Reason.tv: Coming Soon to an Airport Near You: Prison-style strip searches?

You've heard about the passenger who opted out of a full-body scan (a.k.a. "a virtual strip search") and was subjected to an intrusive and humiliating pat down. "If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested," passenger John Tyner told Transportation Security Administration workers in San Diego.

Well, rest easy, John—and other passengers offended by both full-body scans and hands-on searches.

TSA won't touch your junk—or your breasts or buttocks. If they begin to strip search passengers as if they're prison inmates, they'll do just what correctional officers do: They'll make you do all the nasty work.

What follows is an excerpt from a training video for prison guards on how to make sure that inmates aren't hiding contraband.

The video makes for extremely uncomfortable watching and viewer discretion—and outrage—is advised. After all, this may well be the next step in how the TSA, one of the least effective and efficient government agencies of all time, goes about its daily business.

Approximately 2.43 minutes.

Written and produced by Ted Balaker and Nick Gillespie.

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Comments

[Jesus H.]

Yay! Another TSA thread! It's the new Ground Zero Mosque of the week of the year!

[Seriously.]

what would you rather see? Interviews with celebrities? Surfing Dogs? Sorry this isn't the HuffPo.
At least it is a video, you can rest your poor brain from reading.

[Jesus H.]

HuffPo has all that? What's their intertube number?

[Seriously.]

800,000P, just keep pressing "0" until someone picks up...

[Pro Libertate]

Yeah, but this crap actually matters.

[Jesus H.]

4th or 5th one today, and still seven hours to go. I'll bet Radley's holding his "TSA-agent-shoots-blind-woman's-dog" story till just the right moment.

[The Gobbler]

Why not link to someting you think is important...

[Urkobold?]

LIKE ANOTHER LOBSTER GIRL?

[Matt L]

Yes!

Thank you Urkobold!

[Urkobold?]

BREAST YOU, MY SON.

[Mr. FIFY]

Where's the lobster? I, uh, couldn't focus. Yeah, that's it.

[Jesus H.]

This seems to be important:

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http://breakingnewsdir.com/joa.....17926.html

[PapayaSF]

Was that computer translated from English to Turkish and then back again? And you left out some of the best bits:

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I could ease do it; a pair of cooked eggs, a containerful of tuna, quite a aggregation of lettuce and a tomato. Anyone crapper do it but ground should they? Life is likewise brief and matter is likewise good."

Joan has previously uttered discover against fruitful people.

"If you take junk, you countenance same junk," she said. "People say, 'It's not my fault, it's my glands'. It's not, it's greed!"

As I always tell people, "Anyone crapper do it but ground should they?"

[PapayaSF]

The article in actual English.

[Pro Libertate]

I prefer it in the original Turkish.

[Kolohe]

You have not experienced it until you have read it in the original Klingon

[Dathon]

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

[Mr. FIFY]

I'll grab my margarine hat.

[Chad]

Being a good, proper citizen, I would comply with this, anywhere and any time.

[TSA]

Video of Chad at San Francisco airport. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

[Pedophile TSA Agent]

I hope your young daughter will "comply" with my orders... anywhere and any time...

[Edwin]

Being a good, proper citizen, I would comply with this, anywhere and any time.

[Barney The Frank]

Quit your grinning and drop your linen.

[Take Cover]

Any man with a foreskin large enough to hide a bomb....will be able to rip your head off and shit down your neck!

[heller]

Hey, another reason to have a circumcision!

[?]

That Hot Dog-era instructional video should really acknowledge that a lot of this crap started in the Bush administration.

[Ron Baley Avatar Clown]

Does the TSA officers get to make a detailed search using a an exploratory device when the passanger is bent forward ? ... just asking for job prospect purposes

[cynical]

Lean Forward

[BH]

Spread your cheeks and think of Uncle Sam.

[QuietDesperation]

How about Aunt Samantha?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_L5EF.....nt+Sam.jpg

[0x90]

Is it April 15th already?

[CorporateDrone]

As passengers, can we make requests during these searches? Ya know... cup the balls, pinch my nipples, bite my ear...

I really don't think it's fair that we do all the work ourselves while some guy with a Maglight watches. It makes me feel cheap.

[Timon19]

Lie back and think of England?

[Larry Craig]

We know him as 'Slammin' Sam'.

[Tulpa]

Just think of the TSA agent as a doctor.

[Dr. Junk]

What you gon' do with all that junk?
If you touch it I'ma start some drama,
You don't want no drama....

[Pedophile TSA Agent]

I hope your daughter thinks of my as a doctor as I pat her down... 🙂

[Lonely Stud Patriot]

Stop spoiling the fun! I fly a lot and I ALWAYS REQUEST a forceful pat-down, not only because I'm lonely and it feels good when an authoritarian pays attention to me and even better if it touches my naughty bits, but because letting a stranger touch your privates makes you safer!

I love the TSA and so do my balls! SOMEBODY PAY ATTENTION TO THEM! PLEASE TOUCH ME, YOU PATRIOTIC COSTUMED GOONS!

[Bingo]

Andrew Sullivan, is that you?

[Aresen]

I would take Viagra just before I left for the airport.

[Matt L]

http://xkcd.com/779/

[Anonymous Coward]

I get the feeling this video would been more entertaining if Reason Foundation donor John Stagliano had been attached as director.

[sage]

"Could you please squirt your titties into this cup? Need to make sure it's not kerosene."

[Zeb]

What makes a prison style strip search different from other types of strip search?

[Mango Punch]

It's what happens after that makes it special.

[Irresponsible Hater]

The taste?

[brec]

I didn't watch the video because being extremely uncomfortable makes me extremely uncomfortable. But for anyone who missed it, here's an excellent piece by Cathal Kelly in thestar.com: The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother

[zeroentitlement]

I've long been an advocate of the Ben Gurion-Tel Aviv style of airport security, not that anybody, especially my government, gives a shit.

30 years, no hijacks, no bombs. Instead of mouth-breathing GED-earning goons (who are mostly employable only because of Affirmative Action quotas), you've got the highly-trained, steely-eyed Ashkenazi equivalent of "The Mentalist" asking you pleasant, chatty questions about your travel plans, where you live, etc. They start this on the road to the airport, before you even arrive. It's like a kosher Vulcan mind meld, more or less. They only pull the suspicious responders out of line, everybody else can go about their business.

Apparently, Israel has learned that bad things don't exist, only bad people. So you can keep your water, your baby formula, your cans of Coke, your sunscreen.

Wonder why we can't learn that. *eyeroll*

[Fly This]

Are you so naive as to believe that an Israeli-style airport inquisition in the U.S. would silence the adolescents here? Those anarchists don't want better security. They want no security at all. The few honest people here would settle for a wholly private and voluntary security system, funded and administered by the airlines themselves. So would I. But that scenario rarely gets mentioned amid all the sarcasm and class hate.

[Fly This]

Not that your little racist rant wasn't delightful, zeroentitlement.

[omg]

I don't see what is so complicated about it. The airline is the most interested in making sure its planes don't explode and its passengers aren't killed. They are also interested in keeping everyone as happy as possible. Wouldn't they find a good compromise all by themselves, were they to take over airline security?

[zeroentitlement]

Does a "voluntary security system" work at your house? Is that the kind you have? How has "airline security" worked out in the past?

Yes, I'm a racist. I make judgments and draw inferences based on patterns I've observed. I don't find using a perfectly and uniquely human power of reasoning to be remotely shameful. And it's pretty easy to get a handle on the type of people TSA hires, if you travel half a dozen times a year or more. It's not a crime (yet). And that wasn't a rant.

Why shouldn't there be class hate? Why shouldn't I be appalled that my travel security is in the hands of an army of drooling apes whose desperation for any sense of authority is outdone only by their ignorance? Why shouldn't I find it maddening to the point of laughter when these tards tell a guy he can't carry an open cup of water through the airport because "it might be acid?" Or when they confiscate a personal check from a woman during an interrogation, and tell her they'll have to call her husband to verify that the check should be in her hands?

Why don't you just discuss your "scenario," if it's so valuable to you, instead of sniveling at me, fuckstick?

[QuietDesperation]

Are you female and single, cuz I be in love. 🙂

A guy just called into a radio show I was listening to. He went through an extensive pat down, got into the terminal, went to the TGIFridays near the gate, ordered a steak, and they bring him a nice hot steak... an a 11 inch steak knife... 50 feet from the gate.

(facepalm)

[Dan]

Un-fucking-believable.

[Janet Napolitano]

"Code six: We have a turd in the punchbowl. I repeat, we have a turd in the punch bowl"

[Fly This]

"Yes, I'm a racist...And it's pretty easy to get a handle on the type of people TSA hires...Why shouldn't there be class hate? Why shouldn't I be appalled that my travel security is in the hands of an army of drooling apes whose desperation for any sense of authority is outdone only by their ignorance?"

Well, at least you're honest about your racism and class hate. Most people here aren't quite so explicit, being fair-minded and honest "libertarians" and all that bunk.

[JohnD]

Two years of Obama tends to make most reasonable people racist.

[Zeb]

Damn, he's on to us.

[cold666pack]

you are my hero.

[Fiscal Meth]

That sounds dreamy.

[PapayaSF]

Exactly. Let's cut the politically-correct bullshit, do some damn profiling, and spare the rest of us.

[Fly This]

I thought "libertarians" were opposed to profiling. I guess this is libertarianism a la carte.

[Sy]

What fucking sense does it make to purposefully expand the scope of your search to make sure nobody is offended?

[IceTrey]

You do understand that El Al has 30 flights a day whereas the US has 30,000? How many airports does El Al fly out of? How many airports are their in the US, in addition to all of the ones that fly into the country? The situations are completely unrelated and I'm tired of people trying to equate then.

[QuietDesperation]

OK, but somewhere between the El Al system and the clusterfuck we have now lies sense and reason. Can we TRY to get there.

[Rich]

The link.

A lot of Americans will get pissed off at even the "soft" layers -- "I just answered that effing question back there! And quit staring at me!" -- so I wonder how the Israeli system will play out in the U.S. (It would be a vast improvement, IMO.)

[Mango Punch]

Unrelated: NYC Taxi Design Competition. I'm not sure that I'm reading this right, but it sounds like not only does NYC regulate and limit the number of taxis, but they also limit what cars can be used as taxis: "The winner [...] will have the right to exclusively provide the standard taxicab for 10 years."

[omg]

They do know that cab companies can "purchase" cars to use as cabs in the "free market", and that the city wouldn't have to have some boneheaded competition. I like how the link says they are going to do this, but gives no indication of why they would want to do this.

[Pablo]

That video looks like the first few minutes of a really bad gay porn film.

[Yup]

Well if you would donate to Reason, Nick could make better quality porn, so please donate today.

[Pablo]

OK good way to work that reminder in there, so to speak.

[CosmopolitanLibertarianDondero]

Cosmopolitan Libertarians agree! Gay Fighter Pilots, it doesn't get more Cosmo than that. Gay War Porn for everybody! Giuliani for President, he'd be good for the gay!

[Jim]

I'll have to take your word for it, since I don't watch that stuff.

I mean, I don't like looking at other dudes -- not even if they have rippling, bulging muscles.

Is it getting hot in here? ... I mean, geez you guys are fags!

[Ted S.]

And you know what good gay porn looks like?

[zoltan]

That was pretty hot.

[Tulpa]

Anyone who's ever been strip-searched knows that the THz scan technology is not even comparable in its level of intrusiveness. Calling it a "virtual strip search" is melodramedy of the highest order.

As could have been predicted, the TSA has simply been lazy about the new scanners. It would not be hard to set up the system so that the scan would be projected onto a mannequin figure rather than displaying the raw nude silhouette of the passenger. This would not compromise the effectiveness of the scan in any way; explosives or weapons would still show up, though perhaps in the wrong place, but that problem could be resolved by a pat down or a strip search for anyone on whom the scan identifies a dangerous item.

It would be even easier to have the scan displayed in another room to an agent who cannot see the passenger visually, and whose only means of communication with the security checkpoint is to indicate that a person needs to be checked further. This would prevent the possibility of agents discussing features of someone's nude body among themselves, and definitely prevent the possibility of sending nude images of celebrities to TMZ etc.

But of course, the TSA is too lazy to make this work, so they rely on the blunt instrument of threats.

[Heroic Mulatto]

So, I take it that you have been strip-searched, Tulpa; therefore, you are talking out of experience, as opposed to talking out of your ass, as you usually do?

[Tulpa]

Yes I have. If you want, I can post pictures.

[Andrew S.]

The person viewing the scan is already in a room all by themselves, and the agent can't see the passenger visually. But given reports that young, good looking, female passengers are chosen far more than others for these "random" scans, including the report from Denver International Airport of a TSO saying over radio to the person viewing the scan "Heads up, got a cutie for you", it's not exactly much of a benefit.

[Tulpa]

That's why the communication should be restricted to an indication from the agent viewing the scan that a further search is necessary. With no communication the other way, as such communication should never be necessary.

[Wind Rider]

Sequestering the viewing agent is important. Wouldn't want to expose the flying public to some guy wanking it after they've been viewed on his pornoscanner.

[Brett]

It also can't detect explosives. The concern is that the TSA is overstepping its boundaries and that airport security is ridiculous considering the threat of terrorism.

[Tman]

What's crazy to me about the "virtual strip search" scanners is that they didn't even stop the underwear bomber. And a nut grope wouldn't have found anything either.

The story referred to from San Diego -"You Touch My Junk, I'll Have You Arrested"- is interesting on several levels, but the claim by airports and the TSA that they have clearly advertised as a condition of buying an airplane ticket the fact that you might be sexually assaulted -by any meaningful definition of the word- is patently absurd.

I'm sure the airlines will be thrilled to help advertise this along with a new increase in bag fees.

Fly American- $50 extra for your jacket now, and we reserve the right to reach second base before you board.

[Fergie]

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk?

[Gaybraham Lincoln]

Start a nuclear war at TSA Checkpoints, I say.

[Jake]

I'm going to be honest, I'm totally an economic libertarian (republicans are not capitalist), but I can't find any rational defense for privacy. I see millions of harms but no benefit (taking this concept far enough we could end the spread of STDs, stop organized crime in its tracks, gain incredible insights into human behavior, stop fraud of all kinds, and overall use the extra information to make more rational decisions)

[Tman]

You see no benefit to privacy?

Yet you're an "economic libertarian"?

I must not be reading it right.

[O'Brien]

We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness.

[Botox Porcupine]

Never have I heard a better response than this. +100

It's unfortunate that Jake won't get it.

[Jake]

If you mean complete non-privacy is impossible, true, but so are many other things, like complete private property is impossible due to the nature everything (air and water move). But we can get close enough, even though I don't know literary allusion this is.

[Sy]

Not even close. Try again.

[Andrew S.]

"We must grant law enforcement the tools that it needs to stop this terrible threat. But we must give them only those extraordinary tools that they need and that relate specifically to the task at hand.

In the play, "A Man for All Seasons," Sir Thomas More questions the bounder Roper whether he would level the forest of English laws to punish the Devil. "What would you do?" More asks, "Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?" Roper affirms, "I'd cut down every law in England to do that." To which More replies:

"And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you ? where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast . . . and if you cut them down . . . d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake. "

We must maintain our vigilance to preserve our laws and our basic rights."

-Russ Feingold, on his vote opposing the PATRIOT Act, October 12, 2001.

[Jake]

I'm just advocating letting people make the most informed decisions on everything, law enforcement can only harm me when we give them power to do things to me, not just know me and my actions. Privacy is no more a right than is free healthcare, both result in bad things. Please show me how there are any costs even approaching the benefits of eliminating all privacy.

Russ feingold is terrible, im from wisconsin and am so happy we voted him out. And I'm authoritarian capitalist, a bit of a contradiction, but I mean forcing people to act in their own interest in certain cases. Libertarians assume people act in their self interest, which is the ideal, but is far from fact.

[Montani Semper Liberi]

Is this guy for real?

[Jake]

People must make their own decisions on everything, unless they make the wrong decision, in which case we should compel them to act in the way that is in their own interests. No cognitive dissonance is involved in advocating for the abolition of privacy while posting anonymously.

INNER PARTY HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!

[Chony to the Max]

I love you!

[Tony]

"People must make their own decisions on everything, unless they make the wrong decision, in which case we should compel them to act in the way that is in their own interests."

[Wanking off]

[Chad]

"People must make their own decisions on everything, unless they make the wrong decision, in which case we should compel them to act in the way that is in their own interests."

[Rubbing his computer screen against his naked body]

[Max]

You have said this better than I ever could. *Sniff*

[Jake]

If you didn't notice, this isn't me and is completely not what I was advocating... I was talking about privacy, not forcing people to do things...

[Jake]

just stay on the topic please, that is another discussion.

[Max]

"just stay on the topic please"

I love being bossed around in an authoritarian manner. Please keep doing it!

[J]

Forcing people to take off their clothes is a matter of privacy, and not forcing them to do things. Good distinction.

[sevo]

Montani Semper Liberi|11.15.10 @ 7:21PM|#
"Is this guy for real?"
I don't think so:
"Privacy is no more a right than is free healthcare,..."
Anyone whop equates those two is either a troll or an ignoramus.

[Metazoan]

Can he be both?

[Jake]

why must I be either of those. Just giving an example of how, just because I say it's a right, doesn't mean it is...

[Chad, Tony, Max, Chicago Tom]

We love you!!!

[Tman]

I'm just advocating letting people make the most informed decisions on everything

Yes! Good idea!

law enforcement can only harm me when we give them power to do things to me, not just know me and my actions.

Completely 100% untrue. Law enforcement can and regularly does abuse the limited enforcement powers granted to them by citizens.

Privacy is no more a right than is free healthcare

Jesus is this horrible. Do you really believe this? Do really believe that we don't have a right to privacy in our homes or persons? So by extension law enforcement shouldn't ever need to get a warrant, right?

Please show me how there are any costs even approaching the benefits of eliminating all privacy.

It's not a matter of cost. It's a matter of whether or not it's right. You probably don't realize this, but you're arguing for the destruction of the idea of private property, which means that you aren't a libertarian at all, economic or otherwise.

Libertarians assume people act in their self interest, which is the ideal, but is far from fact.

It's not a fact that people act in their own self interest?

[Jake]

I never said law enforcement isn't abusive, but that eliminating privacy would make them less abusive. They may "see my stuff" but does that really matter? They may "violate privacy" but that is only a bad if you assume privacy is good to begin with. And why should they need a warrent? You appeal to tradition, as long as they don't cause any physical harm, displace things, or waste my valuable time, why should I care if they peak in my window with a camera?

People often don't act in their self interest, millions of people serve "god" above themselves, others are patriots, still others just choose to do things like smoke pot, clearly not in their self interest. True, self interest is percieved, but why not change that perception such that people are happiest working and discovering. I don't know the purpose, but I can come to a greater understanding of purpuse through a greater understanding of everything around me.

[Tman]

Jake,

I appreciate that you are trying to understand what's the big deal about this "privacy" stuff, but there is a fundamental connection between "privacy" and "private property". If you believe in libertarian economic principles, then you should understand why private property is so important. If you start with this fundamental understanding, perhaps this will show you why privacy itself is also important in a free society.

Also, you make a whole bunch of judgments about other people in that second paragraph. You should stop and think for a second that maybe a high school kid doesn't know what's best for everybody, thus should probably not say stuff like that. Adults don't know what's best for everybody either, if that helps.

[Sy]

I never said law enforcement isn't abusive, but that eliminating privacy would make them less abusive.

No. It wouldn't. It would most certainly get worse.

They may "see my stuff" but does that really matter?

To you, it may not. But to a husband? A Father? A Mother? Absolutely, it does.

They may "violate privacy" but that is only a bad if you assume privacy is good to begin with. And why should they need a warrent?
The violation of privacy is net bad because the application of the 'privacy violation' is not recriprocated to members of the law enforcement community, as noted by several current lawsuits in several states involving filming law enforcement officers on duty.

"You appeal to tradition, as long as they don't cause any physical harm, displace things, or waste my valuable time, why should I care if they peak in my window with a camera?"

Because, perhaps they see you doing something. Oh, I dunno, engaging in rough sex with your girlfriend and determine you are sexually assaulting her, as they peer into your window. And since you implied they shouldn't need a warrant, they DO break your property to enter your home, and place you under arrest, most likely causing you physical harm in the process.

People often don't act in their self interest, millions of people serve "god" above themselves, others are patriots, still others just choose to do things like smoke pot, clearly not in their self interest. True, self interest is percieved, but why not change that perception such that people are happiest working and discovering

So, people should feel no motivation in life except to act in what is YOUR definition of self-interest? Did it ever occur to you that people devote themselves to God or service to their country BECAUSE it makes them HAPPY?

Why can't you let people be? Did it ever occur to you that humans are other individuals, capable of the same gamut of emotions and thoughts as you? That, perhaps they know the actions they take are not in their self-interest but are instead seeking to satisfy some other desire?

[heller]

What does this have to do with privacy? I have a right not to be groped by government agents.

[Jake]

They would just be able to see everything you saw... they aren't even touching you or wasting your time, I'm strongly against that, governments (and to a lesser extent people) undervalue time all too often.

[heller]

Making you step through that machine in order to get on a plane is like making you take your clothes off in order to get on a plane. They are fundamentally the same thing.

[Montani Semper Liberi]

Jake, if you ever come back, will you please post all your financial information for us to peruse? Please include bank account, credit card, debit card, and PIN numbers as well as any usernames and passwords you use for online banking. We want to make sure that you are using your money in your best interest. I'm sure you might think that you know better what is in your best interest than a bunch of people who have never met you, but you would be wrong.

[Botox Porcupine]

Ha. Also +100.

[Jake]

First off, I don't have any of those things, I am in high school (just be happy I'm not an ignorant socialist or nationalist, my main disagreement is with this single issue.) Also, assuming you likewise abdicate your privacy, I would know when you took my money and would be able to correct the situation with practically no cost (you were implying that without privacy it would be stolen, correct?)

[heller]

OK, well come back when you grow up and actually have things to hide, that no one should have a "right" to see.

[Jake]

Why do I have the right to prevent people from seeing what I see, that itself requires coercion. I would happily let everyone know everything I do, if they were required to do the same... but in the current system one person giving up thier privacy would be a disadvantage. I believe the system is bad but will play the system.

[Invisible Finger]

I would happily let everyone know everything I do, if they were required to do the same

You've apparently never been arrested.

[Invisible Finger]

First off, I don't have any of those things, I am in high school

So because you don't have rights now, you don't want rights ever?

Your high school's doin' a piss poor job, as expected.

[Kim Jong-Il]

"Privacy is no more a right than is free healthcare, both result in bad things. Please show me how there are any costs even approaching the benefits of eliminating all privacy."

You are doing my bidding well, but, could you be a little less obvious? People might suspect...

[Russ 2000]

This was the exact reason I chose Thomas More as the basis of my confirmation name in Catholic school.

Or course, he was murdered for pointing out the absurdity of extremism. I expect the same may happen to me if I have the same courage as More.

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm totally an economic libertarian

I'm authoritarian capitalist

D-

You had your troll-hooks in, all had to do was let the commentariat tire themselves out a bit then reel'em in. But you got too eager.

[Jake]

I'm not a troll, I disagree primarily this issue alone and was wondering if there was actually any reason for having privacy I wasn't seeing... I didn't want a bunch of attacks or anything. I just think you could make better decisions with more information gained from being able to see things other people do... it's not like you're taking anything by invating "privacy"...

[Anonymous Coward]

Alright. I'm sporting, so I'll nibble on the hook.

Explain your theory on the Fourth Amendment without an implicit right to privacy. How exactly is one "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" without the right to bar others from access to said persons, houses, papers, and effects?

[Jake]

Well, if I know that they too do not have the right to privacy, then if they every did anything which would cause me not to be secure, I (and other people) would know. Thus I can be secure because I know they cannot do any harm. And I don't necessarily believe the constitution is right in all cases. It is mostly correct, but certain phrases are ambigious at best.

[heller]

In order to invade one's privacy, you have to invade one's body and/or one's property. That is what TSA agents are doing when they force you to go through a backscatter.

[CosmopolitanLibertarianDondero]

Pay attention folks, this man is okay with strangers squeezing your grandma's tits and fondling your little sister, as long as the perp wears a uniform. If Darth Vader were finger-banging his daughter in front of him, he'd be like, "hey, it's keeping us safe!" What a weak pervert.

[Pedophile TSA Agent]

Your daughter could be a terrorist or suspected drug mule. Would you mind me taking her into a private room for some of my "enhanced" pat downs?

[Rrabbit]

Do you object to the government putting 20 cameras inside of your home, including your bedroom and your bathroom, with a live feed to the internet?

[SIV]

Know your audience Reason

Get the women's prison training film next time. Or better yet, one of those excellent women's prison movies.

Audrey Campbell,as Olga, subdues a "high class tramp"

[QuietDesperation]

Does the upcoming Sucker Punch count as a women's prison movie? That one just might fire on all cylinders. Women in prison, dragons, gun wielding samurai... the trailer left me dizzy and vaguely aroused.

[Just Dropping By]

Only "vaguely"?

[Pat Ast]

"I thought I smelled fish."

[sage]

This thread is whacked, even by H&R standards.

[IceTrey]

"Whacked"? This thread was killed by a gangster?

[waffles]

for sure, but given the strip search vid as source material, surprised?

[Bingo]

I'm just glad Gillespie didn't take it upon himself to star in this one.

[slippy]

he would undress, but keep the jacket on.

[CorporateDrone]

the jacket contains all his superpowers.

[Pat Ast]

ooh, i'm not.

[Apologetic California]

Video gave me a boner. I am now questioning these feelings I have.

[California Governator]

Let it happen.

[Chony to the Max]

I disagree with havings this type of search at airports, because it interferes with our civil liberties.

However, when auditing the rich (anyone making over $100K a year), these types of searches are absolutely necessary to make sure they are not hiding any extra income. By getting rich, they necessarily screwed over somebody, so they gave up their right to forego such searches.

If we don't do this, then we will not collect the necessary revenue to pay off our national debt, something you 'tarditarians claim to be so concerned about.

[Hooha]

As usual Chony, you -

...hey, waaaaait a second...

[hmm]

If the TSA ever started cavity searches I'd be investing in beans and talc poweder in an attempt to see how many "TSA Mimes" I could make.

[Mr. FIFY]

This nation needs about 300 million John Tyners.

[John Tyner]

Whaaaah! You're sexually assaulting me! Whaaaah!

[Mr. FIFY]

Apparently, some troll is okay with the TSA...

[Sy]

Want a good poll of where fellow Americans are standing on this issue? Go to the comments section on youtube. The numbers are not looking good for us.. :-/

[John Thacker]

Don't worry, soon the TSA agents will be unionized, in what was one of the most obvious consequences of President Obama's election.

[j Case]

It won't happen. If it did then it would be the end of the airline industry.

In fact I heard that Obama was funding a national rail network in the US modeled on the European system. Maybe these searches are his way of getting funding approval!

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[heller]

Fuck off.

[Ehop]

I thought some gay porn was about to break out.

[Invisible junk]

Virtual strip searches mean the terrorists have won.

[triclops41]

jake, thats great that you dont care if you get molested or pictured naked.

i dont care if it happens to me either.

but even as a naive teenager, how in the fuck can you be okay with this being done to your mom/sister/girlfriend/grandmother?

seriously, do you hate them all?

[Lone Wolf]

If it should ever come to this at the airport, anyone still flying anywhere should have a check up from the neck up, if you ask me!

[thomas sabo]

thank you for your saring

[moncler jackets]

good luck with you

[A. Freeman]

These kinds of strip searches have been declared UnConstitutional and degrading in prisons; except under narrow, limited circumstances that are properly documented. They may only be done on Probable Cause (with good documentation as to why probable cause is justified)

So now, we are just going to let TSA and our Administration conduct strip searches based on where we are and how we travel? Do we, the Citizens of the United States of America stand for an UnConstitutional invasion of person based on whim? And by the way, are female Muslims included in this protocol?

[Steve Smith]

Here is a song inspired by our government's efforts at protecting us from pilots and three year olds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhMGGkCpGT4

[L Hutchins]

There are some videos I wish I never watched

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[Matt R]

Violated! Not good.

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