Why Not Voting Doesn't Mean Giving Up the Right to Dissent
CNBC's John Carney has a smart take on why you shouldn't worry if you didn't vote. He's particularly good on the question of whether not voting somehow disqualifies later dissent:
Some democratic fanatics (democratic in the purely political, not the party, sense) will tell you that if you don't vote then you give up your right to dissent against subsequent government policies.
I've never understood this weird part of pseudo-democratic theory. It certainly isn't part of the Constitution of the United States, which preserves the rights of free speech, free press and petitioning the government even for non-voters. If anything, the opposite should be true: by voting you are tacitly agreeing to abide by the outcome of the vote. By not voting, you are doing no such thing.
Brian Caplan wrote about voter bias and irrationality for Reason back in 2007. In 2004, Brian Doherty explained why he was a proud non-voter.
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Commonsense101 | Nov 2, 2010 03:08 PM ET
So let's stick our collective head in the sand and rationalize that one person cannot make a difference. The very freedom you have to write about such nonsense results from "one" person standing up for their rights over the course of American history. Why don't you move your physical citizenship to Iraq or Afghanistan to match the emmotional/mental citizenship transfer you have already made from the free, democratic society you have given up on. People like you should have no freedom.
Damn you, Warty!
search_engine_dufus | Nov 2, 2010 03:33 PM ET
Huh. That's a different way of looking at it. Of course, we could instead enact an intelligence test to be administered prior to voting. Would eliminate 2/3 of the population. Unfortunately, that would include most politicians.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It doesn't say you got to vote first.
What if they threw an election and nobody came?
Why, then, the election would come to you.
That happened in '08 in some small town in the plains. Both candidates for some small town office forgot to even vote for themselves and both ended up with a grand total of zero votes. They flipped a coin to determine the winner.
That's what happens.
You're goddam right I reserve the right to complain (and bitterly, too) about the shit they do.
If you vote, you have no right to complain. You know the game entails choosing rulers. You sanction the system.
If I were having lunch with you, and in the middle of lunch I were to stand up and announce to everyone in the restaurant that you were buying everyone's lunch, I am sure you would take issue with that. What about if I agreed to put it up for a vote, would that make it fair? If you agree to accept the result, then you are therefore legitimizing it, and agreeing to the outcome.
On the other hand, if you were to say it is not up for a vote, I am not buying; I don't care what everyone else thinks, well then you would have every right to complain if I tried to coerce you into paying. By not agreeing to participate in the vote, you have not legitimized it, and therefore have every right to complain, and should. The sheep cannot seem to grasp this concept.
Just listen to George.
The best way to register your dissent is to still vote but opt for write-ins, or "none" if your state lets you. Not voting enables the winner to rationalize that you're OK or apathetic about whatever they do.
Bullshit. Not voting says "you all suck, your system sucks, and therefore, fuck you: I refuse to validate your shitty election by participating".
I did not vote yesterday. As I have mentioned, it's the first time in over a third of a century. But I almost voted. And here's why: I'd have gotten one of those red "I Voted" stickers and would have worn it upside down for as long as I could keep it adhered to my coat.
Not voting is not seen as a protest; it is seen as apathy, which the Republicrats are fine with.
Voting for third party candidates is seen as a protest, and the Republicrats are also okay with that, because too few people currently do it for it to matter.
And to them I say: "Recoiling in disgust is not the same as apathy."
Doesn't matter. They will still see it the same way.
That's why we need a "none of the above." Any candidates that receive a NOTA vote cannot run for any public office for two election cycles of the office they were running for.
Democracy doesn't work without an option for ostracism.
Indeed. A none of the above option with some teeth would be one of the most effective election reforms that seems at all possible. I bet NOTA would win a lot.
I'd be fine with a "NOTA" option.
Nevada had that yesterday and it only got 2.2% of the vote. I figured more Las Vegas types would have been in favor of NOTA.
Too combative. Try this instead:
"Hey, it's your world. I'm just living in it."
You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order! That man, that sick, crazy, depraved man, raped and beat that woman there, and he'd like to do it again! He *told* me so! It's just a show! It's a show! It's "Let's Make A Deal"! "Let's Make A Deal"! Hey Frank, you wanna "Make A Deal"? I got an insane judge who likes to beat the shit out of women! Whaddya wanna gimme Frank, 3 weeks probation?
I vote "NO CONFIDENCE", straight ticket.
And yeah, I know that makes no difference. Just like it wouldn't, if I abstained, or voted for thug A, B, or C, statistically speaking.
Voting for third party candidates is seen as a protest, and the Republicrats are also okay with that, because too few people currently do it for it to matter.
There are several House races where third party candidates got more votes than the margin of victory between the two major party candidates.
In fact, a couple of those races still haven't been called because they were that close.
If you vote for none or a write in, it impacts the percent total of the winner. Imagine if we started having election where so-and-so wins with 28 percent of the vote, and 37 percent voted none or a write-in. THAT would send a message even a politician couldn't rationalize away.
That's happening right now in Alaska. I assume most of the write-ins are for Murkowski, but even so, they had to write in her name for her to get the point.
Don't forget Brian Doherty's classic 2004 essay, "Not Voting and Proud."
Noted. Thanks.
Small nit- Prof. Caplan spells his first name with a Y, not an I.
I think George Carlin made this point. If you DO vote you have no right to complain. By not voting, I have every right to complain about the mess YOU created.
Only if I voted for the people who won, which I didn't, except one, which I'm sure I will be very regretful for.
No, see, by casting a cote you endorse the system and agree to abide by the outcome. So no matter what the outcome is, it's your fault.
I've never coted in any election.
Hier
Hier
anyone who pays taxes has a right to complain
actually, anyone negatively affected by a law or policy has a right to complain.
That was my position during the 10+ years I didn't vote. Now I voted and I feel like a whore.
I thought I was the only one. I've felt dirty and violated every time I've voted, so fuck it.
The best way to register your dissent is to still vote but opt for write-ins, or "none" if your state lets you.
And the best way to convince Michael Bay to stop making movies is to buy a ticket to the theater, and sit there with your eyes closed.
^^THIS^^
""Michael Bay gets to keep making movies and Cartman gets his own theme park; there is no God."
Bad analogy. If you're voting R or D, you're "buying a ticket to Michael Bay". If you're voting third party or write-in, you're going to the local indie theater.
This too is a bad analogy. If the USA Film Industry was rigged Federally and Nationally for 2 main film companies and vanishing glimpses of a 3rd in rare instances: than the best way not to support it would be to not go to the movies. Not to pay to watch some movie you still hate on some level.
Federally and at the State Level too lol
If you're voting third party or write-in, you're going to the local indie theater.
Which means you're getting a movie which is bad and boring.
How would a solid block of "none" in the final vote numbers show up as support?
You have to differentiate yourself from those who don't vote because they're pretty much OK with whomever wins.
You're giving the politicians every excuse they need to put you in the latter group.
I want to start seeing elections where the results show just how small a percentage of the population actually wanted the winner to win.
I agree completely.
In theory not voting is the way to go - and every argument against it presented in this very thread is true.
The problem is that this system makes it near impossible to tell apart apathy abstentions from ideological abstentions. Which is why a 3rd party or NOTA vote is an improvement, even if it's also a bit of capitulating.
Now, in countries where voting is compulsory, then yeah, not voting IS the best protest possible, instead of minority-party voting.
I don't think voting is awful.
Then you have no right to complain.
I was hoping for alt text goodness on the accompanying illustration. No such luck.
I was hoping to never see the word 'goodness' used like that in a phrase ever again. No such luck.
Hell, voting is one of the least important things you can do to bring about political change.
Whenever someone says they never vote, I get a huge boner. I'm a extra-super-voter, and a total asshole. Do you really want people like me deciding who's in office?
Voting is obviously only effective in large groups.
To expand the idea that the individual vote is meaningless fails to expand that into collective.
Most people were pissed at Bush's administration and the Republican congress and swept them.
Only to have Pelosi and Democrats continue the spending spree ad nauseum after Obama was elected.
Now those fuckers have, for the most part, been swept out.
Keep doing this and maybe politicians will remember that their election is not a right (unless you are a Senator from Nevada or California, apparently).
So each individual vote may not amass much influence but when a stampede gets moving, change can happen.
Or the will be content to pass the baton back and forth as long as they keep getting their turn to plunder the American people.
VOTE OR DIE, MUTHAFKA
I elect fervently to abstain from this controversy.
denied!
If you're voting third party or write-in, you're going to the local indie theater.
just another muttering crazy person to be ridiculed.
And if that's the way it's seen, it's partly due to those who have beliefs they don't act upon. Libertarians are probably the most politically focused people around, yet probably half
(or more) refuse to vote. Marginilization becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
As far as the "legitimizing" argument upthread goes, I hate to break the news, but the results will be considered legitimate whether or not you participate. The laws passed by the retards now in office will affect you regardless of whether or not you lent them your legitimacy.
True enough, you are certainly effected by the will of the 12% OR whatever the margin of the voting population that wins is. I think Society offers us the best way to delegitimize something. No one reallys cares about weed, you're not going to to prison for life for smoking a joint anymore.
And the system justified by those results would be proclaimed legitimate even if there were no vote held at all. Your vote is a non-factor.
Libertarians are probably the most politically focused people around, yet probably half (or more) refuse to vote. Marginilization becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Libertarians will win the day when the overall IQ of the population rises. This takes decades, if not centuries. Voting is about the least important thing a LP supporter could do, and not voting makes a much stronger statement: "intelligent people know, though words and actions, that democracy is not a substitute for freedom."
Intelligent people believe in science at a bare minimum. The majority of self-described libertarians here don't.
Majority doesn't, Dear.
Now wash up for supper.
Shut your face. 'Majority' can accompany a plural verb form, and often does.
That does it, young man! I'm giving the majority of your supper to the dog.
Intelligent people do not believe in science. Science is not founded upon belief, it's founded upon facts.
Thank you for your enlightening perspective.
I agree with this 100%.
When you just look at yourself as the one extra vote that doesn't make a difference, then you become that one extra vote that doesn't make a difference. Rather than think about how your vote is just a drop in the bucket, show your disdain by writing in a candidate, making a joke/mockery of the system, or actually picking up your ballot and turning in the whole thing blank.
I cared more about the ballot iniatives than the people running, and I left Canaveral Port Authority members 3-5 as well as some other bullshit positions blank because those are the parts of the system I disagree with. If you disagree with the whole system, then make an effort to say or do something about it. But when you sit at home, you're not affecting the system but just allowing it to continue to work against you.
If you really aren't voting because you despise the system, then you should go picket with a "Don't vote" sign outside your precinct.
I keep reminding myself that most people yesterday did not vote for either Democrats or Republicans, but just stayed home.
And yet Obama thinks we're stupid.
The funniest part of democracy is how it assumes a person emminently qualified to dictate the affairs of anyone but himself.
When your team wins, the wisdom inherent in the people is made manifest, while when it loses, this same people is understood to be composed entirely of rubes and dupes.
What makes it even funnier is when your side advocates universal health care, or the war on drugs, or whatever out of your deep concern for all the people. Then when the people clearly don't want your solution and vote against it, you call them rubes and dupes and wish they'd all stop ruining your country.
Since I can't vote in your elections, I reserve my right as a crypto-American to throw spitballs across the border.
Fuck off, maple sucker.
Nay, Gibby, that is indeed his right. Look up the Treaty of 1812.
I tried voting for the first time in over a decade. I'm not really pleased with the results.
So far, results have been mixed. I won my vote on initiative 1098, the implementation of an income tax in Washington. But that initiative was defeated by such a large margin that I probably could have slept through the election and it still would have been defeated. The other thing I won was the repeal of the candy and soda tax (Drug war, you've got your fingers in so many places!) which also passed by such a huge margin that my vote probably didn't make any difference. The other two important initiatives were the liquor initiatives to get the state monopoly out of the liquor business. ONe lost by such a large margin, that I could have voted "Yes" 100,000 times and it wouldn't have made a difference. The other is much closer but is still more than likely a loss.
Honestly, now that I particpated in the process... I feel unclean.
You're such a whore for having voted that we'd all need boxing gloves just to fist you.
Truth be told, any half baked scheme to lower the price of liquor I'd vote for.
So the 17% turnout in my county was patriotic, then? I just thought it was because we are nearly entirely peopled by college kids and state-workers. Its good to see 83% rejecting the patriarchy.
The 17% that voted were the patriarchy.
A nicely done turn of the tables on those repulsive civic minded hippie hall monitors:
http://blog.mises.org/14486/if-you-didnt-vote-dont-complain/
Damn it, Squirrel. Haven't had problems with your auto-linking in months, and you just pooter out at random.
I agree that the right to vote implies the right not to vote, and that not voting does not infringe on the right to bitch.
But I disagree that not voting is removing yourself from culpability in the outcome of an election. There will be one candidate who more reflects your views than the other. Not voting for him or her is the same as giving a vote to the candidate who least reflects your views.
There will be one candidate who more reflects your views than the other.
A lot of the time, not so much. Often, the Democrat is selling anti-free market economics and intrusion into personal life, the Republican is selling war and intrusion into personal life, and the Libertarian is demonstrably wacky. Don't know if there are American Independent candidates where you are, but they are ALWAYS demonstrably wacky.
Not voting for him or her is the same as giving a vote to the candidate who least reflects your views.
And not calling you for supper is the same as calling your doll, I mean, your friend.
Tony, get off that computer and wash up!
If you were my real mom you'd know that I'm a compulsive hand washer, and there would never be a moment when I'd need to "wash up," as I will have already done so.
If you were the real Tony you'd know you were sobbing into my, uh, my lap when that comment was posted.
I believe the correct response to this is, "Oh yeah, and who's gonna stop me? You?"
I cast 1 vote yesterday (Rand Paul) because of his stance on ending federal drug war and civil liberties.
Left rest of the form blank.
Nice strawman you got there, it'd be a shame if someone came along and lit it up.
Everyone has a right to dissent and criticize government policies. I don't know of anyone who actually says not voting means you forfeit this right.
However, I also have the right to criticize your stance against voting when you subsequently bitch about the consequences of the election. That's like a vegetarian complaining about a deli stocking roast beef instead of turkey.
I, for one, don't bitch about the results of any election. I merely reserve the right to decry the contention that elections justly establish any basis for authority. I do not accept that they can be considered to do so, except in the case that participation is both voluntary, and universal.
Everyone has a right to dissent and criticize government policies. I don't know of anyone who actually says not voting means you forfeit this right.
However, I also have the right to criticize your stance against voting when you subsequently bitch about the consequences of the election. That's like a vegetarian complaining about a deli stocking roast beef instead of turkey.
Well said. I doubt that many people who say the whole thing about forfeiting one's rights means that in a literal way.
I still say it's illogical to praise not voting but make fun of people for voting for a dead politician-- or for crazy ones. But then again Reason has many contributors.
If you don't vote for any of the bastards because they're awful, I can see how that perfectly justifies voting for the dead one (will do less damage) or just the interesting crazy ones.
how
As a pathological non-conformist I don't vote and it is better for y'all that I don't. My last vote was for an awful Bush over serial-gigolo Kerry. I should not be voting, so I don't.