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In a timely reminder that politics is glamour for ugly people, sports for neurasthenics, and Pin the Tail on the Donkey for jackasses, A. Barton Hinkle of the Richmond Times-Dispatch reminds us that the biggest parliamentary hypocrites in these interminable End Days of health care "reform" are the people most loudly crying "hypocrite":

A stirring in The Nation

Before cramming the measure down the throats of the American public, […] perhaps congressional leaders should consider these important words from a Monday New York Times editorial:

"A largely missing ingredient in the debate … showed up on the streets of major cities over the weekend as crowds of peaceable protesters marched in a demand to be heard. They represented what appears to be a large segment of the American public that remains unconvinced" by the administration's plan, began the piece entitled "A Stirring in the Nation."

It continued: "The protesters are raising some nuanced questions … about the premises, cost, and aftermath" of the direction in which Congress seemed to be headed. It concluded by noting that "millions of Americans who did not march share the [same] concerns…. These protests are the tip of a far broader sense of concern and lack of confidence in the path … that seems to lie ahead."

A sympathetic portrait of the Tea Party activists who demonstrated in Washington on 9/12? A description of all the town-hall dissents against Obamacare? Not quite. That editorial appeared Monday, Jan. 20, 2003, and was written about protests against the war in Iraq that was then only looming.

As for Republicans,

But OBAMA used the RECONCILIATION process!!!!

Having used the reconciliation process to achieve their own legislative goals 16 of the past 22 times, they're now denouncing the fundamental unfairness of the procedure with purple-faced rage, and explaining that even though they, too, employed a version of the Slaughter Solution—known then as the Gephardt Rule—to raise the debt ceiling between 1995 and 2001, that was, somehow, different.

As Roll Call reports, fiscal conservatives raised such a stink about the Gephardt Rule that the GOP dropped the practice nine years ago. But it had proved such a handy maneuver that they resurrected it in 2003—to the great amusement of Democrats who renamed it the Hastert Rule, after the House speaker at the time, Dennis Hastert. Now conservatives are tying themselves into knots trying to explain why the Slaughter Solution for health care would be obscenely unconstitutional, whereas the Hastert Rule was parliamentary S.O.P. […]

Conservatives who just a couple of years ago thought the imperial presidency and the unitary executive were dandy ideas are now dusting off their copies of The Federalist Papers to bone up on the virtues of limited government. And liberals who once fretted with The Times' Adam Cohen that "even a thriving democracy like America borders on tyranny" now sigh wistfully over the gawdawful inconvenience of a two-party system.

Whole thing here. Watch the work of a true American patriot below.

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  1. In fairness, the Republicans used reconciliation on things like raising the debt ceiling and bills relating to workaday theft that goes on Congress every day. Using it on health care is the equivalent of the Republicans using it to pass Social Security Privatization or the Iraq War resolution. Sometimes a difference in quantity becomes so large it is a difference in quality.

    Republicans should have thought about the possibility of Democrats taking the whole thing to another level back when they were doing it. And while they certainly screamed like stuck pigs over Democratic filibusters and thought about eliminating them, they never did. I also don’t recall (and if there were such things I would like to see them) conservative pundits openly calling for an end to equal state representation in the Senate or waxing philosophical about authoritarian regime’s like China’s ability to get things done.

    1. Just so. This claim:

      Having used the reconciliation process to achieve their own legislative goals 16 of the past 22 times,

      Flattens all legislation into meaningless mush, admitting no distinction between a ministerial debt ceiling measure and a massive restructuring of the economy and the relationship between the State and its citizens subjects.

      Same thing, really, with the Slaughter Solution – a parliamentary maneuver that has, in the past, been used to adopt Senate amendments to House bills is now being used in reverse, to adopt House amendments to Senate bills. The difference, of course, is that the former use of “deeming” rules was purely procedural – the House had already approved the underlying bill, so there was no Constitutional issue. Here, though, there is a Constitutional issue, because the House has not adopted the underlying bill.

      1. The Reason staff, being die hard cosmos, can’t admit that the Dems are ever worse than Republicans. They would lose their cards and stop getting invited to the meetings. So to avoid that, they act like a sleazy maneuver to pass a debt ceiling increase is the same as using the sleazy maneuver to totally restructure health care.

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          2. I’m going to gag every time someone uses the cliche’d “drink” response. Gagging’s not a game, it’s a visceral response to a joke so old it should be in the smithsonian by now

            1. Actually he used it wrong…criticizing Reason magazine and its writers is not a drinking offense. You have to say the words: “For a magazine called reason…”

              Bee tagger just likes to drink and is not doing it cuz of the drinking game.

          3. Same thing, really, with the Slaughter Solution – a parliamentary maneuver that has, in the past, been used to adopt Senate amendments to House bills is now being used in reverse, to adopt House amendments to Senate bills. The difference, of course, is that the former use of “deeming” rules was purely procedural – the House had already approved the underlying bill, so there was no Constitutional issue.Buy Facebook Fans Here, though, there is a Constitutional issue, because the House has not adopted the underlying bill.

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      2. And hell, you can look at the reconciliation votes and see that the vast majority were, in fact, budget bills. Of the rest, most of them had a super majority and were just passed under reconciliation because it was the end of the term (the welfare reform bill was passed three times until Clinton finally signed it), and the only other exceptions are tax bills.

  2. People don’t know what’s good for them.

    1. I like the poster of both Adolf Hitler of the Nazi Germany and Former president of the United States of America, George Bush aligned in one with a remarkable quote saying “Same shit, Different ******”. where does the author got the idea.However if I am asked whether I agree with it, I would say “NO!” There is a reason for it because I do think they both were feeding the people shits after all but they were different! So I would say “Different shit, Different ****!”

  3. Gephardt was just another Dick.

  4. The Reason staff, being die hard cosmos, can’t admit that the Dems are ever worse than Republicans.

    Get a grip.

    1. Facts are facts. The Democrats are trying one of the most outrageous authoritarian maneuvers in US history and all the Reason staff can say is “Republicans did it to” never mentioning that maybe raising the debt ceiling is a little bit different than Obamacare. It is classic Reason. They just can’t help themselves.

      1. Perhaps a review of the tu quoque fallacy is in order.

      2. Right, Healthcare reconciliation is right up there with the internment of the Japanese, the Trail of Tears, and Lincoln’s closing of the Maryland legislature to prevent a secession vote.

        Why don’t you just dig out your frontal lobe and donate to someone who can use it?

        1. FDR and Jackson were Democrats too.

    2. John has a point. Consider the number of pro-religion articles on this site versus those anti. Paleolibertarianism isn’t given much sympathy around here.

      1. Paleos are religious? I thought they just hated black people and wanted those damn kids to get off their lawn. As apposed to Cosmos who love black people and want to have weasel farms in their apartments.

        We really need better working definitions of Paleo and Cosmo.

  5. I like James Joyner’s comments on the reconciliation issue. It’s been used by both parties in the past for BUDGET MEASURES. Not giant entitlement expansions.

    1. At the end of the day, Obamacare, is a Budget Measure.

      1. Yup. It’s all about money.

      2. By that measure, every bill is a “budget measure.” And then arsenic must be a health food, because it affects your health.

  6. Let me give you an analogy on this.

    Attorneys will often discover typos or other minor errors in contracts after they are executed. It is a common, even universal, practice, to simply “swap pages” in the executed contract to correct the error, rather than re-execute the damn thing.

    Reconciliation and “deeming” have been used in the past for the legislative equivalent of swapping pages. What Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are trying to do is “swap pages” to change the price and terms of service.

    1. Exactly RC. If the republicans had involved us in the “Iranian conflict” using this procedure Matt would have a point. As it stands, this is really weak tea.

  7. Watch the work of a true American patriot below.

    “I’ve seen yellow stripes in the middle of the road, kids, but never quite this wide”

    Matt, the fact that you know Tom “T-Bone” Stankus is impressive. Next you’ll be linking to Kip Addotta and Ogden Edsl songs.

    1. All I’ve ever known about politics I learned from Dr. Demento. And every Hit&Run; commenter named “John,” of course.

      1. there it iS!

      2. H&R needs a Funny Five Time. And Napoleon XIV.

  8. Having used the reconciliation process to achieve their own legislative goals 16 of the past 22 times

    Very true. The NYT is correct to hoist retards petards.

    Now conservatives are tying themselves into knots trying to explain why the Slaughter Solution for health care would be obscenely unconstitutional, whereas the Hastert Rule was parliamentary S.O.P.

    So. Fucking. What?

    This is the new standard for legitimacy? The Republicans did it too?

    1. “This is the new standard for legitimacy? The Republicans did it too?”

      Exactly. It is a stupid and destructive point. The issue at hand is “is the use of reconciliation legitimate”. The fact that some of those objecting to it are hypocritical says nothing about that question. All it does is obscure the substance of the argument and make it into the usual political horse race story. Since political horse race and “gottcha” stories are the only things the media is capable of covering, it is not surprising this is their focus.

      1. You say exactly, but are you arguing that the republicans didn’t do it. No?

        1. I am arguing who cares?

          1. The 2006 and 2008 election results say a lot of poeple cared….and now with the coming 2010 election polling huge dem losses for pulling the same bullshit i would say many people still care.

    2. If the Democratic antebellum southerners got to own slaves, then I should get to own me some too!

  9. Wait, are you suggesting Dems and Repubs don’t have principles? Crazy talk!

  10. What a piece of fluff.

  11. Is that Bush/Nazi poster supposed to say, “Well, the American left was crazy during the run up to the Iraq war so it’s okay if the Tea Partiers are crazy now”?

    Of course, that poster wasn’t in even displayed in the United States (it was in Europe), so fail.

    1. No douschebag. It says that the left is a bunch of hypocrites for wetting their pants over the tea parties when they found things like the poster A OK when their side was doing it.

      And run “Bush Hitler” search on google images and you will see similar images at US protests.

      If you are going to come over from Kos to troll, try to put up a better effort. Jesus Juanita does a better job.

    2. Was San Fransisco in 2006 not part of the US?

      http://images.google.com/imgre…..tgef38HFDQ

      Do you really mean to claim that this kind of batshit insane signs and claims only happened in Europe? Get the fuck out of here.

      1. That man to Lee’s immediate right (dark gray shirt and glasses)sure is well endowed.

        http://www.thomasalbert.com/politics/protest/barbara_lee.jpg

  12. “The protesters are raising some nuanced questions … about the premises, cost, and aftermath” of the direction in which Congress seemed to be headed.

    I’m sympathetic to the protestors’ cause, but I’m not sure that there’s anything particularly “nuanced” about the protests. Or if it’s even possible for a mass protest to be nuanced.

  13. The Bush Tax cuts and Iraq/Afghan wars were not only reckless, they were non-funded.

    Republicans are all for non-funded expensive items to help to rich, screw the little-guy, and go to war. Money is just NO OBJECT for them when it comes to this.

    1. The AFghan was totally reckless. Clearly the proper course of action after the Afghan government refused to turn over those responsible for 9-11 was to do nothing.

      And tax cuts are just give aways to rich people. They are not lowering the confiscation rate of money rightfully belonging to people.

      What is this troll day?

      1. No, it’s weak troll day. Maybe it’s troll bring-your-kid-to-work day, and they are allowed to use daddy’s PC.

  14. They are not lowering the confiscation rate of money rightfully belonging to people.

    Then, can we please have the money back stolen from us that didn’t want the war?

    1. Alice – you got it. Just as soon as I get back all my $ that was was stolen from me for all the failed social programs.

    2. Sure, but let’s queue these things chronologically. First, return the money to all the people that didn’t want Social Security, Medicare, or any Great Society welfare programs. Then, you guys can have your share of whatever’s left.


  15. Alice – you got it. Just as soon as I get back all my $ that was was stolen from me for all the failed social programs.

    Only the failed ones? You sure you don’t want all of the money back? Including the programs you benefited from?

  16. So it was bad when republicans did it but cuz the republicans did it is not bad that democrats do it now.

    This is the logic of your average left wing ideologue.

    1. Yes Joshua,

      It sure is.

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  19. What fucking dictionary do liberals use? Seriously. “Many days” and they’re trying to ram a vote through this week? Did he get “days” and “seconds” mixed up again?

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    Only the failed ones? You sure you don’t want all of the money back? Including the programs you benefited from?
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