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The Jackboot Only Fits if You Don't Work for the Government

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Same as it ever was

Remember when National Rifle Association President Wayne LaPierre's Godwin's Law comment about "jackbooted government thugs" was the worst thing ever? Well, the mainstream commentariat continues to use the same incendiary, totalitarianism-invoking language to describe…individual citizens. The latest comes from Washington Post columnist and serial public broadcasting commentator E.J. Dionne:

This is not about the politics of populism. It's about the politics of the jackboot. It's not about an opposition that has every right to free expression. It's about an angry minority engaging in intimidation backed by the threat of violence.

Who, precisely, is being intimidated with violence here? The dudes showing up to town hall meetings with licensed firearms are not brandishing them (contrary to the fantasia of Scripps-Howard columnists), not (as far as I'm aware) making verbal threats to anyone, and not getting anywhere near elected officials, thanks in part to law enforcement who are hyper-aware of their presence. The closest thing we have to town hall "intimidation" by an armed man is Ron Paul supporter (and onetime Hit & Run commenter?) William Kostric (pictured) displaying a Thomas Jefferson quote that I was first made conscious of by lefty opponents of George W. Bush.

But even less accurate than the intimidation charge is the notion that scattered individuals in a free country are the equivalent of uniformed murderers acting on behalf of a totalitarian government. I mean, this is not hard to grasp, right? And yet here we see our fellow not-in-power Americans described as "fascists," "political terrorists," and "brownshirts," often by the very same people who complain (and rightly so!) about spurious Nazi analogies.

Read more of E.J.'s Dinonsense if you want to see how these Americans, some of whom are black, are just like lynch mobbers. Another one for the Hate Beat!

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144 responses to “The Jackboot Only Fits if You Don't Work for the Government

  1. I keep saying that this is not about left and right it is about culture. E.J. Dione is not Rachel Maddow. He is pretty right of center. Yet, he joins Maddow in shouting “fascist” over this. That is because both Dione and Maddow are part of the beltway elite culture. That culture hates and mistrusts the rest of the country. That is why they went so bizerk over Palin. How dare some hockey mom from Alaska dare to play in their sandbox. Now it is how dare people without advanced degress who live in unfashionable places and believe crazy things like the Constitution actually means what it says dare to stand up to our errudite Harvard President.

  2. John, John, John.
    I loves me some hockey and beer and sitting around farting on the front porch. I’ve killed me some deer and ‘et me some beans straight outta da can. But I still think Palin is a complete moron.
    You got to get over your crush, man.

  3. Where is that bottom photo from? It’s giving me chills.

    Also, I’m as flabbergasted as anyone by the hysterical MSM coverage of Obamacare’s opponents. Keep up the good work.

  4. This is starting to really piss me off. Yeah, some people strongly disagree with you. I don’t see explosions going off in the street, though, so can the hyperbole.

  5. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but your pushback does underplay the fact that before seizing power, the brownshirts were a not-in-power minority. It is not completely impossible for the exercise of free speech to ALSO be part of a campaign of intimidation. I’m not saying that’s what’s going on, just that it can happen. While the burden of proof is on the idiots shouting ‘Nazi’, it is not a good counterargument to shout back ‘but these guys are outnumbered and not in charge’.

  6. Good for you CN. But of course I would like to know a politician that is not a moron. The point is that the entire pants wetting episode the beltway media is having over the town halls is about culture. They think anyone who is not them is a moron. And anyone who is not one of them who stands up and says somethiing a dangerous moron. In their eyes, they rule by devine right. That is why you can see people from both sides of the political spectrum writing stupid shit like Dione is writing.

  7. How about this for legal thuggery (from Drudge):

    In a move some fear is a reprisal for opposing President Obama’s health care plan, Democrats sent 52 letters to health insurers requesting financial records for a House committee’s investigation.

    Reps. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and Bart Stupak, D-Mich., sent a letter warning health insurers that the House Energy and Commerce Committee is “examining executive compensation and other business practices of the health industry.”

    Waxman, chairman of the committee, and Stupak, chairman of the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee did not inform their Republican counterparts of their plans.

    Health insurers have until Sept. 4 to provide Congress a detailed list of every employee who made over a $1 million dollars a year between 2003 and 2008. Democrats also want documents about conferences and any events held off company property as well as the types of transportation, lodging, food, entertainment and even gifts exchanged.

    Raising the intimidation stakes: the Waxman letter offers insurers no explanation of what is being investigated or why.

    Yikes. As subtle as a firing squad.

  8. “While the burden of proof is on the idiots shouting ‘Nazi’, it is not a good counterargument to shout back ‘but these guys are outnumbered and not in charge’.”

    How about outnumbered, not in charge, and not engaging in violence. That should about cover it.

  9. If there were any sort of actual violence (and I mean just a scuffle with some shoving, nothing worse than a baseball fight), the media would just cream themselves right on the spot.

    Mackey just offered a differing view from his customers. The MSM calls them retards on a regular basis.

  10. We really need to come up with the name for the condition that is at the heart of all of the garment rending on the left.

    I’ll throw out the first suggesiton: Partisanoid-hysteriaform-democraphobia

  11. Ugh. Too many “they”s and “them”s. Mi mal.

  12. “We really need to come up with the name for the condition that is at the heart of all of the garment rending on the left.”

    That is the thing. Dione isn’t a leftist. He is just an asshole.

  13. Health insurers have until Sept. 4 to provide Congress a detailed list of every employee who made over a $1 million dollars a year between 2003 and 2008. Democrats also want documents about conferences and any events held off company property as well as the types of transportation, lodging, food, entertainment and even gifts exchanged.

    Release the lawyers and let slip the hounds of regulatory challenge!

  14. That is the thing. Dione isn’t a leftist. He is just an asshole.

    Please, John, that’s very insensitive to assholes everywhere. You owe them an apology.

  15. E.J Dione was and I think still is the editor of the WSJ editorial page. He used to hold the coveted center collumn Friday spot on the WSJ editorial page. He is a total rightty. He used to be a very smart guy. What the fuck is the matter with him?

  16. Try a thought experiment: What would conservatives have said if a group of loud, scruffy leftists had brought guns to the public events of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush?

    We would have been mortified. Not by the guns, but because they were…well…scruffy.

  17. Is Godwin’s Law the one that suggests that we should purge all references to the defining world event of the 20th Century from any debate?

    It’s that kind of lazy thinking that leads to ignorance of the history behind words like brownshirt or jackboot.

  18. Yikes. As subtle as a firing squad.

    Fucking WAXMAN.

  19. ‘Cause he’s the Wax-Man.
    Yeaahhh, he’s the Wax-Maaaaaaan!

  20. Sean, I’ve read your comment here and in the previous thread, and I have to say this:

    There are many jurisdictions in the United States where it is legal to carry a firearm as long as you don’t conceal it. These are the so-called “open-carry” areas.

    I realize that to many leftists and urbanites, total disarmament of all citizens in public is the norm. But people who live in open-carry areas are under no obligation to defer to your womanish sensibilities where the law provides them with a clear right.

    Clutch that handkerchief a little tighter, toots. The entire point of engaging in open carrying for many activists is to make people aware that open carry is legal. It’s precisely the fact that Rachel Maddow would gasp and say, “Is this legal?” that makes what these guys did laudable. They educated a huge number of people by this action.

  21. I love it how people like Waxman who are using the no shit power of government to indtimidate opponents and stifle dissent are public servents while anyone who goes a townhall and asks their Congress Creature and uncomfortable question is a brownshirt.

  22. Open carry of a firearm where allowed: fine.
    Carrying a sign quoting Jefferson about killing tyrants: great.

    Doing so at an event attended by the President: priceless (in a bad way)

    And a gold star to the Secret Service for not overreacting. Under Bush that fellow would have been in a free speech cage quite some distance away….assuming he had not been arrested or worse.

  23. But even less accurate than the intimidation charge is the notion that scattered individuals in a free country are the equivalent of uniformed murderers acting on behalf of a totalitarian government. I mean, this is not hard to grasp, right?

    How do you think the Nazis came to power in the first place? The original Nazis – especially the SA – were not very different from our militia movements. The National Socialist movement in the late 20s-early 30s had its strength in armed groups of private citizens convinced they needed to take violent measures to protect their country from being run into the ground by socialists and cosmopolitans. And of course the elite right-wing in Germany, who despised the Nazis as illiterate thugs, eventually made the mistake of putting Hitler into power, thinking they could control his brand of populism. Hindenburg was not unlike the Bushes and McCains of our country who are willing to use a demagogue like Palin or ignore the demagogic inflammatory rantings of a Glenn Beck. There’s a long established history of both right and left wing elites losing control of the populist passions they enflame. In this case the Nazi analogy is certainly an overreaction but it’s not spurious.

  24. E.J. Dione is not Rachel Maddow. He is pretty right of center.

    WTF? In what universe is Dionne right of center? Personally, Ive always described him as “extreme idiot”.

    I came in to comment that Welch’s first mistake was in reading anything Dionne wrote.

  25. Sometimes I think it would be fun to spoof John, but I dont think I could realistically spoof the spelling.

  26. Joan Walsh is hysterical; and not in the good (har-de-har-har) way.

    —–

    It’s not about an opposition that has every right to free expression.

    You can’t “open carry” because Chris Matthews might piss his pants; it’s exactly the same as shouting “fire!” in a crowded movie house.

  27. The original Nazis – especially the SA – were not very different from our militia movements.

    I think the comparative absence of violence is difference-making to the point of rendering the comparison laughable.

  28. Vanya you ignorant slut. German politics in teh 1920s was violent in a way American politics is just not. The brownshirts were not populusts who showed up at meetings. They were an armed gang that roamed the streets and showed up at oppositions rallies and beat the shit out of people. If this country had brownshirts a few hundred thousand of them would have showed up in Denver at the DNC and beaten hundreds of people sensless. Or they would have showed up at the nutroots convention and killed a few people and sent a few hundred more to the hospital. Or they would go into liberal neighborhoods in places like San Fran or Madison and burn down houses and kill people. That is what brownshirts did.

    To compare any politician today to “brownshirt populism” is stupid and disgusting. And it is an insult to memory of the people who were victimized by the brownshirts. So let me be the first to say, shut the fuck up.

  29. John,

    You have confused Dionne with someone else. Who, I have no fucking clue.

  30. “WTF? In what universe is Dionne right of center? Personally, Ive always described him as “extreme idiot”.”

    You are right. I am confusing him with Paul Gigot. He is not right of center. But he is not a crazy either until now. I can’t keep these clowns straight anymore.

  31. I really don’t have time today to compose a thoughtful, nuanced comment to this post.

    Anyone who cannot discern that the current “mainstream” media is quickly turning into Pravda, has their head up their ass.

    Insert standard disclaimers here…yada yada yada.

  32. But he is not a crazy either until now

    He has been nucking futs for as long as Ive been reading him, and I stopped sometime in the mid 90s.

  33. Regarding health care “reform,” here’s something that even the great booboisie can comprehend: When the government wants it, when car salesmen want it, when lawyers and journalists want it, when gray-matter-impaired celebrities want it, it just has to be a bad thing.

  34. John,

    Dionne works the Washington Post. He’s a lefty, and I don’t think he ever worked for the WSJ.

    You’re thinking about Paul Gigot, who is still a righty last time I checked.

  35. I read the comments section to that Joan Walsh Salon piece on the guy in the picture. It is like reading the comments of children on PCP.

  36. vanya,

    It is spurious. The protesters don’t appear to be particularly unified. The S.A. was.

  37. And, of course, the S.A. used their guns and truncheons.

  38. Even if they were unified Pro, they still wouldn’t be brownshirts unless they were violent as hell. Also there is the small fact that the SA was a paramilitary organization with a very structured leadership. But Palin is just like Ernst Brum.

  39. Matt Welch,

    Best. Mouse-over tags. Ever!

  40. Where is that picture of the soldier aiming his rifle at the man/girl from?

  41. Dionne better never leave his house to exercise any of his rights.

  42. Okay, Matt, which Hit & Run commenter were you thinking of? You can tell us.

  43. The Nazis were masters of propeganda. They were brilliant at portraying themselves as victims and their enemies as violent authoritarian thugs. In many ways, the pants wetting left, by trying to portray their enemies as thugs, are playing right out of the Nazi playbook.

  44. I was trying to figure that out as well Pro. There is no mention of Reason in the link.

  45. Pro-lib,

    Read the Salon link. The guy in the picture apparently did comment on a post last year here suggesting that cops who make drug arrests would back off if they faced armed resistance.

    Hit&Run: I come for Matt’s mouse-over tags, but I stay for the veiled threats against law enforcement.

  46. From link

    There’s no overt reason to conclude from his Web presence that Kostric is violent, although on the Web site of Reason, the libertarian magazine, someone posting under his name defends drug dealers who kill police officers who enter their homes to arrest them:

    “If people can’t wake up and see why it’s immoral to trespass and destroy someones property, kidnap and lock them in a cage for growing a plant in their backyard then perhaps a body count is what’s required for change.

    “I personally feel zero sympathy for those cops. I reserve my sympathy for the victims of the nonsense they initiate.”

    If Kostric really believes “perhaps a body count is what’s required for change” in the case of cops moving against drug dealers, it would be interesting to know what other causes he thinks a “body count” might hasten along.

    This is why I post under nickname. When I go nuts it won’t be easily tied back to you guys.

  47. This is why I post under nickname. When I go nuts it won’t be easily tied back to you guys.

    Ditto.

    Although, uhhh, mine not be too tricky a code to crack.

  48. But what was his handle?

  49. “Police are looking for a man who is not made of sugar in connection with the shootings.”

  50. Me caveman. Leave out key word. Grammar hard.

    Stick a “might” between “mine” and “not”.

  51. Oh, sorry, just commenting without reading anything. How funny!

  52. Don’t worry sugerfree, when the headline reads “diabetic kills five cops in no knock raid and later blows up city hall” we will know it was you.

  53. Don’t worry. If anything happens to me, my best friend (who only lurks) has instructions to tell you guys my real name so you can follow me on the news.

    Although, I doubt it would be a shooting spree. Probably molestation of a national monument or my wife will leave me and and make it look like I killed her. And everyone will believe the worst.

  54. I accept what you’re saying above re: gun rights. I’m fine with them. That doesn’t exclude the possibility that people can open-carry for the purposes of intimidating others. Acknowledging that doesn’t make me a bedwetter or whatever you’re calling me.

  55. There are plenty of things a body count would change. The sad thing is Walsh thinks that is the method desired for change or at least alludes to such action hastening change. When, dare I risk putting words into someone’s mouth, the use of force to protect ones rights is generally a last resort. But it’s not a resort some people are afraid to use. It’s sad such a comment will be taken out of context of the article and even the comment itself.

    Retarded people making serious comparisons to Nazis are fucking retarded.

  56. That doesn’t exclude the possibility that people can open-carry for the purposes of intimidating others.

    So, you’re scare of guns. This sounds like your problem not anyone else’s.

  57. Fuck it. When I go nuts I’m taking Reason and all you bastards with me.

  58. Don’t worry. If anything happens to me, my best friend (who only lurks) has instructions to tell you guys my real name so you can follow me on the news.

    I’ll be the guy in the wiener costume wielding a spatula and probably brandishing some sort of firearm.

  59. Good you tube of the gun toting maniac


    Wonder why the brown shirt didn’t spit on William Kostric

    I wish he would have shot the guy…

  60. Probably molestation of a national monument
    I actually have a personal goal of tasting every national monument. (Kind of like the High Point Club, I guess.)
    True story.

  61. reading E.J.’s column came across this part
    “The simple fact is that an armed citizenry is not the basis for our freedoms. Our freedoms rest on a moral consensus, enshrined in law, that in a democratic republic we work out our differences through reasoned, and sometimes raucous, argument.”

    Pretty much where I stopped reading. seems he forgot that the basis for our freedom IS the armed citizenry. If the minutemen would have tried to use moral consensus against the redcoats we all would be talking funny with bad teeth right now.

  62. Somewhere on my blog is a picture of me licking Ft. Moultrie. Mmmmm, rebelliously chalky…

  63. I actually have a personal goal of tasting every national monument.

    I worked very hard to pee on every building on campus when I was in college. I’m still waiting for my medal.

  64. I’m sure there are several homeless guys in line before you, Warty.

  65. Not to mention frat boys…

  66. I saw something similar on Hardball last night. Chris Mathews had some guy from Gun Owners of America (who I thought did a poor job; no doubt why he was chosen) and some other weenie discussing the issue. Mathews pretty much wet himself; he went so far as to say that he was fine with police officers searching people on the street for guns. He either never heard of the 4th Amendment or doesn’t think it applies to gun owners (the latter I suspect–for all of these guys, right and left, the Constitution they claim to respect is little more than an irritating speed bump).

    Sure, they “respect” our rights. But if we exercise them, we’re “crazy”.

  67. Our freedoms rest on a moral consensus, enshrined in law, that in a democratic republic we work out our differences through reasoned, and sometimes raucous, argument.

    Nice selective memory. Or did you study history at an Ivy League school?

  68. Thew other really nice thing about that Walsh link is her utter disregard for the actual reason(!) people like us are pissed off about the Drug War.

    What a dunce.

  69. veiled threats against law enforcement

    What threat? He was stating a fact. The more cops that die enforcing no-knock warrants and other such non-sense, the fewer of them will want to participate.

    Most cops are total cowards.

  70. This is why I post under nickname. When I go nuts it won’t be easily tied back to you guys.

    Just make sure to leave a few NutraSweet packets at the crime scene as a calling card.

  71. Here is a shout out to William Kostric for making Joan Walsh’s vagina hurt.

  72. I love Slate! Obama, too! He’s like a messiah or something to me!
    I have seen the light, Lord! Lead me down the path to universal health care. Lead me from the temptation of open carry.
    I have seen the light!
    You getting all this, Joan Walsh?

  73. Honest to God,
    How can Jack Shafer refrain from going up to Joan Walsh and kicking her right in the nuts?

  74. If the minutemen would have tried to use moral consensus against the redcoats we all would be talking funny with bad teeth right now.

    You mean, outside of the the South, right?

  75. “I accept what you’re saying above re: gun rights. I’m fine with them. That doesn’t exclude the possibility that people can open-carry for the purposes of intimidating others. Acknowledging that doesn’t make me a bedwetter or whatever you’re calling me.”

    No, but being intimidated by people exercising their rights does make someone a bedwetter.

  76. Where is that picture of the soldier aiming his rifle at the man/girl from?

    It is a WWII photo taken at the massacre of Lidice, a Czech village destroyed by the Nazis as retaliation for the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich.

    The entire population of Lidice was shot and the whole village was torched.

    This is what REAL “jackbooted brownshirts” do.

  77. On the contrary, violence and the threat of violence have always been used by those who wanted to bypass democratic procedures and the rule of law. Lynching was the act of those who refused to let the legal system do its work. Guns were used on election days in the Deep South during and after Reconstruction to intimidate black voters and take control of state governments.

    Yes, I have raised the racial issue, and it is profoundly troubling that firearms should begin to appear with some frequency at a president’s public events only now, when the president is black. Race is not the only thing at stake here, and I have no knowledge of the personal motivations of those carrying the weapons. But our country has a tortured history on these questions, and we need to be honest about it. Those with the guns should know what memories they are stirring.

    I guess Dionne doesn’t remember when the Black Panther Party for Self Defense sent some rifle-toting members to Sacramento to attend a legislative session that was considering some lameass gun control measure back in 1967. It was reading what the Panthers had to say about gun rights around 1970 that brought me around to taking the Second Amendment seriously. (The fact that the Panthers turned out to be violent thugs doesn’t discredit their arguments. Nor does it justify the slaughter of Fred Clark and Mark Hampton by Chicago police in 1969.)

  78. Where is that picture of the soldier aiming his rifle at the man/girl from?

    Lidice, Czechoslovalia 1942. Reprisal for Heydrich’s assassination.

  79. Mathews pretty much wet himself; he went so far as to say that he was fine with police officers searching people on the street for guns.

    I believe Jamaica tried something like this a couple of decades ago. As we all know, there hasn’t been any gun violence in Jamaica since then.

  80. Try a thought experiment: What would conservatives have said if a group of loud, scruffy leftists had brought guns to the public events of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush?

    People were arrested/detained for wearing anti-war/anti-Bush T-shirts at Bush Rallies despite having tickets to the even. Someone showing up with a gun and the Jefferson quote would probably wind up in Guantanamo and the conservatives would be cheering them on.

    Note: I personally, have no problem with people showing up with guns at political rallies, assuming they are in compliance with the law. But let’s also not forget that we’ve had plenty of assassination attempts on President’s and elected officials. If the local laws allow open or concealed carry, security probably should be beefed up and don’t bitch about extra scrutiny when you are carrying a gun to a town hall.

  81. And a gold star to the Secret Service for not overreacting. Under Bush that fellow would have been in a free speech cage quite some distance away

    I assumed he *was* in a “free speech zone.”

  82. Haven’t read all the comments, but that Salon.com article is retarded. Oh noes! He quotes Jefferson and *gasp* Jack London! But, like, not in a literary way, because he’s teh evil libertarian.

    These people scream “Free State Project” with the same abject terror that Lonewacko reserves for the NAFTA Superhighway.

  83. This kind of demonization of citizens objecting to government action is a trend. A bad one. It’s perfectly sane to freak out at the way our government is behaving these days. The war on terror. Socializing whatever. The assault on civil liberties. The expansion of government. Yada, yada, and, furthermore, yada.

  84. The State fears the man who carries a gun. They do not understand that the man who carries a gun often does so because he fears the State.

  85. the same abject terror that Lonewacko reserves for the NAFTA Superhighway

    I’ve never really understood the problem with the NAFTA Superhighway. Wouldn’t it just make it easier for the Mexicans to get to Canada?

  86. John,

    Yes, Nazis are bad – you’re a morally superior person for realizing that, good for you, John. It used to be only leftists got their panties twisted whenever historical comparisons to Germany came up, now we have to deal with crybabies on the right as well. I agree that Glenn Beck is not Ernst Rohm, that should be such a staggeringly obvious point it doesn’t even need to be made. My point is that Matt Welch is confusing the issue by saying things like “uniformed murderers acting on behalf of a totalitarian government”. The Brownshirts were demonstrably NOT acting on behalf of a totalitarian government, they were in fact private citizens (and then the totalitarian government killed their leaders when it took power, ha ha). The original KKK used violence to intimidate citizens, and it was not acting on behalf of a totalitarian government. There are plenty of historical examples of populist movements turning violent – both left and rithg. It’s very true that the townhall protestors have done nothing that deserves comparison to Brownshirts or the KKK, but to criticize Dionne you have to at least try to understand what he’s saying, and Welch apparently does not.

  87. So Kostric the libertarian birther talks about killing cops being a good thing and shows up armed at a town hall meeting. Then the libertarian radio show plant shows up at a town hall with a machine gun. Image is everything. Libertarianism as a viable political party is now over. Thanks for playing along.

  88. seems he forgot that the basis for our freedom IS the armed citizenry. If the minutemen would have tried to use moral consensus against the redcoats we all would be talking funny with bad teeth right now.

    Actually the basis for our freedom is the French navy. Don’t they teach history in your schools anymore?

  89. “Libertarianism as a viable political party is now over.”

    Uh… this is a bit like announcing that Ptolemaic theory is no longer a viable theory of the cosmos.

  90. If the minutemen would have tried to use moral consensus against the redcoats we all would be talking funny with bad teeth right now.

    But we’d have shitty socialized medicine, so it would totally be worth it.

  91. I don’t think so, brotherb.
    I envision a great Freak Power/redneck/investor class convergence.

    My dream is captured by the second picture in this story.

  92. Vanya,

    You said

    ” Hindenburg was not unlike the Bushes and McCains of our country who are willing to use a demagogue like Palin or ignore the demagogic inflammatory rantings of a Glenn Beck.”

    I am sorry but that is crap. McCain and Bush are nothing like Hindenberg. And Palin and Beck are nothing like Hitler and Rohm. To make such a comparison is gross and insulting. At some point the difference in degree becomes a difference in kind. Yes, a lot of average people support and agree with the things that Palin and Beck say. And a lot of average German’s agreed with the Nazis. But nothing Palin and Beck say is in anyway analogous to what that Nazis were saying. There is no comparison. Not everything is a repeat of history. Some history, especially that which relates to the Nazis really is unique. And some people in the present are just who they are. Your coparison is moronic.

  93. Sug, nobody wants to go to Canada. Duh.

  94. I liked Canada. It was cute… sort of a tow-headed, self-righteous, kid brother of a country. I wanted to tousle the whole nation’s hair and call it a “scamp.”

  95. The left and the right are both in a tizzy and being spurred on by the pundits and pustules on both sides. Suddenly the have a scapegoat they can tie to gun lovers, dopers, militias, racists, porno-lovers and anti government radicals. All right here. Look through the comments archived here. take them out of context and put them in the MSM blender for some serious spin and there ya go. Blame it all on the libertarians. The prayers of an imploding two party system have been answered.

  96. “I liked Canada. It was cute… sort of a tow-headed, self-righteous, kid brother of a country. I wanted to tousle the whole nation’s hair and call it a “scamp.”

    Canada is a great country. It is a little cold but beautiful. The problem is that it is full of Canadians.

  97. Our freedoms rest on four things: the ballot box, the soap box, the jury box…and when those are taken from us, the cartridge box.

  98. Sug, nobody wants to go to Canada. Duh.

    I do. Canada is awesome. Better strip clubs, 19 year old girls can drink. Good beer. And Canadiens tend to be super friendly.

  99. The only good thing about universal health care is that it will be one less thing self-righteous Canadians can screech about evil America. It may mean that they will just have even more time to devote to fainting over ZOMG concealed weapons, however.

    (You can tell I love talkin’ politics with the fam, eh?)

  100. Hey, now, I like Canadians. Their government sometimes pisses me off, but, hey, so does mine!

    About Hindenburg. Prior to the Nazis taking power, Hindenburg (and the various chancellors) were operating under emergency powers, which allowed them to rule basically by decree, without prior approval by the Reichstag. It wasn’t actually dictatorial power because the Reichstag could reject presidential actions ex post facto, but it was a great deal more power than presidents in the U.S. enjoy, even today.

  101. Better strip clubs, 19 year old girls can drink. Good beer. And Canadiens tend to be super friendly.

    All of those things are true. Sadly for Canadians, SugarFree has embarked on a single-handed mission to poach all of Canada’s hot girls, talented doctors and horticulturalists for his own nefarious purposes.

  102. I go to Canada all the time. If it wasn’t for the fucked up health system I would live in Montreal, Vancover, Winnepeg, or Toronto in a minute. The problem is that just once I would like to have a conversation with a Canadian who doesn’t spend 10 minutes telling me how much better Canada is the US and how horrible the US is. They like Canada. Good for them. Now shut up. They have a serious case of over compensation.

  103. “They like Canada. Good for them. Now shut up. They have a serious case of over compensation.”

    They’re Canadians. Duh.

  104. SugarFree has embarked on a single-handed mission to poach all of Canada’s hot girls

    I didn’t hear you complaining when I smuggled you across the border.

  105. Sorry Seamus,

    I should have put free speech zone in caps a la “free speech zone” since, of course, the entire country is a “free speech zones” (excluding airports and movie theaters natch)… I mean, you do remember the Bush era “free speech zones” no?

  106. I should have put free speech zone in caps a la “free speech zone” since, of course, the entire country is a “free speech zones” (excluding airports and movie theaters natch)… I mean, you do remember the Bush era “free speech zones” no?

    Of course I do. Do you have any reason to believe that they aren’t still being set up near places that the new boss shows up, and that critics are being channeled there so that His Obamaness doesn’t have to face unruly citizens?

  107. Correction: “and that critics *aren’t* being channeled there”

  108. No, but being intimidated by people exercising their rights does make someone a bedwetter.

    Lawful or not, the presence of someone carrying a killing machine can be a form of intimidation. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m not a gun nut, so I don’t understand. He must have been planning to take some target practice during the town hall, of course.)

    A lot of libertarians have serious trouble distinguishing between what you should the right to do and what you should do. It’s a symptom of Sobchak Syndrome.

  109. The problem is that just once I would like to have a conversation with a Canadian who doesn’t spend 10 minutes telling me how much better Canada is the US and how horrible the US is. They like Canada. Good for them. Now shut up. They have a serious case of over compensation.

    Yeah, they’re kinda like Apple zealots in that way. It must be the minuscule market share that drives them off the deep end.

  110. “Lawful or not, the presence of someone carrying a killing machine can be a form of intimidation. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m not a gun nut, so I don’t understand. He must have been planning to take some target practice during the town hall, of course.)”

    It’s only intimidation if you allow it. There were police present who would have interceded if any threatening actions were taken. Besides which, who gives a shit why he had it. He wasn’t breaking the law and frankly, considering the way SEIU and Acorn thugs have acted at some town halls, I wouldn’t have blamed him if the felt he needed the weapon for personal protection.

    If you don’t, tough. You don’t have to like someone exercising their right, but you need to quit bitching when they do.

    “A lot of libertarians have serious trouble distinguishing between what you should the right to do and what you should do. ”

    And a lot of people have serious trouble distinguishing that they’re not the arbiter of what is right and wrong. That’s a symptom of being a dipshit.

  111. You don’t have to like someone exercising their right, but you need to quit bitching when they do.

    Can you spot the irony in what you wrote?

    And a lot of people have serious trouble distinguishing that they’re not the arbiter of what is right and wrong. That’s a symptom of being a dipshit.

    Sobchak Syndrome: You’re not wrong, you’re just an a**hole.

  112. “You don’t have to like someone exercising their right, but you need to quit bitching when they do.

    Can you spot the irony in what you wrote?”

    Yep. I’ll own it.

    But I still maintain that it’s your own problem that you are intimidated by someone exercising their own right.

    “Sobchak Syndrome: You’re not wrong, you’re just an a**hole.”

    What the fuck are you babbling about anyways?

  113. One thing about this debate–the government is, in many people’s minds (not just professed libertarians’) usurping power it doesn’t have. In that sense, the guns might be appropriate. I’m not sure they’re helping, because the weapons may make the protesters look like something they’re not and help the media and the left spin this as militia crap, but I don’t completely object, either. Maybe a small, nonviolent show of force by citizenry isn’t a bad idea from time to time.

  114. Maybe a small, nonviolent show of force by citizenry isn’t a bad idea from time to time.

    FTFY

  115. Ironic, isn’t it, that in the whole freaking world, Canadians are the only ones who are mistaken for Americans when they travel outside their country.

  116. Not a good idea to carry openly (I am assuming unloaded) at a presidential rally, due to current social mores.

    However. I am guessing if the man(men) doing this were in any violation of the law, then the local authorities would have had words with them. Several, probably.

    I’m not a gun-nut, per se (only own a .22LR rifle), but am — amused, I gues is the word — by many people’s alarm at seeing a fellow, law-abiding citizen carrying a firearm in accordance with the laws of the land.

    I think it has something to do with the individual’s fear of guns. That’s one reason why I bought one — to rid myself of the fear.

  117. Joey Dionne:
    The KKK took my health care awa-ay
    They took it awa-ay
    Away from me-ee!

  118. “However. I am guessing if the man(men) doing this were in any violation of the law, then the local authorities would have had words with them. Several, probably.”

    Yes, he was acting in accordance with local law, which has been the point of many of us. However, I’d wager that the weapon was loaded. Most who exercise their right to carry a firearm tend to have it ready to fire. It doesn’t do a lot of good otherwise 😉

  119. bigbigslacker,

    Who are you, Thomas Jefferson?

  120. Highnumber’s definition of Sobchak Syndome: Someone exercising their rights without reference to whether it hurts his meaningless and worthless fucking feelings.

  121. “Highnumber’s definition of Sobchak Syndome: Someone exercising their rights without reference to whether it hurts his meaningless and worthless fucking feelings.”

    Thanks. In which case, I respond to this comment:

    “Sobchak Syndrome: You’re not wrong, you’re just an a**hole.”

    With a: Actually, you’ve firgured me all wrong. I think you’re wrong…and you’re an asshole.

    Things clearer for you? 😉

  122. You’re just proving my point.
    My feelings haven’t been hurt. Showing at rallies or meetings with guns may be within your rights, but it won’t win anyone to your side.

  123. We’re libertarians, baby. We don’t care about winning anyone to our side.

  124. “Showing at rallies or meetings with guns may be within your rights, but it won’t win anyone to your side.”

    So? What do you care if we win people to our side or not?

    I also don’t think it’ll cost us people coming over either. Those who are wetting their pants about guns at these things aren’t likely to ever come over anyways.

  125. Not a good idea to carry openly (I am assuming unloaded) at a presidential rally, due to current social mores.

    I assure anyone who is carrying is carrying loaded. Why carry an unloaded gun?

  126. “We’re libertarians, baby. We don’t care about winning anyone to our side.”

    QFT

  127. to criticize Dionne you have to at least try to understand what he’s saying, and Welch apparently does not.

    vanya, Dionne didn’t say “brownshirts,” he said “jackboot.” You’re right that the former has a connotation of vigilante mobs, and I’m right that the latter has the connotation of official armed goons of a totalitarian state.

  128. Looking in the WP at a few of the comments on Dionne’s article, the thing that makes me laugh is how all those liberals suddenly declare that they’re life-long gun owners. Welcome out of the closet!

    Kinda reminds me of a (genuine) racist piously declaring, “Some of my best friends are black!”

  129. Our Liberty is defended by three boxes:
    The Ballot box,
    The Jury box, and
    The Cartridge box.

  130. “Showing at rallies or meetings with guns exercising your first amendment rights may be within your rights, but it won’t win anyone to your side.”

    I love the innertubes.

  131. I’m not a gun-nut, per se (only own a .22LR rifle), but am — amused, I gues is the word — by many people’s alarm at seeing a fellow, law-abiding citizen carrying a firearm in accordance with the laws of the land.

    Next thing you know, people will be speaking or assembling in public. Saying things they want… whatever they want. No limits, no regulations. They might even mention a candidate’s name within 60 days of an election. The horror…the horror.

  132. However, I’d wager that the weapon was loaded. Most who exercise their right to carry a firearm tend to have it ready to fire. It doesn’t do a lot of good otherwise 😉

    Wrong-o Mary Lou. While I agree it is most likely loaded, as the local brigand and criminal, I’m not going to test that theory. I’ll wait for someone not carrying a pistol on his or her side to victimize. Much less of a gamble that way.

  133. Our Liberty is defended by three boxes:
    The Ballot box,
    The Jury box, and
    The Cartridge box.

    Actually four boxes. Insert ‘soap box’ right in before Ballot box.

  134. A lot of libertarians have serious trouble distinguishing between what you should the right to do and what you should do.

    Liberals have serious trouble distinguishing between what you have a constitutional right to do and what they’re going to allow you to do if they’re in office.

  135. The liberals are big on pushing hate speech legislation and yet they are the biggest offenders of practicing hate speech. Total Hypocrisy

  136. Thanks, you shit eating maggots.

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