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The American Beverage Institute (ABI) is highlighting what might otherwise have been an obscure comment by Nancy Raynor, president of the Delaware chapter of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, about President Obama's "beer summit" with Henry Louis Gates and James Crowley. According to WDEL, a Wilmington radio station, Raynor "is concerned about what teens and children take away from seeing the president drinking on TV." In an interview with the station over the weekend, Raynor explained that "it's a well-known fact that young people tend to mimic the actions that they see of the adults." As the ABI says, the comment is notable not just because of the absurd implication that all activities deemed inappropriate for children to engage in should be hidden from their view (presumably including driving, using credit cards, and cooking with gas) but also because it reflects MADD's slide from opposing drunk driving to opposing drinking in general. That tendency, illustrated by its support for criminalizing ever-lower blood alcohol levels in drivers and its argument that questioning the current drinking age is irresponsibe, led the group's founder to denounce it as "very neo-prohibitionist." It's fitting, then, that Raynor's reaction to the "beer summit" makes MADD sound just like the Woman's Christian Temperance Union, whose president expressed disappointment with the president's drink choiceβ€”not because Bud Light is a crappy beer but because "there are so many other beverages he could have chosen that would have served just as well," such as lemonade or iced tea. 

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  1. I expect an avalanche of commentary from the liberal side of the house denouncing you for mocking the lifestyle choice the temperate make.

    Yep, any second now...

  2. STFU, Carrie Nation.

    -jcr

  3. Scratchy: Lemonade?
    Itchy: Please.
    Scratchy: I made it just for you.
    Itchy: You are my best friend.

    Itchy: Mm, this really hits the spot.
    Scratchy: Doesn't it, though.
    Itchy: You make really good lemonade, Scratchy.
    Scratchy: Oh, thank you, Itchy.

  4. TAO, folks are welcome to all the temperance they want. I count two teetotalers among my friends and family. One of those was a college buddy.

    But these rules apply:

    * Don't bore me about it, and certainly don't try try to tell me not to drink. (My more temperate friends are allowed one (and only one) "I told you so." on those rare occasions that I'm hung over.)

    * Shut the fuck up about adults handling alcohol responsibly in public. It is better for the damn chiilldddrreenn to see people handling booze responsibly than not.

  5. I don't force the temperate to drink; they're dicks if they try and force me not to. Fuck MADD, yo.

  6. I've had parents of teenagers tell me most emphatically that the acceptibility of BJs in modern teens is because of Bill Clinton. The kids took it to heart that a BJ isn't sex. Or something like that.

  7. Temperance is fine for the common man, [puts boot on fender] but the Ubermensch needs something to get him through the day [leans down and rubber stamps a fetal pig with "compassion"]. That's why I snort cococaine [lifts a small mirror from shirt pocket]. It's clean going up, and smooth all day [leans down below camera view, *snooort*, leans up and smiles]. And it keeps me going all night, too [collage of fine dining, chosing wine, riding the tilt-a-whirl, critiquing modern art, and screwing two broads at once while flexing in a full-length mirror at himself].

    [chorus over five quickly flashing screens of disclaimers: "La coca vida!"]

    [A small brown man wearing a fedora leads a mule up a sharp incline, turns around and mutters "es bien".]

  8. I read 4 lines. Stupid people are robbing cute kittens of vital oxygen. They should be stopped. This vile woman should be stopped from robbing cute kittens.

    stupid people

  9. Obama: "Hey, at least we didn't do lines of coke."

  10. What is this need to destroy all the pleasure in life? Well, except, of course, the pleasure some find in destroying the pleasures of others.

  11. Putting a stop to this type of authoritarian bullshit is why I voted for President Obama!

  12. MADD is a bunch of sexually-repressed biddies.

  13. I wonder if Obama drinks fluoridated water?

  14. I've been a wild rover for many a year...And it's noooo naaay never...

    I'm all for temperance, as long as we can make fun songs to get drunk to and make fun of temperance.

  15. Putting a stop to this type of authoritarian bullshit is why I voted for President Obama!

    Oh God, my sides!

  16. you guys, stop! The liberals are going to be very upset with you for mocking lifestyle choices! See also: organic food.

  17. I bet Bud Lite isn't made from organically produced ingredients.

  18. Is Bud Light even based on carbon chemistry? Is it, in the strictest sense, organic at all?

  19. I'm pretty sure urine's organic, Sweet'n'Low.

  20. If the beer summit ended in a drunken brawl or someone crashed a car after attending, then MADD would have something to biatch about. Sit down & STFU MADD, your BS is getting really, really, really old.

    /Yes, really.

  21. oh jesus, let's not have this devolve into a beer snob thread again. you guys are fuckin' insufferable about that shit.

  22. If the beer summit ended in a drunken brawl or someone crashed a car after attending, then i would consider it a worthwhile use of my tax dollars.

  23. I want to have been a fly on the wall during the meeting where Obama's staff decided that he would be drinking Bud Lite. That must be some fascinating shit.

  24. There was a big deal about rice and genetic altered crops here in MO since AB bought most of MO's rice crop.

  25. Go cry in your PBR, TAO.

  26. Oh, right, it is Bud Light. Been away from the cheap brew for too long, I guess.

    Bud Light doesn't include the "This is the famous Budweiser beer" bit, does it? Wonder why? That statement does refer to "natural" ingredients or something along those lines.

    Episiarch,

    I'd bet a considerable sum that Obama made the decision, then as he walked out of the room, his staff all held their hands up to their foreheads, making the letter "L" with their fingers.

  27. I'll laugh into the next time some dude sits by me at the bar and demands Stone-Smoked Arrogant Bastard Ale on tap. How fuckin' tone deaf do beer snobs have to be before they realize we're all laughing at you?

  28. Heineken? Fuck that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!

  29. oh jesus, let's not have this devolve into a beer snob thread again. you guys are fuckin' insufferable about that shit.

    *writes TAO's name in little black book to be handed to authorities after the coup.*

  30. TAO drinks white zinfandel with ice cubes in it.

  31. Putting a stop to this type of authoritarian bullshit is why I voted for President Obama!

    Me too! I knew that as soon as Barrak was elected all the state meddling in my life would end.

  32. Yeah, i wasn't trying to denigrate the Blue Ribbon in any way, though the phase of my life when Pabst was important to me is mercifully over.

  33. Schlitz ....

    One of the first "dirty" jokes someone told me as an impressionable youth was "they had to stop serving beer at the beach, because the girls were getting sand in their Schlitz"

    One of my boy scout leaders told me that one when I was 12 or 13. Time have changed.

  34. If it doesn't make you paint yourself blue and run screaming, naked, into combat, then it ain't beer.

  35. If it doesn't make you paint yourself blue and run screaming, naked, into combat, then it ain't beer.

    Does naked and running down the street count? Maybe charging a trash can or tow?

  36. Bud Light

    Ingredients: Water, water, high fructose rice syrup, bisodium transbarleymaltimate, vaginal yeast, hoplitoid extract, water, existential despair, dog ass (artificial), marketing plan (preservative)

  37. "there are so many other beverages he could have chosen that would have served just as well," such as lemonade or iced tea.

    As in, Mike's Hard or Long Island, respectively?

  38. I bet Bud Lite isn't made from organically produced ingredients.

    It is made by a foreign owned company.

    Why aren't the proectionists (Buy American!) weighing in on this debate fart in a whirlwind.

  39. guys, I am gonna tell you, I would rather hang out with Bud Light drinkers than someone who just insists on yelling "CAT PISS" at every cup of Bud Light in the vicinity.

    We get. You're snobs. Get over yourselves.

  40. Bud Lite... Really? Reeeeeeeeally?

  41. Jeez, TAO, who peed in your Bud Light (which you then did not notice because they are really the same substance)?

  42. I've heard of ping pong diplomacy, will we see beer pong diplomacy?

  43. Give me some PBR and a well done steak with ketchup. That's good eatin'.

  44. Euler, that's Hunt's instead of Heinz, right?

  45. er, yeah, Bud Light knows what it is, but Sam Adams has a fever...and the only prescription...is more HOPS!

    oh yeah, and pretending not to be a major brewer while being a major brewer.

  46. Xeones,

    Whatever comes in the packets he steals from Arby's.

  47. "Fancy Catsup"

  48. I note that TAO has not denied drinking white zinfandel (or possibly a Chardonnay) with ice cubes, which of course means it's true. I KNEW IT.

  49. How about teaching kids that one beer isn't gonna kill them? They're gonna find out sooner or later, and good luck getting them to listen to you after they've learned that you're a bunch of fucking liars. I'm looking at you too, DARE.

  50. guys, I am gonna tell you, I would rather hang out with Bud Light drinkers than someone who just insists on yelling "CAT PISS" at every cup of Bud Light in the vicinity.

    No need to yell, TAO. A simple sniff of disdain as you pee in the cup is sufficient to get the point across.

  51. How fuckin' tone deaf do beer snobs have to be before they realize we're all laughing at you?

    If I stopped doing things that made other people laugh at me all I'd do is go to work, come home, go to sleep, wake up, and repeat.

    And just for you, TAO, I'll note that Arrogant Bastard is so 2006. Extreme hops are out; extreme sours are in. Get yourself some Russian River Beatification and suck on that.

  52. We need a national teaching moment on beer profiling. Just because someone drinks Bud Light doesn't make him a wimp. Maybe his taste buds were burned off with battery acid as a child. Maybe he likes those Super Bowl ads with horses fetching sticks. Maybe he just enjoys the 36 hours of flatulence afterward (and buys carbon offsets for the resulting atmospheric methane increase). The point is, don't judge.

  53. oh Christ, the snobs are out-snobbing each other. It's like when the left eats itself, only way less entertaining.

    note that TAO has not denied drinking white zinfandel (or possibly a Chardonnay) with ice cubes

    Sir,

    I just learned how to file a brief in school. You have been WARNED!

    Sincerely,

    TAO

  54. woah, who's the wimp here, Tulpa? Someone who just insists that he has to wear the beer version of Jimmy Choos, or someone who is happy with beer regardless?

    you guys are actually the gays of the beer-drinking world.

  55. guys, I am gonna tell you, I would rather hang out with Bud Light drinkers than someone who just insists on yelling "CAT PISS" at every cup of Bud Light in the vicinity.

    I have to agree with Mr. Optomist on this one.

    Unless people are mocking Coors Light. Coors Light deserves to be mocked, always!

    True story: My friend and I went into a liquor store and my friend asked the guy at the counter where the Coors Light is, guy at counter points to water fountain and say's: "May as well just drink that. There isn't any difference but the price." My Coors Light drinking friend was offended while I couldn't stop laughing.

  56. Your mom is the gays of the beer-drinking world, TAO.

  57. How about teaching kids that one beer isn't gonna kill them? They're gonna find out sooner or later, and good luck getting them to listen to you after they've learned that you're a bunch of fucking liars. I'm looking at you too, DARE.

    Now how is that gonna get prohibitionist minded people to send them money?

  58. I wonder if they considered the carbon footprint of those beers. Beer: organic, seasonal and local!!

    And I think AO drinks Sutter Home Cab with ice cubes in it.

  59. Heineken? Fuck that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!

    ....Ceann?

  60. john, you drink grey goose.

    oooh, burn. πŸ˜›

  61. You really know how to hit a guy where it hurts AO.

  62. I think someone here drinks Zima.

  63. when I started really hitting booze hard at the ripe ol' age of 18, I was drinking Zimas in between shots of Jager.

    Thinking about that is like looking back at an old photo of someone in a leisure suit. Seemed like a good idea at the time...

  64. My redneck NRA lifetime member union welder brother drinks Zima. It just doesn't quite fit. But he is older and a lot bigger than I am and owns a large number of handguns, so I leave it alone.

  65. I agree with Tony @ 4:47pm.

    I'll be in the shower. Lye soap and steel wool will m=ake me feel clean again. Maybe.

  66. I can remember buying two cases of Keystone every Sunday night to drink during the week. Since it was only $7 a case, it seemed like such a good idea at the time.

  67. J sub D,

    Tony occasionally makes a good point and then laughs uncontrollably at the thought of how dirty everyone must feel.

  68. I think someone here drinks Zima.

    Probably TAO. It's okay, we're not judging him for it.

    We're mocking. It's way more fun.

  69. Just remember, John, that Tony is all mad about DARE lying to us, but he wants to give the people who run that program purview over the nation's healthcare.

  70. woah, who's the wimp here, Tulpa?

    Whatever man, I was defending your side. I gave several reasons why a non-wimp could like Bud Light. Not very flattering reasons, true, but reasons nonetheless.

    you guys are actually the gays of the beer-drinking world.

    That's true in a sense. I do tend to be attracted to people of my own beer preference.

  71. "there are so many other beverages he could have chosen that would have served just as well," such as lemonade or iced tea.

    Tulpa, you beat me to it.

    Kool-Aid, perhaps?

  72. Probably TAO. It's okay, we're not judging him for it.

    We're mocking. It's way more fun.

    Pfft. Listen here, Sally - I may have started on Zima, but at least I do not continue acting like a spoiled child when alcohol doesn't taste as good as candy.

    Cannot say the same thing about the beer snobs. πŸ˜€

  73. when I started really hitting booze hard at the ripe ol' age of 18, I was drinking Zimas in between shots of Jager.

    Jesus, I wasn't going to make fun of you that badly--I stuck with the zinfandel--and then here you go and do it to yourself even worse.

    You need to do a version of "My New Haircut" but drinking Zima Jagerbombs instead of Heineken.

  74. "there are so many other beverages he could have chosen that would have served just as well," such as lemonade or iced tea.

    Such as malt liquor. Yo! Brother need to get with the Bull!

  75. I note that TAO has not denied drinking white zinfandel (or possibly a Chardonnay) with ice cubes, which of course means it's true. I KNEW IT.

    I heard he's run up hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to keep the documents that prove it suppressed. πŸ™‚

    While it's not to my taste, I'll not knock anyone drinking Bud or most other American light beers. In fact my utility beer is Natural Lite.

    But, seriously, folks, Becks Light is foul.

  76. Jesus, I wasn't going to make fun of you that badly--I stuck with the zinfandel--and then here you go and do it to yourself even worse.

    You will note that I said "when", not that I continue with such vile habits. Like I said, I recognize that alcohol has "utility" - beer snobs think that beer exists, what, for pleasure? - beer isn't the snob hill to die on. Wine is.

  77. Pfft. Listen here, Sally - I may have started on Zima, but at least I do not continue acting like a spoiled child when alcohol doesn't taste as good as candy.

    I ain't trick or treating at your house if you think an over-hopped IPA tastes like candy.

    But I've been known to go pick up a six-pack of Mickey's big mouths and drink 'em just for nostalgia purposes, so what do I know?

  78. OMG, that was Tony saying something that made sense at 4:47? I'd better get right with God quick, because I think the Second Coming is at hand.

  79. Honestly,

    One of the things that bugs me most about Obama is that he is one of the whitest guys on the planet. I wish we had a real black President. One that listens to hip hop and isn't afraid to bust out a 45 in public. I may not always agree with his policies, but at least I would have a President I wouldn't mind hanging around with.

  80. I once sat next to an extremely fat man who drank Miller Lite with ice cubes in it. His t-shirt had AR-15s on the back of it. That is all.

  81. Make that a Colt 45 as in malt liquer.

  82. Im going to a beer fest this weekend (ClubMedsux, I will be sending you beer mail sometime).

    I will be wearing a t-shirt with pictures of brewing equipment on it and the phrase

    THESE MACHINES KILL FASCISTS

    I may mean something different by it that the Obama-supporting, socialist brewer who gave me the shirt, but then again, maybe not. πŸ™‚

    We may both mean Nancy Raynor.

  83. Back when the Wilson sisters were both skinny, my drink of choice was dictated by the intended outcome. If I was gonna shoot pool and get to a state of lip-walking, I drank cheap beer by the pitcher. If was was trolling for a skank with a predisposition for contortionism, I drank Walker black label. After a few 50cent well drinks of course. The snobbier the drink, the better the big hair to small butt proportions seem to turn out.

  84. well, not directly like candy, T, but, I am just saying, beer snobs are the equivalent of five-year-olds pushing at their brussels sprouts. "EH! IT'S GROSS! I want ice cream more sour mash/hops!"

  85. Beer is like pizza and sex: there's good beer, and there's really good beer.

  86. beer isn't the snob hill to die on. Wine is.

    I bid: Brunello di Montalcino Riserva . . .

  87. TAO, meh, snobs are snobs. Whether it's beer or god or cars or sex toys. Insufferable blowhards the lot of em.

  88. Beer is like pizza and sex: there's good beer, and there's really good beer.

    Hear hear, Squire Warty.

    Somedays I wonder about self-proclaimed experts: why do they have to be so disdainful of your Average Joe?

  89. As I said before, Obama lost a teaching opportunity when he didn't line up shots of tequila. Then insist on piloting Air Force One while tanked.

    Which, incidentally, is the true explanation for why the plane flew over NYC, freaking out all of the natives.

  90. Being a wine snob is really hard. There are so many different kinds of wine and it changes every year by vintage. A true wine snob will tell you that that 05 St. Emillion is just gosh. What you really want is the 01. Being a beer snob is exponentially easier since you St. Anky IPA is still a St. Anky IPA regardless of the year it was made.

  91. Somedays I wonder about self-proclaimed experts: why do they have to be so disdainful of your Average Joe?

    I'm pretty tolerant of the beer I drink, so I can't claim to be any type of beer snob, but there just isn't any excuse for light beer, especially of the Bud and Miller variety. Life's too short to be drinking light swill.

  92. Snobbery is trying to make others feel bad for not being as obsessed with something as you are. Nothing wrong with appreciating the art of beer making. Snobbery is always wrong in any context.

    Of course being obsessed with not being a snob (being a regular Joe) and condemning others for their passions is just another form of snobbery.

  93. Being a wine snob is really hard.

    Dat's why you gotta have a really good relationship with da guy down at da vino shop.

  94. OMG Tony said something else I agree with.

  95. Beer is like pizza and sex: there's good beer, and there's really good beer.

    To those of us who've eaten pizza with anchovies and fat girls fresh off the elliptical machine, you're not helping your case with that analogy.

  96. So, Tony, what the fuck? Are we just supposed to all sit around here and say "On you're right! And I'm right too!"

    What the fuck fun would that be?

  97. I'm pretty tolerant of the beer I drink, so I can't claim to be any type of beer snob, but there just isn't any excuse for light beer, especially of the Bud and Miller variety. Life's too short to be drinking light swill.

    Hear, hear! Light beer is an abomination in the eyes of god and right-thinking people everywhere.

  98. Somedays I wonder about self-proclaimed experts: why do they have to be so disdainful of your Average Joe?

    Shouldn't this question be addressed to Congress?

    If you can't take beer choice insults, get off the internet. Sheesh.

  99. right back at you, Russ. How is it that it's permissible to launch insults at Bud Light drinkers, but not at haters of Bud Light drinkers?

    And you should realize this is all deeply unserious πŸ™‚

  100. Now, if Tony could only make the leap from condemning elitist pretensions when it comes to beer, to condemning elitist pretensions when it comes to governance. . . .

  101. Snobs of any variety are pretty hard to live with, but do not disdain real expertise.

    If you go out to eat with a proper wine aficionado, then for glod's sake let them order the wine. You don't need a specially trained palate to appreciate a good wine and you won't regret it.

    /those twenty minutes watching a friend consult the sommelier at the King's Arms were worth it.

  102. First, regarding PL's comment on Tequila, I think this is appropriate:

    http://xkcd.com/617/

    Second, Obama almost had to drink Bud Light. Imagine if the the white cop had ordered a Bud Light and Obama had ordered some sort of fancy beer. We'd never hear the end of it (as joe pointed out in a comment elsewhere).

  103. "Somedays I wonder about self-proclaimed experts: why do they have to be so disdainful of your Average Joe?"

    TAO: Only disdainful when we find out that average Joe is a racist, moronic, homophobic wanker (see Joe the Plumber).

  104. Please, allow me to order the beer. Bi?relier, come here. Yes, we'd like the 1989 Stone Imperial Russian Stout, served at precisely 55?. Please allow it to breathe for several minutes before serving. And, for the love of God, don't serve it in a mug.

    Anyone think Obama really drinks Bud?

  105. I'd pay money to have seen the staff meeting on what beer the president should be perceived as drinking. I bet studies were commissioned.

  106. Pro Lib, yes, I think he really drinks bud light.

  107. I'd pay money to have seen the staff meeting on what beer the president should be perceived as drinking. I bet studies were commissioned.

    I second that.

  108. PL - brilliant, sir. Beer is for drinking; wine is for savoring. And drinking.

  109. No love for Pearl Light?

  110. Nah, if he really drinks workin' man brew, it'd likely be Old Style or Miller.

    Good wine is nice, but the determination of what is actually good often gets buried in preconceptions about what should be good.

  111. Second, Obama almost had to drink Bud Light. Imagine if the the white cop had ordered a Bud Light and Obama had ordered some sort of fancy beer. We'd never hear the end of it (as joe pointed out in a comment elsewhere).

    He could have chosen Coors -- made by an American Company -- rather than the foreign owned InBev's Budweiser.

    Thankfully Fox & Friends was there to not let this travesty of non-patriotic beer choice go unnoticed.

  112. CT,

    He should've had something shipped from Chicago. There must be some local microbrewery stuff specially made for Oktoberfest. Instead, he opted for cheap swill from Belgium ?

  113. Second, Obama almost had to drink Bud Light.

    Yeah, God forbid he just drink whatever he likes to drink, ensuing idiotic media kerfuffle be damned.

  114. Corona Light

    Fuck you.

  115. If I'm ever president, by golly I'll drink whatever I want to drink, even if my selection will be in the public eye.

    President Libertate to his staff: "Yes, this is a teaching moment for America. Me and the two assholes will split a bottle of Maker's Mark. After which, I'll encourage them both to drive to the airport drunk, then make an anonymous call to the D.C. police."

  116. Yeah, God forbid he just drink whatever he likes to drink, ensuing idiotic media kerfuffle be damned.

    He chose to take a job where idiotic media kerfuffles actually sort of matter.

    Which is why I have no respect for anybody who chooses to take that job.

  117. I'm a half-assed beer snob. Half good beers and the other half of the time I buy Bud, Miller, Old Pile, whatever. What really gets my beer snob superiority complex going is the occasion when I show up somewhere with a 6 pack of MGD and some hillbilly holding a bottle of Bud tells me what a shitty beer I'm drinking. I may say, "yeah, it was on sale", but inside I'm laughing my ass off. I'm far too sophisticated to laugh externally.

  118. He should've had something shipped from Chicago. There must be some local microbrewery stuff specially made for Oktoberfest. Instead, he opted for cheap swill from Belgium

    Goose Island Baby

  119. He should've had something shipped from Chicago. There must be some local microbrewery stuff

    When I was there in the mid '90s the America's Brewery (or somesuch) in Aurora made a particularly nice stout...

  120. Yeah, God forbid he just drink whatever he likes to drink, ensuing idiotic media kerfuffle be damned.

    I'm with RC Dean on this. If a media outlet wants to go after you, it will find a reason no matter how hard you try to head it off.

    Granted, he has stated that he likes Budweiser -- so maybe he did just drink what he likes. But I have to believe that he the media considerations play a part in any type of decision, and it would be more courageous to just drink what you want and not give a shit of someone tries to make a big deal about something so trivial.

  121. Nancy Raynor is a CUNT.

  122. Snobs of any variety are pretty hard to live with, but do not disdain real expertise.

    Business dinner with two guys from our French subsidiary -- it took them 20 to 30 minutes to pick the wine, but it was worth it.

  123. Ah, that would've been acceptable. It sounds familiar to me--I may have had some during my Chicago days.

    What I could not forgive Obama is a Kahlua-based drink, or something frou-frou with a umbrella in it. Unless it was a jigger of bourbon straight up with an umbrella. I don't know why he'd do that, but I could live with it.

  124. Good wine is nice, but the determination of what is actually good often gets buried in preconceptions about what should be good.

    The best way to learn what is good is to drink a lot of wine.

  125. "realize we're all laughing at you?"

    "We" being people with abominable taste in beer? Well then, who cares?

  126. I wanted to see some beer bong action. Maybe a drinking game. Hell a lil BBQ woulda been sweet. Maybe Gates coulda hooked up some extra credit for a few Harvard chickies to show up.

    Since none of that occurred who gives a fuck.

  127. I wonder if they played Quarters?

  128. ChicagoTom,

    Coors is Canadian.

    MolsonCoors now.

  129. I played quarters once in Mississippi with a 54 qt cooler full of whoop-juice and a pint jar. What a bad idea that turned out to be.

  130. "We" being people with abominable taste in beer?

    Abominable? Subjective. Tolerant? Definitely. Snobs will be snobs - ignorant people laugh at snobs.

  131. ha! tolerant people laugh at snobs. Guess I just invoked RC's and joez law of teh internets.

  132. "I've had parents of teenagers tell me most emphatically that the acceptibility of BJs in modern teens is because of Bill Clinton."

    If that's true, he rockets straight to number one in my ranking of Presidents.

    "If the beer summit ended in a drunken brawl"

    Obama would have rocketed straight up to number two behind Bill.

  133. KInda makes you want to show up at a MADD rally (er, sorry, meeting) with a hip flask.

  134. This is a good example of how the attitude of the American people toward the office of President has warped into cult worship. As if it fucking matters that he drank a beer, or what kind.

    Don't want your kids to pick up his bad habits? Then stop teaching them that he's something special, over and above other people, someone to be imitated.

  135. Now I'm racking my brain cell trying to remember if I've ever heard the story in the baptist church about Jesus turning water into wine.

  136. Now, if Tony could only make the leap from condemning elitist pretensions when it comes to beer, to condemning elitist pretensions when it comes to governance. . . .

    Like Reaganomics and the rest of your so-called libertarian tripe that has infected it oh these long years? Gladly! Elitist because all the benefits went to elites. Pretentious in that it pretends to be morally laudable.

  137. Sorry, it was getting a little lovey-dovey in here.

    By the way I usually take a fuller's porter or something gay and belgian. Does that make me elitist or a rank amateur?

  138. Go cry in your PBR, TAO.

    PBR is way to hipster for anyone decrying snobbishness.

  139. hmm | August 3, 2009, 7:05pm | #
    I wonder if this guy gets a beer summit

    Why I am not a Christian.

  140. Raynor explained that "it's a well-known fact that young people tend to mimic the actions that they see of the adults."

    She went on to explain that most adults were children once.

  141. lol @ Strike through.

    Oh, this thread is awesome. Towing Lions, tigers of temperance, and beers, Oh my!

  142. Bud Light knows what it is, but Sam Adams has a fever...and the only prescription...is more HOPS!

    Reminds me of the Pepsi song. It consists of puns about how all other beverages let him down: "When Samuel Adams makes me ale [`Ail', get it?] and Dr. Pepper's not around....When Constant Comment won't shut up...." And the refrain is how his Pepsi Cola always refreshes him.

  143. He could have chosen Coors -- made by an American Company

    Nope. Obama's union goon backers hate Coors with a passion.

    -jcr

  144. Like Reaganomics and the rest of your so-called libertarian tripe that has infected it oh these long years? Gladly! Elitist because all the benefits went to elites. Pretentious in that it pretends to be morally laudable.

    I see Tony isn't quite ready to make the leap.

    Tell me, Tony, who is benefiting from the AIG bailout? The bank bailout? Could it be. . . . elites? Could anything be more pretentious, in your terms, than the entire Obama ouvre of high-minded moral double-talk, combined with backroom bloody-knuckles Chicago machine politics?

  145. Could anything be more pretentious, in your terms, than the entire Obama ouvre of high-minded moral double-talk, combined with backroom bloody-knuckles Chicago machine politics?

    Obama is a Magritte painting come to life:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

  146. robc | August 3, 2009, 6:49pm | #
    ChicagoTom,

    Coors is Canadian.

    MolsonCoors now.

    Ah, I see your correction, and up you one!

    MolsonCoors's US operations are now merged with SABMiller's - as of July 2008... Known as MillerCoors

    http://www.millercoors.com/AgeVerification.aspx

    So Coors could be considered South African if you want to quibble.

    Also, a quandry = is Budweiser now Belgian (because ABI HQ is in Leuven)... Or Brazilian?? - Because InBev was created by AmBev (Brazilian) taking out Interbrew... where does the chain of ownership end!!

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