Alcohol

"In a world where dark wizards are kidnapping or killing people on a regular basis, a little under-age drinking is the least of their problems."

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The New York Times' Tara Parker-Pope has a very silly article fretting about a few scenes in the new Harry Potter movie where "the young wizards and their adult professors are seen sipping, gulping and pouring various forms of alcohol to calm their nerves, fortify their courage or comfort their sorrows." The horrors! But wait, it gets worse:

In one scene, Harry, Ron and Hermione order butterbeers at the pub, and Hermione ends up with a frothy mustache. While it's never been entirely clear whether butterbeer is alcoholic, it seems to have an effect on the normally uptight Hermione, who acts tipsy walking home as she throws her arms around the boys.

As the mother of a 10-year-old Harry Potter fan, I was taken aback by the reaction of the young people in the theater. They snickered at Hermione's goofy grin and, later, guffawed when an inebriated Hagrid passed out. While I don't think my daughter fully understood what was going on, I wondered how other parents, educators and addiction experts would react.

Goodness gracious, what vile evils will our children face next? Let's just hope Parker-Pope's 10-year-old doesn't get wind of President Obama boozing it up at the White House with Sgt. Crowley and Professor Gates.

Reason on liquid courage here.

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  1. I’m surprised Krugman hasn’t blamed Voldelmort’s killing on the wizarding world’s gold standard.

  2. I think the real question is, does Harry take performance-enhancing drugs to improve his Quiddich game?

  3. Not being up on all aspects of English culture, don’t the Brits allow their yutes to drink earlier than ours? Somebody might want to untwist her panties and remember the rest of the world doesn’t share America’s puritanical obsession about drinking.

    Or she could, I dunno, remember it’s fiction. Whichever seems easiest.

  4. The same puritanical American parents will gladly give their kids Nyquil.

  5. In one scene, Harry, Ron and Hermione order butterbeers at the pub, and Hermione ends up with a frothy mustache.

    Did they order ButterBurgers? to go with their butterbeers?

  6. isn’t Hogwarts a private school?
    isn’t the Order of the Phoenix a militia? .. and Dumbledore’s army an anti-govt youth gang?

    isn’t Gringotts basically UBS?

  7. I don’t mean to legitimize the moronic premise of Parker-Pope’s story by focusing on her claims about the movie plot, but my impression was that Hermione got a bit tipsy because Prof. Slughorn had spilled a bunch of his drink into her glass, not from the effects of the butterbeer.

  8. “In one scene, Harry, Ron and Hermione order butterbeers at the pub, and Hermione ends up with a frothy mustache.”

    Why is the word beerkake suddenly in my mind?

  9. Harry Potter series has to be some of the most libertarian literature that has actually managed to reach a wide audience… the ministry of Magic basically alternates between bumbling incompetence and criminal overreaction… one of the most important lessosn of the books is that the End does not justify the Means… and rebellion against authority is constantly there..

  10. Butterbeers, that’s nothing. In G-Force, the guinea pigs eat meth so they can stay up all night kicking ass.

  11. “Hermione got a bit tipsy because Prof. Slughorn had spilled a bunch of his drink into her glass, not from the effects of the butterbeer.”

    Hey, now. Don’t let facts get in the way of a parent proclaiming how morally they are raising their child, and how upset she is that other people aren’t following a strict moral code. When you are making a point about morals, it doesn’t matter if you are wrong or right. Its the tone of the declaration that matters.

  12. Why is the word beerkake suddenly in my mind?

    You’ve been hanging out with SugarFree too much.

  13. Anyone who’s read the 4th book knows that butter beer only gets house elves drunk. Its more like ginger beer or root beer than anything else. A little investigation on the author’s part might have made for a better article. Furthermore she neglects all of Disney’s depictions of similar behavior, including a famous song and dance number featuring a drunken Dumbo.

  14. I have fond memories of when Harry Potter exploded down here. The Southern Baptists were having a shit hemmhorage over all that satanical majic stuff.

  15. Oh, and you spelling nazis can bite me.

  16. Not being up on all aspects of English culture, don’t the Brits allow their yutes to drink earlier than ours? Somebody might want to untwist her panties and remember the rest of the world doesn’t share America’s puritanical obsession about drinking.

    Yeah, the legal age for beer consumption in the UK is 15. That pic was taken at the actresses sixteenth birthday party if I recall, and it caused a small stir with the soccer moms. Not that a retarded cultural imperialist raised on Dateline like Tara Parker-Pope would understand that the rest of us don’t have to give a damn what her repressed wee ones would find impressionable.

  17. Don’t let facts get in the way of a parent

    The shorter version is as least as accurate.

  18. This shouldn’t surprise anyone at Reason since a culture of prohibition requires falsehoods to sustain itself. If anything is allowed to creep into the mainstream depicting those falsehoods as false, that undermines the entire system.

    To the prohibitionists, the biggest problem with the depiction of drinking by teens in Harry Potter is that it’s consequence-free. You know, the way MOST drinking is. If Hermione got pregnant and dropped out of school because she got date-raped when drunk, and if Harry wrapped his broom around a pole after having a single sip of near-beer, they’d be fine with it. It’s precisely the fact that they do a small amount of drinking and then don’t have their lives ended and destroyed that freaks these people out.

    The prohibition culture requires that the fiction be maintained that any interaction of teens and alcohol will lead to horrific results. Even though most of the time it’s no big deal, we all have to agree never to mention the fact that most of the time it’s no big deal, or we’re “irresponsible”.

  19. “Oh, and you spelling nazis can bite me.”

    What made you think we needed your permission, Herr B?

  20. If Hermione got pregnant and dropped out of school because she got date-raped when drunk, and if Harry or wrapped his her broom around a pole after having a single sip of near-beer,

    Sorry. Couldn’t resist. I blame SugarFree.

  21. Isn’t it 16 in residence and 18-21 outside of a residence for all or most of the UK.

    Didn’t they drink mead in the movie? Not that it matters. Hell a bong scene would have been awesome.

  22. The real scandal is that she’s drinking Corona in the picture. Don’t they have real beer over there in England?

  23. Its legal for minors to drink in the company of their parents in England well below the age of 18. Children can actually drink alcohol that someone else has bought for them, under parental supervision, from the age of 5, though for the child to become drunk could lead to child abuse charges and social services intervention.

    S168 of the Licensing Act 1964 does stipulate in any event that under 14 year olds are not permitted in the bar area of a pub. However, they can themelves buy alcohol to drink with a meal in a licenced restaurant from the age of 16, something I once did in my school uniform.

    In England it is not legal to order alcohol without a meal until the age of 18 in a pub or other licenced premises, whether the intention is to drink on the premises or not.

  24. I know the official mantra is that I can’t comment on something like this because I don’t have kids. But I was a child once myself, and I do remember some of it.

    What I don’t remember is my parents trying frantically to completely insulate me from the realities of the outside world. In fact, they didn’t think of it as an “outside” world–it was just the world. Instead they tried to teach what those realities were, and how to deal with them.

    Now, as I said, I don’t have kids myself. But my parents’ way seems more sensible to me.

  25. I have fond memories of when Harry Potter exploded down…

    For some reason this made me think of the sugarfree cop love post.

  26. S168 of the Licensing Act 1964 does stipulate in any event that under 14 year olds are not permitted in the bar area of a pub.

    Look at you, you have a baby… In a bar.

  27. Thelonious_Nick | July 28, 2009, 12:23pm | #

    The real scandal is that she’s drinking Corona in the picture. Don’t they have real beer over there in England?

    EXACTLY! As a homebrewer I take the consumption of beer/alcohol VERY seriously. I think EVERYONE should do it. And they should do it responsibly…which means no Bud, Coors, The Beast, Corona or any other dog piss that is produced on a scale equivalent to the size of my ego. Only truely good beer should be drank. And in large quantities. I would love to sell to the the teens in my hood. It would at least pay for my habit. And not to brag but my scotch wee heavy (9.2 ABV) was freakin AWESOME!

  28. Its worse than that. Now you can’t even smoke in front of it.

  29. Start your drinking binge now, my Lord.

  30. Its legal for minors to drink in the company of their parents in England well below the age of 18. Children can actually drink alcohol that someone else has bought for them, under parental supervision, from the age of 5, though for the child to become drunk could lead to child abuse charges and social services intervention.

    So, basically, the same as Wisconsin.

  31. The real scandal is that she’s drinking Corona in the picture. Don’t they have real beer over there in England?

    On my last trip to Dublin, I was thoroughly disgusted to see Bud on tap at the local pub — and I’ve seen similar occurances in England.

    Apparently, “import” beers — both American and Mexican — have become quite popular in the isles.

  32. That isnt the famous pic of her I would have posted…oh wait, that one actually fits the article.

    Nevermind.

  33. I understand the UK grocery stores are chock full of white zin and roses too. They get their good wine from the continent and their crap from the US.

  34. ‘Wah! People drinking alcohol hurts my vagina!’

    Her kids should be taken away from that bitch.

  35. The whole series of books is pretty emphatic that the government can’t protect you, will only hamstring you, so you’d better carry a concealed weapon.

    And while we’re on the subject of dishonesty in the service of prohibition: The Most Idiotic Drug Meltdowns On TV.

  36. This is not going to win me any friends, hence the cowardly actions I’m taking to make sure only the editors know my true identity, but the love of the taste of beer is a delusion of the highest order. Aside from the light North American lagers, and some German sweet brews that actually taste good, every specialty beer has tasted like crap in three broadly overlapping categories of crapitude, 1) piss tasting, 2) burnt oats tasting or 3) you have picked up the bottle used to drown the cigarette butts by mistake, and you didn’t notice any significant difference in taste between that and the expensive European import you were sipping. That last event is what freed me from this delusion.

  37. As the mother of a 10-year-old Harry Potter fan, I was taken aback by the reaction of the young people in the theater. They snickered at Hermione’s goofy grin and, later, guffawed when an inebriated Hagrid passed out.

    I remember when I was a kid we took a field trip to a play, and one of the characters was a drunk. All the kids were laughing like crazy, and the parents were appalled that we were being exposed to such debauchery. Somehow, we got over it without all becoming alcoholics.

  38. Otis the town drunk must be banned from television.

  39. anon_regular is a moron.

    And a liar.

    And I wonder how he knows what piss tastes like.

  40. robc | July 28, 2009, 2:32pm | #
    anon_regular is a moron.

    And a liar.

    And I wonder how he knows what piss tastes like.

    Strong overreaction there. Must have hit a nerve. Free your head Robc, dislodge it from the anus of groupthink.

    How do I know? Well, it involves your mother so I’ll be polite and not go into details.

  41. When I was in Jr. High I was in some plays at school and there’s almost always some drunk stumbling around on stage.

    Plus, isn’t that half of what’s really going on in A Streetcar Named Desire?

    Stupid parents.

  42. Goad anon_regular into a few more posts and we’ll be able to do enough of a text analysis to out him.

  43. Haha… Also, I have to jump on the dogpile with anon_regular. When I was younger, and had only been exposed to a limited amount of, often cheap & shitty, beers, I thought the way he did.

    Then I discovered the magic of Hefeweizen with lemon, the smooth creamy texture of a Black & Tan and the refreshing taste of German lagers.

  44. forgot previous clich?
    Everything in moderation
    now on to my new post:

    anon-regular is uninformed about true beer. I do have a hard time disagreeing with him regarding the mass produced equine urine products on the market BUT when ones makes one’s own beer then the true pleasure of rotten grain and the cousin of weed becomes clear. There are more styles of beer than most people would ever realize. The flavor combinations are nearly infinite and the execution of a good recipe is an artform.

    In reference to the Shatner thread – I spit my last bnreath at thee!

    Age does not necesitate wisdom.

  45. “Street Car Named Desire” is an interesting choice for a Junior High production, I’ll grant.

    But that would be the cue, as good as any, to throw in a Simpsons’ reference.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50IWwFn73ls

    Long before the Superdome
    Where the Saints of football play…
    Lived a city that the damned call home
    Hear their hellish rondelet…

    New Orleans!
    Home of pirates, drunks and whores
    New Orleans!
    Tacky overpriced souvenir stores

    If you want to go to hell, you should take a trip
    To the Sodom and Gomorrah of the Mississip’

    New Orleans!
    Stinking, Rotten, vomiting, vile
    New Orleans
    Putrid, brackish, maggotty, foul

    New Orleans!
    Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank
    New Orleans

  46. Are we talking about a movie where witchcraft is the norm??? Potion-making, flying, etc.? Ahh, it must be a conspiracy!!!!!

  47. Im a homebrewer and an uncertified beer judge (okay, Ive only judged in one comp, hopefully, soon to be two). I know a thing or two about the flavors in beer.

    One of my favorite beer reviews (from a popular beer website), mostly for its amazing accuracy (bolding mine):


    A brilliant murky fluid, which has an orange cloudy hue. Served in a dry flute glass with minimal carbonation, white, but very tight thin bubble head. It resembles a flat Hefeweizen after a short time.

    Has all the nasal beauty of a herd of damp unsheared Sheep, you know the ones that have shit stuck to their matted back ends. Liquid farmyard effluent traces, wet straw, hay-lofts, rotten soaking oak casks, old wooden barns & crap stained muck-spreaders.

    Incredibly dry, impressive yeast dominant astringency, with a massive acidity that fights every drop of saliva in the aural cavity. It decimates the mouth & creates an arid wasteland. The sourness has lessened over the years. Dehydrated cheeks are powerless to defeat the “you-know-what-is-coming-next” aspect. The Cantillon mouth-pucker. I am sure I swallowed my own mouth at least twice.

    The reviewer gave the beer a perfect score.

    The first time I tried a Cantillon Gueuze, the smell nearly made me ill. Some have said is smells like vomit, I think that is one of the odors there. It is the worst smelling substance I have ever put in my mouth. It tastes wonderful.

  48. . . . . but the love of the taste of beer is a delusion of the highest order.

    Beer is crap; mead is the nectar of the gods.

  49. and has anyone ever heard of the brothers Grimm? Nice bedtime stories……………

  50. At least anon_regular is smart enough to know that this is the one topic he would NOT want associated with his good name.

    Watery beer, for evah! Miller Light, Dos Equis, Molsen Ice, IceHouse when it is really, really, and I mean it has to be really really, cold. You know you secretly love those brews in your heart of hearts. Stop letting your social conditioning get in the way of your true happiness. Tru Up.

    Can I stop now CN? Got a fix on me as of this time? Probably should have used a regional dialect to deflect, but, no time for that.

  51. You know you secretly love those brews in your heart of hearts.

    Nope. Never did. Never well.

    Ice cold beer is just stupid. Cold kills taste.

  52. Old enough to drink,
    Old enough to dink.

  53. Cider tastes better than beer, and has more alcohol.

  54. If they rebranded Miller Light as Beer Flavored Water and sold it beside Evian, a lot of you guys would be all over that shit.

  55. “New Orleans!
    Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank
    New Orleans”

    I take it you’ve never had the Louisiana Cioppino at the Pelican Club.

    http://www.pelicanclub.com/menu.html#ala

  56. As a brewer and a judge, I’ll have to say this: The macro’s should always be ice cold…because it destroys both flavor and aroma. This is, no kidding, how the BJCP says it should be served, though they don’t say why. Not that there is much to begin with.

    Apparently anon_regular just wants to get drunk with no flavor…which is his perogative.

    However, anon_regular,- don’t be so simple as to claim that everything has to be either flavorless or it tastes like shit. You obviously haven’t tasted everything, nor have I, but I assume your experiences are limited. If you have had good beers and still think they taste like shit, I pity you. I’m no gourmand, but the world of flavor is varied and complex, and if you prefer guzzling flavorless shit quickly down your gullet to provide intoxication, you’re missing out on an awful lot of what I, and many other people, enjoy.

    I also brew mead, cider, braggot, sours, etc. They’re all wonderful, and they all have a time and place.

    On topic – The latest movie was awful, and you complain about hermione getting a bit tipsy? That bitches’ kids are laughing more because their parents think it’s taboo then anything else. Simple mind, Simple topic.

    Slaint

  57. I like a good, solid beer as well as anybody. I’ll even enjoy a sour every now and then. But I’ve seen beer snobs gush over beer that tasted like blood sausage and smelled even worse. More importantly, if I’m drinking beer all day, I’d rather have beer flavored water. Yes. Make no mistake. I will crush the cans with my fists.

  58. Simple mind, Simple topic.

    Don’t you
    complain about beer.
    No, no, no, no

  59. Okay, you want a good home brew, well semi home brew, that will make your friends think you are the fucking brewmaster genuis, here is a recipe:

    One envelope of yeast,
    one quarter cup of molasses,
    two cups of Papa John’s crust scraps at least two days old, finely ground*.

    Place in an empty three liter bottle, fill it with a mix of seltzer and tap water till it is four fifths or so full.

    Set aside for two weeks. You don’t need it to fully ferment. Now strain out the gook, you’ll now have enough room in the container to add a full bottle of Schlitz malt liquor. There is your home brew beer, and it will delight your friends to no end, so long as you keep it hush hush about the process involved.

    *I like to keep some jalapenos and tomato sauce on the crust for taste. No cheese though.

  60. “mead is the nectar of the gods.”

    SECONDED!

    While we’re on this topic, btw, anyone have a favorite Mead they’d like to recommend to me?

  61. I seriously prefer a sharp, acrid, metallic-tasting lager, like a Heineken or [when I’m in the mood] a Bud.

    I went through the whole “microbrew” phase, and it’s a big wankfest. I don’t want to drink anything that makes me think stuff is floating in it. And I wouldn’t give a dog Guinness.

  62. Afraid that the CO2 in the seltzer water will cause the yeast to asphyxiate. Not to mention the pH imbalance of the jalapenos and tomato sauce (you’d need to add that post fermentation).

    Keep working on those recipes anon! You’ll get it sooner or later.

  63. I went through the whole “microbrew” phase, and it’s a big wankfest. I don’t want to drink anything that makes me think stuff is floating in it. And I wouldn’t give a dog Guinness.

    Taste is always subjective Fluffy, but I’m a bit confused. The microbrew thing has as much or more to do with producing and buying local than creating new beer (or crazy) beers. What designates that as a wankfest? Or gives you the impression that you’d find anything floating in it? Not being an ass, just asking your opinion

  64. While we’re on this topic, btw, anyone have a favorite Mead they’d like to recommend to me?

    I’ve tried a few commercial meads, but none came close to what I used to make myself.

    I seriously prefer a sharp, acrid, metallic-tasting lager, like a Heineken or [when I’m in the mood] a Bud.

    Knock yourself out. De gustibus . . . .

  65. All the kids were laughing like crazy

    Wouldn’t the kids be less inclined to drink if they thought they would end up being the object of ridicule?

  66. Afraid that the CO2 in the seltzer water will cause the yeast to asphyxiate. Not to mention the pH imbalance of the jalapenos and tomato sauce (you’d need to add that post fermentation).

    Keep working on those recipes anon! You’ll get it sooner or later.

    Thanks for the tip. That is what the Schlitz is for to compensate. It is pretty righteously unholy as it stands, but if it could stand on its own as a brew, that would be killer. After reading robc’s review, I think our argument may be entirely semantic in nature.

    Some days, I have a demonic taste for the nasty, and other days, I just want to slowly drink myself into oblivion but not over do it on a liquor.

  67. Not my review, and that is only one style.

    Lambics (the real ones) are naturally fermented. No yeast is added, whatever native yeast is floating around the Somme (did I get the right one?) Valley is allowed to ferment away. Then its put in wooden vats with all kinds of weird microbes that turn the beer sour and interesting.

    Its definately a style that few like. When “barnyard” and “horse blanket” are standard descriptors, it isnt going to be overly popular.

  68. Well, anon, if that’s what your looking for:

    6 lbs light dry malt extract
    3 lbs rice syrup

    1.5 oz of hops around 6% AA

    throw shit in 5.5 gallons of water and boil 60 minutes

    Throw in bucket with 2 packets of US-05 dry yeast. Top up to 5 gallons. Leave alone for 2 weeks. Mix in a half cup of sugar then bottle. Or throw in a keg and hit with CO2.

    There ya go, 2 cases of 8% malt liquor for ~35 bucks.

    Then again, I’m assuming that’s the homebrew you’re used to. So I’m probably not telling you anything you didn’t already know.

  69. robc,

    There’s actually a brewery on the pacific coast of the US that’s doing the same thing. (only one in the US, I believe). Guy fills vats and sticks them out back. Lets the ocean winds ferment them. It’s supposedly pretty excellent. Was in one of the few last issues of zymurgy.

  70. See, just when a guy’s posts are beginning to make all kinds of sense, he’s got to post this: “And I wouldn’t give a dog Guinness.”
    It takes all kinds.

  71. I’m keeping bees this year. I’ve done the home-brew bit and figure I’ll try to make some mead, assuming I get an appreciable honey harvest. Any good books on the subject?

  72. I’ve tried a few commercial meads, but none came close to what I used to make myself.

    Ditto.

  73. I’m keeping bees this year. I’ve done the home-brew bit and figure I’ll try to make some mead, assuming I get an appreciable honey harvest. Any good books on the subject?

    Start at Got Mead dot Com

  74. Citizen,

    The Compleat Meadmaker by Ken Schramm

    Don’t ask me why it’s spelled this way. It’s the go to book for brewing mead.

  75. deluded1,

    Russian River?

  76. CN,

    Mix honey with water.
    Add yeast.
    Wait a year.

    I think that is about it for Mead.

  77. 16 lbs whole mulberris (picked fresh, then frozen)
    7 lbs medium dark honey
    2 gallons water
    1 pkg ale yeast

    Let it go for two or three weeks.

    Press the juice out of the berries, and rack into glass.

    Let settle for a week or so, prime with honey and bottle.

    Yield three gallons.

    Result 12% ABV, dark, rich, musty aroma. Big flavor. A lot of ‘beer’ character, but no bitter because no hops.

  78. The Compleat Meadmaker by Ken Schramm

    Best of the lot, but there a many other good books.

  79. robc,

    Nope, it’s a tiny brewpub. Doesn’t package anything. I’ll see if I can dig around and find the name for you. I keep my back issues.

  80. Harry Potter series has to be some of the most libertarian literature that has actually managed to reach a wide audience… the ministry of Magic basically alternates between bumbling incompetence and criminal overreaction… one of the most important lessosn of the books is that the End does not justify the Means… and rebellion against authority is constantly there..

    That would all be true, except that young Harry the Chosen One, who absorbed so much of Voldemort’s talent, ends up becoming nothing more than another government employee. In fact, he becomes something akin to the magical world’s version of a stormtrooper. Couldn’t he have done something more inspiring with all that talent? The Weasley twins are the only ones who show any spark among that crowd.

  81. Dude, this is a brewing thread 😉

  82. I have a blackberry/blueberry wheat wine going right now. Fermentation is done but it is HOT. It will need some time for the alcohol flavor to abate.

    Planning on doing a nut brown this weekend.

  83. Dude, this is a brewing thread 😉

    What, we can’t multi-task?

    For the record, it doesn’t get tastier than a nice chewy imperial stout or a sweet doppelbock. And a true Pilsner (not that megabrewery swill) tastes amazing on a hot summer day.

  84. What, we can’t multi-task?

    Difficult to do at the end of a long day 😉

  85. We’re missing the important question here. When are they all 18 and when is the Hogwarts, coke fueled, pot smoking orgy going to hit theaters?

    Someone had to do it.

  86. “”mead is the nectar of the gods.””

    mead is the urine of the gods.

    FIFY

  87. kinnath | July 28, 2009, 4:58pm | #

    Dude, this is a brewing thread 😉

    Awesome. You neve get this lively of a discussion on the AHA TechTalk list. I currently have a Hefeweisen going (but discoverd the primary temp may have been a little high as the basment is now covered in krausen). We will see if any of the WLP-300 German Hefe esters are left after a shuttle launch fermentation. Not holding my breath. Maybe it will be so flavorless that anon-regular would like it.

    I will still drink it though.

    Waste not want not

  88. Cliche,

    300 should always be done a little too hot, lovely banana bombs result. I refuse to ferment hefes in my basement, T is too low.

    I had one at a 4th of July party. Based on results from the last 2 times I have made it, it picked up the nickname of roofieweizen. Hot chicks asleep on the couch mid-party.

  89. Brewing threads break out on a semi-regular basis here at H&R.

    No point is crying over spilt beer

  90. robc,

    The American Wild Ale that I was speaking of is from Grey Parrot Brewpub, brewed by Phil Goularte, Long Beach, Washington. Can be found in Volume III Issue II of Beeradvocate magazine.

    Clich?,

    As long as it didn’t hit 75, you should be fine. I’ve found that with that yeast, you’ll have a stronger banana and less clove esters, were if you drop it down to 62, it’ll be all clove. And for lively talk, I usually use beeradvocate.com or brewboard.com.

    So, I’ve got a belgian tripel and a saison I brewed sunday doing a partigyle. Also have a german pilsner, and a smokey doppelbock (11%) sitting in the fridge lagering next to a german alt bier. On tap I have an american wheat w/ orange and coriander that I dry hopped w/ columbus and cascade (to bring out the citrus & floral notes) In line to bottle are a scottish wee heavy (14%) and my “omega”. A belgian quad aged in oak w/ port wine & choclate.

  91. Its been a long while since the last brewing thread.

    I only enter 1 competition a year, I consider myself more of a soul brewer than a comp brewer, but I like to enter my state fair. This year the competitive side in me has come out, Im going for a trophy haul. I have 4 entries, all of which have scored well and/or won categories in the past, with one exception, which is a damn good beer too.

    Normally I enter for the judges feedback on ways to improve my beers, but not this year. I want wins.

  92. deluded1,

    I remember reading that article now.

  93. My first state fair is coming up this weekend. Two sack meads, two pymnets, and two melomels.

  94. american wheat

    The scourge of beer styles. An embarrassment to America. And even worse when they get called hefeweizens. Im talking about you, Widmer.

  95. Forgot to mention in ealier post what my 4 entries are:

    ESB
    Schwarzbier
    English Mild
    Hefeweizen

    Also, the libertarian in me makes sure I violate the reinheitsgebot* every time a brew a german style.

    *I spelled it right in 1 try!

  96. Also, the libertarian in me makes sure I violate the reinheitsgebot* every time a brew a german style.

    I’d ask exactly how you violate the law, but I’m a little afraid to know what you add.

  97. hmm,

    Orange peel and coriander in my hefe (spicing it like a Wit) and I use a small amount of roast barley in my schwarzbier.

    Plus, you know, a little extra something.

  98. I just called it american wheat because I used us-05 yeast and some two-row.

    Really it was a kitchen sink brew: I was trying to use the last of a bunch of bags. It had german pils, two row, and quite a few lbs of white wheat. I had tried a wheat from Stoudts recently that had dry hopped with citrus hops, and it made a pronounced impact on the flavor for me. I thought I’d give it a try.

  99. hmm,

    We’re missing the important question here. When are they all 18

    The only one that matters has been 18 for a while. Hence my reference to a different famous picture of her somewhere way earlier in this thread.

    IIRC, she starts school at Brown this fall.

  100. deluded1,

    It is the use of Chico/US-05/whatever yeast in a wheat beer that pisses me off. 🙂

    A style that so demands a yeast contribution and then to use the most neutral yeast ever? Seems like such a waste. Then again, I like Gumballhead, so what do I know.

  101. I have some glacier hops (2 oz) that I have no clue what Im going to do with them…any ideas?

  102. Glacier is a earthy hop, which tends to be english styles. I’ve always found it to be really clean when bittering, and goes pretty well with newport.

    If you want to stick american, go with a nice brown ale. Keep it malty, maybe add some molasses.

  103. Hmm…

    I wonder if there is some kind of connection between Libertarianism and home brewing?

  104. oooh, or a low alcohol porter might be nice. I tend to associate “earthy” with darker, roasty beers.

    As for the us-05, I couldn’t agree more – hefeweizen was the reason I started drinking beer for enjoyment (paulaner). I almost spit out my first american wheat. But we work with what we have….

  105. There is certainly a connection between drinkers and home brewers.

  106. deluded1,

    Thanks. I was thinking porter for the Glacier. Probably will do it to follow up my nut brown.

  107. What a HORRIBLE mom. Who, in their right mind, would let their kids ingest any media form without having some clue as to its content?

    Don’t get me wrong: I’ve seen the movie, and don’t see a problem, unless you count her fragile mind.

    But if, in the middle of a fantasy movie about freakin’ wizards, witches, dragons and undead monsters at the bottom of murky lake inside a fucking scary-ass cave you wonder about the impact the alcohol content (or lack there-of) of a fictional beverage – inside this fantasy movie of fictional 16-fucking-year-olds – will have on your ten-year-kid (who’s probably crapping popcorn by now), you obviously do not deserve or are qualified to have children!

    Seriously. Give them up. I think octo-mom is better suited to raising kids than you.

  108. Peter,

    I agree wholeheartedly, but what’s on tap?

    robc,

    May I suggest some fenugreek seed for a touch of maple flavor?

  109. @Unsubstantive Kurt:
    There is a connection. Go to http://www.homebrewtalk.com and see how many libertarians you find.

  110. So robc, where can I buy some of your Hefeweizen?

  111. Dear god don’t say buy and homebrew in the same sentence. BATF and state tax agencies will be all upset.

  112. I don’t think I have ever seen a thread take such a turn. Not that I am complaining.

    All the people still contributing seem quite enthusiastic.

    I am a drinker myself, although I prefer bourbon as my drink of choice.

  113. Kurt,

    Had a Goose Island IPA with dinner and a glass of Evan Williams single barrel afterwords, so dont have a problem with your drink of choice.

  114. …you obviously do not deserve or are qualified to have children!

    But you do have to marvel that a woman with that large of a stick, that far up her ass, was ever able to give birth.

  115. By the way, that picture is clearly fake.

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  117. Given I just happened across this old article, but … THEY are ENGLISH, they donet have the same drinking ages, that we do

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