Do Libertarians Belong at Sea?

The Seasteading Project floats through a second aquatic festival


Reason has delved recently into various arguments for where libertarians' political energies are best aimed, both in our August-September cover story (in which Brink Lindsey, Jonah Goldberg, and Matt Kibbe hash over the appropriateness of the modern right and Tea Party movement as a libertarian berth) and in my follow-up in which I suggested libertarians' educational mission still has a long way to go before meaningful political alliances are worth thinking hard about.

Some libertarians, though, are concerned with neither standard politics nor educational missions. The larger libertarian movement has always had members who just want to create as free a life for themselves as they can in a statist world, whether through such expedients as black market countereconomics, survivalist escapism, or, in the most recent and best publicized example of what is sometimes called "libertarian Zionism," heading for the high seas in artificial floating countries. That's the goal of the Seasteading Institute, which I profiled in Reason magazine back in July 2009.

The weekend before last, I attended what was essentially the second annual Ephemerisle festival, the attempt by the Seasteading Institute and its supporters to gather on the water in an atmosphere of fellowship and fun, and begin working out the theory and practice of unregulated aquatic living. (I wrote about my experiences at the first Ephemerisle for Reason Online last October.)

This year, the Seasteading Institute backed out of an official role in organizing or selling tickets to the festival when they found the costs of insuring it prohibitively expensive. (They did it sans insurance the first time, but decided it wasn't prudent to repeat that experiment. They are hoping to work out an affordable plan for next year's planned festival.) But a meeting place and time had already been decided on, and plans to have a get-together that weekend were already made, so what was called by different people at different times the "Floating Festival," (Un)Ephemerisle, and "Schmeschmemerisle" happened anyway, without any official imprimatur, out on the Sacramento River Delta.

This year, no communal floating platform space was provided, and without art grants from the organizers, very little in the way of originally created art was there. But the Seasteading folk helped finance the purchase of a barge to be recommissioned into a multipurpose living and showboat by Chicken John Rinaldi, the San Francisco showman and builder (and former mayoral candidate) who had designed and supervised the building of the communal platform for Ephemerisle last year.

Getting that boat sealed, refinished, and functional took a handful of people three weeks of work. I joined the crew at a berth in Bethel Island Friday afternoon for the final frantic 24 hours of painting and decorating, wiring, installing the Mercedes engine that hung off the stern of the boat to propel it, extending the hull back up a bit to replace the parts that had to be cut away to hang the engine (carpenter Marc Roper treaded water for hours doing the woodwork from the outside), and finally sailing it slowly to rendezvous with the rest of the Seasteaders, who had all rented houseboats from a nearby marina. (One intrepid fellow who flew in from England repurposed bits of a homemade floating platform from last year, making it the only non-bought floatation solution at this year's event.)

Anton Berteaux, the main engineer on the project, described the propulsion: "It's a five cylinder turbo diesel engine from an early 80s Mercedes 300td. We are using the automatic transmission that it came with, with a long structure sticking off the back to support the driveshaft with the propeller on the end of solid stainless shaft off the end of that. It sits on a '5th wheel' trailer hitch, which is a miniature version of the hitch on a semi truck, which has a swiveling table that catches a pin that allows rotation." Steering it tightly was the work of three men, one standing between the two long handles, and one on either end pushing or pulling. (For less severe maneuvering, one strong and tireless man would do.)

The trip was adventurous, and certainly helped explain why renting a ready-made solution like a houseboat was preferable to the DIY model; if Ephemerisle teaches you anything about seasteading, it teaches you that trying to create fresh solutions to the problem of moving and living on the water is really time-consuming and difficult. The ship, dubbed The Relentless, hit a pylon under a bridge about 10 minutes in, gashing a two-foot slice in its hull, luckily well above the waterline, and dashing helmsman Jimmy Cross to the deck. At one point during the seven hour trip out to the festival, the engine was inoperable, we were stuck in the reeds, taking on water, and on fire. (It was a small and easily managed fire, luckily.)

We eventually arrived to find the row of other anchored houseboats after midnight on Saturday, and performed our showboat function with a trapeze performance by Miriam Telles off a post carpentered to the deck at the very last possible minute, and a musical performance by Jason Webley. The warm darkness, suffused with a full moon; the water's mysterious and constant shifting and lapping; haunting expressions of human skill and storytelling: It was glorious, it was fun, and it was not political.

The rest of the entertainment was wandering from houseboat to houseboat meeting and greeting; giving or listening to mini lectures on the "Memocracy" houseboat; taking trips out on the water in speedboats or homemade catamarans (on one of which I received a sailing lesson from a man I was later told was intrepid long-distance homemade sailor Tim Anderson), and conversing. Nearly every conversation I overheard or joined seemed connected to the worlds from which most Seasteaders seem to derive: computers, high-tech geekery, futurism, and of course libertarianism. I overheard speculations about how to more efficiently create interesting video games, robot fisherman, and the like. Matt Bell, who hosted the lecture series, identified the topic range as including "life extension, telepresence robotics, education, human rights, social networks, and seasteading."

That a cancelled event managed to attract as many people as the official one the year before—around 120—is encouraging about the passion and attraction people have to the idea of Seasteading; but that's still many long steps away from actual floating polities in the sea. Seasteading Director of Operations James Hogan says he thinks about two-thirds of the attendees this year were attending their first Seasteading-related event.

Like last year, frays in the social fabric arise when the libertarian minded are forced into a situation that requires some communal decisionmaking and behavior. This year's hubbub arose when a late-arriving houseboat was initially set up in front of another boat rather than joining the line, temporarily angering the folk whose view was suddenly marred. (The offending boat eventually joined the rest in line.) Unlike the first Ephemerisle, in which the whole community was essentially tied to shore, this year the line of houseboats succeeded in anchoring themselves in deeper water, though they eventually had to cut loose three anchors when they couldn't raise them successfully in time to return the houseboats before another day's rental would kick in.

After the event, I asked Seasteading's chief, Patri Friedman, to assess the state of Seasteading. He confessed that they had had a rough year so far; he's burning himself out fundraising, and the cancellation of the official Ephemerisle weighs on him. But he's excited that they are on the verge of hiring a director of engineering to work on the technical problems of maintaining a permanent structure on the ocean. They are now leaning more toward using existing ships as a base for what they are now calling "the Poseidon Project," the first actual functioning international water seastead, rather than building one from a new platform design. Peter Thiel, the Paypal co-founder who has been Seasteading's primary financier, has offered a matching grant of $250,000 this year, and they have already gathered 60 percent of that. What's one thing Friedman has learned about what are not rich sources of Seastead donations? "Libertarian conferences, and students, are not good for fundraising. They are fun groups to talk to, they like me and I like them, but…" Friedman hopes to move Seasteading into the position to get more funding from varied foundations, both libertarian and ones dedicated to social entrepreneurship in general.

The Seasteading Institute has added a new director for commercial development, Max Marty, a fresh MBA from Miami who discovered Seasteading at a Singularity conference and then later at a meal found himself expressing his excitement about it to a stranger who turned out to be James Hogan. Marty was impressed, at his first water festival, at the joyous camaraderie and excitement it generated. He also realized that having the inner circle of Seasteaders brainstorm about business ideas appropriate for a Seastead isn't good enough, so in a crowdsourcing fashion they've launched a contest with $5,000 in prizes to come up with viable business plans especially appropriate for one.

The floating ocean platform that is, alas, now most familiar to the world is the Deepwater Horizon; Marty thinks the BP disaster could end up as a boon to the larger idea of permanent seasteads, predicting that one dedicated to environmental science, sustainability, and research might be a good idea for extraction industries to fund themselves given their current P.R. troubles.

Despite the framing of the Seasteading project by the likes of Alternet as motivated entirely by a venal and cowardly desire to escape the real business of civilization (after destroying it with their capitalism, natch), Seasteading's Hogan reminds me that the project has the potential to do more than provide a refuge for libertarian malcontents.

The very existence of seasteading, goes the theory that animates Friedman and his colleagues, will add a new competitive element to governance on Earth and make, ideally, the whole world a better place. "I don't want to live on a Seastead," Hogan says. "Maybe when there are several million people living on one, with all the amenities of a modern city. My inspiration and excitement about the project is to make the governance market more competitive and affect all societies most profoundly. This is a deep way to try to leverage social good on global scale, to get down to the incentives that give rise to governmental systems and introduce more profound competition."

"We don't want to just change a political system," Hogan says. "We want to change the industry of governance itself that gives rise to political systems. Seasteading will lower barriers to entry [in governance] and reduce the cost of customer switching." If it works, the effect will be as salubrious in terms of customer satisfaction as the ability to enter and switch is in any other industry. In escaping normal civilization, libertarians could find out that their true place is bringing to politics the key benefit of free markets: wider and freer competition and the quality that comes with it.

Senior Editor Brian Doherty is author of This is Burning Man (BenBella), Radicals for Capitalism (PublicAffairs) and Gun Control on Trial (Cato Institute).

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  1. New at Reason: Brian Doherty on Whether Libertarians Belong At Sea

    There must be a punch line in this . . .

    I kind of gave up on Brian after his hit piece on Stephan Kinsella…

    1. hit piece on Stephan Kinsella

      Wait, what?

      1. Well, it got your attention, didn’t it???

      2. Oh boy, this is even better than the “reason hates Ron Paul” meme that comes up every time anyone posts something (favourable) about Paul.

  2. Some libertarians, though, are concerned with neither standard politics nor educational missions.

    That’s because being a libertarian does not automatically mean being a Maharishi.

  3. I’m visualizing a cross between Captain Stubing and the Comic Book Guy from “The Simpsons.” Doesn’t seem like the stuff that nations are built from.

    1. aero-planes: i’m visualizing a cross between a horse-drawn carriage and a flock of birds. Doesn’t seem like the stuff that transport is built from.

    2. John Adams looks like a cross between Stubing and Comic Book Guy.

  4. I wish them luck, but I think it’s going to be very, very hard to do….

    And what ever happened to the plan for a bunch of libertarians to move to New Hampshire?

    1. The Free State Project is still active in New Hampshire. So also are the Massachusetts liberals who f’d up their state and then moved across the border to continue the destruction.

      At least the Sea-steaders won’t be submerged by democracy.

  5. I thought this was secretly what the Reason Cruise was going to be.

    1. Nope. The Reason Cruise is secretly going to be the next Seasteading Conference.

    2. Wait, Reason is having a cruise? Why haven’t they mentioned it before?

  6. And what ever happened to the plan for a bunch of libertarians to move to New Hampshire?

    All of them did. Now that booth at Pizza Hut is full.

    1. Onion article related to cent’s comment.

  7. You’ll all be splicing your genes and flinging fire from your fingers. Bet on it.

    1. +1

    2. Yeah, you’ll want to be real careful. And don’t get me started on that Fontaine fucker.

  8. So, what competitive advantages would these communities offer? They’d have to be compelling, as many things would be rather expensive.

    1. On the other hand, I bet the sushi would be cheap. Wait. Rice might be an issue. Okay, the sashimi would be cheap.

    2. Not being arrested / having your stuff stolen by cops if you don’t hurt or steal from others. For anyone living in the US, that’s a big plus.

  9. They are now leaning more toward using existing ships as a base for what they are now calling “the Poseidon Project,” the first actual functioning international water seastead, rather than building one from a new platform design.

    Hopefully, this one won’t be turned over by a rogue wave . . .

  10. So…..Rapture lives?

    1. Nope, this is The Raft.

      1. Holy shit, I sure hope this turns out better than the original!

  11. “on the verge of hiring a director of engineering to work on the technical problems of maintaining a permanent structure on the ocean.”

    Uh, this work has already been done by the oil industry. Buy a frakking jack up barge or a tension leg platform and put it in international waters. Put a hotel/casino on it and allow drugs and prostitution and you’re all set. With the money from that you buy more platforms for people just to live on.

    1. Yes — the basic platform questions have already been sorted. That’s not the kind of engineering needed.

      We need to know how to keep such structures not just stable, but COMFORTABLE, so that people other than oil rig workers, drug dealers, and prostitutes will want to live there.

      And that sounds like an architecture issue, but when you delve into the infrastructure that needs to exist to support comfortable (and ideally free-form) architecture, it again becomes a “deep” platform issue.

      1. > We need to know how to keep such structures not just stable,
        > but COMFORTABLE, so that people other than oil rig workers,
        > drug dealers, and prostitutes will want to live there.


        What other professions are libertarians members of?

        1. What other professions are libertarians members of?


          1. The reason why they aren’t comfortable is because they’re oil rigs. They’re designed to drill for oil, not to house people. Space is used efficiently as possible, which means it’s almost all occupied by equipment and living quarters are a distant second. The same basic platform design with its main function being safely and comfortably housing people would be different.

      2. Wait a minute, who says prostitutes don’t appreciate comfort? We practically pioneered that!

        1. Where do you think the term “comfort women” came from, anyway?

      3. Have you ever been on a large oil rig? I have, when I was a commercial diver. The living quarters are quite comfortable, even for a place of work. They have to be. You have a bunch of guys living on those things for up to a month at a time and you don’t want them getting grumpy. Good food and a good bed go a long way to keeping them happy. They even do your laundry.

    2. That’s ridiculous. Why would anyone go to a floating oil platform to gamble, smoke dope, or hire a hooker when you can just go to Vegas and do the same thing?

      1. Firstly, it’s not an oil platform it’s a luxury hotel in a nice location. Secondly, even in Vegas you face the threat of arrest for the dope and the hooker.

  12. Do Libertarians Belong at Sea?

    Yes! Please!

  13. I think fish farming could generate a little industry.

    1. I saw something in Discovery (or one of the other interesting channels) about that. Very interesting! I think it was tuna they were growing in huge nets towed behind a boat. By the time they got to the port where they were to be sold, they were fully grown.

  14. (For less severe maneuvering, one strong and tireless man would do.)

    Sexist! And why didn’t they do it in Somalia? Lots of water, no insurance requirement and all sorts of people who know what you should be doing to protect your own property from people who want to take it.

    1. A bunch of white people going to Africa to set up a “classically liberal” colony?

      Really Bad idea.

  15. Brian Doherty on Whether Libertarians Belong At Sea

    I know Paul Krugman thinks they do.

    1. Screw him. He’s afraid of his own readers.


  16. Step one in working out how to convert that unregulated living “theory” into “practice”:

    Recognize the institute promoting unregulated living backed out because they couldn’t buy the insurance…insurance they wouldn’t go without. Guess those unregulated-living people will still sue you stupid.


    1. No, but liberals that idealize ‘a day on the water’ will go to ‘that libertarian thing’ and sue the hell out of you when they stub their toe on a hatch cover and spill their latte on themself.

  17. Why does the Seasteading thing sound like the dumbest fucking idea in history?

    1. Because you’re a fuckhead.

  18. the engine was inoperable, we were stuck in the reeds, taking on water, and on fire.

    Is he describing the general state of libertarianism?

    1. More like the state of the world *without* libertarianism.

      1. Well if you want to go in that direction then simply “the state of the world”

  19. My idea is to simulate ocean front real estate. People pay shit loads for water front property mostly for vacations and recreation. If you could simulate that sort of ownership and experience at a lower cost then water front property I think that would really get seasteading off the ground.

    1. Huh. A boat that’s cheaper to build and easier to operate than a chunk of rock and dirt, i.e. dry land.

      Better go file a patent on this idea before someone steals it!

      1. You need to look at the price of water front lots.

        1. Aye, and you need to check out the daily operating costs of a luxury ocean liner.

  20. The Free State project of taking over New Hampshire is a better idea I think.


    1. The free state project is commendable, I like it to but that doesn’t really seem to be going anywhere either. Both ideas are something to keep an eye on.

  21. as to the free state project:

    do a little research, and you’ll see they’re a bunch of jagaloons running what is effectively the most effective anti-libertarian campaign. When they’re not being annoying as hell to the normies up there, they make sure to say creepy, weird and ridiculous things about “freedom”, like child prostitution should be legal as long as you pay the child, or drunk driving should be legal.

    1. When governments say creepy, weird, and ridiculous things like anyone under the age of 18 (or 21, or 16, depending on — well, just *because we said so*) is a “child”, or anyone with a blood-alcohol concentration of over .08% is “drunk”, I suspect even many non-libertarian-oriented folks will concede they have a point in some cases!

      But the hardcore statists will of course continue to harp on the most extreme examples they can think of, and pretend that they invalidate libertarianism as a whole. Some people are probably beyond help.

      1. OK, wow – so anti-pederasty laws and drunk driving laws are oppressive? – thanks for proving my point

        and those most extreme examples are actually disturbingly common

        1. Well, one could easily make the case that child pornography almost always involves some form of criminal coersion. So we could acquiesce to the state maintaining criminal penalties for making child pornography. A question is when the production of pornography stops being a matter of coersion and becomes a matter of choice on the part of the individual being filmed. Is 18 the age? Seems pretty arbitrary. Which is Starchild’s point.

          We can oppose the idea of arresting people simply for driving drunk as the act of driving drunk is itself a victimless crime. It becomes a crime with a victim when someone is hurt. In such case, the fact that the offending driver was drunk should come into play when determining charges to be filed.

          The whole alcohol thing is really interesting. Ever driven slightly drunk (.08 is not that high a BAC)? How about driving after a major fight with your girlfriend? After an 18 hour day at work? All make you more susceptible to getting in an accident and killing someone. Yet only one is a crime. Why?

          1. that’s really stupid, and you’re an idiot. You’re demonstrating exactly what I’m talking about. So we should WAIT for a drunk driver to fucking kill a few people before we arrest him? What, were you kicked in the head by a horse when you were a kid or something? If something is a blatant and obvious huge risk to other members of the public, why do we have to wait for the event to actually happen before we stop said behavior?

            And yeah it’s “arbitrary” on the age thing, but it’s not that arbitrary. And the fact that it’s difficult to come up with a legal scheme for it doesn’t mean that the concept isn’t valid. How about 10 years old? How about 6? Well guess what, there’s a psycho up in NH that has a radio show and he’s outright said that as long as the child “consents”, that’s OK. He even describes that offering the child toys to get him to do what you want is OK.

            listen about 2/3 of the way in

            and that creepy little fucker has an entire following.

            There’s way too much of this type of shit in libertarianism. I’d be a libertarian, but apparently I;m too sane, normal, and smart to be.

            1. “that’s really stupid, and you’re an idiot.”
              Off to a good start I see.

              “So we should WAIT for a drunk driver to fucking kill a few people before we arrest him?”
              Yep. They have not done anything up until that point. The point regarding risk is moot, as the risk can be applied to anything. Is someone who uses crystal meth much more dangerous to those around him than someone who doesn’t? Yes, of course he is, but that is no reason to have meth be illegal. No one has committed a crime until they have hurt someone else.

              “And yeah it’s “arbitrary” on the age thing, but it’s not that arbitrary. And the fact that it’s difficult to come up with a legal scheme for it doesn’t mean that the concept isn’t valid.”
              Yes, it is arbitrary. That is why I do not like the current system. It is a one size fits all policy, and you know how well those things work. Saying that, I am not sure what the system to replace the current one should look like, as I have not given it much thought.

              1. so you don’t think someone saying that sex with extreme minors is OK is sick?

                And by the way, many states have a “window” scheme, where someone above a certain age can’t sleep with someone below a certain age, and THEN the complete-sexual-freedom cut off kicks in.

                They may be one size fits all, but that’s how law works. The objectivity and predictability of laws is of paramount importance in a liberal society. Do you want a nation of laws or a nation of men?
                When you find out a way to magically deliver perfect justice on a case-by-case basis, in situations where there is only so much information about people that can be obtained, call me.

                1. And BTW, it just isn’t that arbitrary. Once you get down to around 13, 14, you start losing on the whole “oh but they might be really mature!” thing. Frankly, I don’t even believe it works that way, with the whole “maturity” claim.

                  Surely at 12 and below the laws are appropriate. You can’t diddle 10-year-olds, get used to it.

                  1. Well, great. So you support pornography featuring actors that are at least 12 year old. I thought you were more stupid, but there is hope for you.

          2. “How about driving after a major fight with your girlfriend? After an 18 hour day at work? All make you more susceptible to getting in an accident and killing someone. Yet only one is a crime. Why?”

            Wow, really? Do I really need to explain this to you? OK, which of all these things is objectively and quickly proveable? BAC. It would be nigh impossible to illegalize those other things. There are laws regarding driving time/sleep, but it mostly applies to truckers.

            Also, those other things often don’t affect your driving as drastically.

            Though to get to the heart of the issue, you’re saying that that’s an inconsistency, that one dangerous thing can be illegal but another isn’t. Well, you know what? Who cares? THE LAW DOESN’T AIM TO BE PERFECT. When something is a public issue, we don’t expect the law to administer perfect justice in all situations all the time. WE DO WHAT WE CAN. It’s a basic fault of reality itself. Communication is only so thorough, and information is only so available.

            That doesn’t mean we don’t make laws period, or we try to explain away a problem. Understanding this is a part of growing up, kid.

            1. BAC sensors are easily tricked into higher BAC.

              BTW, if you are genetically predisposed for violence, should we arrest you for murder?

              Most terrorists are currently Muslim. Should we arrest Muslims because they might be terrorists?

              1. *the most violent terrorist acts are currently done in large part by Muslims, I mean…

              2. if you really think that those things logically follow, you’re seriously ticked in the head

                Libertarian logic is frequently anything but. It’s more rigid and one-track than it is actually real logic.

                1. Don’t feed the trolls.

          3. You tell ’em, DK! And what’s up with “attempted murder”, really? The bullet missed; quit whining about it!

  22. What I don’t get is why they think it has to be a stationary platform. Why don’t they just buy a bunch of boats and sail/navigate together? They could have a “host” country/nation.

    It would be cheap and immediately do-able.

    1. Boats would have to be built somewhere, and hence would presumably be flying under some existing country’s flag — that’s one drawback.

      A bigger problem is that boats are not really designed to permanently sit out at sea, or to be connected to each other to form a community. The idea with seasteading is to create the possibility of long-term, sustainable living on the ocean.

      That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if initial seasteading efforts do rely fairly heavily on mobile boats.

      1. Nonsense. A far better solution is to buy (or make) a helium balloon roughly the size of the Sears Tower, and then built a platform underneath that. Just as much room, and you totally solve the problem of rogue waves and seasickness.

        1. Until the bad guys come along and pop it.

          1. Nice flash site starchild…..did you make it?

            1. Hi Joshua — no, I didn’t make it. But I link to it in web comments all the time, because it’s one of the best pieces of libertarian outreach material I’ve found online, and because ISIL is a good group. I understand they now have the animation in 36 different languages.

  23. Libertarians at sea? Rapture here I come! Plasmids are so awesome!

  24. one of these days Libertarians will try to establish a Libertopia in outer space too. After the statists run them off the oceans and out of the mountains. my family thinks libertarians like me belong in the nuthouse for the most part.

    1. Floating Spheres on Venus man. I’m not kidding. Been dreaming about it forever.

  25. Nobody’s free when the waves are 30 feet.

  26. Though it’s sorta preachin to the choir around here, but I got a chuckle:


  27. Does this make anyone else think of Waterworld?

  28. Don’t feed the trolls please.

  29. I checked out the pictures from the “Floating Festival” and it looked like a cross between Burning Man and a Frat Party.

    As a libertarian leaning man who also happens to be a father, such a society is extremely unappealing and a terrible sell. Step 1 in building a stable society is establishing, er, a society. If all the founders can do is think about prostitution, drugs and awesome industrial art, they haven’t created a floating city. They’ve created the floating equivalent of a truck stop. Kind of cool, but nowhere I’d want to raise my children.

    1. I agree that this would be unappealing; however, the festival is just that – a festival. I don’t think it represents what a seastead would be like on a daily basis. I would check out seasteading.org instead.

  30. The Free State Project still alive and strong. Over 800 individuals have moved and over 10,000 individuals have signed the statement of intent. The fact that New Hampshire has a coast line could be a plus. Imagine the sea steading porcupine community.

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