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Policy

Feds Frustrated With Their Inability to Wiretap This Here New-Fangled Internet Thing

Peter Suderman | 9.27.2010 12:34 PM

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The federal government knows you're Skyping. And Blackberrying. And chat-rooming. And peer-to-peer communicating. And otherwise trading messages, perhaps encrypted, on the Interwebz. But it doesn't always have the ability to intercept your digital-era communications or figure out what, exactly, you're saying. And so, as Jesse Walker noted in today's morning links, law enforcement authorities are readying new legislation to change that.

Federal law enforcement and national security officials are preparing to seek sweeping new regulations for the Internet, arguing that their ability to wiretap criminal and terrorism suspects is "going dark" as people increasingly communicate online instead of by telephone.       

Essentially, officials want Congress to require all services that enable communications—including encrypted e-mail transmitters like BlackBerry, social networking Web sites like Facebook and software that allows direct "peer to peer" messaging like Skype—to be technically capable of complying if served with a wiretap order. The mandate would include being able to intercept and unscramble encrypted messages.       

The bill, which the Obama administration plans to submit to lawmakers next year, raises fresh questions about how to balance security needs with protecting privacy and fostering innovation. And because security services around the world face the same problem, it could set an example that is copied globally.       

James X. Dempsey, vice president of the Center for Democracy and Technology, an Internet policy group, said the proposal had "huge implications" and challenged "fundamental elements of the Internet revolution"—including its decentralized design.   

"They are really asking for the authority to redesign services that take advantage of the unique, and now pervasive, architecture of the Internet," he said. "They basically want to turn back the clock and make Internet services function the way that the telephone system used to function."       

The Times notes that federal "investigators have been concerned for years that changing communications technology could damage their ability to conduct surveillance." And the FBI says it's simply preserving its existing intercept authority, not expanding it. But it's hard to say you're not asking for expanded authority when you are, in fact, pushing for new rules and greater control over online communications. Nor is it clear that encrypted connections are actually all that much of a barrier to law enforcement investigations. As Cato's Julian Sanchez notes, the most recent report on government wiretap efforts "cited only one instance in which encryption was encountered, out of 2,376 wiretap orders."

Meanwhile, even if you buy the FBI's argument, this effort to preserve its authority could entail significant changes in the overall design of the Net—changes that are more likely to open the web to government interference, not just in the U.S., but worldwide.  And those changes would be likely to have unpleasant long-term ripple effects in terms of what security and communications technology gets developed. As Sanchez argues, forcing security technology creators to design their systems with back doors is essentially a request for an "insecure Internet":

They are basically demanding that providers design their systems for breach. This is massively stupid from a security perspective.  In the summer of 2004, still unknown hackers exploited surveillance software built in to one of Greece's major cell networks to eavesdrop on high government officials, including the prime ministers. The recent hack of Google believed to originate in China may have used a law-enforcement portal to acquire information about dissidents. More recently, we learned of a Google engineer abusing his access to the system to spy on minors.

This demand has implications beyond the United States. Networks designed for interception by U.S. authorities will also be more easily tapped by authoritarian governments looking to keep tabs on dissidents. And indeed, this proposal echoes demands from the likes of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates that their Blackberry system be redesigned for easier interception. By joining that chorus, the U.S. makes it more difficult for firms to resist similar demands from unlovely regimes.

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  1. Paul   15 years ago

    I haven't even read this whole post and my initial response is:

    Fuck you with highly polished brass knobs on.

    1. Almanian   15 years ago

      Can we substitute rusty pieces of I-beam encrusted with broken glass for the shiny brass knobs?

      1. Faux   15 years ago

        Try mentioning unnatural relationships with sheep. That's always a hit.

        1. National Man-Sheep Love Assoc.   15 years ago

          There is nothing unnatural about it.

  2. Benjamin Franklin   15 years ago

    There they go again..........

  3. FCC   15 years ago

    Net Neutrality will move us towards this goal.

    1. John Thacker   15 years ago

      Net Neutrality will certainly give the FCC the power to implement this.

      I don't understand all the liberals who say, "Yes, the government should have the same power over the Internet that it does over telephones and TV."

      1. MJ   15 years ago

        They are profoundly uncomfortable with the idea that some important aspect of life is outside of the government's control.

    2. FreeLibertine   15 years ago

      The FCC wants the Internet 1984-style

  4. Paul   15 years ago

    Now let's see Verizon and Google submit their own joint plan to aid in this compliance...you know... voluntarily.

  5. Old Mexican   15 years ago

    The Times notes that federal "investigators have been concerned for years that changing communications technology could damage their ability to conduct surveillance."

    No shit. And gun ownership damages their ability to totally and completely oppress the populance. Such are the lamentations of the tyrant...

  6. Old Mexican   15 years ago

    They are basically demanding that providers design their systems for breach. This is massively stupid from a security perspective.

    It is certainly not the first time nor the last time the State asks people to act in stupid ways, just to amuse the overlords...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  7. LarryA   15 years ago

    Get rid of victimless crimes, and you pretty much eliminate the need for intercepting private communication.

    1. Anxious Populace   15 years ago

      BUT BUT BUT.....TEH TERRORISTS!!!!!!

    2. Tulpa   15 years ago

      Oh Galt, enough with the pious libertarian bullshit. Even victimful crimes can be solved more easily (and deterred more easily) by intercepting private communications.

      Now, I'm of the position that making the changes to the Net the govt is asking for will be far more destructive to society than it would be helpful to enforcing the law, but pious bilge like the above serves only to make civil libertarians look nutty.

      1. waffles   15 years ago

        For Galt's sake, why don't you librarians go off to salmonella if you don't want to be speed on!

      2. Barely Suppressed Rage   15 years ago

        Even victimful crimes can be solved more easily (and deterred more easily) by intercepting private communications.

        Yes, and the device that the po-po or the gummint agency uses to do that? What's it called?

        Come one, everyone, all together now - can you say "WARRANT"? I knew you could!

        OK, now this one is harder. Can you say "probable cause?" Yay!!

  8. Paul   15 years ago

    And the FBI says it's simply preserving its existing intercept authority, not expanding it

    This is bullshit. The FBI already has the intercept authority. No one's taken it away from them. There's nothing in their existing authority that says that I (or anyone else) have to hand the FBI clarity.

    The FBI may listen and intercept all of my communications if they have probable cause and have secured the proper and legal warrants. Their problems in being able to understand the communications are all their own.

    1. Tulpa   15 years ago

      This.

      It would be like requiring phone companies to provide an English translation of every telephone conversation they want to listen in on.

      1. John Thacker   15 years ago

        From the FBI's point of view, they're losing a capability. Someone invents a new method that they can't tap, that to them is losing a capability. (Just as replacing POTS with encrypted VOIP would be.)

        Yeah, it's pretty much bullshit, but it's not too difficult to understand their mindset.

        1. Paul   15 years ago

          But they can tap it. It's just hard, and when they do tap it, they claim the can't understand what they've tapped.

          This would be the equivalent of passing a law where all CB Radio manufacturers have to provide a secondary transmission over a cell phone line that the FBI can easily listen in on... because the CB transmitters can move making it too hard to follow.

  9. R C Dean   15 years ago

    Say, isn't it time to update that poster so that Uncle Sam looks vaguely like Obama rather than Bush?

    1. Paul   15 years ago

      Racist.

      1. Barely Suppressed Rage   15 years ago

        He said Uncle Sam, not Uncle Tom.

  10. Barely Suppressed Rage   15 years ago

    You know who else wanted to monitor the interwebz?

    1. Tulpa   15 years ago

      James Knox Polk?

    2. Fatty Bolger   15 years ago

      This guy?

  11. Pro Libertate   15 years ago

    I'm encrypting my thoughts. Just in case.

    1. Fed'rul gubmint   15 years ago

      All your thoughts are belong to us.

    2. Paul   15 years ago

      Please provide them, unencrypted and in an organized, coherent fashion upon request... oh, and what does "crumb bun" mean?

    3. HAARP Researcher   15 years ago

      Won't do you any good once our Mind Control Beacon is complete.

    4. AlmightyJB   15 years ago

      "I'm encrypting my thoughts"

      The computers tell us what you're going to think before you think it. BTW..you're under arrest.

  12. Episiarch   15 years ago

    Didn't Obama say something about stopping this shit? Oh, that's right. For a microsecond, I forgot he was an inveterate liar.

    1. The Thinking Man's NASCAR   15 years ago

      I think Jim Geraghty at NRO summed it up best: all statements made by Barack Obama come with an expiration date. All of them.

    2. f 'em up chuck   15 years ago

      er.. invertabrate

      1. waffles   15 years ago

        off to salmonella with you, librarian fool!

        1. Fatty Bolger   15 years ago

          Ah, salmonella, the librarian pair of dice.

  13. fresnodan   15 years ago

    As someone who worked at the NSA (national secrity agency) in my youth, it is the bureacratic dogma at its most dogmatic. They can't listen to, read, understand, or act on a teeny, tiny fraction of what they already intercept, but by God, they don't want there to be anything out there that they can't intercept.
    O, and sometimes, those damn sneeky criminals, spies, and foreigners, what they say on the telephone isn't true, ON PURPOSE!

    1. PapayaSF   15 years ago

      The other issue, as I understand it, is that much of the problem can already be solved by traffic analysis: simply knowing who is communicating tells you a lot.

  14. Pro Libertate   15 years ago

    I'm surprised that encryption or anything other than copying the federal government on all communications is still legal.

    Freedom is a bitch, isn't it?

    1. robc   15 years ago

      We have John Ashcroft to thank for much of it being legal.

      1. John Thacker   15 years ago

        Indeed, Ashcroft was good on encryption in the Senate, and he was far better in the Bush Administration than nearly everyone else, from "moderates" (like Frum and those who hated the disloyal) to Cheney.

        I always thought that much, perhaps most, of the opposition to Ashcroft arose from pure bigotry.

        1. robc   15 years ago

          Ashcroft did bring some of it on himself with stupidity like covering nudity on statues.

          But, yeah, otherwise agree. He and Paul O'Neill were the only decent cabinet choices by Bush, and neither lasted very long (although Ashcroft was much longer than O'Neill).

          1. John Thacker   15 years ago

            Ashcroft did bring some of it on himself with stupidity like covering nudity on statues.

            He should have sucked it up and bore it, even though the press was being childish by insisting on repeatedly photographing him (and running the photograph) with the statue in-frame and beside him because it amused them.

            And the insane outburst against him long predated the whole statue controversy anyway. When he was picked I thought "That's a great pick because he's pretty good on civil liberties in the Senate but the Religious Right will love him as one of theirs." Unfortunately, I forgot to count on him being hated for being religious too.

            Pentacostals tend not trust the government very much; Baptists at least have states and areas where they're a majority.

      2. John Thacker   15 years ago

        And as Declan reminds us, we nearly had Biden to blame for something similar to this ten years ago, since Biden proposed a similar bill back when Ashcroft was trying to legalize encryption.

  15. Enjoy Every Sandwich   15 years ago

    Bracing myself for massively stupid sheep comments like "if you have nothing to hide blah blah blah".

    1. kc   15 years ago

      don't you mean "if you have nothing to hide bah bah bah" 😉

      1. waffles   15 years ago

        I did not fuck that sheep! No, I'm not feeling guilty, not one bit. You can't prove it was me anyway.
        This is slander, uh I mean libel!
        Where's my lawyer!?

        1. Butt Monkey   15 years ago

          Off fucking a sheep. Well, he never said he WASN'T off fucking sheep. So clearly, he could be fucking sheep RIGHT NOW instead of representing you.

          I hope that makes you feel better.

          1. jasno   15 years ago

            How about we coin a new term - "Fucked the sheep". It'll be for blogs what "jumping the shark" is for TV shows.

            "That reason blog used to be good, until they went and fucked the sheep."

    2. EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy   15 years ago

      The proper response to "If you have nothing to hide..." is "You first".

      Some specifics:

      * Government to answer Freedom of Information requests. All of them. Promptly.
      * Let's see that file Mr. bush was showing all over the world about why we had to invade Afganistan.
      * Lets have the lists of extraordinary renditions and lets see who authorized them. While were at out, pony who was tortured when and on whose say-so.
      * Police department to publish the names of officers involved in a various death and puppycides, and to acknowledge that the public is entitled to film them as they go about their duties.

      and so on ad nauseum.

      That's really a trivial excuse to beat down because the authoritarians have so much more to hide than the people they want to rule...

      1. Lurker Kurt   15 years ago

        Let's see that file Mr. bush was showing all over the world about why we had to invade Afganistan.

        Don't you mean Iraq?

        IIRC, Afganistan was pretty clear cut. The U.S. demanded that the Taliban hand over the Al-Queda members. The Taliban refused.

        Thus the Casus Belli.

        1. EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy   15 years ago

          I quite agree.

          But so what?

          He said trust us. We did. And even after the threat was neutralized they held onto the secrets.

          That does not make me willing to trust again in the future. The whole stupidity surounding Iraq is just icing on the cake of "No, we can't let you see the basis on which we waged a good war, and trust us it was good..."

        2. EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy   15 years ago

          Perhaps I should expand on that comment a little. Mr Bush surprised me by not going off half cocked. Instead he (and various lieutenants) went around to a substantital fraction of the worlds governments showing them a file about how we knew the Al Queda did it and knew they were in Afganistan with the Taliban's consent.

          Fair enough. Best foreign policy move of his administrations.

          But we still haven't seen what was in that super-secret-file that they showed to dozens of other governments. WTF?

          1. Lurker Kurt   15 years ago

            I believe it was common knowledge that Al-Queda was in Afghanistan.

            I will go out on a limb and suggest the secret part of the file was 'sources and methods'.

  16. wylie   15 years ago

    Note to Skype:

    Relocate your business operations to Costa Rica. That is all.

  17. Paul   15 years ago

    What about open source encryption communication tools?

    1. Kolohe   15 years ago

      Didn't the legislation in '94 ('clipper chip' and all that) very nearly outlaw public key encryption?

      1. Matthew   15 years ago

        It did not outlaw PGP, which is, for all intents and purposes, uncrackable.

        1. Pro Libertate   15 years ago

          I don't think it did anything. Clipper mostly didn't happen, if I recall correctly.

        2. Trespassers W   15 years ago

          What about for all intensive purposes?

          Yeahbut seriously, what about Paul's question? Don't they have to outlaw encryption entirely? Or do they really expect to be able to put a backdoor in open source tools?

          1. Intensive Porpoise   15 years ago

            click click clack eki eki thwang

          2. waffles   15 years ago

            you goofy librarian, you have to just tow the lion and talk about intensive porpoises don't yah? I'd tell you to go off to salmonella but now a bird in the hand is a mute point.

    2. Lurker Kurt   15 years ago

      I was wondering that myself, Paul.

      Even if RIM and Skype and other commercial entities enable back doors into their products, couldn't some freeware communication tool be used instead?

      Surely, somewhere in the world is a computer science major with sympathies towards Al-Queda.

  18. robc   15 years ago

    Repeating from earlier thread, I dont know which is worse:

    1. They dont understand how crypto works.

    2. They do understand how crypto works.

  19. Matthew   15 years ago

    I guess they haven't heard of PGP encryption. Probably just as well.

  20. Matthew   15 years ago

    I guess I should read the previous comments before I post.

  21. TrickyVic   15 years ago

    I'm curious if this will lead to a international Internet police, or if governments will start looking for ways break up the World Wide Web. Every country will want the ability to do what Obama is asking.

    1. wylie   15 years ago

      Every country will want the ability to do what Obama is asking.

      Saudi Arabia has already ordered a copy of whatever results from this legislation, sight unseen. Iran will just download a cracked version a few months later. Oh, and as usual, I bet the Chinese already have a version of the product that allows 10x as much oppression at 1/4th the operating cost.

    2. Tulpa   15 years ago

      The UN is already trying to pry the root servers away from the US government, arguing that the Internet belongs to the entire world. Of course, the UN is for all intents and purposes a democracy of dictators, so you can bet the first thing they would do is start restricting speech on the net once they got their filthy blue-hat paws on the root servers.

      1. dbcooper   15 years ago

        +1

      2. robc   15 years ago

        The nice thing is that they cant really take them away.

        Anyone could set up their own root servers, or a distributed set of servers and use there own DNS instead of the "official" one.

        1. Lurker Kurt   15 years ago

          I've only had some basic networking classes, but isn't the Internet basically an agreement on how to set up hardware and software? No one person or organization actually controls it?? There is no 'off' switch.

          Aren't attempts to inhibit information flow considered 'damage' the TCP/IP will attempt to route around?

          1. Ted Stevens   15 years ago

            Actually, the internet is a series of toobs, you see, and...

          2. robc   15 years ago

            Sort of, but the "route around" thing is overblown. There are limits. One yahoo with a backhoe in Minnesota took down big chunks of the internet for a day that couldnt be routed around, as a 2nd route didnt exist.

            But, many of the protocols are just that, protocols. Your DNS server can override any url->IP mappings it wants, heck, you can do it on your machine. I do it all the time for testing prior to a DNS switch.

            Lets say production.example.com is at 3.0.0.2 and testing.example.com is at 3.0.0.3. (The 3.* is internal GE, its supposed to be routable but GE isnt using it that way. They are using it as a 10.*).

            I, on my machine, will define production.example.com as 3.0.0.3 in order to test prior to making a DNS switch that switches production and testing.

      3. Paul   15 years ago

        Of course. France would veto any addition of 'neo-nazi' websites. All information found 'offensive' to certain cultures would be blocked. China would veto Google.

        1. TrickyVic   15 years ago

          And the UN would probably agree.
          Freedom in the 21st century is about not upsetting people and deferring to authority.

  22. kinnath   15 years ago

    One can only hope that the deep pockets that are likely to be affected by this fight back hard instead of trying to negotiate "regulations" that give them some competitive advantage.

  23. Shocked   15 years ago

    I can avoid intercepts by having face to face conversations (assuming no eaves dropping. Are they going to require a fed be present at all conversations?

    1. John Thacker   15 years ago

      Nah, they only have to recruit enough undercover agents so that you're never sure if whom you're talking to is a Fed.

      1. TFG   15 years ago

        You can tell who the Fed is because he's the one trying to get you to agree to commit a terrorist act.

  24. Spur   15 years ago

    Sanchez is dead on on this one and I thought Greenwald was spot on too - not always on his wavelength but his piece today on this issue was great...

  25. Rrabbit   15 years ago

    I guess I'll have to change my signature again:

    FBI CIA MI5 MAD KGB bomb nuke Saddam
    al Qaeda Marx NSA anthrax Mossad Chtulhu Secret Service Ghaddafi Assad RAF IRA

  26. Facebook   15 years ago

    North Korea Likes This.

  27. grylliade   15 years ago

    I bet you that His Majesty's Government would have been delighted to have this capability during the American Revolution. They could have rounded up those pesky "minutemen" and arrested them before they had the chance to really be a nuisance if they could have read their correspondence.

    1. S. Adams @ sonsofliberty.org   15 years ago

      Hey Pat - did U see TJ laff so hard beer cam out his nose? LOL!

      C U at the tree tonite

    2. ???   15 years ago

      um the internet wasn't created until al gore invented it in 1987. dumbass.

  28. bob_patriot   15 years ago

    This country needs to stop this attack on small business!!!!
    Marx would be proud of congress! Sarah Palin should get americans to stop Ted Kennedy and this attack on small business!!!!!!!

    1. Just Isaac   15 years ago

      People like you make me sad for the libertarian movement.

  29. TrickyVic   15 years ago

    I have the feeling that this is more about giving the domestic law enforcement some tools the NSA already use.

  30. Mad Max   15 years ago

    Also, require homeowners (subject to strict penalties) to keep a house key under the doormat in case federal agents come calling with a warrant. Much more civilized than no-knock raids, don't you think?

    1. Barely Suppressed Rage   15 years ago

      Who needs a key when they have breaching rounds?

    2. Tulpa   15 years ago

      Shouldn't you be on the cop shooting unborn baby thread?

    3. Mr. Chartreuse   15 years ago

      Even better, forcibly install card readers, at homeowner's expense, and the happy policemen get the equivalent of a skeleton key in card form.

  31. Old School Investigator   15 years ago

    "investigators have been concerned for years that changing communications technology could damage their ability to conduct surveillance."

    Also, those fucking sheephorseless carriages let suspects get away easier.

  32. bunkerbill   15 years ago

    Rest easy, what ever the government mandates, some 14 year old hacker will be able to undue with a couple of hours work.

  33. Time to go...   15 years ago

    I just cannot wait when those ISP's and smart-phone service providers who refuse to "play ball" get their service blacked out by the feds. Then the USA will be in league with such economic- and social-freedom heavyweights as the UAE, Saudi Arabia and India. Go Team America!!!

  34. lj220   13 years ago

    his is a clear man TYF220GDH

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