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Loughner Explanation Watch: Bad Metal Music

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Over at Salon, the headline for a Sarah Hepola essays says that the early 90s '00s grim metal song "Bodies" by Drowning Pool had its "encore" in Jared Loughner's murder spree, because he seems to have liked the song–his "favorite" YouTube video being one that featured the tune, which because of its grinding unpleasantness has also been used by the army to torture and unnerve people.

The tune has, you see, "a troubled past," that is to say, that various people who the author seems to disapprove of have liked or used it in ways that trouble her. She notes, "It's a sign of the shifting culture wars that little attention has been paid to Drowning Pool since the Arizona shooting on Saturday." Perhaps more a sign of the utter intellectual emptiness of any premise that connects a song on a soundtrack of a video someone liked with his committing murder.

Her last paragraph almost sounds as if she is pointing out the very absurdity of this entire article's premise, yet there is no sign of wit or irony in the rest of it. While this article is the silliest attempt to shift blame for the killings I've seen yet, I won't mark it as a sign of an intellectual or political culture gone mad with its attempts to deny the reality of individual evil choices–it's more a sign of a media culture in an age of abundance that has, at times, just far more space to fill than interesting or entertaining observations to fill it.

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  1. Well, the Army has also used the Meow Mix song for psych warfare. Better ban cat food.

    1. ban cats

      I kid, I kid!!!! I love pussies…

  2. if only we had listened to Tipper.

  3. Drowning Pool is an early 90s band?

  4. And drowning pool / meow mix mashup would potentially bring about the end times.

  5. Jared Lee Loughner made a choice and pulled the trigger. He bears the sole responsibility for his act.

    Whatever inputs went into his broken mind have no real relevance.

  6. “grinding unpleasantness”

    Best description of metal ever.

    1. and Judas Priest does not exist. what a dumbass you are.

  7. “Perhaps more a sign of the utter intellectual emptiness of any premise that connects a song on a soundtrack of a video someone liked with his committing murder.”

    You’re wrong and she’s exactly right!

    And this is precisely why we must ban “Catcher in the Rye”, before someone kills John Lennon again.

    1. Catcher almost killed me.

      From boredom.

      1. If a 200 page book about basic human emotion can’t keep you entertained, you should definitely check out this band called Drowning Pool. They’re probably right up your alley as far as tastes go.

        1. Are you “infinite diversity in infinite combinations?”

          1. I count three infinities.

            1. The third is the result of that combination of the first two, no?

              1. Back off, man; I’m an infiniticist.

        2. You mean two hundred pages of unrefined crap-for-thought and melodrama for emotion that makes an average monkey seem sentient in comparison.

    2. Butters: Kill John Lennon.

  8. I can connect Britney Spears to at least five killings. K-Fed amongst them. Prove me wrong!

    1. She’s killed my boner more than five times.

  9. I’m surprised no one has tried to connect this with the 5,000 blackbirds that died in Arkansas.

    1. Appocalypse Now

    2. now that you mention it….
      tie in the crab die off and you’ve got me…

    3. and, of course, the squirrels.

  10. How many have to die because of chartreuse????
    liqueur or color – either one.

    1. Hey, I’m just a patsy.

  11. Thanks for putting one of the worst songs of the last 10 years in my head. I will inflict something much worse on you.

    1. If I even mention “Cotton Eye Joe” you’ll get it stuck in your head.

      1. You fucking son of a bitch.

        1. This is one instance in which it IS okay to kill the messenger.

        2. Where did you come from where did you go?
          Where did you come from Cotton Eye Joe?

          1. Bomb Sweden.

          2. I’m not familiar with that tune. Sounds like I don not want to be.

        3. Mmm…time for some afternoon delight.

      2. Whyyyyyyyyy agggghhhh

      3. God-damn-it

      4. I see your “cotten-eye Joe” and raise you one “mmbop”

        1. Wake me up, before you go go.

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            1. Yer moterin’

            2. Want you to make me feel like I’m the only girl in the world
              Like I’m the only one that you’ll ever love

              1. Now shine on me sunshine
                Walk with me world
                It’s a skippedee-dooda day!
                I’m the happiest girl in the whole USA.

      5. We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons in the sun.

        1. I get knocked down…but I get up again…You’re never gonna keep me down…

          1. WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!?!

            1. Don’t go changing, to try and please me. You never let me down before. Don’t imagine you’re too familiar.

              1. You light up my life.

            2. That would be “WHOM let the dogs out”, in proper English. Learn it or I break out of jail and kill you.

      6. You mean the Rednex version, right?

        http://www.playlist.com/searchbeta/results/384985617

        mwahaha.

    2. What? It’s fun when you’re pissed off. That and Killing In the Name Of.

      1. Zach requests that you don’t forget his earlier stuff.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkJMOerx-HM

  12. Too many people on Facebook are callin’ the shooter “libertarian” or “libertarian–leaning”. I’d call ’em out on it but, man, I hate that FB scene.

  13. And Rammstein and Marilyn Manson were the masterminds behind the Columbine shootings. Hey, if ipods existed back then those artists would be on their favorites list. If facebook existed those guys would have “liked” those bands. My crystal balls say so!

  14. Fuck those guys. How about some Judas Priest (Wikipedia entry):

    “In the summer of 1990, the band was involved in a civil action that alleged they were responsible for the self-inflicted gunshot wounds in 1985 of 20-year old James Vance and 18-year old Raymond Belknap in Reno, Nevada, USA.[14] On 23 December 1985, Vance and Belknap, after hours of drinking beer, smoking marijuana and allegedly listening to Judas Priest music, went to a playground at a church in Reno with a 12-gauge shotgun to end their lives. Belknap was the first to place the shotgun under his chin. He died instantly after pulling the trigger. Vance was the next to follow suit but only blew away the lower half of his face. This was possibly because the weapon was slippery with blood.[15]

    The men’s parents and their legal team alleged that a subliminal message of “do it” had been included in the Judas Priest song “Better By You, Better Than Me” from the Stained Class album (actually a cover of a Spooky Tooth number). They alleged the command in the song triggered the suicide attempt.[14] The trial lasted from 16 July to 24 August 1990, when the suit was dismissed.[14] One of the defense witnesses, Dr. Timothy E. Moore, wrote an article for Skeptical Inquirer chronicling the trial.[14]

    The trial was covered in the 1991 documentary Dream Deceivers: The Story Behind James Vance Vs. Judas Priest. In the documentary, Halford commented that if they wanted to insert subliminal commands in their music, killing their fans would be counterproductive and they would prefer to insert the command “Buy more of our records.” Regarding the plaintiff’s assertions that the statement “do it” was a command to commit suicide, Halford pointed out “do it” had no direct message.”

    Rumour has it, Kurt Cobain killed himself after listening to one of his own albums.

      1. BREAKING THE LAW

        1. The sole reason I became a lawyer. Can I sue?

      2. He ought to have whipped out Maxwell’s Silver Hammer.

    1. What’s hilarious about Halford is that he’s dressed to the hilt with leather and studs and even a leather baseball hat, DRIVES A HARLEY ONSTAGE, then it’s a shock when he comes out of the closet. Good times.

      No homo.

    2. What’s hilarious about Halford is that he’s dressed to the hilt with leather and studs and even a leather baseball hat, DRIVES A HARLEY ONSTAGE, then it’s a shock when he comes out of the closet. Good times.

      No homo.

    3. What’s hilarious about Halford is that he’s dressed to the hilt with leather and studs and even a leather baseball hat, DRIVES A HARLEY ONSTAGE, then it’s a shock when he comes out of the closet. Good times.

      No homo.

    4. What’s hilarious about Halford is that he’s dressed to the hilt with leather and studs and even a leather baseball hat, DRIVES A HARLEY ONSTAGE, then it’s a shock when he comes out of the closet. Good times.

      No homo.

    5. What’s hilarious about Halford is that he’s dressed to the hilt with leather and studs and even a leather baseball hat, DRIVES A HARLEY ONSTAGE, then it’s a shock when he comes out of the closet. Good times.

      No homo.

      1. What’s also funning is how many of his lyrics take on a whole new meaning after that revelation.

        1. Got gleaming chrome, reflected steel
          Loaded, loaded
          Ready to take on every deal
          Loaded, loaded
          My pulse is racing, I’m hot to take
          This motor’s revved up, fit to break

      2. Did everyone get that?

        1. Four times? Really? What is wrong with you?

          1. I’ll try harder next time.

        2. Well, it does deserve deserve deserve deserve emphasis.

    6. Saw Priest in concert. Great show. Gotta love those Downing/Tipton dualing guitars. Oddly enough I didn’t go out afterwards and try and kill myself. But then again I’m not insane. Well I am, but not in that way:)

  15. I blame those bastions of right-wing sentiment, NOFX, and its hateful rhetoric.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8RDcG3hg9g

  16. I liked it better when we didn’t know anything about the mass murderers and sat around scratching our heads instead of this sort of soothsayer rifling through slaughtered goat entrails that we have now.

  17. Some people are born with their lives all laid out
    And all their success is assured
    Some people work had all their lives for nothin’
    They take it and don’t say a word
    They don’t say a word
    Sometimes it’s like I don’t even exist
    Even God has lost track of my soul
    Why else would he leave me out here like this
    To wander this world all alone

  18. I didn’t see Hepola’s article as an attempt to shift blame. I saw it just as an article about the song. It is possible to examine a song in relation to the events that it ends up being associated with, without blaming it for those events in question. It appeared to me that that was Hepola’s intention.

  19. And yet … there is more evidence that this song influenced Loughner, than that Palin’s crosshairs poster did.

    1. They were not crosshairs. They were surveyer’s marks, but don’t let the truth win out:

      http://bigjournalism.com/dloes…..rosshairs/

      1. Honestly, even if they were crosshairs, so what?

        This guy likely never even saw Palin
        s map.

        1. My point was that by calling Palin’s surveyer’s marks “crosshairs” as the media has been doing, makes all surveyers potential killers.

          1. It’s all part of a massive anti-civil engineer conspiracy.

            1. No doubt propagated by those snooty ass structural engineers.

      2. Sure, they were. Because the Republicans were…surveying the area to… build a… new foundation?

        No, seriously. They were crosshairs. And who gives a shit? They were aimed at districts, not people.

  20. Drowning Pool seems like a pretty random target. Based on all of the rhetoric over this incident I wonder why these people aren’t calling for this sociopaths release since evyone and everthing except him is responsible for this tradgedy.

  21. If any music has ever been responsible for murder I nominate modern pop.

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  23. Geez, I’d better hope that nobody sees what’s on my iPod, or they’ll lock me up preemptively.

    Based on what I listen to, clearly it’s merely a matter of time before I go out and shoot someone.

    1. We’re gonna miss him.

    2. More Tool; now with MOVE TO SOMALIA comments.

  24. So, the point of all this is that we need to keep an eye on Warty, our resident metal fan.

    1. I’m a metal fan, and I’m sure there are plenty more – Warty’s just all over the YouTube links to some bizarre stuff.

    2. Well, there’s no doubt that I’ll snap sooner or later, but killing the Hit and Run commentariat would just be way too much work. I can’t even imagine what I’d spend on gas.

      1. Travel via jetpack.

      2. [cough] cruise [cough]

        1. Oh, I have my plans for the cruise. Make sure to pack extra toilet paper if you’re going.

          1. Nah, that’s what all those guardrails are for. Hint: don’t grab them.

          2. I’m demanding a refund of my deposit as I type.

      3. Forget about finding those Hawaiians and ex-pats.

  25. With more than 28,000,000 views on youtube alone, I’d have expected alot more Drowning Pool violence by now.

  26. Can’t we just blame witches?

    1. since the most recent well known witch was a tea party candidate then yes, res we can.

  27. That guy in the Drowning Pool flag burning video is believed to be Loughner, right?

  28. I read the Salon piece a couple times and just didn’t get that Hepola was trying to use the Drowning Pool song as causative in any of the cases she cited.

  29. Can we ban Nickleback? They incite me to kill.

  30. First thing I though of: I can only count to four!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEmu8ylLtJs

  31. This thread notwithstanding, there is no evidence that “metal” music and heavy marijuana use rots your brain.

  32. This thread notwithstanding, there is no evidence that “metal” music and heavy marijuana use rots your brain.

  33. This thread notwithstanding, there is no evidence that “metal” music and heavy marijuana use rots your brain.

  34. This thread notwithstanding, there is no evidence that “metal” music and heavy marijuana use rots your brain.

    1. That’s disappointing. All those years gone to waste. So tell me what does rot your brain so I can start doing those things instead? Please say Porn.

  35. Riki Rachtman Explanation Watch: Bad Metal Music.

    Responsible for career suicide.

  36. I’m heading down to Carl’s Jr. with an AK. But first, I’m going to rack up a bunch of hits for Barney the Dinosaur videos on YouTube. Maybe some Snow White, get my Sleeping Beauty on. Dora the Explorer? Torrents baby, torrents.

    Then, when the MSM goes through my digital detritus looking for the cultural input to my crazed Burger King antics…well, I wonder what they’d think…

    Barney the Dinosaur, with his freakish pink corpulence and poor dentition, resembles Rush Limbaugh, the obvious inspiration for this Tea Partier…

  37. While this article is the silliest attempt to shift blame for the killings I’ve seen yet

    No way it is sillier than Frum’s
    “pot is to blame” article

  38. I think the real culprit is the shifting magnetic north pole, I’m amazed that the NYT hasn’t figured it out yet.

  39. Am I the only one thinking that they are barking up the wrong culture tree, and this actually was the ultimate live-action Dollhouse/Taxi Driver mashup?

    Think about it:
    Shooting a politician – Taxi driver
    Shaved head – Taxi Driver
    Obsession with mind control – Dollhouse
    Tuscon, AZ – Dollhouse’s climax episodes take place there

    The only question that remains was who was he trying to impress? Eliza Dushku, Summer Glau, or Dichen Lachman?

    1. Possibly Joss Whedon for his stellar work on Alien 4….But no one would be crazy enough to think that.

  40. “Won’t nobody help the naked man?”

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