the sense that "real" money should be backed by the sum total of the wealth of the material resources of the planet, including all plant and animal life and the "health of the ocean."

      1. yonemoto   14 years ago

        Sure, I mean, that's the position that I happen to agree with, but I'm not a "gold bug". (I happen to think gold will go back down to 800-1000 USD per within the next two years).

      2. yonemoto   14 years ago

        actually, I got the sense that in his videos Jared was advocating replacing monetary currency with the "infinite currency" of language, or ideas, or something like that, being that both language and currency were social, somewhat fictional constructs. I could see how it could make sense to someone that is insane, but I'm already, half in half out myself...

        1. SugarFree   14 years ago

          I was referring the Zeitgeist film. It's pretty hard to figure out what they are advocating, though.

          Why can't crazy people just stick to the classics, like digging up dog corpses to fuck or the simple joys of self-castration?

          1. Episiarch   14 years ago

            Don't forget cutting off your own ear and giving it to a girl to "impress" her.

          2. IceTrey   14 years ago

            The Fed, a private institution, loans money to the government, which it creates out of thin air, with interest. The government then pays that interest with more money it borrows from the Fed, with interest. It's a never ending cycle. There's no way for the government to ever get even. How hard is that to understand? The movie advocates the Treasury just issuing money directly which would be interest free.

            1. IceTrey   14 years ago

              correction:

              "...loans money, which it creates out of thin air,..."

            2. SugarFree   14 years ago

              But what does the Earth being hollow have to do with it?

              1. IceTrey   14 years ago

                About as much as this non sequitur has to do with it.

            3. yonemoto   14 years ago

              you could get the same thing with less crazy from "money is debt". Although the "money is debt" proposes an equally unsustainable solution (have interest payments go directly to the government, with the attendant inflation and monetary bubbles, etc).

              1. yonemoto   14 years ago

                * by which I mean asset bubbles.

  21. Justin M   14 years ago

    I bet this a-hole loved Inception... Leo made him do it

  22. Donnie Darko   14 years ago

    is a stupid fucking movie. That is all.

    1. Tulpa   14 years ago

      Any movie with talking animals telling you to kill people is OK in my book.

      "There are a lot of dogs on that route, but all they ever told me was to lay off the snacks." -- Newman on taking over Son of Sam's mail route after he was arrested

  23. Hazel Meade   14 years ago

    Also, I think I've figured out what he meant by "conscious dreaming".

    That is (IMO) waking hallucinations. In other words, he interpreted his hallucinations, a result of schizophrenia, as waking dreams. He believed that his hallucinations were really his ability to enter a conscious dreaming state which he could construct and control mentally.

  24. Gene Berkman   14 years ago

    New Age bookstores and publishers do promote some very far out conspiracy theories, and have also promoted the sale of books by outright fascists and nazi mystics.

    Julius Evola was an Italian who spent the war in Germany, and denounced the Italian Fascists for not being Nazi-like, His books have finally been published in English by a well established New Age publisher.

    1. Xtab   14 years ago

      Yes, I've seen this too. I've popped in the local New Age bookstore a few times, and know something about the radically different and really far out there titles. Mostly mysticism, oriental religion, UFOs, tarot books, astrology, but also the occasional radical Islamist book or David Icke book on the Protocols but-they're-really-reptiles-not-Jews-but-the-Jews-are-involved-too mindfuck books.

      There's also this store, in Austin, Texas: http://dtocmedia.com/bnb/

      It's next to the local libertarian office. Often, you'd think the people who shop there and hang out there are leftists. They're not the kind of leftists hanging out up the road at the anarchist shop, but they seem that way. But then you see the far right nationalist American Free Press sitting out for sale, and the Alex Jones DVDs...

    2. dhex   14 years ago

      evola was so much weirder than that, with his elevation of capital-t "Tradition" above even nationalist and racial concerns.

  25. CE   14 years ago

    ...not to mention more outr? folks like the UFO buffs...

    Actually, if you go by percentages of the population, UFO believers are much less "outre" than the conspiracy theory types, right or left.

  26. Otis   14 years ago

    "Why", you ask? "Why" is not the question. How? Now, that is a question worth examining. How could I, being born of such, uh... conventional stock, arrive a leader of the rebellion? An escapist from a conformist world, destined to find happiness only in that which cannot be explained? I brought you here for a reason, but unfortunately you and your sentimental minds are doing me no good! My brain is frozen. Locked! I have to break free from this culture of mechanical reproductions and the thick encrustations dying on the surface!

  27. Robert   14 years ago

    One thing about money cranks, though: They all know much more than the avg. well-informed and civically-engaged person about current and past money and banking practices. Their theories may not be strong in predictive value, but their thinking should not be lightly dismissed. Much of the heritage of libertarian thought comes thru money crank tradition, viz. Proudhon, B.R. Tucker, Nock, and R.A. Wilson. Their prescriptions differed, but they were all critics of the banking privilege as it existed in their time & today.

    1. Bradley   14 years ago

      Fair, but it'd be giving Loughner way too much credit to interpret his one or two references to "gold and silver" as a coherent critique of the banking system. That phrase really seems to be the extent of his thought about it.

  28. Chris G   14 years ago

    Gripe: I fail to see how Alan Watts is a "money-crank" for understanding that money's purpose is as a measure of wealth, but not actually wealth itself.

  29. James   14 years ago

    zeitgeist is new age propaganda indeed! http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/

  30. Mike   14 years ago

    He's a left-wing, atheist pothead. All this talk about him not really having a political orientation is an attempt to cloud that. The left-wing pundits know damned well what he is.

  31. fallun   14 years ago

    You non-zeitgeist members sicken me with your counter garbage you poison the good people of the earth with. We DONT need govt, what we need is massive social change. we need an awakening but not so that NWO conspirators can feed and grow. Your the fool if you think it wont happen. the good ol' USA is on the front lines of this shit. Only you, each of you can make the right choice or doom yourselves with a unsustainable system. i plan on changing the world, you must then be my opposite, and keeping it all the same, and look how far that got you.

    think, and Open your mind to real solutions to world problems, not laws that delay them.

  32. Mary G.   14 years ago

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

  33. Warren Bonesteel   14 years ago

    "I doubt the pundit class will learn much from the experience."

    Funny how our words can come back to haunt us...

    I know you're pressed for space, Jesse, but even the 'long tail' reference was a bit of a stretch, in the context of madmen and mass murder.

    According to many in the pundit class, the denizens of "Reason" are among the members of the same 'long tail' you've just classified as belonging solely to Loughner, Bedell, Stack...and even, by extension, Rhapsody and microbreweries, among others...not to mention those pesky goldbugs.

    Sweeping generalisations, anyone?

    1. Jesse Walker   14 years ago

      According to many in the pundit class, the denizens of "Reason" are among the members of the same 'long tail' you've just classified as belonging solely to Loughner, Bedell, Stack

      I'm not sure where you're getting that "solely" from.

  34. backhoe   14 years ago

    It kind of reminds me of that old Robert Crumb cartoon...

    Scruffy looking little man, trucking down the street, ballon over his head says,

    "Dis, is a system?"

  35. charlos   14 years ago

    Loughner saw the movie based on "A Scanner Darkly" by Philip K. Dick? Dear God, I wish he had paid attention. Dick had a message in the novel and the movie, and the message was, if I may paraphrase, "Please, my friends, do not take illegal drugs. Here is a list of my friends who were killed or brain damaged by illegal drugs, and I include myself on that list."
    I have never taken illegal drugs myself, even once, and one reason is that I read that novel when it was first published.

  36. john   14 years ago

    Zach Osler, had not seen Jared Lee Loughner in two years. to blame a movie is insane, take a look around you, not that pretty out there is it! to have an opinion, you have to have at least seen peter josephs latest film, zeitgeist: moving forward. peacefull movement

    1. Jesse Walker   14 years ago

      to blame a movie is insane

      I agree.

  37. mesosok   14 years ago

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  38. Nike Dunk High   13 years ago

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