Deficit Reduction Plan Shifts Medicare Costs To Individuals. Oh No!
The best you can say about the deficit reduction proposal put forth by founding Congressional Budget Office director Alice Rivlin and former New Mexico Senator Pete Domenici is that it's a mixed bag (which, granted, is probably to be expected from any proposal that aims for bipartisan appeal). As Reason columnist Veronique de Rugy explains over at NRO, the plan relies calls for a tax on sugary sodas and a 6.5 percent "debt-reduction sales tax," which de Rugy argues would likely lead to the addition of a VAT. Now, there might be a case to be made for scrapping the entire tax system and relying instead on a streamlined VAT. But since the odds of that happening soon are somewhere between not-gonna-happen and ha-ha-you're-kidding, the main reason to get behind a VAT ends up being that you're really, really interested in increasing the already-considerable suction power of the federal tax siphon. (See Reason boss-man Matt Welch's take on the VAT here.)
So what's good about the proposal? For one thing, it cuts the corporate income tax rate from its current high of 35 percent down to 27 percent in hopes of making the U.S. more competitive internationally.
Rivlin and Domenici also propose a significant revamp of Medicare, shifting it toward a premium support model, which could allow for private plans to compete with traditional Medicare. As the CBO reported in 2006, premium support could result in a fair amount of Medicare savings:
Under such a system, the federal government would contribute an amount that beneficiaries could use to purchase Medicare coverage either by enrolling in the traditional fee-for-service (FFS) part of the program or in a private plan. The government's contribution would be based on the bids of competing plans or set at a predetermined amount. Beneficiaries who enrolled in plans whose premiums exceeded the government's contribution would be responsible for paying the difference between the two, while those who enrolled in lower-cost plans would receive additional benefits or a rebate. An important feature of this system is that Medicare's fee-for service part of the program would compete for enrollees on the same terms—its bid, as well as the quality of services it provides—as private plans.
…Depending on how the government's contribution was determined, such a system could restrain federal spending on Medicare (that is, spending after subtracting the premiums that beneficiaries pay to the government). Moreover, proponents assert, premium support could reduce total system wide spending on Medicare benefits (including beneficiaries' premiums and cost sharing) by stimulating greater price competition among plans and making beneficiaries more cost conscious in their choice of plans. In that way, proponents maintain, premium support could lead to a more efficient Medicare program, one in which the government and beneficiaries received more for the money that is spent on Medicare, whatever that level of spending might be, than they do today.
The downside, according to the CBO report, is that Medicare recipients might have to pay more. But that's sort of the point. As the full Rivlin/Domenici proposal says, the idea is to make folks on Medicare more "cost conscious." Increase cost-sharing and you increase consumer awareness about the price of medical services. It's a way to mitigate, if not dispel, the expansionary effects of third-party payment, which incentivizes both patients and providers to seek ever more services regardless of their cost-effectiveness.
It isn't a perfect solution by any means. It still relies on taxpayer-funded subsidies and government-managed competition. But combined with increased competition amongst plan providers—which the plan's authors suggest "will incentivize plans to manage care-delivery efficiently and to offer the public evidence that the plans achieve quality outcomes at comparatively low cost"—it might prove some help in keeping Medicare growth in check.
Or at least it might if there were any political appetite for it. As this KHN report indicates, the politics of Medicare reform are such that any plan that might increase costs for beneficiaries doesn't have much of a chance with either party:
[Premium support] has never drawn much political support over the years. "It's hard to see either party embracing a full blown premium support plan," said Henry Aaron, a Brookings Institution expert who helped develop the idea in the mid-1990s. "The Democrats would be largely against it because of cuts in benefits and not enough Republicans would have a stomach for it. It would mean big benefit cuts and a substantial increase in out of pockets costs."
AARP Executive Vice President John Rother said his group would oppose premium support. Of the overall task force report, he said it "raises lots of questions because of how it shifts more costs to individuals."
Of course, letting Medicare spending grow at its current unsustainable rate also raises expenses for individuals, and not just present Medicare beneficiaries either. In the end, everyone who pays taxes to fund the entitlement ends up shouldering the burden of the program's runaway costs.
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Overall, I think I like the president deficit commission plan better so far
http://documents.nytimes.com/d.....ocument/p8
I'm not a big fan of the VAT, OR raising of capital gains/dividends. Some of the other parts have merits.
Also the lack of raising SS age is a no go for me.
6.5 percent debt-reduction sales tax
To help reduce the national debt, I can get behind levying a tax on congressionally-bought items. Congress is gonna cut spending; and under this plan 6.5% will come right off the top of those reduced expenditures to pay down the debt.
That is what you meant, right?
If by this you mean a national sales tax that consumers can watch, then abso-fucking-lutely! Otherwise, shit on a VAT tax.
Yes, I'm a big supporter of the Fair Tax.
Get rid of ALL other taxes, and replace it with a simple national sales tax. Get rid of all the loop holes, exemptions, credits etc.
Kind of a fools' hope, really, as the tax rate is not the only thing that makes the U.S. less competitive than, oh let us say, China - there's also the part where setting up shop in many states brings down the anti-business wrath of the EPA, OSHA/MSHA, the FTC, the USDOL, you name it.
A fool's hope to think overstate it, but not a fool's hope to think that it would make the US "more competitive."
If I could believe at all that any "debt-reduction" tax increase (in any form) would last only until the debt had been significantly paid down, I would probably support it. Of course, we all know that any increased revenue would almost immediately get eaten up by new spending.
Repeat after me:
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
The US cannot pay down its debt.
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The ONLY thing the US can do is default, just like macho men do.
Obviously, nobody will LOAN the US Gov a single dime, but what is one to do except laugh at the politicians... We Mexicans laugh at ours all the time.
I'm not sure why you think this is true. Both of the proposals we've seen over the last couple of weeks with a little modification do just that.
This one stabalizes it around 60%, but it woudn't take many changes to start getting signficant reductions in outstanding debt.
Re: Kroneborge,
The Chinese, you know, those guys holding the bonds, say the US will not repay:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/201.....s_dagong_1
Nah. Once the interest rate shoots up, nothing the US Gov could do then will help. All of the above "debt reduction" schemes are designed to give the impression that the US Gov intends to repay, in order to be able to BORROW more, not to really repay.
Also, you're not taking into account the unfunded liabilities - those promises can not be paid even if the Gov increased the age of retirement. It's already too late - there's no real money in the SS so-called "lock-box."
The US can pay down its debt, if it cuts spending way below revenue and faithfully uses the surplus to service the debt.
The US WILL NOT pay down its debt, which is fundamentally different but has the same result.
I don't think you understand: it doesn't matter if the US Gov cuts spending below the revenue line, the interest alone is enough to make the debt unpayable. Besides this, one would have to assume the economy can actually produce at the level required to pay just the interest. I don't see how that can be achieved considering the current level of regulation the FedGov hobbles the private sector with, just for starters.
If expenses were below the revenue line, then we would slowly be paying it off right?
So for example current year interest exp is around 400b
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm
That's no unmangable.
Now if we wait a couple of year say till 2020- or 2030 without doing something about it, then things get MUCH harder.
In the end, we'll all be dead! Ha ha!
If the incoming GOP House had any balls they should refuse an extension of the doc fix. That would cut Medicare reimbursements to physicians 23% immediately and is the only way they can seriously reduce spending in 2011.
If... but they won't. I look for some kind of token social issue stance instead.
And so fewer doctors would be willing to treat Medicare patients! Good idea Shrike!
How can Peter Suderman or anyone else at Reason advocate a VAT?
A VAT is a tax on production and not a tax on consumption as its supporters claim.
In short, a VAT would get levied on capital goods. A capital good is any good used in production.
Capital goods are the of production -- machinery, energy to run the machinery -- that stuff which undergoes "depreciation" or "destruction" throughout production; are the stuff that transforms things under production; are the stuff that imparts "value added" into things under production.
All a VAT does is transform an economy into a oligopolitic based statist/fascist economy whereby competitors get eliminated, which of course, leads to a cessation of innovation.
In every step of production, someone's final good is another one's input good (aka capital good). VAT leads to is a permanent reduction in production.
A consumption tax, which a VAT is not, is a tax on any good, whether employed as capital or as a consumer good that gets destroyed.
E.g. excise taxes on gasoline and sales taxes on food eaten in restaurants are consumption taxes.
I was wondering the same thing. Thought it was a guest piece before I looked at the byline.
As I said: Adding a VAT to the current system would not be a idea. But if you accept that the government is going to raise revenue somehow, then you could theoretically imagine a system with a VAT that wasn't a total disaster. If you look at proposals to overhaul the budget, you find that some of the better ones include some kind of VAT or similar sales tax -- Paul Ryan's Roadmap, for example. Now, I think the only way a VAT, or anything like it, should be considered at all is in the context of a major fiscal overhaul that would hopefully include significant tax simplification. But in that context, it's not necessarily a terrible idea.
They get one or the other, I ain't giving 'em both. They want to tax income, they don't get a VAT. They want a VAT, they don't get to tax income.
No amount of theoretical discussion or government bullshit will change my mind on this.
*...er, would not be a good idea.
Essentially, for the state to tax capital expenditure is for it to tell the prospective business owner: "pay us now; it matters not to us if you ever make it back." It's pre-emptive taxation; I owe tax when I haven't even put bread on the table yet.
Yeah, Peter, there is no fucking way adding a VAT at all is a good idea. It's a stealth tax. And without repealing all other taxes, a national sales tax would screw the taxpayers as well. There is no fucking revenue problem in Washington; there is a fucking spending problem. The only legitimate way for Washington to "raise revenue" is with a growing economy. Our only hope lies in a fair or flat tax, a massive reduction in spending-government-regulation, and, perhaps above all, for our foreign sugar daddie's to stop loaning us money.
You can dance with your hands in your pants all that you want, Peter, but you look as ridiculous now as you did when you first posted your article.
Again, a tax on production, which is what a VAT is, reduces permanently, production.
Under a VAT, only those producers with scale can afford to layout the cash to pay the VAT on capital goods bought in need of their production process.
All smaller players who cannot handle the cash flow needed to pay the VAT and wait until they collect revenues on sales of their capital goods shall get put to ruin.
Any proposal that includes a VAT is a terrible idea.
You should quit while you are oh-so behind, Peter. In short, you do not get at all, the Science of Profit under condition of government taxation.
How can Peter Suderman or anyone else at Reason advocate a VAT?
It has a lot of numbers in it.
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I'm serious.
I like the DRST plan a lot. Regression however is going to be a big deal and I don't think that the task force adequately addressed that issue. They say that they would use the child credit, and also help with lower income brackets, but in the same plan they propose to eradicate tax returns for these people. Also - what if you are retired - without children or income? See my blog at http://www.us-vat.com/blog