Class War: Good Enough for FDR, Good Enough for Obama?
Historian Jean Edward Smith has some strong words for President Barack Obama in today's New York Times, arguing that Obama's health care retreat "suggests that the Democratic Party has forgotten how to govern and the White House has forgotten how to lead." As a little reminder/history lesson, Smith offers the example of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, a man who wasn't afraid to throw his weight around:
Roosevelt relished the opposition of vested interests. He fashioned his governing majority by deliberately attacking those who favored the status quo. His opponents hated him—and he profited from their hatred. "Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today," he told a national radio audience on the eve of the 1936 election. "They are unanimous in their hatred for me—and I welcome their hatred."…
For Roosevelt was a divider, not a uniter, and he unabashedly waged class war. At the Democratic Convention in 1936, again speaking to a national radio audience, Roosevelt lambasted the "economic royalists" who had gained control of the nation's wealth. To Congress he boasted of having "earned the hatred of entrenched greed." In another speech he mocked "the gentlemen in well-warmed and well-stocked clubs" who criticized the government's relief efforts.
The article continues along these lines, spinning off a nice little fairy tale where the brave FDR goes to battle against "the vociferous opposition of American business." But as it turned out, big business was typically quite happy with the new status quo. Consider the New Deal's National Recovery Administration, which sought to centrally plan the economy through hundreds of wage, hour, and price-fixing "codes of fair competition." Those codes invariably benefited the big firms and injured their small-scale competitors. And as historian Arthur Ekirch observed, "little attention was paid to the fact that it was industry itself that had largely prepared the regulations governing prices and production. Also ignored was the fact that the NRA meant the suspension of antitrust laws." How's that for "economic royalists"!
As for the claim that FDR's opponents were all heartless reactionaries (and thus worth ignoring), what about the principled opposition of progressive hero Al Smith? As governor of New York, Smith had championed many of the same economic regulations the New Deal later enshrined. Yet Smith spoke out repeatedly against the New Deal's creeping authoritarianism. In his mind, the central lesson of modern history was that alcohol prohibition "gave functions to the Federal government which that government could not possibly discharge, and the evils which came from the attempts at enforcement were infinitely worse than those which honest reformers attempted to abolish." Thus he legitimately worried that the New Deal would repeat and amplify the sins of the recently repealed 18th Amendment. Yet for raising these good-faith concerns, Al Smith was scorned by his longtime allies on the left. "Unless you're ready to subscribe to the New Deal 100 per cent and sign your life name on the dotted line, you're a Tory, you're a prince of privilege, you're a reactionary, you're an economic royalist," he later complained.
So FDR made a big show of attacking the "entrenched interests" while he quietly partnered with big business to create noxious legislation, and he found time to denounce the well-intentioned criticism of longtime friends and allies. Sounds like hope and change we can believe in!
For a few more reasons why emulating FDR would be a disastrous idea, see here, here, here, and here. And watch this:
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Make up your friggin' mind people. In one post you're pissin' all over bipartisanship, and now you're pissin' all over balls-to-the-wall gung-ho leadership. Which is it?
I'd have a lot more respect for Obama if he stopped playing politics and started playing hardball. Screw the opposition, screw the polls, and screw worrying about 2012. Just focus on the now.
(Not that I think he'd create something I'd like. I just prefer backbone vs. political waffling.)
The weaker and more spineless Obama is, the better. God forbid he actually manages to do what he wants.
Communist cunts. Keep shoving things down our throat and see what happens.
Keep shoving things down our throat and see what happens.
We'll keep posting angrily on message boards?
Eleanor strapon-fucks Franklin's paralytic ass in hell, by the way.
Bush/Cheney had no problem pushing through the shit that they wanted. The change we got was a spineless jellyfish that's afraid of pissing anybody off. God forbid he should be put in the position of having to make a real decision.
For Roosevelt was a divider, not a uniter, and he unabashedly waged class war.
I'm not quite seeing how the ultra-privileged son of a massively wealthy and powerful family would be waging "class war" in a way that Smith likes.
Exactly the way he likes. Fake.
FDR, the man who packed the Supreme Court, threw Americans into concentration camps and tried to throw Amreicans into jail for letting their customers chose their own chickens. That is a real role model for you.
It is just appalling how historically ignorant people are. Liberals are always so keen on making America face up to its former sins. Yet, they never seem to interested in talking about those sins when they were committed by other liberals.
"Bush/Cheney had no problem pushing through the shit that they wanted."
Yup. Immigration reform, retirement savings accounts and oh, wait...
"Bush/Cheney had no problem pushing through the shit that they wanted."
Of course the fact that huge numbers of Democrats voted for the Patriot Act, the Iraq War, No Child Left Behind, and the Medicare Drug Benefit, kind of helped.
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I thought Teddy Roosevelt was the cripple.
I thought Teddy Roosevelt was the cripple.
Emotionally, maybe.
He did spend his life compensating for boyhood asthma by kicking the ass of every situation he came across, whether it needed an ass-kicking or not.
Denouncing the rich and well-connected while working with them on policy (and, in the case of the NRA, letting them actually write laws directly without going through Congress) . . . I think Obama is certainly looking to FDR as a role model.
If only the Supreme Court could reverse its National Recovery Act decision and let the corporate interests simply write their own laws and cut out the legislative middleman. . .
TR was the War Hero(tm) - by which I mean, he killed him some Panamanians.
Actually, Sean, TR made his reputation as a War Hero in the Spanish-American War leading the Rough Riders up San Juan Hill in Cuba.
John Dos Passos derided the Roosevelt myth in one of his novels (don't remember which, I need to read some again).
He basically said that the Rough Riders charged up San Juan Hill and passed the Regulars who had already taken it walking down.
TR was a man of vision though. Stealing Panama from the Columbians was a masterstroke. They don't make 'em like that any more.
Some lesson...nobody seems to have learned it.
Tricky p,
Anybody who looked at Obama's record in Congress could have predicted that. He managed to rise so fast mainly by not taking any firm stands that would piss anyone off. No reason to think he would change now.
Make that "War Hero". Let's not digify the tale as though it were actually true.
Alas, FDR found that he needed those capitalist pigs to win a war so he had to come to an understanding with them.
Obama, however, doesn't have any such handicap. At least I haven't heard about any wars recently. Whatever happened to Cindy Sheehan, anyway?
Spartacus
I observed during the campaign that BO was able to speak in vague platitudes that people heard and inferred their own meaning from.
Essentially he became all things to all people.
After a while I started hearing some people making the same observation, so in some sense it must have been obvious.
He still managed to promote his own myth to enough people though.
had he followed a different path he might have been an extraordinary used car salesman.
"You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your economic power. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant."
Isaac Bartram--
You're right. All I'm saying is that some people (not necessarily tricky p) seem to think that he just adopted that (speaking in platitudes) in 2008 as a campaign strategy. I'm saying that his whole career has been that way, so people should have known better.
Whatever happened to Cindy Sheehan, anyway?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/28/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5272036.shtml
She's still going at it... the problem for her is that her army of supporters, in the press and the real world, were Obama supporters, so she's basically been abandoned, ignored, and even silenced.
Kind of sad, really. She's kind of a kook, but at least she's consistent.
had he followed a different path he might have been an extraordinary used car salesman.
I disagree. The whole point of Obama's chameleonic appeal to everyone seems to be his desire to be beloved by all. Had he followed a different path he might have been an extraordinarily creepy cult-leader, in the vein of Jim Jones or Charles Manson.
The whole point of Obama's chameleonic appeal to everyone seems to be his desire to be beloved by all.
I see Obama standing on a beach, next to a midget who is crying out "da plane boss, da plane".
Funny thing about Cindy Sheehan - now that I'm sure she's not just a party shill, I have a ton of respect for her.
Yet for raising these good-faith concerns, Al Smith was scorned by his longtime allies on the left.
If you can track them down, read Mencken's campaign columns from the time before FDR was first elected. Basically Mencken said that Smith was the ideal of democratic representation personified... but he was Catholic and a wet and therefore had no chance.
MikeP @ 1:22 = THREADWINNER.
"Whatever happened to Cindy Sheehan, anyway?"
Still stuck in the anger stage, just like Nader.
We'll keep posting angrily on message boards?
For now, it's enough to satiate my frustration and anger. I get much more angrier and it won't be.
"had he followed a different path he might have been an extraordinary used car salesman."
Or a mediocre lawyer.
For now, it's enough to satiate my frustration and anger. I get much more angrier and it won't be.
JB SMASH!
FDR was all pissed about entrenched wealth and economic royalists. Well, he was filthy stinking rich from old money. His programs benefitted big companies more than anyone else (often harming others even more). Sounds a little hypocritical to me. Another thing he and Obama share.
Funny thing about Cindy Sheehan - now that I'm sure she's not just a party shill, I have a ton of respect for her.
Sean, while she has stuck to her guns, don't forget the context in which we know of her.
Her son was a mechanic. When some buddies got into trouble he is reported to have replied to the warning that it might be hot with "I go where my chief goes".
Never forget how that piece of shit dishonored her son's sacrifice of his life, not for Bush's war, but for some buddies in trouble.
Fuck Cindy Sheehan with a chainsaw
"Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today," he told a national radio audience on the eve of the 1936 election. "They are unanimous in their hatred for me-and I welcome their hatred."
"You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your economic power. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant."
Yes, FULL OF WIN
JB SMASH!
I have described myself as a truckbomb-libertarian before 😛
Hey, where's Tony? He should be here by now, telling us what a wonderful, 100% altrustic guy FDR was, and how we need someone just like him today.
On the one hand, I have respect for Cindy Sheehan for her devotion to her cause, on the other hand I feel like Marshall Gill seemed to at 5:50. She's pretty unique, but whether that's a good thing or not, I'm unsure.