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Congress has passed a $26 billion aid package that is intended to save the jobs of thousands of teachers, nurses, and other public-sector employees. To critics who call the measure a "special interest" bill, President Barack Obama says , "I suppose if America's children and the safety of our communities are your special interest, then it is a special interest bill."

In politics everyone claims to be on the side of the children, but who really is? Pat DeLorenzo is a parent whose daughter suffers from epilepsy. Like roughly 10,000 other epileptic schoolchildren in California, eight-year-old Gianna suffers from the type of prolonged seizures that, without immediate attention, can result in brain damage or death. After witnessing the response of teachers and school nurses to one of his daughter's life-threatening seizures, Pat DeLorenzo now believes that teachers and nurses care more about protecting union jobs than saving epileptic children.

DeLorenzo feared the worst when he receive a call from his daughter's school, informing him that she had suffered a seizure. Gianna survived that day, but DeLorenzo was outraged that school administrators had not given his daughter Diastat, a drug that stops seizures before they do permanent harm and is FDA-approved for use by laypeople. Today many schoolchildren must wait until an ambulance brings them to a hospital before they receive Diastat. That's much too long, says DeLorenzo who supports, SB 1051, a California bill that would allow trained non-medical volunteers to administer Diastat at schools.

Epilepsy advocates like the Epilepsy Foundation and physicians groups like the California Medical Association have lined up to support the bill. Unions representing teachers, nurses, and other public employees have lined up in opposition, claiming the bill would put children in danger. Their solution: hire more school nurses.

"The unions are not on the side of the kids," says DeLorenzo who believes unions are more interested in expanding their ranks than protecting epileptic children.

"It's exactly the opposite," says Gayle McClean, southern section president of the California School Nurses Organization and a member of the California Teachers Association. "We care deeply for children and we want them to receive the most appropriate care and that means they need a licensed medical person caring for them."

Sacramento lawmakers sided with unions and have refused to bring the bill up for a vote. The bill will officially expire on August 31.

"Union Jobs vs. Children's Lives" is written and produced by Ted Balaker. Field Producers: Paul Detrick and Zach Weissmueller; Additional Camera: Austin Bragg, Production Associate: Sam Corcos.

Approximately 7.30 minutes.

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  1. this is like the union deals making it so that NYC still had to pay teachers who were convicted child molesters, even after they were no longer allowed to teach

    Why the hell hasn’t it occured to anybody to sue to get rid of such policies as unconscionable? These are the types of things that ruling was designed for.

    Indeed, in the case of NYC, I’ll bet that the city actually could not foresee that they would be paying child molesters

    1. Unless the funds to pay off the lawsuit come out of the budget paid to union teachers, why should the union give a damn whether you sue the school system? It just means that their costs go up, so they have a better case to raise property taxes, and once the immediate rash of lawsuits subsides the extra money can be dumped into union salaries.

      1. No I meant the city sue the union so that they don’t have to pay those teachers anymore. The city is obligated to perform its contracts, but there is such a thing as an unconscionable contract, or section of a contract.

  2. I am not following the logic of this post. So they wanted to hire more nurses and teachers. Ok. But did they object to giving the medicine to?

    1. In my experience with public employee unions it works like this:

      1) That’s not our job, hire someone else to do it.

      2) Oh, you can’t afford to hire someone else? We can do it if you give us just a little raise for the extra responsibilities we’ll have.

    2. John, the teachers are opposing a bill that makes it legal (?) or ok for a layperson to administer the anti-seizure drug. The teachers’ union is opposing the bill, saying that instead of making this legal/ok, more (union) nurses should be hired, and they will administer it.

      It’s actually breathtakingly reprehensible, but the teachers’ union has stopped being able to surprise me. They are truly the scum of the earth.

      1. That is what I thought. But for some reason it doesn’t seem clear in the post. And yes, it is despicable on their part.

  3. “It’s exactly the opposite,” says Gayle McClean, southern section president of the California School Nurses Organization and a member of the California Teachers Association. “We care deeply for children and we want them to receive the most appropriate care and that means they need a licensed medical person caring for them.”

    This person needs a kick in the gunt. With a steel toed cowboy boot.

    1. It hilarious that the unions insist a trained professional is not only preferable but necessary to administer a drug designed specifically to be used by untrained non-medical personnel.

  4. How about we just give every child a government monitor who observes the child 24/7 and renders any and all aid, education, and “emotional support” necessary? Will that satisfy the nanny-staters, moral busybodies, unions, covert perverts and everyone who’s “doing it for the kids”?

    1. No, it won’t. Those monitors are called “parents” and the nanny-staters, moral busybodies, unions, covert perverts and everyone else screech to high heaven and do everything they can to make it hard for parents not to subject their children to public schools. Just like with medicine designed for use by lay people, education must be subject to the control of the experts, not lay people.

      1. All hail the Technocracy?

    2. You’re on to something there, Malaise.

  5. …Diastat, a drug that stops seizures before they do permanent harm and is FDA-approved for use by laypeople. (Emphasis mine)

    “It’s exactly the opposite,” says Gayle McClean, southern section president of the California School Nurses Organization and a member of the California Teachers Association. “We care deeply for children and we want them to receive the most appropriate care and that means they need a licensed medical person caring for them.”

    Fuck you, Gayle. Fuck you very much.

    1. I hate these people. I hate them so, so, so very, very much.

      Saying physicians ‘don’t understand’ how the school systems work – Yeah, that’s right you lousy ass-covering sonsofbitches, you don’t want to bother, to have to care when a child’s sick.

      As BakedPenguin said: Fuck you.

      1. Well obviously the teachers don’t understand how medicine works.

    2. they need a licensed medical person caring for them

      If one is fucking available, otherwise it is better to have a layperson administer the drug than to fucking die.

      Fuck you you fucking fuck Gail, you are only worried about your own fucking liability, not the children’s safety. While most seizures are fairly harmless, provided you aren’t driving, swimming, on a roof etc., Status Epilepticus (continuous seizures) MUST be treated immediately to prevent DEATH or BRAIN DAMAGE. This drug is meant to be used by a LAYPERSON because it doesn’t involve a hypodermic needle that could possibly break off inside a convulsing person.

      1. To be fair to the teachers union, it is likely that a very few of their members are actually competent to administer even an oral drug.

        “Apparently, the student’s eyeball was ruptured when his 10th grade biology teacher attempted to administer the oral drug through the teenager’s eye.”

        1. Typical. A *smart* teacher would have confused oral with aural and administered the drug through the ear.

      2. Why don’t people ever picket the fucking union halls when they pull this kind of shit?

        -jcr

        1. A lot of people have to go to work to pay for these assholes and their bullshit in the first place. They could protest on the weekends, but it’s not like any government reps will be hanging around on a Saturday to be accosted by an angry mob.

    3. I can’t remember the last time I wanted to slap someone so much.

      -jcr

  6. It is the almighty and all-powerful fear of litigation that freezes people into inaction in situations such as these – and in far too many others as well.

    The media (and just general urban legend) have done much to spread the fear of being sued for some outrageous amount in outrageous lawsuits. The result is that when something like this happens, most people just don’t want to get involved, or are so unsure what to do and fearful of the potential repercussions of doing the wrong thing, they end up simply not doing anything.

    1. Yup, that’s me.

      If I see somebody’s elementary school age kid having a seizure, I am running as fast as I can in the other direction.

      But then again, I’m not a teacher.

    2. Exactly, BSR, but that doesn’t and won’t stop folks who fell that union members and their leaders are the only folks in America of whom altrusim around the clock is expected.

  7. Just to be perfectly clear: the union is refusing to allow its members to take the training or administer this drug. It is opposing a bill that would allow volunteers to give the drug.

    The only circumstances under which the union will allow the drug to be given is either (a) at a hospital (after considerable expense and dangerous delay) or (b) by expanding the ranks of dues-paying union members.

    Stories like this remind me of why I believe that unions are a cancer.

    1. This is actually a step above the usual union bullshit and scumbaggery. We’re talking about letting people sustain permanent injury because of delayed application, in order to increase union ranks.

      This is a whole new level, and it surprises me not at all that it’s the teachers’ union doing it. Those fucking parasites have been told, and have been telling themselves, for so long that they are the noble suffering educators of the children, that they now actually believe that they deserve anything they can get.

      I hope the backlash against these megalomaniacal fucks comes as soon as possible.

    2. Stories like this remind me of why I believe that unions are a cancer.

      One has only to look at Detroit for all the proof you need.

      -jcr

  8. I was talking with someone about unions the other day. I said that I understood, to a point, the view that corporations are an ‘unnatural’ entity and there are some negative consequences of their existence. However, most people that I know who are against corporations are perfectly fine with unions. And it made me wonder how you could be fine with an ‘unnatural’ entity like a union, but think that corporations are the ultimate evil.

    1. Cognitive dissonance.

      1. Cognitive deficit.

    2. Class warfare. “Corporations” are run by rich fat cats wearing monocles and top hats and forcing their pet monkeys to do the same, while unions are full of blue collar, salt-of-the-earth workers who just want to make enough money to feed their families.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      The fact that they completely miss 1) that the union leadership are abject fat cats themselves, and 2) how anyone can think a bus driver making $200,000/year using crazy overtime rules is a blue-collar shmoe barely managing to feed his family, is what’s hilarious.

      Hating a certain type of rich person is far more important than seeing reality.

      1. Exactly, BP and Epi, it was something of a rhetorical…it’s funny (sad?), because as I said, I can admit the failings of the corporate entity, and even rationally discuss it, but when it comes time for me to bash a union, the froth comes out and the debate stops.

        1. Well, Lowdog, if you want the froth to stop, take the “debate” somewhere other than the dog-walk area at the trailer park.

    3. I have quite a huge problem with corporations. They are a legal shield created specifically to block the owners of a company from the actions of the entity they posses.

      In theory I am also pro-union, or at least union-indifferent. There is no coercion involved in a group of workers getting together and bargaining together as a collective with their employer.

      But civil service unions and even many private-sector unions are way out of line. They use the guns of the state to line their own pockets, at the expense of the taxpayers or their customers.

      1. omg|8.11.10 @ 4:29PM|#
        “In theory I am also pro-union, or at least union-indifferent. There is no coercion involved in a group of workers getting together and bargaining together as a collective with their employer.”

        True, and I have no problem so long as the employer can equally refuse to bargain with that group and fire them.
        And further, that “picket lines” are legally enforced to be “information lines”, not a line of thugs threatening violence.

      2. I agree with you for the most part…as I said, I can have a rational discussion of the issues. 🙂

      3. A couple of caveats…

        It’s not so much corporations themselves as it is limited liability specifically. There’s nothing wrong with people trading shares in publi companies, per se. But they need to be fully accountable financially.

        Also, unions are fine so long as they’re not monopoly organizations. Union monopolies present the save problems as any other monopoly.

        1. They are a legal shield created specifically to block the owners of a company from the actions of the entity they posses.

          It’s not so much corporations themselves as it is limited liability specifically.

          Are you two F-ing serious?

          Limited liability and the partnership or public company structure is fundamental to our capital system. Without limited liability no one should invest in anything that they don’t have dirrect oversight over.

        2. “It’s not so much corporations themselves as it is limited liability specifically.”

          Yep, this was the point I was trying to make. As far as I know the only application of “limited liability” has to do with corporations, but if any other aspect of life I don’t know about also has “limited liability” it is just as bad.

          “Also, unions are fine so long as they’re not monopoly organizations. Union monopolies present the save problems as any other monopoly.”

          My problem extends to “violent” monopoly. I’m not sure it would be possible for a union to have a monopoly without the use of violence, so our definitions as to what is wrong are probably one and the same.

          Saying, say, person A cannot teach because they don’t have a teachers license (which is distributed by the union) would be the perfect example of a “violent” monopoly, in this case on education.

          “Limited liability and the partnership or public company structure is fundamental to our capital system.”

          Limited liability is a disgusting perversion of a capitalist free market system. Why shouldn’t the owners of the company have to pay if the organization they are responsible for has an enormous screw-up? It would mean those owners would have to be very sure the company was open and honest. I don’t view this as a bad thing.

      4. “There is no coercion involved in a group of workers getting together and bargaining together as a collective with their employer.”

        you don’t know much about how unions operate, do you?

      5. I love unions and I do find a lot to that point.

    4. Hell, I’m all for corporations and unions. As nonnatural entities go they’ve both been great things imo…

  9. “We care deeply for children and we want them to receive the most appropriate care and that means they need a licensed medical person caring for them.”

    Which is exactly why no teacher should ever take CPR classes or first aid training for choking victims.

  10. “The unions are not on the side of the kids,” says DeLorenzo who believes unions are more interested in expanding their ranks than protecting epileptic children.

    Maybe if government kept itself to paving streets, fighting robbers and rapists and maintaining the courts, this kind of fight for stolen goods would not happen at those ridiculous levels.

    1. I would argue that all of those things are too vital to be left in the hands of the government… 🙂

      1. Re: tarran,

        I would argue that all of those things are too vital to be left in the hands of the government… 🙂

        Agreed! But most people argue that those things are what the government is for. If that were the case, a government would require only 1% or 2% in spend than today’s Leviathan.

  11. These people don’t deserve to be called human. They even make ordinary union thugs look bad.

    1. What’s funny is how right you are. The old private sector unions were far more amenable to reason. They just fought for a fair share, knowing that if they made the business unprofitable, they’d suffer too.

      Having talked to a couple of old private union guys, they fucking hate the teachers’ unions too.

    2. No, they are all too human.

      They are human beings in a gang of thieves writ large.

  12. This documentary makes an excellent point that really opened my eyes to a huge problem which must be addressed immediately.

    My fellow citizens, I intend to introduce legislation that will make it illegal for unlicensed laypersons to administer CPR.

  13. Will somebody, please, think of the children?

  14. So offer to pay the teacher administering the drug, say, $100.
    I bet the parent would be happy to cough it up. If not, how many times will it be administered each year in any one school? Certainly not enough to bust the budget. Take it out of the cheerleading budget – that’s not a real sport anyway!

    1. At $100 a pop there are probably people out there who will administer diastat every time a child sneezes…and the teachers union will defend it. In addition, hasn’t education spending, in real dollars, nearly doubled since the 70’s?

      1. I think they also fear that closet pedophiles they have been shielding in the ranks will finally have an excuse to molest children openly. If only they would fire the pedophiles outright instead of protecting them, and themselves, from outright public skull-fuckings. Union contracts are a bitch.

  15. Does anyone here think that maybe the teachers are themselves reluctant to give the medications? Diastat is a rectally administered version of valium. How many of you, if you saw someone having a seizure on the street, would be comfortable pulling down their pants and sticking medications up their rectums?

    I mean, I know everyone here is going to pile on the unions, but maybe some, or many, or most teachers wouldn’t want to touch this sort of thing with a ten foot pole. Maybe it is more appropriate for students with KNOWN epilepsy, who have the medication already prescribed to them, to have a medical staff person there in the school at all times to administer the medication in an emergency. Sure, it would cost more, but isn’t it more appropriate to have an extra nurses aid or someone with medical training on hand, rather than having the teachers trained to recognize and treat seizures?

    After all, if the teachers wanted to be in a medical field, they probably wouldn’t have chosen teaching in the first place.

    1. If you’d rather let a child die than be the one to stick a pill up her ass, then you deserve to be pulled apart by chimpanzees.

      1. ^^THIS^^

        I have worked with thousands of kids from all stripes. From the children of diplomats and NFL stars, to homeless kids. I am not a medical professional and have zero medical training. I can only speak for myself, but if a kid was having a seizure, I wouldn’t hesitate for a second at shoving a pill up their ass. Having put myself in a situation where protecting a kid left me vunerable to gunshots, a pill up the butt would be a non-event.

        1. Having put myself in a situation where protecting a kid left me vunerable to gunshots

          Crazy environmentalist – no goat is worth your life.

      2. It’s nice to finally see Warty be right about the treatment that someone’s ass deserves.

        1. STEVE SMITH JOIN TEACHER’S UNION. VOLUNTEER TO HLP.

        2. Warty didn’t say what he’d do after administering the medication.

      3. But would you end up on a sex offender registry?

      4. So Warty, if your boss came in tomorrow and explained that a new co-worker of yours had this condition and that now your juob duties entailed administering this medication to them, you would jump and say “Oh yes sir, yes sir!”?

        Or are you heartless?

        1. Do you have to remember to breathe? Jesus, you are a stupid man.

          SB 1051, a California bill that would allow trained non-medical volunteers to administer Diastat at schools.

          Think really hard about what volunteer means.

          1. And if it allows you don’t think the school administrators would require it as a job duty? I mean, these are those heartless government bureaucrat administrators you guys are always bitching about…

            1. This is a weak attempt at a bad-faith gotcha, even for you. Does your mother know how pitiful you are?

              1. Yes, she does. That’s why she stopped letting him sniff her cunt every morning before he left for school.

        2. And yes, I would volunteer to stick a pill up someone’s ass if it meant saving his life. Are you saying you wouldn’t?

          1. You would be fine with that as an added job description?

            I wouldn’t.

            1. You’re one heartless individual then. If it meant saving somebody’s life? Who wouldn’t be willing to do it?

            2. Good to know what kind of person you are.

              1. I don’t believe that you would happily accept this as a JOB DUTY (one that could be repeated) without complaint or renegotiation of job terms. I call bullshit buddy.

                1. Sad to see that you need money in order to help someone whose life is in danger.

                  Most parents have had occasion to give their kids a suppository medication. Its not really a big deal.

                  1. OK, so can you leave us your contact information, because you obviously would like to volunteer to do this for your local school district?

                    What? You don’t want to?

                    1. I’d be willing to, though not sure how much help I’d be. The nearest public school to where I work is 2 or 3 miles (as the crow flies) and it’d take me at least 15 minutes to get there (if you include leaving the office, getting my car from the parking deck, and driving surface streets to the highway). Which kind of takes away from the “this is needed to save their life, and it’s needed quickly” part. Might be better done by… you know, the teachers who are already there, in the school.

                      Now if someone at the office had an issue? I’d help out in a second.

                2. Of course a teacher should have the duty to save a child’s life, even if it means touching icky parts.

                  But that doesn’t matter, since no one but you is talking about making this a job duty. Are you capable of grasping this point? The bill is to allow teachers to volunteer to administer the pill, not to require them to. See if you can comprehend that. Try really hard.

                  1. He’s a fucking leftist moron. If he could grasp what “voluntary” meant, he probably wouldn’t be one. Remember, Warty… taxes are voluntary, just like everything else you are forced to do under gunpoint.

                    1. Can you not grasp that often things that become allowed in a workplace are then asked as a job duty of people at a later date? What are you people teen-agers? Have you guys ever worked for something other than a video stores?

                    2. You keep saying this, but it doesn’t stop being retarded. Feel free to keep saying it if you like, I guess.

                    3. Says the twat who wants to force doctors to treat people at gunpoint.

                      At least keep your idiot talking points straight.

              2. That’s why I would never do CPR on an accident victim. I might get a little spit or blood or vomit on me.
                /MNG impersonation

                1. often things that become allowed in a workplace are then asked as a job duty of people at a later date?

                  It was allowed in the work place until a 2009 bill… The Nurse’s Union made it not allowed.

                2. Mouth to mouth is right out.

            3. Asshat, the unions wants to forbid teachers who volunteer to take the training from doing it. And it’s not a suppository or something, it’s a plastic syringe.

        3. I’d do it, even though my ex- has called me a heartless bastard.

          ..and, other than the first aid training I recieved in the Navy and the Boy Scouts, I have no medical training.

      5. Buffalo Police say officers heard the cat meowing when they stopped 51-year-old Gary Korkuc of Cheektowaga to ticket him for running a stop sign Sunday night.
        They say they checked the trunk and found 4-year-old Navarro in a cage, his fur covered with oil, crushed red peppers and chili peppers.
        Police say Korkuc told them he did it because Navarro was ill-tempered. Korkuc was charged with cruelty and released; his phone number isn’t listed.
        Police say he told them he was going to cook Navarro.

        Korkuc also told officers a number of things that didn’t make sense, including that his neutered male cat was pregnant.

        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201…..nating_cat

        1. That was for Warty.

          1. I would not stick a pill in that man’s ass to save his life.

            1. Me neither. Animal abusers are nearly as scum sucking as MNG.

              1. You can almost smell the impotent rage coming from any Gobby post. Look, gobber, I’ve told you before you’re mom LIKES it, so stop hating…

                1. What else do you smell?

    2. Listen/read more closely. No one has said that the teachers should be required to do this. They’re asking that teachers who volunteer be allowed to be trained for this. And the union is saying…”no teachers, don’t volunteer, let’s get nurses.”

    3. C+. It was written pretty well, but your position is so retarded that it gives away the troll. Keep working at it, though. There’s potential there.

    4. Don’t most schools have at least one nurse on hand anyway?

  16. “I suppose if America’s children and the safety of our communities are your special interest, then it is a special interest bill.”

    What a tool.

  17. I can totally see why the teachers, union or not, might not want to be conscripted into giving kids meds. It’s not their field and they likely would fear some kind of lawsuit if anything bad happened (remember the “overlitiguous society” the right is always telling us about).

    Of course whether the pill is given by a nurse at the school or a teacher the crisis mentioned of having to wait at the hospital would be averted, so either the bill or the proposed hiring of sufficient nurses would fix the problem, right? So the union’s position is certainly not “heartless.”

    1. MNG, exactly what part of the word VOLUNTARY do you not understand?

      1. Once it is “allowed” how soon before it becomes a job requirement?

        This is what unions are supposed to do, represent their workers interests, taking the long view of keeping them from having the bargain they initially made be changed on them.

        1. Once it is “allowed” how soon before it becomes a job requirement?

          Umm, never?

          This is what unions are supposed to do, represent their workers interests, taking the long view of keeping them from having the bargain they initially made be changed on them.

          So if somebody tries to make it mandatory, the union ought to step in at that point.

          Blocking it here is nothing more or less than holding sick kids hostage to unions increasing their dues-paying membership.

        2. So, MNG, if a kid is choking and a union-represented teacher is standing right next to the kid, and CPR or the Heimlich are the only ways to save the kid… the teacher should wait for someone to show up and save their life.

          Got it.

    2. Ever hear of ‘lawsuit shield’? If the unions were afraid of their members being sued, they could have lobbied for such an amendment.

      They didn’t – they care about increasing membership, and protecting their members from the basic moral obligations of being, y’know, a human being.

    3. Re: MNG,

      I can totally see why the teachers, union or not, might not want to be conscripted into giving kids meds.

      They may be tax-fed leeches, but they certainly are NOT slaves. I agree with you, this whole thing stinks.

      The father may be giving us a great sob story, but why doesn’t HE take care of his special needs child himself? Why should us (the poor suckers whose money is forcebly taken from our wallets) pay for HIS problems?

      When it comes to stealing money, the spineless thiefs always resort to the ultimate of canards: “It’s for the little children!”

      1. I think my soul just threw up a little.

    4. The liability thing is the only thing you’ve got MNG

      Yes, I’d gladly take that responsibility. OK? If someone’s going to fucking die or get brain damage, then I don’t mind have that extra responsibility. Even if it’s fucking gross (rectally administered). It’s better than watching someone die or get all feebed out like you for the rest of his life.

      The only serious point you have is the liability, which would indeed scare me. People have been fucked over royally by this sort of thing, regardless of the fact they were trying to save a life/lives.

  18. “Diastat is a rectally administered version of valium.”

    holy shit, this is what we call a “material fact.”

    Uh, yeah, now I can totally see why a teacher would not want to do that…Jesus!

    1. MNG, you realize that we are talking about volunteers, here, not requiring any and all teachers to do this, yes?

      I think all the libertarians on this board would agree that no one should be required to administer potentially medication to someone, so we’re with you that far.

      I think what we have a problem with is the union blocking a bill that would allow this to be done by volunteers. Are you in favor of that?

      1. If I were a teacher there I would ask my union rep to oppose this, because in workplaces once something is “allowed” it has this way of becoming “required” as a condition of employment. This tendency btw is the genesis for many a union rule…

        1. Not in public schools it doesn’t.

        2. I’m confrused about something, where was the school nurse in the DeLorenzo case? Are there schools with no nurses whatsoever?

  19. ARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARFARF!!!!!!!!!

    1. I guess summer school would be getting out now…

      1. That was me. Go fuck yourself, asscunt.

        1. Oh my God, it’s been Gobby with the childish barking stuff! Who would have thunk it?

          1. Just this time.

          2. A lecture on childishness from you is irony overload.

            “Oh, union rights, oh worker’s rights, oh the poor and the opressed… let me polish my halo!”

            But you are your real self on the board, aren’t you? A childish, venal little cunt that gets off on being an annoying troll. Quite a fine fucking life you’ve carved out for yourself, Mr. PhD.

            Just remember… you’ve peaked out here. This is the highest point in your life, being a dumbshit troll on blog. Congratulations, retard.

            1. What is his PhD in, anyway? I’ll guess Anthropology.

              1. It’s hard to tell. The toilet paper it was printed on was used a few times beforehand.

            2. “I’ve told you before you’re mom LIKES it”

              “Have you guys ever worked for something other than a video stores.”

              MNG, you got you’re degree in a English grammars right?

    2. This is your most articulate comment yet.

      Regards,
      TDL

      1. Oh never mind. I had too much faith that you could be so articulate.

  20. Look, I think any good person if they found themselves in the situation would be willing to administer this drug to save a kids life.

    I also think though that if anyone were asked to do this with some possible regularity as a job duty they would have some degree of balking. The union’s job is to “balk” for their members…

    1. So if the union kills this bill, what happens if a kid needs the drug and a teacher chooses to administer it after all? Wouldn’t there have to be some disciplinary action against the teacher who chose to administer the medicine?

    2. Math teacher: “You know, my favorite thing to do while my students are dying on the floor my favorite thing to do is stand around balking.”

      English teacher: “I’d only stick a pill in dying kid’s rectum were I get paid twice my salary.”

      Biology teacher: “Wait, what’s a rectum again?”

  21. It’s hilarious to see the same people who oppose card check because if that rule is in place people MIGHT be threatened to check the card go all “well of course once it’s allowed it won’t be expected of teachers, it says VOLUNTARY, don’t you understand?”

    1. Look over there! Card check! Look!

  22. al schanker of the AFT once said, “I don’t represent kids, they don’t pay dues”.
    NUFF SAID ABOUT TEACHERS CARING FOR KIDS.

  23. Would this really be much of an issue in a Catholic school?

    1. lol no…

  24. Unions are always wrong.

  25. Obama makes me retch. It’s as simple as that.

  26. Sure, MNG. The feds setting the rules on holding union elections and school districts defining employee duties are just totally indistinguishable.

  27. Well everyone…I was going to leave a comment much like the others, but I decided to look up what Diastat is. Here is a link to the instructions on how to administer the drug: http://www.diastat.com/pdf/Ped admin.pdf
    Now, as a teacher myself, I am willing to leap over tall buildings and run into burning buildings for my kids, but this medicine is administered rectally, and it isn’t just a shot in the butt. I would not feel comfortable administering this drug and would expect it be administered by a nurse, parent, or relative. Please, check out the instructions and some of you may change your view…I know I did.

    1. Fine. You don’t have to volunteer. But others might be willing to. Shouldn’t they be able to do so?

      1. Absolutely! There just seems to be no end to the cuts at the school level, yet schoolboard members vote themselves raises to add on to their 6 digit salaries. The county I work in is now 2 years without the experience increase (approx. $150/yr.), nor any kind of pay increase. Our state is paying about $10,000/yr. less than average. So….the union may be standing on the principle that you can’t just keep cutting school staff and expecting teachers to carry the extra burden of the lost staff…especially when board members aren’t cutting their own pay/benefits during these “tough times”.

        1. Yeah, except California has the highest average teacher salary in the nation (2007 is the best I can do) and jack to show for it. And that’s just salary. Everyone knows that Cali pensions are generous while CalSTRS is underwater and will at some point require a taxpayer bailout.

          Teachers in some states may be right to complain, but a) one of those states isn’t California, and b) using disabled children’s lives as a weapon is pure evil.

    2. It looks . . . much easier than CPR. There might be a need for a second person to hold the patient still if they’re having a seizure, though.

      Really, there’s nothing objectionable about it except the fears involved whenever children and private parts are concerned – and as senseless as those fears are in this situation, I can kind of understand.

  28. What point is the woman at 3:12 trying to make? Afraid the nurse might squirt the drug in the wrong place?

  29. Notes about the actual bill:

    1. It would indemnify anyone acting in good faith against criminal and civil liability, including sex offenses or perceived injuries, even though they’re already indemnified under California law. In other words, legal risk is minimal.
    2. Parents must provide written authorization for a non-medical employee to administer diastat.
    3. Parents must provide “all materials necessary to administer diastat.” Aside from the cost of training, which is far lower than hiring a nurses, costs are covered by parents.
    4. Doctors must provide all the instructions, including dosage, frequency, identifying symptoms, potential adverse responses, observation protocol, etc.
    5. There have been laws allowing volunteers to administer insulin in our schools for a long time, without any major issues of coercion. The bill explicitly prohibits coercion and mentions Section 504 accommodations as an alternative if no volunteer is found. (In other words, STFU MNG.)
    6:36. “We think the solution is school districts need to hire.”

    Look, the unions can make several arguments here. They can say it’s unsafe to rely on volunteers for life-saving medical treatments, that we need to hire more nurses, and that these laws are not a long-term solution. They can say that they vigorously oppose any liability for good faith efforts and any force applied to make teachers volunteer. What they choose to say is “your money or your kids’ livelihoods.”

  30. In short the Nurses Organization and teachers unions are holdling these kid’s lives hostage until they get more members (and dues).

    Disgusting doesn’t being to describe it.

  31. As a nurse myself, I have taught “laypeople” how to give all types of meds through all routes; IM, IV, rectal, oral, SQ, even vaginal. It’s not brain surgery….that woman is an embarassment to the profession. The unions have to go! One of her classmates could do it easily…

  32. During my 32 years as an educator, I rarely had access to a school nurse. In the school in which I spent 29 of those years, in an emergency we could call a county nurse whose office was 20 miles away. In the other, larger district we had one school nurse who was responsible for seven schools.

    Over the years we have had many students that had problems that could be life threatening wihout immediate medication or other treatment. Teachers have never been allowed to administer medications – ever. This was always handled through the office. This did not make me unhappy. Although trained in CPR and First Aid, I never felt comfortable deciding if and when medication was necessary. We did have excellent EMT’s nearby, and often had one or more on our staff.

    Faced with a situation in which a child’s health is severly threatened if I did NOT act, I would certainly do so, consequences be damned. However, I do believe that in most instances, a trained professional would serve better.

    In the recent past I served a severly handicapped student who is subject to seizures. Due to his condition, it is difficult for a lay person like myself to determine when he is having a seizure. In fact, I have been wrong in my assessment both ways. Fortunately, I had a trained person in the building that could better determine what was happening, and I was able to quickly get their assistance.

    I think there are better ways to handle this situation than putting it on classroom teachers. We weren’t allowed to keep any medications in classrooms anyway, lest some other child accidentally get ahold of them. Training office personnel would be better. Of course, school nurses would be a GREAT resource, and not just for administering meds. (I didn’t even know they had a union, and they certainly aren’t in the teachers’ association.)

    A final note on the greedy teachers: After 30 years of teaching and coaching, I reached a milestone and surpassed $50,000 ($50,232)in annual salary. That was three years ago and we haven’t had a raise since. Thank God I was able to retire this year, as my fellow teachers are getting a pay cut this year.

    1. and how much do you now get per year for your pension?

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  34. I like to read this article.Epilepsy advocates like the Epilepsy Foundation and physicians groups like the California Medical Association have lined up to support the bill. Unions representing teachers, nurses, and other public employees have lined up in opposition, claiming the bill would put children in danger. Their solution: hire more school nurses.

  35. If the unions want to hire more nurses, they should fire one of the many redundant administrators, janitors, or campus superintendents that over populate their ranks.

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  38. Artificial dichotomy. The two are not opposed.

  39. Disabled children are most in need of help, they are the country’s future hope, to encourage them and to support their .

  40. Having been married to a L.A. teacher and all but being married to another teacher in Colorado there is a huge difference. In L.A. the pay is very high with extra pay in bad areas (thank you drug laws for making more violence). The commute alone is enough to qualify to PTSD disability. But the state’s entire retirement system is designed to ultra pay these uber upper management people who are untouchable even and old 60 minutes episode which showed teacher gong to Target to buy pencils to have `0 that the school would normally pay with their contract. The woman in charge at that time (she was old and no doubt living on a HUGE pension(s).
    In Colorado my other teacher is alway winning awards as the best teacher and she is, she is like rock star to her students who ALL eventually seek her to say thank you for pushing you were the ONLY teacher who cared enough now I have a good job and have gone back to school. She is AGAINST her own union claiming EXACTLY what Reason.com presents w/out even knowing that you exist.
    But like ALL GOOD teachers they are fed up. They designed and proved their methods and then Uncle Sam (who desperately needs to go back to school “Himself”) blunders in and uses extortion to get their way.
    Other countries are training as much if not more than educate so when their kids get out of school they have a job. We on the other hand force student to take absurd courses to “round” out their education. Let their life experience do that job.
    If the gov’t want to make yet another bureaucracy have one that has the power to take away ANY PUBLIC empoyees retirement or take a few yrs. away with complete autonomy. THIS AND THIS ALONE will defeat the unions and the awful women who ask for MORE in the of “equality”.

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  42. What a great sales tool for organized labor! Risk your child’s life or hire more nurses.

    This behavior is extortionate.

  43. Currently i do not think future laws are what is causing the lion’s share of the uncertainty among employers.

  44. No I meant the city sue the union so that they don’t have to pay those teachers anymore. The city is obligated to perform its contracts, but there is such a thing as an unconscionable contract, or section of a contract.

  45. Having been married to a L.A. teacher and all but being married to another teacher in Colorado there is a huge difference. In L.A. the pay is very high with extra pay in bad areas (thank you drug laws for making more violence). The commute alone is enough to qualify to PTSD disability. But the state’s entire retirement system is designed to ultra pay these uber upper management people who are untouchable even and old 60 minutes episode which showed teacher gong to Target to buy pencils to have `0 that the school would normally pay with their contract.

  46. I was working at Kelly School when there was shooter on campus (2 children were shot Oct. 8,2010). We went into a 3 hour lock down and children were hyperventilating and vomiting and some had injuries. Teachers were not CPR and First aid trained due to the California Teacher Association’s idiotic rules that teachers should not have the added responsibility… The Union subjects not only epileptic children to danger but every child within the school system. Face it anything can happen and teachers should not be ignorant, uncertified and unwilling to come to the aid of children in the time of need!

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