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John Boehner, the Libertarian-Maker

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Earlier today, Nick Gillespie noted new Speaker of the House John Boehner fecklessness when it comes to thinking about how to cut spending. Turning his comic acid on Boehner, Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi frequently echoes how libertarians always think of partisan governance of whatever variety.

There's barely two reflexive liberal head-bows to the notion of "why doesn't Congress just do good for the little guy?," sops to his audience in what is mostly a righteous assault on government-as-it-is, and as how libertarians would note it pretty much always is and always will be. Some highlights:

Voters are fatigued…by the increasingly infuriating fact that no matter which party is in power, the leadership inevitably borrows like dice addicts on the Vegas strip and uses the money to pay for huge Frankensteinian initiatives that bloat the size and power of the federal government, often without semblance of sense or plan….

"Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act — practically any significant piece of legislation that came out of the Bush presidency, it was a joke," says Chris Littleton, who heads a coalition of 58 Tea Party groups in Boehner's home state of Ohio.

The anger of Tea Partiers like Littleton erupted when they suddenly realized that their elected leaders in Congress had developed a primary allegiance not to constituents back home or even to ideology, but to themselves and their own dissolute, pay-for-play, you-scratch-mine, I'll-scratch-yours intramural bureaucratic calculus….

[Boehner] crossed the aisle to co-author the No Child Left Behind Act, a grotesque and grotesquely expensive expansion of federal power that helped jack up the federal education budget by an astounding 80 percent in the first five years of Bush's presidency, then voted for the obscene Medicare Part D, a staggering $550 billion handout to the pharmaceutical industry — two portentous initiatives that helped turn the Republicans into the new party of big government…..

The Troubled Asset Relief Program — the $700 billion bailout of the absurdly irresponsible megabanks that got us into the financial crisis — is a classic example of what Boehner is all about, expressing perfectly his tenuous position vis-à-vis the hard-line anti-spending Tea Party base that thrust him into power. Boehner, who over the course of his political career has collected nearly $4 million from the finance and insurance sectors, backed TARP from the start, summoning his full rhetorical arsenal to argue for the bill.

Taibbi gets interesting on the tensions between the GOP powers that be such as Boehner and the Tea Party activists that the GOP depends on moving forward:

Boehner's irrepressible hackosity is a serious problem for the Republican establishment, which desperately needs a more convincing con man to stave off voter anger on the right. In this regard, the contrast between Boehner and Littleton, the Tea Party leader in Boehner's home state, is interesting. The two men live in the same place, the small township of West Chester near Cincinnati, so Littleton is very familiar with Boehner. But Littleton's opinion of the Republican establishment couldn't be lower: It was precisely programs like the Medicare drug benefit bill and No Child Left Behind, programs he considers unacceptably wasteful and intrusive, that moved him to get into politics. "These were all Republican programs," Littleton says. "If you look at Republican congressmen from Ohio, they all voted for this stuff."….

…in some states the Republican Party fought…fiercely against the Tea Party; in Ohio, the party spent nearly $1 million campaigning to stop Tea Party candidates from assuming jobs at the state level. "They hate us more than they hate the left," says Littleton. "The left's just an enemy. We present a legitimate threat to them."…

When Littleton met with party leaders after the election and asked what programs they are willing to cut, he was brushed aside. "We're going to be discussing that in April," he was told.

"I thought to myself, 'You campaigned on an entire platform of cutting government spending, and you don't know what you're going to be cutting until April?'" Littleton pauses. "I don't trust these guys — whether it's Boehner or anybody else."….

America is so broke, there's no longer really any money in the Treasury to give away — the job of overseeing corporate handouts that used to belong to the leaders of Congress has now moved to the Federal Reserve, which itself is so broke that it has to invent dollars out of thin air before it can give them away to influential billionaires….The new speaker represents an increasingly endangered class of Beltway jobholders who know how to raise money and get elected, but not much beyond that. He now finds himself the party's last line of defense against millions of angry voters who, for the first time in recent memory, are at least attempting to watch what Congress is up to.

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    John Boehner, the Libertarian-Maker

    Brian Doherty | January 7, 2011

    Earlier today, Nick Gillespie noted new Speaker of the House John Boehner fecklessness when it comes to thinking about how to cut spending. Turning his comic acid on Boehner, Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi frequently echoes how libertarians always think of partisan governance of whatever variety.

    There’s barely two reflexive liberal head-bows to the notion of “why doesn’t Congress just do good for the little guy?” sops to his audience in what is mostly a righteous assault on government-as-it-is, and as how libertarians would note it pretty much always is and always will be.

    I challenge anybody to diagram the above sentence.

    1. Oops… cut and paste fail. Your assignment is only to diagram the last sentence (don’t want to give too much homework over the weekend).

      1. Yes, volunteer editor, “sops to his audience” is extraneous and probably leftover from a process of revision.

        1. Either that or “head-bows to the notion of.”

      2. The last sentence was fine. It’s the thing between the first and the last sentences that loses me.

      3. Yes, this thing is in dire need of copy editing. Mr. Doherty, since you took the effort to write it, you should have someone else give it a once-over before posting.

        1. Just don’t let Nick do it.

    2. I was just thinking the same, although not many remember diagramming…

  2. I feel the best way usa should approach is to tighten the credit. The asian countries have a interest rates on loans at 18%. Businesses think 10 times before they take a loan?

    1. Yes, if there’s something we have too much of right now, it’s too much easy credit for businesses.

      1. One guy says the price to borrow money is too high, the other says the price to borrow money is too low.

        How about we let the free market decide instead of the government?

        1. That’s insanity! Chaos!

          1. Somalia! Roads! and ROADS IN SOMALIA, too.

  3. Just out of curiosity: How much do you guys want for Hawaii? How much of a trade-in can we Canucks get for the chunks of Arizona and Florida that we already own?

    1. How about Windsor, ON to Michigan, Washington (state) absorbs BC, and Nova Scotia becomes a US State.

      Canada gets AZ/FL pieces you all own, plus we’ll give you California fer free. And Maine. Including both Senators.

      Hawaii’s statehood is rescinded, and it becomes the Pre-Castro Cuba of the Pacific – a place for both Canucks and Yanks to repair to as required. US keeps its EXTREMELY LARGE military presence there, just in case Japan has a flashback or something.

      Deal?

      1. “…plus we’ll give you California fer free.”

        And we’ll give you Quebec and Newfoundland “for free”.

        Right.

        *Crosses street to Mexican Dealership to check out offers*

        1. Plus a red-light district to be named later. (Terms undisclosed)

        2. Ya can’t blame a brother for tryin

      2. [i]plus we’ll give you California fer free.[/i]

        Yeah, get rid of that lemon.

        1. I was thinking we could play hardball on California and give them to the Mexican drug cartels. Make Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, and Nancy Pelosi their problems.

    2. Just so long as we get BC.

  4. What would one expect from Beener, now in his 21st yr on the hill? Fresh leadership, ha ha.

    1. Could we at least get a new skin tone for 2011? The Snooky Orange is so 2006…

  5. Fuck this shit.

    Bill O’rally is humiliated on Fox News as an idiot who doesn’t know how tides work, Hannity is even more of a fluffing gay-fag, and Beck is a full-time laughing matter…

    Oh – and Rush ‘King o’ the Rednecks’ Limpcock is preaching to his Dittlehead choir…

    As a country we should be doomed – but the dieoff amongst the Christo-Fascist right will save us!

    1. Shriek, you been hittin’ the catnip again?

    2. “Rush ‘King o’ the Rednecks’ Limpcock”

      I’ll bet you spent the morning recess making that up, and every one of your 3rd-grade class mates thought it was real funny! LOL, LOL!
      Do the adults commonly ask that you go elsewhere?

      1. What I always find ironic is that the people who most hate “rednecks” are generally the same people who would quickly lecture us about the need to respect other cultures and celebrate “diversity”.

        Certain cultures always seem to get excluded from “multiculturalism”.

          1. They’re also the same ones who claim to be against hate speech… and the ones who claim not to be elitists.

    3. Is this in response to something or just a belch of shriek nonsense, a propos of nothing?

    4. Your psychiatrist didn’t give you those meds just so you could flush them down the toilet, shrike.

  6. John Boner, sorry, Boehner is a truly repulsive human being. To me he is the Jimmy Swaggart of politics, with his sobbing every other time he gets up to speak. He is not even at the top as far as repulsive politicians go. These are the sort of people we elevate to position of grandeur in this country. It’s truly pathetic. We are, apparently, a pathetic people.

    1. He replaces Pelosi, me, which IMO is basically trading one pile of shit for another.

      1. Same shit, different pile.

  7. Im at least happy someone is sniping at the guy in a publication that kids read.

    If anything he might be helping engender a generation that is pissed that its forebears have dug them into such a financial hole that they will emerge to be the anti-spending majority that crosses party lines.

    Maybe. I’m not getting my hopes up too much.

    1. My experience as a 20 something talking politics with others my age is that we all feel we’re getting stuck paying for a bunch of social programs that will be bankrupt by the time we might need them. So maybe you aren’t hoping in vain…

      1. Thanks for the contributions. Us slightly older folks appreciate your generosity.

    2. If anything he might be helping engender a generation that is pissed that its forebears have dug them into such a financial hole that they will emerge to be the anti-spending majority that crosses party lines.

      From the big spending Democrats to the big spending Republicans or vice versa?

  8. I don’t know. I’m not sure about a man who cries a lot.

  9. {Boehner] now finds himself the party’s last line of defense against millions of angry voters who, for the first time in recent memory, are at least attempting to watch what Congress is up to.

    What am I, chopped liver?

    1. Nope, just a Bailout Queen.

  10. Worst political class in American history.

    1. It’s up there

      1. I guess the one of the 1850s is worse. These guys haven’t managed to start a civil war that kills 600,000 people and destroys half of the country. Yet.

        1. You can’t say they aren’t doing their best to try and start some kind of conflagration. Chances are it will be small skirmishes for resources, once they get done collapsing the economy.

        2. Iraq. Different country, same results.

  11. My mustardcase tastes like pillow!

    1. My pillowcase tastes like mustard!

      1. Let’s fuck.

        1. Be back by 11 pm! Oh, and clean the pearl necklace off before you come home this time!

          1. Remember to stretch before you come home, son.

            1. Oh, he’ll be stretched….

              1. Dibs on sloppy seconds.

  12. I know it’s a Rolling Stone article, but I didn’t notice anything in there about any of the stimulus bills or ObamaCare. To gloss over all of that while highlighting so much (correctly) from the Bush administration seems excessively partisan.

    1. Well it is Matt Taibbi writing for Rolling Stone after all. Even if he did write something in there about Obama, I’m sure the editors would have taken it out. If the two blow jobs in a row of Obama they published before the elections are any indication.

  13. http://www.radaronline.com/exc…..andal-with

    This is a great political scandal.

  14. Five Myths About Why the South Seceded (For the Rockwellians among Us)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1

    1. They are correct that those are myths. But the WAPO has to fuck it up by putting in howlers like this

      “So poor white Southerners supported slavery then, just as many low-income people support the extension of George W. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy now.”

      Supporting low taxes is just like supporting slavery. Even when I agree with them, the MSM is still infuriating.

      1. They are not saying the two are morally equivalent, they are saying the thinking re: “I will benefit from that one day” is the same. Check your outrage.

        1. They already did benefit from it. The reason why poor whites supported slavery was because it supported the idea of white supremacy. Poor whites generally hated the bit planters and slave owners. Read a history of the Revolutionary War in the South sometime. The British kicked our asses and took places like Savannah and Charleston because the white farmers in the uplands wouldn’t lift a finger to help the rice kings in the low country. They didn’t like the slave owners or even necessarily aspire to be one. But what they did understand was that slavery was part of an overall system of white supremacy that they benefited from. They didn’t want free blacks out competing for jobs and calling themselves equals.

          1. Oh, so wealth-envy wasn’t created by contemporary liberals? Y’learn something new every day!

      2. Yeah, I hate that socialist bullshit about the working class ignorantly supporting those that keep them down and blah blah blah. Most people with any economic sense realize that low taxes allow for greater job creation. Funny how the left likes to disparage the poor who would rather be employed than be forced to beg the government for a hand out.

      3. Also, #5 is purely speculative and based wholly upon the opinion of the author of that garbage. I maintain, that much like England, chattel slavery would have given way to automation & industrialization with or without Mr. Lincoln’s invasion (What is it Republicans find so irresistible about unfunded wars of choice to effect regime changes). Without the war, and more importantly, without the brutal treatment meted out by the victors during Reconstruction, the nation would have avoided Jim Crow and the bitter fight over civil rights.

        1. Without the war, and more importantly, without the brutal treatment meted out by the victors during Reconstruction, the nation would have avoided Jim Crow and the bitter fight over civil rights.

          Of all the possible outcomes, that one seems most unlikely.

  15. The new speaker represents an increasingly endangered class of Beltway jobholders who know how to raise money and get elected, but not much beyond that.

    Taibbi sounds almost lucid. I’m sure it’s temporary.

  16. This is a great political scandal.

    Seriously? Why the fuck would anybody give a shit?

    1. Woman under investigation by FBI photographed licking famous Congresswoman’s breast. Come one. That is a great headline.

    2. Cause of teh boobies.

  17. Holy shit

    If it sounds awfully fastidious and controlling from a man stuck in the opposition for the past four years–a man who might be expected to exult in his victory, throwing caution to the wind–it should. Boehner has planned this moment for years, and he is not going to blow his speakership on cathartic but pointless expressions of ideology (even if that is what some of the bomb-throwing freshmen have in mind).

    He wants to get laws passed, and he knows that doing so is a precarious business. If they will jeopardize his chance at repealing health care or cutting taxes, he won’t tolerate frivolous investigations that alienate voters just for the sake of humiliating Democrats. And he won’t overstate his case.

    Boehner is a politician’s politician. He is constantly taking the temperature of his members, balancing their interests against each other, checking the polls, and coordinating a unified message. He is already having to make adjustments–to find ways to balance expectations and performance, promises and deliveries. It is a glimpse of the leadership to come.

    ——

    Jack Howard, a GOP lobbyist who worked as a counselor to Gingrich when he fended off the coup, holds no grudge against Boehner. In fact, he marvels at the newly minted speaker’s ascent to power, fueled by his ability to move legislation (No Child Left Behind, pension reform, Glass-Steagall repeal, among other examples), and a knack for understanding how to maneuver around virtually any political obstacle.

    “Boehner’s like a guy who enters a revolving door behind you and comes out ahead,” Howard said.

    Wipe that splooge off your chin, Major.

    1. I don’t see what the big deal about that quote is. Yeah, the Speaker of the House is a politician and a skilled one at that. So what?

      1. I agree with John here. Should he torpedo the chances of getting to his substantive goals to throw bombs and investigate “scandals” just for political hay? How’d that work out for the GOP in the Clinton days?

  18. January 07, 2011
    Internet Freedom Alert: Obama Admin Pushing Ahead Today with Dangerous “Internet Trusted Identity” Scheme

    Greetings. At this moment — as I type this — the Obama administration is pushing forward with its horrendous DHS-linked “Trusted Internet Identity” scheme (formally – “NSTIC”: “National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace”) via a meeting and announcements today at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research.

    As I’ve discussed in Why the New Federal “Trusted Internet Identity” Proposal is Such a Very Bad Idea and postings linked within that article, NSTIC is an incredibly dangerous concept fraught with all manner of major direct and collateral risks to individuals, organizations, freedom of speech, and civil rights in general.

    In contrast to the benign concepts of Net Neutrality — which despite right-wing claims to the contrary will not result in a government “takeover” of the Internet or the muzzling of free speech — NSTIC in fact carries very much those actual risks.

    NSTIC will never remain “voluntary” as its proponents claim. It will ultimately put the government firmly into every networked computing device that we use, and become the key mechanism to track users, control access to information, eliminate legitimate anonymity, and otherwise convert the Internet into a tool more suited for future oppression than open communication.

    So to Glenn Beck, FOX News, and the various legislators who have been burning so much air time with anti-Net Neutrality rants, take a good look at NSTIC. Even by your own standards, NSTIC is a fire-breathing, city-smashing Godzilla compared with Net Neutrality’s Bambi.

    And to everyone else who cares about an Open Internet, free expression, and civil liberties, get ready for Internet freedom battles like you’ve never seen before. The war to protect our freedoms on the Internet has only just begun.

    –Lauren–

    http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000798.html

    1. Ah, the trusted voice of Lauren.vortex.com!

      I know, I know, I’m an elitist…

      1. Is anything she says wrong? I am not a tech person, so I don’t really know. that is why I posted it without comment. I would like to hear what the tech people who do comment on here think of it.

        1. I saw this from the White House. It’s interesting that it’s all rainbows and butterflies about making transactions safe and protecting people’s privacy until you get to this line:

          The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), a key partner in the development of the strategy, has posted the draft NSTIC at http://www.nstic.ideascale.com.

          Uh-oh.

          Call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure that if Homeland Security is “a key partner” in creating the program, the focus is not going to be on protecting civil liberties and making online transactions safe and more private.

          NSTIC

        2. There isn’t much technical content in it.
          Obviously I don’t want the government to control what I do.

        3. The proposal ranks inbetween “Harkonen Heartplug” and having having actual Waffen SS on every US street corner.

          From a technical stand point this system would make sense for ensuring trusted status on VPN’s, and for specific WAN purposes. Think of streaming content providers to turnkey solutions, stuff like Google TV or NetFlix boxes. It would also tie in very well to access constant services across devices and locations. Great for spies or accessing Grandma’s latest poodle pictures.

          But to have individual citizens assigned a permanent ID to be used on all their internet activities?

          Logisticly this is a nightmare task. Everything from rice cookers to Air craft Carriers have internet access these days. And not all internet capable devices are made where the US can influance that manufacter.

          Totalitarian Boondoogle gets my vote on this

  19. The inflation rate has fallen for the past three years, as it did between 1969 and 1972, but monetary policy has caused commodity prices to surge back to 2008 bubble highs despite rising unemployment. Anecdotal evidence of pricing turmoil for foreign producers of intermediate goods suggests that inflation is already lurking just offshore, preparing to crash into the economy. The higher costs will cause commerce to freeze, as it did in 2008, or else the inflation spiral will again begin in earnest. Either way, European-style protests will soon come to these shores as well.

    Bretton Woods II is collapsing. The seductive Keynesian policies that fiscal and monetary authorities have followed for decades will soon cause the end of dollar hegemony. The United States is entering its third consecutive year of deficits greater than $1 trillion coupled with continuing dramatic increases in the stock of money. Devaluation and economic chaos are guaranteed, just as they were in 1969. Fortunately, unlike in 1969, gold ownership is legal. Those who understand free markets can still preserve the capital that will be needed to restore American prosperity after the deluge.

    http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/…..ver_2.html

    1. John, you use your tongue prettier than a $20.00 whore. [Actually a $450.00 whore if you index for inflation]

  20. Matt Taibbi is a pissant.

  21. he is not going to blow his speakership on cathartic but pointless expressions of ideology

    Boner believes in nothing (aside from his own political advancement, and the power which accompanies it); this is why beltway establishmentarians like Major Garrett respect and admire him.

    And (Zod knows!!!!) we need more laws and less freedom.

    Fuck Garrett.

    Fuck Boehner.

    1. Why would you want a political leader who would “blow his speakership on cathartic but pointless expressions of ideology”? The point is to accomplish something not just grand stand. Maybe Bohner won’t accomplish anything. Or maybe he will accomplish bad things. Time will tell. But the fact that he is not willing to make pointless grandstanding moves is not an indictment of him. Suppose Boehner was a true Libertarian. Would you want him to be as practical as possible and maybe accomplish a few things or would you want to to accomplish nothing and just make speeches and gestures no one pays any attention to? I would take the former.

      1. The point is to accomplish something

        No, no it isnt.

        The point is to accomplish the right things and prevent the wrong things from being accomplished. If you do nothing, you may be a success by that measure.

        1. Cutting spending is accomplishing something. The days of just “stopping further damage” being good enough are over. We have to roll back what has happened. And that requires accomplishing something.

          1. When I first saw this, my first thought was “hit piece”. Reasonable expectation; after all, it’s a Rolling Stone piece on a GOP Speaker.

            Problem? It is a hit piece, but it’s 95% hit and 5% miss.

            Boehner IS your typical beltway insider, and his goals ARE antithetical to what people want to see as a result of 11-10.

  22. Or maybe he will accomplish bad things. Time will tell.

    The suspense is KILLING me.

    1. Maybe he should just set himself on fire in front of the capitol like the Buddhist did in Saigon that time. That would certainly help.

      When he does shitty things, kill him for it. He will deserve it. But to sit around bitching and moaning before he does a single thing about how he is unwilling to engage in pointless grandstanding, is just stupid. And it is also a good example of why no one can stand Libertarians. It is one thing to bitch about what the Congress actually does or does not do. It is another thing to preemptively bitch and moan before they do anything.

      1. He already passed no child left behing, Medicare expansionpalooza and TARP.

        He has already accomplished many, many shitty things well before being speaker.

        1. Yes, but we can’t know of all the new good things he will do until he does them.

      2. Maybe he [Boehner] should just set himself on fire in front of the capitol like the Buddhist did in Saigon that time. That would certainly help.

        Especially if it started a trend.

        1. I’d prefer seppuku as he begged a copy of the Constitution for forgiveness.

      3. without preemptive bitching, how can we say “told you so?” when the liberals and conservatives get all disillusioned? Come on, man, this is our number one recruitment tool.

  23. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced the termination of the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle program Thursday, saying the price tag for the 80,000-pound armored vehicle used to storm beaches was too high.

    “The EFV, originally conceived during the Reagan administration, has already consumed more than $3 billion to develop, and will cost another $12 billion to build, all for a fleet with the capacity to put 4,000 troops abroad ashore,” Mr. Gates said in unveiling a revamp of the Pentagon budget. “To fully execute the EFV?would essentially swallow the entire Marine vehicle budget, and most of its total procurement budget for the foreseeable future,” Mr. Gates said.

    !

    *Boner scratches head, looks vainly for budget reductions under every rock*

  24. Speaking of defense spending, new Chinese stealth fighter “terrifying” according to military experts;

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2…..nge-fleet/

    Is this really the time to cut defense spending? We need to bring back the F-22 it seems to me.

    1. All the more reason to cut the boondoggles that aren’t going to pan out.

      Hey, maybe we can steal *their* secrets for a change. That would be a nice change of pace.

    2. Your handle says taxed enough already but you want more military spending? Do you not know where the funds for military spending come from? It ain’t bake sales…

      I think we spend like 100 times more on our military than China, I’m not worried about their new jet.

    3. “Is this really the time to cut defense spending?”

      China spent some US$76Bn in 2010, while the US spent ~US$685Bn. Just from the numbers, I’d say we can safely use the scissors. Ms. Clinton could help out a bit also; our supposed allies have been free-riding on our budget for years. Removing some of those foreign bases might get them to buy their own damn bullets.
      Re: the F22. If the military finds that the best use of the funds they get, so be it.

    4. look carefully at the video, as the plane turns, the tailpipe of the plane has traditional, cylindrical exhaust. The f-22 has a vectored exhaust nozzle. So, maybe it is cheaper, but it is probably not more technologically advanced (although technologically advanced != militarily superior).

      More likely than not, it is basically just china making fictional facsimiles in an attempt to put up ‘face’, much like how they rebadged motorolas to prove they had chipmaking prowess, or how they are copying burj dubai.

  25. new Chinese stealth fighter “terrifying” according to military experts

    OMG teh Yellow Peril terrrrrah Pr0n strikes again!!!!!

    1. “OMG teh Yellow Peril terrrrrah Pr0n strikes again!!!!!”

      Kennedy rode the “missile gap” all the way to the White House; Eisenhower had forbid the release of the actual situation for fear of compromising our intel. There was *NO* “missile gap”.

      1. Nope. And Eisenhower had more gravitas and good judgment in his little finger than Kennedy had in his entire body.

        1. My cites:
          “The Fifties”, Halberstam, pp 699, 700.
          “Spyplane”, Polmar, pp 122-125
          Your cites?

          1. I was agreeing with you Sevo. There was no missile gap. And Eisenhower know it. Sorry for the confusion.

  26. Mail bombs are being sent to high-ranking government officials, and now democratic representative Gabrielle Giffords of the 8th district of Arizona and some of her staffers have just been shot at an event in Tucson. No word yet on her condition.

    Yes, people are most definitely angry out there.

    1. I just saw that. What the fuck? The news feed says that the shooter is in custody. Please God don’t let him have ever so much as subscribed to Reason or attended a Tea Party for any reason.

    2. well, she was on Palin’s target map.
      http://www.theatlantic.com/pol…..ist/37918/

      1. Clearly, Palin wanted someone to shoot her as opposed to just voting her out of office.

      2. Clearly, Palin wanted someone to shoot her as opposed to just voting her out of office.

        1. Don’t RETREAT, RELOAD! Right, John?

          1. Be sure to take advantage of a horrible tragedy and grandstand on people’s dead bodies. You amoral little fuck.

            1. right because spending two years talking about Communism and FEMAgulags and how the President is a Muslim Manchurian Candidate and a Fascist and talking about “Second Amendment Solutions”, that has no consequences at all right John?

              Fox News has blood on its hands.

              1. Shut the fuck up you troll. They wrote plays about killing Bush. They claimed it was the dark night of fascism in America for 8 years. If anything the rhetoric about Obama has been muted.

                1. Muted!?

                  When did a Democratic Senate candidate talk about “Second Amendment solutions” when they didn’t win, John?

                  1. When have I seen anyone with “Snipers Wanted” pictures over Bush?

                    And as I said below, Giffords is a blue dog Democrat. If there is anyone putting hate rhetoric against moderate Dems, it is the Left. What are you going to say when this guy turns out to be a Democrat? Oh you will lie and talk stupid shit like you always do.

                    Fuck off troll.

              2. And Giffords was pro life and voted against Pelosi for speaker. If anything, some Daily Kos reader shot her.

              3. And Giffords was pro life and voted against Pelosi for speaker. If anything, some Daily Kos reader shot her.

                1. No no, all Democrats are Socialist Kenyan Muslim Fascists! Second Amendment solutions!

  27. Drudge banner said she died but no one else is confirming.

    1. They just changed it to shot.

  28. U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, Arizona Public Media reported Saturday.

    The 40-year-old Democrat, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting a “Congress on Your Corner” event at a Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

    At least nine other people, including members of her staff, were hurt. Giffords was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Her condition was not immediately known.

    Giffords was talking to a couple when the suspect ran up and fired indiscriminately from about four feet away, Michaels said.

    The suspect ran off and was tackled by a bystander. He was taken into custody. Witnesses described him as in his late teens or early 20s.

    Giffords was first elected to represent Arizona’s 8th District in 2006. The “Congress on Your Corner” events allow constituents to present their concerns directly to her.

    More details to come.

    http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/…..in-arizona

    Good on the people who tackled the little fucker who did it. That took some balls.

    1. An armed society is a polite society!

      1. If someone had been armed, they would have shot the little fucker dead before he could do any damage. When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes. Yes, the lack of the people being armed allowed this person to do this. Thanks liberals. The blood looks good on you.

        1. I was wondering how long it would take you morons to trot out IF ONLY THEY HAD MORE GUNS!

          Congrats, you did it in record time.

          1. I was wondering how long it would take before some amoral lowlife would show up to blame everyone he hates except the shooter. Thanks, record time. Now go die in a fire.

    2. The comments to this are appalling.

  29. NPR is saying she’s dead.

    This is what Glenn Beck gives you.

    1. what’s your fark handle?

  30. Also please remind me, John, when a Democrat showed up at a Bush rally or Republican town hall with a semi-automatic rifle strapped to their back.

    1. I will take a lot of shit on here. But I won’t take racism. If you are so racist you can’t stand the sight of an armed black man, get the fuck off of here. You can be a liberal on here. But you can’t be a racist. Reason will ban you for that. As they should. Take your racism and irrational fear of armed black men back to the white liberal boards where that kind of shit is accepted.

      1. What the fuck are you blabbering about? Your side is the one that freaks out when “New Black Panthers” (all TWO of them!) show up at polls in scary looking out fits.

        1. I am not the one freaking out over a veteran law abiding black man with a weapon. You are. I am sorry you are so racist you can’t take that. But that is your problem not ours. Now go back to the liberal white boards where being afraid of black people is acceptable.

  31. Her office was vandalized during the healthcare debate, and she was on Palin’s “Don’t Retreat, Reload!” map.

    This is what irresponsible rhetoric gets you. Someone is going to take it seriously one day.

    1. So lets repeal the first amendment. Shut the fuck up. You don’t even know who this guy is.

      1. I’m asking cynical fucks like Murdoch to at least realize he should exercise some self-control and get his talking heads to shut the fuck up about revolutions and “fascism” and “death panels”.

        I’m calling for some small modicum of self-restraint on the part of the right wing in this country.

        1. Just like the Democrats exercised so much self control when people like John Glenn said Bush was “just doing that Hitler business again” and people got on the London stage and published novels fantasizing about killing Bush, and the then chairman of the DNC said believing 9-11 was an inside job was an acceptable viewpoint. Just shut up. The left screamed and threw shit like angry monkeys for eight fucking years. That is how politics works. Stop trying to use every tragedy as an excuse to oppress everyone who disagrees with you or you really will see political violence in this country.

          1. I listen to Glenn Beck sometimes. he actually has to beg his audience not to commit violence. when’s the last time even someone like Michael Moore had to have a disclaimer that he “doesn’t want to promote violence”?

            1. “he actually has to beg his audience not to commit violence.”

              Yeah, and they are all armed and ready to run out the door, right?
              Your stupidity is only matched by your gullibility.

            2. I don’t watch Glenn Beck. But I doubt he begs people not to commit violence. And further, leftists have committed violence. The guy who flew the plane into the IRS office in Austin was a leftist. The unibomber was a leftist. The Long Island Railway shooter was a leftist. The list goes on and on. Murder knows no ideological bounds.

              1. The unabomber spent half of his manifesto talking about how much American liberalism sucks.

                The IRS attacker was upset over the income tax.

                Yeah, total lefties.

                1. “The unabomber spent half of his manifesto talking about how much American liberalism sucks.”

                  Because it wasn’t sufficiently leftist. He was a radical environmentalist. Read the fucking thing. And the IRS attacker was a life long liberal.

                  If you were not such a pathetic troll and political hack, you would be capable of understanding that the actions of one nut don’t represent everyone who may agree with any of said nuts grievances. Just because the unibomber hated industrial society, doesn’t mean that every environmentalists who shares that view is responsible for the unibomber or on his moral level. But you can’t do that. Your mind is so poisoned that you can only judge people in groups. All you know how to do is divide people into ideological groups and hate on everyone who isn’t in your view pure. It is a really sick way to be. I honestly feel a little sorry for you.

                  1. Yes, because liberals HATE the income tax!

              2. and he does beg them not to. He started crying one time saying basically “Please don’t be like Timothy McVeigh! Please?”

        2. “I’m asking cynical fucks like Murdoch to at least realize he should exercise some self-control..”

          I’m asking brain-dead assholes to read the 1st Amendment.

          1. I read it, it says Congress can’t restrict speech.

            That’s not what I’m asking for.

            I’m asking Murdoch and Roger Ailes and Sarah Palin to realize that what they say has fucking consequences. If they don’t want this to become a routine they need to scale down their rhetoric.

            1. “That’s not what I’m asking for.”

              Lying bastard.

            2. And what if this was done by a liberal who didn’t like that she was a Blue Dog? Or by an illegal alien who didn’t like that she wasn’t 100% pro-amnesty?

              Can we then ask Obama to tone down his “enemies” rhetoric, or does this only work one way?

              1. The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” Rayle said. The sheriff’s department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

                Yeah, that totally sounds like a Mexican drug lord!

                Moron.

                The right wing in this country is becoming violent. WE can only be lucky we haven’t had another OKC bombing yet.

                1. A white guy did it. He must be a conservative acting on Sarah Palin’s orders. Quick, lets start rounding up people. God you are a fucking moron.

                  1. Who said anything about drug lords?

                    P.S. Many Hispanics can be considered white.

                    1. He is white and in his 20s. That certainly fits the Daily Kos demographic.

                    2. Yeah, when I think DailyKos poster, I think “owns semiauotmatic pistol”.

    2. “she was on Palin’s “Don’t Retreat, Reload!” map.”

      A Tin-pot demagogue wannbe would find that very important.

      1. Palin IS a tin-pot demagogue.

        Someone took the “death panels” and “pulling the plug on grandma” and “Don’t retreat, reload!” seriously.

        WHO COULD’VE KNOWN!?

        1. Palin is the Tin pot Demagogue. You just want to use the tragic death of a Congresswoman as an excuse to shut down political debate. Yeah that makes sense.

  32. From what I’ve read not just U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot.

    I’m waiting for the full demographic and political views of the remaining victems to be disclosed.

    Then I’ll start using those figures to proove how right I am.

    1. I’m going to save everybody some time here:

      “The killer was confirmed to be a [liberal/conservative], based on ramblings on [his Daily Kos diary/Free Republic]. This tells us [nothing/everything], because [lone nuts aren’t the responsibility of the people with whom they share broad views/conservative rhetoric drove him to this].”

      1. Go shove your “both sides same!” lazy bullshit up your ass. Only one side in this country has been advocating violence for the past two years and calling into question the legitimacy of our government.

        1. Yeah because no one on the left ever put a “selected not elected” sticker on their car after the 2000 election. And no one on the left has been saying that Obama needs another national tragedy like OKC to get his poll numbers back. No one is buying your troll act. Go away.

        2. Shorter @

          My tribe good. Your tribe bad.

        3. I’m generally of the mind that anyone who commits violence for political ends is not the responsibility of those who share his views. But oh God do I hope this murder was motivated by some leftist views that this guy held, just so that you totally lose your shit.

          That will make my 2011.

        4. Will the advocacy of violence NEVER END?

          http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..ncy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!

      2. Well sure Pete, thats all well and good. But your missing the point.. hmmm..

        Victems! Thats it! And something about Boehner, tying it all together in a grand plan.

        If that doesnt work to convince you..er.. Insults! Thats it, insults at 20 paces.

        1. I type way too slow for this exchange! Retreat!

          Quick some one gets Gibb’s as my Front Man.

        2. If I had to bet, I bet he is some disgruntled former employee. He shot the staffers to. If he were someone trying to make a political point, he just would have shot the congresswoman. I think the Left is probably going to be very disappointed they won’t be able to score points off of this poor woman’s death.

    1. herp derp: http://is.gd/knUb2

      History of violent acts with guns? Check. History of mental illness? Check. Anger at Giffords? Double check!

      1. The guy brags to the world he’s spent tons of time and money supporting someone whose voting record he’d never checked?!
        They’re called brain-deads for a reason…

    1. http://hotair.com/archives/201…..ty-moment/

      You people kind of telegraph your punches don’t you?

  33. She voted against Pelosi and was a hardliner on immigration. It could be any reason. Hell, she could have just been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe the guy that shot her showed up to shoot up the grocery store for some reason (like him being a psychotic former employee) and she just happened to be there.

    The story will change a hundred times over the next 24 hours. Impossible to tell why it happened right now.

    1. Of course it’s impossible to tell right now. Thats why we have to act fast to insure what ever point we want to make is out there NOW! So its intertwined with the events as they unfold.

      It’s time to force this tradegy to do our bidding! We will so own this issue that our opponants will quake before our supremacy.

      1. And if we are wrong and it turns out to be a Muslim or a ordinary nut, we can just stop talking about it like we did the Fort Hood shooter. What is there to lose?

        1. looks like a garden-variety socialist/anarchist.

          http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

  34. Do you really trust anything in Rolling friggin Stone? Boehner is a businessman, a patriot, and more of a libertarian than this idiot will ever be. End of story.

  35. “…the job of overseeing corporate handouts that used to belong to the leaders of Congress has now moved to the Federal Reserve, which itself is so broke that it has to invent dollars out of thin air…”
    – Exactly what Rep. Ron Paul has been saying for years. He’ll never get the degree of credit for having been correct all along that he deserves, but it’s worth noting here.

  36. Wait, The Emperor has no clothes? But, but.. Oooo Dancing with the Disabled is on!

  37. How about Windsor, ON to Michigan, Washington (state) absorbs BC, and Nova Scotia becomes a US State.
    ???? ????? ?????? ???????
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    Canada gets AZ/FL pieces you all own, plus we’ll give you California fer free. And Maine. Including both Senators.

    Hawaii’s statehood is rescinded, and it becomes the Pre-Castro Cuba of the Pacific – a place for both Canucks and Yanks to repair to as required. US keeps its EXTREMELY LARGE military presence there, just in case Japan has a flashback or something.

  38. She voted against Pelosi and was a hardliner on immigration. It could be any reason. Hell, she could have just been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe the guy that shot her showed up to shoot up the grocery store for some reason (like him being a psychotic former employee) and she just happened to be there.
    ???? ????? ?????? ???????
    ???? ????? ????? ???????
    The story will change a hundred times over the next 24 hours. Impossible to tell why it happened right now.

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