Nancy Pelosi: Jobs Junkie

The Speaker of the House just can't stop talking about jobs


Nancy Pelosi has a one-track mind.

Even as her moment of triumph neared this weekend, one could sense that she was a woman who remained unsatisfied. Sure, Rep. Pelosi (D-Calif.)—The Most Powerful Woman in the World™—had just rammed a historic health care reform bill through a fractious House. But Pelosi watchers know that health care reform was really just another way to get her fix. The true object of her desire can be captured in four little words: "jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs."

Those words are Pelosi's mantra. Pelosi spies reliably inform me that she repeats them under her breath as she settles into the cobra pose during her morning sun salutations, "jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs." As Pelosi herself put it in January, "The jobs issue has permeated every major initiative that we have." The preoccupations of the powerful should never go unexamined, so let's take a look at some of the extravagant claims Pelosi has made about her awesome job-creating power.

By Pelosi's accounting, the health care bill is jam packed with new jobs. In her standard sales pitch, Pelosi emphasized that the bill was "about jobs. In its life it will create 4 million jobs, 400,000 jobs almost immediately." Apparently those first 400,000 were supposed to spring full-formed from her gavel once the vote tally was complete—or perhaps from the president's pen, which Pelosi got to keep after the bill was signed yesterday. While those jobs were invisible to the naked eye on CSPAN, they'll be showing up in the March unemployment figures no doubt.

On the floor of the House in June, as the climate change bill was being debated, Pelosi promised that the bill would create "millions of new jobs" and urged her colleagues to vote aye: "And when you do, just remember these four words for what this legislation means: jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs." She even provided a fancy infographic on her blog, The Gavel. And when it comes to the nation's energy future, those new jobs aren't just any jobs: They're green. While on the campaign trail Obama claimed he could create 5 million "green collar" jobs, a figure he later scaled back to a vague claim of "millions." Pelosi continues to go whole hog, claiming we are on track to create 4 million jobs.

"It's all about the jobs," she declared in December, before a Copenhagen audience that didn't give two hoots about America's unemployment woes. (Pelosi isn't alone in her obsession. Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, a co-sponsor of the Waxman-Markey climate change bill, also said "Our bill is essentially a jobs bill.") Even when the audience is completely inappropriate, as it was at the failed Copenhagen international climate summit, Pelosi can't shut up about her idée fixe.

But wait, there's more! The stimulus bill created 2 million jobs by the accounting of Pelosi's team. Well, make that "created or saved" which is where things start to get slippery. Pelosi's post-passage estimate was closer to 3.5 million, but since much of the stimulus money isn't yet spent, there's time yet to reach that goal.

And let's not forget the job creation bill, now elbowing its way to the top of the post-health care congressional agenda. Like any junkie, Pelosi gets impatient when others get in the way of her next job-creation fix. The Senate announced plans for a modest job creation package of infrastructure spending and tax cuts in February. Pelosi grudgingly agreed to cede to the Senate—probably because she was a distracted by the process of creating those 4 million health care jobs. On "This Week" in late February she said: "We wanted to move as quickly as possible on jobs. We passed our bill in December, as you probably know. What the Senate is taking is a segmented approach to it. [But] it would have been faster if they would just agree to our bill last year because people are hurting, they need jobs and we need to move quickly. But then she returned to her messaging obsession. "It's a four letter word that we use around here all the time, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs."

Even a bill that does nothing more than create jobs isn't enough to sate the ravenous Pelosi. In a slip of the tongue in February, Pelosi said that without a stimulus package 500 million Americans would lose their jobs that very month. She was repeating an error she made in January on Fox News Sunday in January.

But no matter how deep and broad her commitment to creating jobs may be, Pelosi doesn't have the ability to make money appear from nowhere. Money that government spends has to come from somewhere, be it taxpayer dollars, debt, or increases in the money supply. That means the hundreds of billions of dollars Pelosi is using to create those jobs are dollars that would have been spent or invested somewhere else.

In the long run, certain political climates are conducive to job creation. In that sense, the most plausible claim to job creation is the health care bill. The rest of the jobs are three-card monte: Jobs snatched from one sector and dropped into another for the purposes of politics. Green jobs are the easiest place to see this happen. For every solar panel installation gig, a job or two on an oil rig is deep-sixed. And in the case of those health care jobs, Pelosi's claim relies on firms, old and new, finding it cheaper and easier to do business in the post-reform world, a point on which the jury is still very much out.

If you add up all those numbers, Pelosi is laying claim to at least 10 million jobs. Which brings her up and over the 8.4 million lost since the recession began. But now the time has come for Pelosi to turn her attention to the one job that she must care about most: her own.

Katherine Mangu-Ward is a senior editor of Reason magazine.

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  1. Obama and Pelosi are on a sinking boat. Who gets saved?


  2. Well, she does keep plastic surgeons working 24/7.

    1. Beaten. 🙁

      1. I was polishing up another Botox joke. You lousy Dog! (shakes fist)

  3. Broken windows.

    1. [sniff] makes me miss Joe, sorta.

      1. not

  4. There should be a pretty heavy demand for proctologists about now. We didn’t get any lube with HCR.

  5. She even provided a fancy infographic on her blog, The Gavel.

    That infographic, furnished by the Environmental Defense Fund, is literally about replacing windows.

    These people parody themselves.

    1. The CARBON CAP TIMELINE is precious. By 2030, emissions will be reduced by 42%. I think they are too modest. By 2030 the United States will be in receivership. There won’t be any industry. We’ll all be starving, but the air sure will be clean.


    1. She weighs the same as a duck!

  7. If we are talking public sector jobs, well then she has created a lot of jobs. Useless, blood-sucking, unionized government jobs-but jobs none the less.

    1. Oh. Are you hiring, then?

      Is your complaint about having to compete in the tough seller’s market for labor?


      Then you’re a dilettante with no credibility. You have a choice: either a) hire people or b) STFU while the government hires people.

      Anything else is running your mouth, adding to the surplus of delusional nonsense from useless glibertarian armchair economist douchebags. We have plenty of that already, thanks.

      1. The vast majority of public sector jobs are not only a waste of money but an actual drain on real wealth creation.

        This is especially true for marginal jobs created by stimulus money that is being spent on public production explicitly without regard for demand.

        Whether or not Kevin is hiring, he is absolutely right to point this fact out. Money taken from the private economy to generate public jobs is nothing less than jobs lost from the private economy.

        1. “Money taken from the private economy to generate public jobs is nothing less than jobs lost from the private economy.”

          Right, because private weather satellites, and private food inspections, and private regulation of power monopolies, and private water supplies and private safety inspections and private environmental protections and private roads and private post offices delivering hundreds of billions of pieces of mail everywhere for a half a buck and private police and private fire departments and a private internet protocol all suffer so horribly at the jackboot of government.

          Try that ridiculous shit with someone who doesn’t know any better.

          1. I notice that you ignored the qualification that it is stimulus-driven jobs that I was talking about in that quote, but I’ll let that slide.

            Every example you cite, except perhaps roads within communities, is better provided privately than publicly. And most of them are either mandated to be public by law or so heavily subsidized that private competition with them is impossible.

            Except, of course, internet protocol, which is not a public job, nor are the facilities that use it publicly supplied.


              Yeah, when your house is burning down, it’s true: you’d definitely be better off shopping for the best deal on a hook & ladder truck.

              We’d ALL be better off – because, after all, like you said, firemen just take away money from private fire departments.


              1. I, my mortgage company, or my insurance company would have already contracted with a private fire company before the fire started. And said private fire company would have mutual aid contracts with other fire companies as needed.

                1. So, MikeP, how do you plan to address the monopoly that would almost certainly arise in your area? Or if the government prevented this (oh dear!), how do you plan to pay for the expense of the redundancy? And what about freeloaders who would chose to go without insurance? Oh dear oh my! Your fantasy is vaporizing before my very eyes!

                  1. Considering the wildly low capitalization required to start a fire station, I would be hard pressed to believe that a problematic monopoly could arise. Of course it would be ridiculous to wish the government would do anything about it since there is no way a firefighting monopoly with its low entry costs and extremely distributed delivery could collect monopoly rents.

                    As for those who go without fire protection, if neither their mortgage companies nor their insurance companies demanded they had fire protection, who am I to force it on them? I’m sure if a firefighting company asks them to sign up while their house is on fire, they will consider the costs and benefits and make the best choice.

                  2. Well for $280,000 I can probably buy my own fire truck.


              2. Dumbshits who believe that privatization of these services would lead us back to the “Gangs of New York” type days in which different fire protection providers would fight eachother while watching the buildings burn are idiots. There are huge fundamental differences between the private sector of the old days, where investment and management were completely different, and the world of today. Back then, you couldn’t even start a corporation without government approval, so it is no wonder that the mafias were so powerful, as the black market was the only source of investment opportunities for non politically connected citizens. Pull your head out of your ass Orel fucker.

                1. You two are genuinely hilarious! One of you is jabbering for some reason about one of Scorcese’s worst films, and the other one is – get this – ready to put the fire safety of his community into the hands of the INSURANCE INDUSTRY. (!!!) That’s the same industry that comes out after your covered home suffers a fire to FUCK you into paying the smallest check possible. Yeah, good luck with that, genius.

                  I swear, you guys are some of the most brilliant unintentional comedy I’ve ever read here, and that’s saying a lot. You’re either 12 years old or you’re pulling my leg. Either way, keep it up please!

                  1. Do you think private companies would care less than public services? By what measure do you believe a competitive market wouldn’t reduce cost and improve service? In your world, does a company, providing a service, that stands to lose business based on poor results, have more or less incentive to take care of the customer to insure it’s own stability? Do government monopolies have any reason to push advances in service?

                    Is it warm and snuggly in your government issue security blanket?

                    1. Serf:

                      I absolutely guarantee you do not run a business. Guarantee it. No way could someone who cites “poor results” as a primary reason for lost business has ever been left in charge of a bake sale, let alone anything bigger.

                      The incentive to not have the whole damn city burn down because some douchebag contractor cheaped out in any one of a hundred ways that kept the trucks from rolling — you know what? It just occurred to me: I think I am going to observe the laws of the free marketplace right now and stop typing this education for you, because you haven’t paid for it. Good luck with your funny, funny fantasies. In the meantime, don’t forget to pay up for the national healthcare!

                    2. How dare you insult my little boy. He knows more about fire equipment than you do. He runs a dog walking business and knows every fire hydrant on our street.

                    3. Good answers to the questions. Thanks for not providing any answers. I especially like the cop out of you being too smart to waste time on the subject. BTW, the same “douchebag contractor” cheaped out on many of the areas of service he provides for any number of cities he gets work from you fuck. It’s the same people doing the work, different platform. But you seem way too dense to get that.

                  2. “the other one is – get this – ready to put the fire safety of his community into the hands of the INSURANCE INDUSTRY.”

                    You mean the same insurance industry that the Obamacratic party just gave a huge new customers base? That one? The one that had an 85% satisfaction rate? Or is it a different insurance industry? Contrast that with the satisfaction rate of the government, which is well below fifty percent.

                    Seriously. Private ambulance services do quite well and give pretty good service in my experience. Why would a private fire department be different?

                    And by the way, since we’re talking about homeowner’s insurance fucking people, let’s talk about the incredible effectiveness of the government response to the needs of homeowners in New Orleans. Oh yeah, the difference is clear!

                    1. Yeah, that’s the industry. The one whose detestable, murderous policies invited, finally, over the moronic protests of libertarians and illiterate teabaggers the kind of regulation that they spent over $150 million just in one year to prevent – but couldn’t. The same industry who now can’t distort the risk pool, drop you, force you into medical bankruptcy, or spend more than 15% of income on non-medical expenses, and who was given the first shove toward the volcano they deserved to be thrown in for the last 50 years. That industry.

                      And seriously, anybody who looks at government as legitimately comparable to a commercial enterprise is part of the problem. That may be the way things work on Planet Libertaria, but here, we have a thing called a “society” where a legitimate government and a consenting governed are to be served by corporations – not the other way around.

                    2. Yes, on planet libertopia, we expect the government to have at least half of the satisfaction rate of private companies. What is the government’s role if not to satisfy taxpayers? At least the insurance company doesn’t wave guns in your face, take your money by force, then blow it right in front of you while pissing on your face. The insurance company has to please the vast majority of its customers or risk going out of business tomorrow, whereas the government fucks up continuously in front of our very eyes while robbing us blind. Somehow government just keeps ticking along.

                      I won’t even get into the fact that most corporate fuck ups usually have a government cause behind them. If anything, by regulating corporations, the government creates a false sense of security making an opening for more corporate shittiness. In the absence of the false sense of security provided by government, people might pay a little more attention to where they put their money.

                      Contrarian P actually provided real examples that disprove the meat of your argument, and you simply responded with more assholiness.

                    3. Uh, no he didn’t. He reduced and twisted and avoided until he had the fantasy world he wanted to talk about, not the one we live in.

                      The insurance company doesn’t piss in your face? Guess you haven’t filed a claim in a while, chief. Then again, you can’t buy coverage if you’re 12.

                      And you’re beyond help if you think police, who are at least tied politically to democracy, are comparable to fraudulent, oligopolist abusive private institutions. Closed institutions that never, ever answer to anybody but themselves – ever – until a government can overcome the accreted fever dreams of libertarian dipshits whose intellectual leadership denies the existence of their own society to reach out and make illegal the coercive and oligopolistic business practices that absolutely should be illegal.

                      You crypto-corporatist cocksuckers have for thirty years green-lighted the wholesale obliteration of the middle class – and since the undernuanced reasoning skills of many of you don’t exactly scream “highly accomplished and educated”, that means you’re in the bell curve right along with most – therefore, shitting in your own soup as well as my own.

                      And why?

                      Exactly because you are the kind of isolated, untraveled, myopic asswipes who confuse imperfect representative democracy with totalitarianism – pissing in the faces of millions of actual, real victims of same from Chile to China and back around. You ridiculous goofs should be ashamed of yourselves.

                    4. Orel is a parasitic, walking, talking broken window fallacy. I mean, how dumb do you have to be to not realize that gov’t can’t do anything without stealing the money from the private sector first, counterfeiting it, or any other gov’t scheme to destroy wealth? It really takes breathtaking ignorance. Even Europeans aren’t that stupid, and that’s saying something.

                      What’s even more breathtakingly ignorant is that you don’t realize it is your system that allows the very corruptions you see in corporate culture. Your monopolies are created by regulation, and are impossible to sustain without government interference. And your brilliant answer? A bigger monopoly!!! Ding, ding, ding, we have an idiot.

                      Yes, we are part of society, too, idiot. If we don’t agree, then that means you do not have the consent of the governed, which is a lie and a gross distortion of history used to justify the tyrannical rule of conservative progressives and liberal progressives. I bet this toolbag used the same argument when Bush was leading his Iraq War. Was that the will of the people? You can’t even remain consistent for one election cycle, because your principles are groundless and you have to violate Ockham’s razor over and over to justify the tyranny Republicans and Democrats unleash upon society. You’re so dumb that you believe it’s only Republicans. The Constitution was forced upon us by an elite few. I’m sure the slaves felt grateful for the will of the people. I’m sure blacks felt grateful when Democrats segregated them and beat them to death. I’m sure I feel grateful every time the German government takes 50% of my wages and drives the prices up through inflation. Yes, that will of the people and society argument is a great one. Society has no right to violate the rights of others. To argue otherwise is pure lunacy and self-delusion. You fascists have what’s coming to you. Enjoy your victories now, for they always end in defeat and poverty. The sad thing is that you are so unintelligent, you will still blame everything on the other side when it all comes tumbling down. It’s juvenile and disgusting, but, then again, you are a progressive idiot. You only progress towards infinitely dumber ideas.

                    5. There is no private sector until there is a government, you fucking idiot. There is no efficient currency until there is a government, you fucking idiot. Europeans don’t have medical bankruptcy or huge tuition bills, you fucking idiot. Monopolies and trusts developed from mergers and acquisitions far more than by government decree, you fucking idiot. The society gives consent AROUND morons like you, you fucking idiot. Attacking Iraq had a majority of support from the people to the point of re-electing the same chimpanzee who started it, you fucking idiot. Regulating industry is not tyranny, kidnapping and murdering dissidents is, you fucking idiot. The Constitution was forced on only you, the rest of us aren’t fucking idiots. The slaves, once unshackled, were in fact grateful for the will of the people, you fucking idiot. Southern Democrats weren’t progressives, you fucking idiot. Society IS people, you fucking idiot. Fascists are corporatists, like you, you fucking idiot. Progressive victories don’t end in defeat and poverty – not when the slaves were freed, not when trusts were busted, not when women were given the vote, not when fascism was defeated, not when civil rights were granted, not when elderly poverty was stopped, not when the health insurance industry was shown who’s boss, you fucking idiot. With one exception, prohibition, conservatives have been 100% wrong and progressives have been 100% right about absolutely everything. Figure it out, you fucking idiot.

                  3. You don’t really have an argument still. 90% of the time or more, people screw the insurance industry and not the other way around. Any time there is a problem, it can’t possibly be the fault of anyone but those evil insurance companies.

                    1. @ Soonerliberty /bow My hat’s off to you Sir. Well said.

                    2. THis comment was aimed at ORel. Way to go soonerliberty! Sorry I ended up under you.

                    3. I mean my previous comment. Damn good weed.

                    4. “Damn good weed.”

                      This should be translated into Latin and used as Reason’s motto.

          2. You’re quoting the post office as the model of government efficiency? Even the President realizes that they’re fucked up.


            1. Send shit anywhere in the country for 1/30th the cost of a Fedex envelope any other way than USPS, then get back to me.

              1. Orel Hazard, you are the most delusional, self centered, angry and illogical person I have ever read here on reason. You have no clue what Libertarianism is. But I guess that makes sense seeing how wrapped up in your own beliefs you are. I always wondered why you progressives waist time debating Libertarians here on reason.

                1. I have every clue what it is. It is corporatism, only with a bong.

                  I grant that many economic libertarians don’t actually realize how much cover they provide to corporate abusers of society, but I’m hopeful on that score: they can’t stay in their twenties forever.

            2. Actually the community I grew up in did have private fire service. It worked great! Of course whenever they billed someone who hadn’t signed up they were criticized for it! They were also criticized for dispatching trucks to their subscribers in front of the ‘truly needy’. It’s a wonder they are still in business!


  8. I certainly feel like we’ve been jobbed. So, good job, Speaker Pelosi!

  9. Pelosi is a juggernaut of economic activity. Entire segments of the moisturizer, teeth veneer, hair spray, crotch deodorizer, adult diaper, stool softener, hormone pill and gin industries are devoted solely to keeping her alive. And the spin-off technologies in vomit bags, anti-depressants and shot TVs/punched-in computer monitors have employed millions.

    1. Why people buy stool softeners — when they can just drink a tall glass of sauerkraut juice — is beyond me.

      1. Yeah, I mean every one has salty rotted cabbage water around the house, right?

        1. They sell it canned in nearly every grocery store:


          1. Not to worry. She’ll transfer into a new body soon. That little blonde intern in her office is looking ripe for the picking.

          2. I really just wanted to call it salty rotted cabbage water, dude.

            1. It really is tasty, but never drink a whole can. Mixes well with tomato juice. Have you ever tried it? Not sure if you can drink it, though.

        2. I’m sure you do, but the rest of us? Not so much.

          I find anywhere between 2 and 6 good dark beers and a big cup of coffee the next morning will do the trick, too.

          1. “My people live long and are celebrated poopers.”

          2. How the hell can you afford good dark beers in this economy!? Especially when a 12er of Miller Lite does the job so much more efficiently! I’m with ya on the coffee the next morning though. Which is nigh essential if you drink a 12er of Miller Lite.

            1. his wife won’t let him have hookers and blow

  10. There isn’t anyone in the Obama administration who is capable of actually empirically proving that anything they have done has created so much as one single job on an overall net basis.

    1. Or averted financial collapse. That’s what bothers me about Obama — he believes he prevented the Great Depression 2.0 and so do his minions.

  11. every time Pelosi bangs her gavel,

    I like the way you worked the disgusting slashfic right into the post, Katherine.

    1. Little known fact, Nahmy: There’s a retractable dildo head at the end of that gavel.

      1. That is both disturbing and hilarious.

  12. This gets relevant at about 40 seconds in.

  13. Yeah, I mean every one has salty rotted cabbage water around the house, right?

    Well, Warty bathes in the stuff…

    1. He has to. Or the ladies will tear him apart in an erotomanic frenzy. Every damn day is Febris in Warty’s house, yo.

    2. On an unrelated topic, pickle juice is an excellent hangover cure.

  14. She’s no Bill Clinton.
    Bill Clinton created or saved over a million (blow) jobs.

  15. “But now the time has come for Pelosi to turn her attention to the one job that she must care about most: her own.”

    I guarantee you that she will not lose her job. Sadly, people in this district love her.

    1. Her job as Speaker is not really within her district’s control.

  16. Geez, they remind me of teenage boys who confuse D&D with reality.

    “Ha! I wield my +5 Gavel of Job Creation! (rolls a 20) Woo-hoo! A crit! That’s double job creation!”

    1. I laughed so hard that I almost cried! Obama’s magic unicorn gives him plus 5 to initiative, I bet.

    2. Too bad that +5 Gavel of Job Creation comes with a -20 to Constitution.

  17. Creating jobs is less important than creating wealth (though not unimportant, practically speaking).

    But what politician ever talks about creating wealth? Granted, it’s a lot easier to make everyone work than to make anyone better off, so it’s understandable.

    1. That’s because they can’t talk about wealth…because they themselves are usually quite wealthy. When they talk about soaking the rich, they mean those who generate a high income. In other words, somebody who isn’t them. Why would anyone soak themselves?

  18. I love doug stanhope’s view on this. “Why do politicians talk about jobs like they’re a great thing? ‘If you elect me, you’ll have to get up way too fucking early to go to a job that you can’t stand to do things you hate for people you don’t give a shit about.’ Where’s the politician that wants to create robots to do all of this shit for us?”

    God bless doug stanhope.

    1. That’s what I think when people lament the loss of factory jobs. Clearly, they have never worked in a factory humping steel.

      1. Yeah, I work in a tube mill. Our floor jobs ain’t what I would call fun or interesting. Or well-paid, either.

        1. The best is that Penn and Teller Bullshit episode about recycling, where they take on the part of the pro-recycling argument about how many jobs it created. They show a line of people next to a conveyor belt picking out plastic bottles from other peoples trash. Yeah, don’t let dem durn immigrunts taik our jerbs!! We love picking though trash all day!!

          My contempt for Pelosi and the bunch has reached so far out of the universe it is starting to bend time.

          1. “My contempt for Pelosi and the bunch has reached so far out of the universe it is starting to bend time.”

            One of the best lines I have seen in a long, long time Tman!

          2. I second Mr. Corn’s acclamation. Nicely done.

  19. Great SITE for documentaries check it out, knowledge is power

    1. I love the documentary on how your mother came to be fucking Donkeys for a living. Good stuff.

    2. Those documentaries are mostly conspiratorial bullshit, and the site is merely fed with links to low-quality, low-bandwidth versions of the original documentaries. Nice job, cunt bowler.

  20. I am sure you remember the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz. I am sure Evil Pelosi is her reincarnated. This one woman is not to be admired but is an embarrassment to most women. Maybe one of her cronies will accidentally spill some water on her & she will melt.LOL

    1. Didn’t BellSouth go out of business?

      1. So did SBC when the AT&T merger went through, but the domain lives on.

  21. Obamacare, however imperfect, beats conservative neglect every time.

  22. Talking about jobs jobs jobs sure is helping her approval numbers. If she keeps this up pretty soon her district will hate her as well.

    1. Pelosi, like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, is in trouble back home as well. Her job approval rating in her district is an uber-low 39 percent and she is under fire not only from Republicans but also from Democrats.

      1. I question those numbers. I tried to find polls of her district a while back, and there weren’t any. There were only state-wide polls, and the number you cite is pretty close to her California approval rating, which doesn’t really matter as long as her district keeps electing the bitch. I sure hope that article’s right, though!

  23. Nancy Pelosi is creating ONE job for sure and that is ………hers. When she comes up for re-election she will become unemployed just like the rest of us.

  24. Pelosi is a nut case, she can’t even put a sentence together that makes sense. She is a product of east coast politics. As her father and brother were politicians of the worst kind. She found her perfect bastion in San Francisco. Her welcome may be short lived there as well.

  25. You babbling goofs couldn’t create a job if you were given a free, open and universal communications software technology from the government to do it. If you were given such a gift, all you’d do with it is type douchey bullshit to each other in a moronic circle-jerk.

    The gift: TCP/IP.

    The proof: this thread.

    1. Wow, deep stuff.
      When you whack off after this, will you be looking in the mirror, admiring yourself?
      Will you use your off hand to make it seem like there is another you to fuck?
      When you’re done will you cuddle with yourself or just roll over and think about how great you are?

    2. Well I used to employ 5 people, but I didn’t get some gift from the government to do it, so I guess I don’t fit your scenario. Besides, we actually generated products that people gave us money for voluntarily, as opposed to having it taken from them by law. How many jobs have you created exactly, that makes you an authority, let alone qualified to make assumptions about people whom you’ve never met?

    3. You have yet to really make any point whatsoever. You just ramble like a glenn beck type.

  26. I don’t like Pelosi and her pedantic, sniveling, sycophantic, boot licking, stream of anal leakage, blood sucking bottom feeding scum sucking pig,
    festering pustule on buttocks programs.

    Other than that she’s doing a good job.

  27. I have a job interview with one of Pelosi’s farts tomorrow. What color tie should I wear?

  28. She’s all about creating jobs. Nose job, eye job, lip job, boob job…

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  32. I’m gonna stop readin’ this site, y’all spend too much time feedin’ the trolls. Dull.

  33. Isn’t Angela Merkel the most powerful woman in the world?

  34. Many years after receiving my graduate degree, I returned to the State University of New York at Binghamton as a faculty member. One day in a crowded elevator, someone remarked on its inefficiencythomas sabo. I said the elevators had not changed in the 20 years since I began there as a student.
    When the door finally opened, I felt a compassionate pat on my back, and turned to see an elderly nun smiling at me. “You’ll get that degree, dear,” she whispered. “Perseverance is a virtue.”????

  35. truth,,,,obama people have no idea of the extent to which they have to be gulled in order to be led.”
    “The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one.”
    “All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it.”
    “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.”pelosi don’t see much future for the Americans … it’s a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities …obama feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance … everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it’s half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold TOGTHER.They include the angry left wing bloggers who spread vicious lies and half-truths about their political adversaries… Those lies are then repeated by the duplicitous left wing media outlets who “discuss” the nonsense on air as if it has merit? The media’s justification is apparently “because it’s out there”, truth be damned. STOP THIS COMMUNIST OBAMA ,GOD HELP US ALL .THE COMMANDER ((GOD OPEN YOUR EYES)) stop the communist obama & pelosi.((open you eyes)) ,the commander

  36. My only point is that if you take the Bible straight, as I’m sure many of Reasons readers do, you will see a lot of the Old Testament stuff as absolutely insane. Even some cursory knowledge of Hebrew and doing some mathematics and logic will tell you that you really won’t get the full deal by just doing regular skill english reading for those books. In other words, there’s more to the books of the Bible than most will ever grasp. I’m not concerned that Mr. Crumb will go to hell or anything crazy like that! It’s just that he, like many types of religionists, seems to take it literally, take it straight…the Bible’s books were not written by straight laced divinity students in 3 piece suits who white wash religious beliefs as if God made them with clothes on…the Bible’s books were written by people with very different mindsets…in order to really get the Books of the Bible, you have to cultivate such a mindset, it’s literally a labyrinth, that’s no joke.

  37. Even if you go on his website, it’s still just a a ten minute discussion. The interview with Jim Cramer simply amounted to Jim sputtering something every couple of minutes while John wagged his finger at him the whole time. I’ve never seen him have an intelligent discussion with anybody, and he only talks to people that he knows he can bully into a corner. Usually idiots, yes, but it’s still dispicable. I don’t watch him that often, but it is people like him that make me wretch. The fact that people go around saying “He slammed so and so” in that “debate” pisses me off. John’s not directly responsible for that, but he certainly plays his audience to get that effect.

  38. Well said. Tucker is despicable, Crossfire became despicable (despite the presence of supposed “heavyweights” like Novack and Carville), and Jon Stewart is a comedian who has never proclaimed himself to be anything else. Just because certain people here don’t understand how satire works doesn’t change that fact. The fact that The Daily Show has gained some cultural traction doesn’t change that.

  39. Even if you go on his website, it’s still just a a ten minute discussion. The interview with Jim Cramer simply amounted to Jim sputtering something every couple of minutes while John wagged his finger at him the whole time. I’ve never seen him have an intelligent discussion with anybody, and he only talks to people that he knows he can bully into a corner. Usually idiots, yes, but it’s still dispicable. I don’t watch him that often, but it is people like him that make me wretch. The fact that people go around saying “He slammed so and so” in that “debate” pisses me off. John’s not directly responsible for that, but he certainly plays his audience to get that effect.

  40. Good answers to the questions. Thanks for not providing any answers. I especially like the cop out of you being too smart to waste time on the subject.

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