Where's the Paying Customer?
Health care reform isn't serious until the patient is at the center of the picture.
As someone under 60 with what passes for private health insurance and, far more important, access to actual health care (insurance and care are two very different things that are routinely and wrongly conflated in discussions of "reform"), I realize that I wasn't the primary audience of President Barack Obama's speech last night. In this, I am more representative than you might think. About 80 percent of people under 65 (who are covered by Medicare) have coverage and upwards of 80 percent of people with health care rate their service very favorably.
Yet as the father of two young kids whose backs are already bowing under the weight of the debt and future taxes our nation has wracked up in the past couple of decades, I'm more than a little concerned. Especially when Obama's speech failed to clarify even the most basic points for which he seemed to be reaching. Those of us who have coverage through existing private and public plans, he explained, can sit tight. Nothing will change. All uninsured people will be forced to get coverage, but precisely what that means is vague, to say the least (especially since half of them could either afford coverage now or qualify for existing programs). Then there's his claim that a plan which will cost almost $1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years will not only not cost us anything but will actually save us money in the long haul. No government official—and certainly not a president who came into office vowing to veto pork-barrel spending and implement a net spending cut and then did the exact opposite—has credibility on that score.
On a more basic level: Is the so-called public option in or out? Without saying it has to absolutely, definitely be part of any reform, Obama likened the mythopoetical public option to public universities that compete with private universities to increase choice for consumers. Leaving aside a host of questions about the analogy, college costs are among the few that have been rising with the speed and intensity of medical costs. So how would this sort of competition reduce costs, one of the main goals, says Obama, of any health care reform worth the name? Indeed, the obvious similarity between higher ed and health care is that both systems rely on a third-party payer system where expenses are heavily subsidized (by employers, tax breaks, parents, federal grants, special loans, you name it) and the end consumers (patients, students) are shielded from knowing the full cost of the services they consume.
And when we look at rising costs, what's to be done with Medicare, which Obama singled out for inviolable preservation (it's "a sacred trust" to him) yet denounced as spendthrift? Following a report by his own economic advisers that said around 30 percent of Medicare spending could be cut without any reduction in quality of service, Obama says we need to squeeze existing government programs for savings that will largely pay for the reforms, which include measures such as capping out of pocket costs and mandatory coverage of routine diagnostic tests such as mammograms that will certainly increase consumption of health care. It's a no-brainer to squeeze a program that wastes 30 percent of its budget, but it begs the question of why it has never been done. Not since Obama took office, and not since Bush expanded Medicare spending by hundreds of billions of dollars on prescription drugs (a plan whose price tag more than doubled in less than five years), and not since LBJ's actuaries underestimated the future cost of Medicare in 1990 by roughly 644 percent.
Obama proudly proclaimed that his plan would "cost around $900 billion over the next ten years" but that it would "not add to our deficit." This is simply not credible and, as my colleague Matt Welch points out with regularity, is exactly what Obama has promised regarding his overall spending plans, which most certainly have added to our deficits for as long as we dare look into the future.
One of the great problems with health care reform is that it always takes place, perhaps necessarily, either at the most grandiose level of abstraction ("Now," thundered Obama, "is the time to deliver on health care," as if it's an easily defined commodity) or the least insightful level of anecdote ("One man from Illinois," intoned the president, "lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about").
Here's a more basic question when it comes to controlling costs: The easiest way to do this is to make the person doing the buying actually pay the price. You haggle more when the change is coming out of your own pocket. Or, alternatively, you splurge because you're worth it. Earlier this year, my coverage changed from a conventional network preferred-provider plan with a standard co-pay for prescription drugs to a high-dollar deductible plan in which I essentially pay the first $2,000 dollars of medical care I consume in a year (any unused money rolls over in a Medical Savings Account that I can use in the following year). As my doctor prescribed me a brand-name drug, I thought about the cost and whether there were any possible alternatives. For the first time I can recall, I actually had a conversation with my doctor—right there, in the examination room—about medical costs. We settled on a generic alternative, saving me roughly $75 on that particular transaction. More recently, we had a similar conversation, in which he didn't know the costs of a name-brand drug and a generic alternative—a sign that the medical system has a long way to go in terms of customer service. Imagine going into an auto shop and the mechanic not being able to quote you the price difference between a new and refurbished part.
Yet exchanges such as the ones above are small examples of price signals being injected into a system that has consciously erected a series of mufflers, walls, and funhouse mirrors precisely to make it impossible for consumers to even know what they are paying, much less how to evaluate alternative plans of action. The blame here is shared by government policymakers, insurance bureaucrats, and medical providers, all of whom have some stake in a status quo that serves them tolerably well. Any reform that doesn't explicitly and transparently harness the same basic market forces that have driven down prices and improved quality throughout the economy over the past several decades simply will not work at containing costs and thus, expanding access (cheaper, better goods and services, whether we're talking about automobiles or plane tickets or gourmet coffee, have a way of leaching out into every level of society).
Doctors and other health professionals, who assiduously work to limit the number of health care providers in a given field, bitch and moan all the time about how Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurers are driving down reimbursements for basic procedures. Yet somehow the overall cost of health care goes up, up, up. It's because the system, including the vague reforms being championed by Barack Obama in a speech designed to lay out his plan in detail, really don't do anything to empower the person at the center of the drama—the patient, the customer—with the sort of choices that might actually trigger changes that will either curtail costs or, same thing, improve the range and quality of services so that we are happy with the money we're shoveling out.
Until that discussion gets underway, any so-called reform will fail to deliver on anything other than empty promises.
Nick Gillespie is the editor in chief of Reason.tv and Reason.com.
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Until we increase the supply, we're not going to be successful in accomplishing a damn thing to reduce the cost of health care. But, of course, that doesn't give Obama a chance to pontificate on national television, and is therefore useless as an idea.
We should move towards licensing Naturopathic Doctors with degrees from 4-year Clinical ND programs in all 50 states.
We make great primary care physicians. Unfortunately we're only licensed as physicians in 15 states. Graduating and licensing more NDs would ease some of the shortage of PCPs caused by quotas on MDs.
How would price controls on medical school tuition affect supply?
A somewhat non-libertarian suggestion: if we have laws that require gas stations to post prices and food labels and fast-food restaurants to display nutrition information, what if we required hospitals and doctors to make available a list of prices for their services?
@BallonMaker
I think you meant "fortunately". Take your hippie medicine back to Jelly Bean Land.
Not sure it'll matter what the prices are, when insurance companies are ultimately footing the bill. Of course, not even an influx of providers will really help draw down prices either, for the same reason.
@PapayaSF
I think you are on to something. While it shouldn't be required, a simple price list might be a way for an enterprising doctor or hospital to get more business and create competition.
My wife recently went in for a surgery and we never asked how much it was going to cost. Then we got the bill and I was shocked at the cost. If we had asked up front we could have asked around to other hospitals and doctors, even if we needed to drive a few hours, and possibly saved ourselves a lot of money.
What was the surgery?
I think another major issue that the President misses is the taxation. Obviously taxes are going to increase or the tax money will be diverted to a new health care program, but the idea behind this is wrong. Why should everyone be forced to pay for a program that doesn't benefit everyone? Obviously some people have a better program than the one that is being proposed, so why pay for a new one? It's unconstitutional and downright immoral for the government to force the privately insured to pay for public insurance that they don't want.
I just want to SPAM with Dr. Giggles quotes.
But I won't.
"Wait til you see my bill"
Ok, just one.
From an MD.........
I practice at a suburban Emergency Department. I work for a small group that contracts with a hospital. I work solely on RVUs which means I am paid based on the complexity of the patient and the number I see. Our patient satisfactions rates are high and our wait times are 19 minutes in the waiting room. Why? Because I am properly "incentivized" to see patients quickly and provide good customer satisfaction. Patients are customers and they can take their business elsewhere. if ObamaCare passes and the whole RVU system is changed, We won't need death panels as rationing will occur not by the government, but by increased wait times. Once health care is "free" over-utilization will ensue. Look at France which has the highest doctor visits and medication usage per capita. Why? They are entitled to it because they are "French." I propose true transparency in medicine. When you come see me, I will hand you a menu of services and costs. I will truthfully tell you what the pros and cons are of declining and/or consenting to services. Removal of the true costs of care from the consumer is what is driving up costs. Allow people to self ration. Also, enact Tort reform and allow me to practice with evidence based protocols and be free from the Lawyer attack dogs.
I'm tickled pink that the Reason writers have been picking up on my auto-insurance analogy meme, plus the whole issue of price singals getting fucked up by the insurance system. (maybe I got that last part from you, can't remember.)
@ Chris:
Will you please be my doctor?
While it shouldn't be required, a simple price list might be a way for an enterprising doctor or hospital to get more business and create competition.
The only problem with this is that the rate you pay depends on what was negotiated between the insurance company and the provider, so it really depends. Some insurance companies will tell you what an office visit will cost, but contracts with hospitals and such will be kept secret so as not to alert either the competition as to the contract they got or let doctors know someone else is getting paid more.
I'm afraid what is happening with the Senate Finance Committee bill is much more nefarious than anyone would be lead to believe.
Republican politicians call it a "public-private partnership" between big insurance and the federal government. But what is the reality? It is a entity best described as a government maintained insurance cartel.
Read The Nightmare That Is The Senate Finance Committee Healthcare Proposal
I can say with absolute conviction that what we are about to see coming out of the Senate is everything a public option would give you - rationing, loss of medical liberties, the whole nine yards. It now becomes a question of who is driving the bus - the government or government maintained insurance cartels. I would argue that neither option is desirable.
It all depends on whether you are talking about government controlled socialized medicine or government controlled fascist medicine. I do not use the word fascist in a demeaning way, but use it as a descriptive adjective that fits its definition. That of an authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology.
Both extremes do nothing to address the real problems, but as described in the link the government/corporate healthcare takeover has a real chance of passing the Senate due to its bi-partisan appeal. As I state in the article, it was very telling that lobbyists received a copy of the committee bill before the administration.
I have always asked how much something is going to cost and if there are alternatives. Here is a glaring problem I see with many in the health care industry -- I ask how much something will cost and they tell me not to worry about it because I have insurance,.
I had my gall bladder out a few yrs back and first thing he wanted to do was give me a script for pain pills and an antibiotic. I am allergic to most a/b so I refused them and said would check temp til saw him again. Asked on pain meds and ended up taking 2 advil and a tylenol in combo and they worked fine for me.
WE have become a pill society and honestly think we over medicate at times. I feel a little pain is good as it can keep you from doing silly things and perhaps causing more injury
That's why a high deductible insurance with HSA is important, as Nick Gillespie said.
I can offer my own anecdote. I joined Costco and get my prescriptions through them because my CDHP (with HSA) allows me to compare pharmacy costs that other people in my area have received at different pharmacies, and Costco saves me $24/month on one prescription, and that's extra money in my HSA.
The thing is, it can be hard to figure out how much the insurance company is paying, because pharmacies realize that most people don't care about that and only care about their co-pay.
Until we increase the supply, we're not going to be successful in accomplishing a damn thing to reduce the cost of health care.
Well, absent either overt rationing or covert rationing via wait list, of course.
The MD proposal above:
I propose true transparency in medicine. When you come see me, I will hand you a menu of services and costs. I will truthfully tell you what the pros and cons are of declining and/or consenting to services. Removal of the true costs of care from the consumer is what is driving up costs.
He is overlooking the impact of third-party payers. Patients don't give a shit about costs they won't pay.
If he wants to be able to refuse to treat a patient because they won't pay, he has another legal problem, called "patient abandonment." Once he sees the patient, hell, once the patient makes an appointment, that is "his" patient, and for him to refuse to provide care for that patient can lead to a lawsuit and liability.
Why don't we just cut the fat from programs like Medicare and Medicaid the use the resulting savings to lower taxes. If people weren't taxed so much, maybe we could afford this healthcare that is supposedly out of reach for the vast majority of Americans.
John T - That is what I am getting at, most have just let their insurance pay for whatever without even a question because it didn't come out of their pocket in a sense or so they thought. Medical costs kept going up and as long as their co-pay was the same, few cared. We can't make the insurance companies the villain here because they aren't no matter what anyone tries to tell you. We are to blame and so is the medical industry if you really think about it. Besides, this isn't supposed to be Health insurance reform but Health CARE reform. I don't know anyone that has been denied CARE for lack of insurance.
Don't be too hard on the doctors about the growing costs. For example, Medicare reimbursement for an Orthopedic surgeon to perform a Total Hip Arthroplasty (CPT code 27130) has been reduced by 39%, in the time period from 2001 to 2008. And that is not including the 22.7% inflation rate during the same period.
As an anesthesiologist, I do see why the cost of health care is so high. First, we have a population that is growing older. More people enroll in Medicare every day. With antibiotics, kidney dialysis, heart surgery...etc. we are able to keep people alive much longer than we could in 1965 when Medicare was started. Also, there is no limit on what Medicare will spend. No matter what the end result. This is usually from family pressure to "do all you can for grandma or grandpa". It's easy for a family to ask for futile care, especially when they aren't responsible for the cost.
Of course, isn't that the real question. How much do we do? But isn't it really "how much are we going to spend and who will pay?" Does our demented grandma, after her 3rd stroke, who is unable to walk, speak or eat, get a feeding tube? Antibiotics for her pneumonia? How about kidney dialysis? When she falls and breaks a hip, do we fix it? With most health care costs coming in the last few months of life, this is the elephant in the room that nobody want to address.
And I won't even start on the health costs associated with our obesity epidemic.
Also, there is no limit on what Medicare will spend. No matter what the end result. This is usually from family pressure to "do all you can for grandma or grandpa". It's easy for a family to ask for futile care, especially when they aren't responsible for the cost.
Exactly. The consumer is no longer held responsible for the costs most of the time, so the price signals that would normally control costs have ceased to exist.
Of course, isn't that the real question. How much do we do? But isn't it really "how much are we going to spend and who will pay?" Does our demented grandma, after her 3rd stroke, who is unable to walk, speak or eat, get a feeding tube? Antibiotics for her pneumonia? How about kidney dialysis? When she falls and breaks a hip, do we fix it? With most health care costs coming in the last few months of life, this is the elephant in the room that nobody want to address.
See, the trouble is that nobody likes the idea of some family pulling the plug on the elderly grandma because they can't afford to pay for her care.
But what they really don't see is that taking that decision out of their hands doesn't mean it won't get made. It'll just get made by someone else, in some other way. It'll get made by an insurance administrator, or an government regulator attempting to cut costs, or by a wait list, or by the distant political calculations of the electoral process. It'll get made by voters electing officials who promise to cut "waste", or "reprioritize" medical expenses. Or by voters who can't handle the idea of death, and bankrupt the country attempting to stop it.
Jon, My mother was a CRNA (anesthetist) 4 yrs strict Catholic nursing school, 2 yrs anesthesia training until she retired. The medical profession needs paid too but it still isn't the insurance companies here that are the villain, in some ways they are victims like the rest of us. If you take a look at the increases in the cost of living and the increases in medical care you will see the medical care increases are way above the COL. Why is this??? Check out the costs of drugs and supplies... I have not done this but suspect that is where the real culprit is and yet these are the industries that are supporting this bill so they don't have to do much to contain their costs. Add to this the fact that many of the new drugs were developed with Fed grants... our taxpayer dollars... in the first place. So basically we have paid for them once and then have to pay for them yet again. What's up with that??? Bring those costs down and the insurance companies will follow suit even if this isn't supposed to be insurance reform but health CARE reform. This is all politically motivated with the wrong players in bed with the gov't methinks and until they put the patient at the center of this plan, count me out. This is all to damage the insurance industry and fatten the pockets of the drug industry and the politicians.
JayJay: It costs $800 million to $1 billion to get a drug approved by the FDA. And if the company discovers it's good for treating something else, they have to go through the same process again. Now add in the costs of all the drugs that don't pass approval, and you're talking real money.
Posters:
A few people pointed out that my "prblem" with handing a patient a "menu" of services with the prices is becasue of the 3rd party payers. Although, I detest the insurance industry, my proposes transparency will allow for people to "shop" for medical services, especially in a saturated market. If I charge lower rates, I can often get prefferred status with insurace companies and they will steer their patients my way. So in effect, lower prices and transparency will drive my business nodel. Coupl ethis to HSAs and high deductible plans and we will see real savings.
In response to "Patient Abandonment"
EMTALA is a law that outlaws patient abandomnent. All it calls for is "Medical Screening Exam" which can be done by a nurse. If they don't have insurance, they can be given the door. I don't practice this way beacuase of obligation I feel for the uninsured and my fellow man. I also earn a very good living and beleive it is my resposibility to practice responsibly.
You seem life someone very informed! Kudos to you! I wish there were more providers who were more like-minded like yourself!
Sorry about the typos. Spell check doesn't seem to work on thsi version of IE....
Nurse practitioners do not get reimbursed by private or publicly funded insurance at the same rate as physicians - even if we perform the same medical act and produce the same outcome. When Medicare decided in the late 90s to increase NP reimbursement -their own report stated that there was no quantifiable reason for the differential in reimbursement (paraphrased). Unfortunately there are many NPs who want to pressure the government to mandate equal pay - what they really need to put their weight behind is, as you said, Nick - getting the other mofos out of the GD room! When I am seeing a patient I want insurance, pharmacy, government regulators out of the room! Then we can figure out, consumer to producer how much you are willing to pay for my services. Prices go up because there is no healthcare market!
My only point is that if you take the Bible straight, as I'm sure many of Reasons readers do, you will see a lot of the Old Testament stuff as absolutely insane. Even some cursory knowledge of Hebrew and doing some mathematics and logic will tell you that you really won't get the full deal by just doing regular skill english reading for those books. In other words, there's more to the books of the Bible than most will ever grasp. I'm not concerned that Mr. Crumb will go to hell or anything crazy like that! It's just that he, like many types of religionists, seems to take it literally, take it straight...the Bible's books were not written by straight laced divinity students in 3 piece suits who white wash religious beliefs as if God made them with clothes on...the Bible's books were written by people with very different mindsets.
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