Do Autobots Dream of Electric Blackface?
On its way to earning more money than you can possibly imagine, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is drawing a small storm of indignation—and not just because it's as godawful as every other Michael Bay flick. Apparently deeming it insufficient to heartlessly screw (for a second time) the collective memory of a generation of Transformers toy/cartoon fans, Bay has added crypto-racism to the mix, sending some critics into fits of righteous, apopleptic rage.
The movie features two new, controversial autobots named "Skids" and "Mudflap." They shuck and jive in what amounts to an updated-for-the-21st-century Al Jolson routine. They speak in gangsta slang. One sports a golden tooth. Both are excitable and diminutive enough to draw comparisons to chimpanzees. The insensitivity is shocking, shocking, in our fine, post-racial age.
And, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Bay is unapologetic:
Director Michael Bay insists jive-talking twin robots were only meant for laughs.
"It's done in fun," he said. "I don't know if it's stereotypes—they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it."…
"Listen, you're going to have your naysayers on anything," he said. "It's like, is everything going to be Melba toast? It takes all forms and shapes and sizes."
Let us momentarily appreciate two philosophical oddities: film characters that are simultaneously racist and race-less, and critiques of the racial politics of a Michael Bay movie.
Sadly, Reason has covered Michael Bay in the past. Check out Managing Editor Jesse Walker's take on Michael Bay's moral vision here. David Weigel reported on the first Transformers movie and petty copyright enforcement here.
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I have yet to hear a single geekboy state what desperately needs saying:
Transformers was never cool. Ever.
It isn't a mythos, it's an ad campaign.
That being said, has anyone demanded apologies from Tyler Perry for his portrayal of blacks?
"Let me be the first to say this plainly: Michael Bay deserves to be killed," Mr. Turner wrote in a blog entry on June 2. "His blood will replenish the tree of cinematography. A small price to pay to assure quality entertainment for millions."
This is Ja Ja Binks all over again.
This is Ja Ja Binks all over again.
Was he supposed to be the token black guy? I never heard about that.
Maybe if we keep portraying black people as hyper, illiterate fools then they will stop acting that way.
This is hilarious!
They speak in gangsta slang. One sports a golden tooth.
Are such stereotypes racist if they are true? And if they are true, how can they be stereotypes? Seems to me that a subculture that has dominated pop music for so long--and has had such an impact on the culture as a whole--should be fair game for the satirist.
What's Michael Bay's address and phone number?
Stereotypes are funny. Deal.
Sorry, that should have read:
Caricatures of stereotypes are funny.
What's Michael Bay's address and phone number?
Hollywood. 555-555-5555.
Watch out for the FBI.
If BET's programming was run by white people, I trust there would be outrage.
The question is this: will kids think these characters are cool?
That's a question that is often missing from these "racial characteristics in film" discussions.
For example, a lot of people thought that the "amigos" in Happy Feet were "racist" depictions of Latinos. And they certainly had stereotpyical Latino characteristics. But they were also supposed to be cool, funny, brave, witty, and smart.
If you have a character in a movie who is supposed to be admirable, and the character is a "hood rat with a heart of gold" or something, how exactly do you depict that character on the screen?
Some people might argue that this amounts to saying that it's not anti-Semitism to depict Jews as clever with money, because that's a positive trait. But I don't think that's the case. Because the alternative would be to completely edit out of film characters based on urban minorities, whether they're depicted positively or not, because someone might think you're playing to stereotypes. Is it more racist to include characters that have features that could be considered stereotypes, or to shut those characters out totally and have all characters be based on suburban whites?
This is discriminination against greens and oranges, dammit!
Shouldn't they be red and blue. With spinners and plaid boxers showing?
You know what's truly shocking? The we're discussing the merits of a fucking Michael Bay film in the first place.
Agree with Fluffy, it's what the stereotypes are doing that matters.
I think for some comparison:
The crows in Dumbo are obviously black stereotypes, but they're also warm and likable. They befriend the outcast Dumbo and teach him confidence.
King Louis and the apes in Jungle Book are obviously black stereotypes, and they sing a little song about how much they want to be like real, full human beings but they just can't because of their monkey nature and in the course of playing their wild jazz song they destroy the human-built temple they occupied.
Because the alternative would be to completely edit out of film characters based on urban minorities
Or have a black EP or producer.
Not to mention that there are actually urban caucasians (and Hispanics, and Asians, and Samoans, and .....) that speak and act this way. It might have started with black people, but they do not have a monopoly on the hood style (since the freakin' eighties).
I was equally offended by the hook-nosed, money-grubbing, scheming Mercedes transformer named "Skinflint." I thought he was too Chinese.
Merits? That word has no meaning in the Bayiverse.
Did you see Cracked's recent bit on Bay?
Yeah. You know what really gets up my nose? The ways Jews and blacks can make self-deprecating humor and I can't tell the difference between it and racism. What's up with that? It seems like they're making fun of me or something.
Some people might argue that this amounts to saying that it's not anti-Semitism to depict Jews as clever with money, because that's a positive trait.
So was the scene with the robot tailors Cohen and Goldberg, in Woody Allen's "Sleeper," anti-semitic? (I saw that with my father when it first came out, and I thought he was going to die laughing.)
I was equally offended by the hook-nosed, money-grubbing, scheming Mercedes transformer named "Skinflint." I thought he was too Chinese.
And here I thought he was a Scotsman.
jtuf | June 26, 2009, 12:00pm | #
This is Ja Ja Binks all over again.
this reminded me of the conservative christian furor over jar jar binks being a "demonic character." I remember one kids parents caught their progeny humping an inflatable jar jar doll and concluded satan was perverting their child using star wars merchandise.
I thought empathy was PC! I'm so confused ...
It's just a fucking movie!
I guess, since jive speak is now a taboo, I can't watch "Airplane" anymore. Jive is not necessarily racial. Barbara Billingsley spoke it very fluently in the previously mentioned movie.
The first movie was racist. In at least two scenes there is an expletive emitted by an off-screen black voice interrupted by an explosion. For example:
"What the f---!"
"Motherf---!"
Michael Bay is racist because he portrays black people as cussing and wild, and somewhat more scared of robots and explosions than white people. He's racist for expecting his black audience to respond well to those lines. What's even sadder, though, is that those lines actually tested well with audiences (or they would not have been added).
And here I thought he was a Scotsman.
The poet McTeagle!
"I remember one kids parents caught their progeny humping an inflatable jar jar doll"
That's just so full of screwed up, I don't know what to say. LMFAO
Oh, good. Cracked is apparently piling on: Storyboards from Michael Bay's The Great Gatsby.
If you look at two Transformers, who "speak in gangsta slang. One sports a golden tooth. Both are excitable and diminutive enough to draw comparisons to chimpanzees." and immediately think "black guy," maybe you should take a second look at your own prejudices.
If the protrayal of these two green and orange robots is racist, what are we to make of the two clearly black Jive Dudes in "Airplane" (the ones that Barbara Billingsley translated for)?
Bumblebee was not a fucking Camero.
Jazz was always the smooth black guy and he wasn't a cheesey midlife crisis car(Solstice). He was a Porsche.
"Look, my gang...which I can't talk about because it's super secret is the most important thing to me now, and if you two don't like it, you can just pass the blunt to the nigga on your left."
Why isn't joe here? RACISM RACISM RACISM OBAMA OBAMA HUGLAGHALGHALGHAL
Epi, where's my ginger ale and marshmallows?
Hey Warty, how many able-bodied people does it take to screw in a light bulb?
One.
Is ginger ale code word for grape drink?
If I jump on the Michael-Bay-is-a-racist bandwagon, will Bay be run out of Hollywood and not be allowed to make a film again?
Director Michael Bay insists jive-talking twin robots were only meant for laughs.
That's what they said about the minstrel shows.
And now, in a fearless demonstration of undying allegiance with my differently pigmented fellow man, I swear a solemn oath that I will not go see this movie.
Epi, I think we better stay out of this one.
It's "grape drank" not drink.
Not even if they give away free watermelon.
They should have used the tailpipe of one of the cars to resemble a blunt that the two passed back and forth throughout the movie.
BayFAIL.
Obligatory
how many able-bodied people does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Barring coercion, it's none of your damn binniss.
this reminded me of the conservative christian furor over jar jar binks being a "demonic character." I remember one kids parents caught their progeny humping an inflatable jar jar doll and concluded satan was perverting their child using star wars merchandise.
LOL. Score one for Satan.
The io9 review of T:RotF is very, very funny.
http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie?skyline=true&s=i
UberHack Bay was just ripping off this:
"That was nothing compared to the time me and Galactus got caught having a naked knife fight by The National Enquirer."
WTF? Who stole my umlaut?
how many able-bodied people does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Is that what the kids are calling it these days? I just can't keep up.
The first movie was racist. In at least two scenes there is an expletive emitted by an off-screen black voice interrupted by an explosion. For example:
"What the f---!"
"Motherf---!"
Where is the racism there? Your detector is picking up signals from out of this planet.
The only relevant question is, which is the more incompetent director: Michael Bay or McG?
(Leave Uwe Boll out of this. We already know he's the most incompetent director since Hal Warren.)
Is it actually racist to point out a commonality? Or is it only racist to judge based on a commonality? Or is it racist for someone who is not a part of the commonality to point out the commonality?
Who cares. It's a movie. You can watch any number of movies aimed at the black market or at the market as a whole and find the same fucking stereotypes.
who cares
"Raaaaaacist!"
McG is Orson Welles compared to Bay. I assert that any enjoyment ever felt by anyone at a Bay film was completely unintentional on his part.
SugarFree,
Were you looking for this?
``It's me,'' Alan said. ``But Rudy's joking. `Turing' doesn't really have an umlaut in it.''
``He's going to have an umlaut in him later tonight,'' Rudy said, looking at Alan in a way that, in retrospect, years later, Lawrence would understand to have been smoldering.
Gonna have to disagree with the consensus here. The Rock and Armageddon kicked ass, Transformers kicked ass, and I will be going to see the new one this weekend.
On the other hand, Terminator Salvation was a disgrace. Fuck McG.
Were you looking for this?
I had it there! It disappeared! Gah!
Who cares. It's a movie.
That's the point! Movies are more real than reality. If you see some guy smoking a cigarette outside the 7-eleven, it's just some guy smoking.
If you see a guy smoking outside a 7-eleven in a movie, it's a paradigm of the innate self-destructive urge which drives civilizations to rise and fall.
If you see a robot in a movie with a gold tooth and enormous ummm, feet, it's a stereotype.
The Soup, on VH1's "Black History Month":
http://www.fastclips.com/videos/tevAD0em6lUs
They aren't black, they're "urban".
The movie looks so terrible, like Terminator Salvation took a shit and that shit was this movie...
What a shame, I fucking love the Transformers...
If Micheal Bay executive produced haikus:
shitty Micheal Bay
shitty movies, shitty shit
shit shit shit shit shit
I'm more interested in the Feministing reaction to SugarFree's BK ad.
Ska,
They haven't picked it up yet. I mailed it to them and everything! I wonder if I'll get a hat tip?
It's been a disappointing summer movie season so far...
``It's me,'' Alan said. ``But Rudy's joking. `Turing' doesn't really have an umlaut in it.''
``He's going to have an umlaut in him later tonight,'' Rudy said, looking at Alan in a way that, in retrospect, years later, Lawrence would understand to have been smoldering.
Even though I got the Cryptonomicon reference, with my name in there, my butt cheeks still winced.
Just wait until they introduce the female autobots.
Does that mean the transformers are more like spartans. That could indicate a huge gay robot scene in the third movie.
Transformers: Brokeback Cybertron
Ska,
They haven't picked it up yet. I mailed it to them and everything! I wonder if I'll get a hat tip?
Did I miss something?
MNG,
I immediately went to write, "But what about.." and realized I was drawing a complete blank.
Transformers, by definition, will be better than the POS that was Star Trek.
Sad to say, but apparently its Bay>Abrams. At least in this limited case.
Where's the outrage over Sam Raimi's depiction of Gypsies in "Drag Me To Hell"?
Wait, I forgot that it doesn't matter as long as your movie is six kinds of awesome. Never mind.
Peter,
I sent this ad to Feministing.
I'm very much looking forward to the release of "9" in September.
The short film that it is based on was great.
SF
I don't know how you feel about Star Trek, but it suddenly seems Oscar-worthy in comparison to some of these turkeys.
"But what about.." The Hangover? There is that.
Bay sucks ass. I just looked at the list of films that he directed. I liked some of The Island, and I'm willing to believe that Playboy Video Centerfold: Kerri Kendall was good. That's it.
Sucks!
Just checked out 9, looks interesting.
This flick "Moon" has some good buzz.
Sug, you're just on the wrong feminist sites. The less-rabid zeldalily.com (run by a friend of mine- true story!) picked up the BK ad story a few days ago.
The recent Star Trek movie was the first in the series without a moral theme. Just another shooting, karate, big boom movie in space.
Epic fail.
The camera shine or star thingies or whatever the fuck they are were annoying as hell as well.
I thought the Hangover was just OK.
Go see "Drag Me To Hell".
It's a riot.
What's the fun then, Dagny? The commentors are too sensible to truly enjoy. Now let's hear from people who are offended by a rubber tit vending machine.
I sent this ad to Feministing.
Seven inches. Please...
The less-rabid
What's the point of reading feminists with a sense of humor? I want foaming-at-the-mouth inchoate rage that only my girls at Feministing can provide. Nothing else does it for me at this point.
Well, nothing but you, my snow princess.
Ska, the commenters there don't always exercise such restraint. It's my belief that 7 inches is just not enough to offend anyone.
Does this count as a reverse minstrel show?
Dagny T.
He's not on the wrong one - less rabid fems would be far less amusing.
I love the indignation.
I mean everyone obviously knows that there are 0 people with dark skin pigment who actually speak in slang.
MNG,
I did enjoy Star Trek. I'm not a huge fan of the series itself as a work of science fiction, so the movie worked for me on a semi-mindless entertainment level.
I've not seen The Hangover but I have a soft spot for that sort of humor.
It's my belief that 7 inches is just not enough to offend anyone.
Depends on velocity and target.
Only in Singapore could seven inches make a girls eyes light up like in the ad.
MNG | June 26, 2009, 1:35pm | #
I thought the Hangover was just OK.
srsly?! I hate that type of movie and I laughed my ass off.
2 things...
1. Best article title ever.
2. If inner city blacks are offended by their stereotype being made into the butt of jokes in, perhaps they should stop speaking like morons.
y'know, there were so many incredulous moments and coincidences and so much cheesy acting in Star Trek that I am baffled at the positive reviews it received from non-fans. I say that as a fan who hated it for a multitude of other reasons, but for the non-fans: Nero can travel back in time, and instead of warning about the event that kills his planet, he goes on a useless revenge killing spree?
Does that make sense to anybody?
TAO,
Not to defend the movie, but...
It does show the sort of dangerously powerful emotions that Vulcans struggle to suppress.
Also, kudos on yesterday. You didn't trip my spoof alarm at all. I was a bit distracted yesterday, but I won't try and use that as an excuse.
Feministing had a thread on the BK ad the other day.
http://www.feministing.com/archives/016310.html
SugarFree - thanks, man! I never tried a spoof previously (err, other than the one of LW that got me banned), so I was pleased with the results :D.
See, though, even with the Vulcans, you've got ueber-stoic Sarek saying "embrace your emotions".
The only saving grace is that the new Trek is, by definition, not canon, so thank Galt for small favors.
Dammit TAO!!! You're missing the big picture! Uhura and Spock!!! Uhura and Spock!!!
I thought the most implausible thing was Kirk getting elevated to acting Captain during the movie...
The Climate Change Climate Change
The number of skeptics is swelling everywhere.
The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world's first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak "frankly" of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history." Norway's Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the "new religion." A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton's Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists' open letter.)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html
Sharp eye, wingnutx!
How did I miss that? Maybe I occasionally blackout when I read them. I do wake up in strange places all the time, but I thought that was just the drugs.
Maybe I post over there while in a fugue state. Maybe I'm SarahMC! [shudder]
I thought the most implausible thing was Kirk getting elevated to acting Captain during the movie...
Well, I gave them a pass on that one by pretending that the entire new crew of the Enterprise was made up of cadets plus a couple of Academy instructors, so at least one of the cadets had to end up in the chain of command.
It was MUCH, MUCH more implausible that Kirk would be sent to down to the ice planet in a pod and would land right next to where Spock just happened to be hanging out.
Sure. We give aircraft carriers to Naval Academy cadets all of the time. Shit, we give them whole fleets sometimes, just as a lark.
And White Chicks wasn't offensive? Lets gets some perspective here folks. If it had been any Black Director, people would be slapping him on the back, and he'd be off to the BET awards.
Get over it and move on.
Doc
Maybe I'm SarahMC! [shudder]
Hey, you created me. I didn't create some loser alter-ego to make myself feel better. Take some responsibility!
"how many able-bodied people does it take to screw in a light bulb?"
At least two, but neither one needs to be all that able bodied.
Oh, and the light bulb has to be really, really big in order for two or more people to screw in it.
Tyler Durden
Well, I do occasionally splice in very pornographic things to this board that upsets people...
now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N.
Anyone who disagrees with AGW is not a "real scientist" therefore all real scientists agree with AGW. Learn it, live it, love it.
Last night SarahMC told me:
"My God. I haven't been fucked like that since grade school."
I just smiled and removed my yellow plastic gloves...
"My God. I haven't been fucked like that since grade school."
The original line, that they cut was: "I want to have your abortion."
Gee and let me watch any black made movie or series with their airheaded effeminate white boy character. Almost every single one has one.
"I mean everyone obviously knows that there are 0 people with dark skin pigment who actually speak in slang."
I heard a fascinating conversation on my commute home last evening. Two black women were comparing Chicago niggers and Minneapolis niggers (their words). They said where as Minneapolis niggers are all mamma's boys, Chicago niggers are all a bunch of criminals (everyone of them according to one of the woman).
The girl who made the remark about the Chi boys was asked why she thought that and she said that she'd been a Minneapolis nigger her entire life and so she saw how the Chicago niggers behaved when they came to Minneapolis. It was a fascinating discussion.
Oh, and one of the girls was pregnat (and being healthy about it) and she added that her mother had eight kids but since she'd once had twins, she'd only been pregnant seven times. Bothe girls laughed at the thought of someone being pregnant "only" seven times.
she'd only been pregnant seven times. Bothe girls laughed at the thought of someone being pregnant "only" seven times.
I wonder if the reason minorities reproduce so much is because of some subliminal messaging they received about how this was the only way to overtake the oppressive white race. I need to listen to MLK's speeches again...
fecundity is inversely correlated with wealth. Proven over and over again.
Is your fecundity a trammel or a treasure?
"I wonder if the reason minorities reproduce so much is because of some subliminal messaging they received about how this was the only way to overtake the oppressive white race. I need to listen to MLK's speeches again..."
I worked with a Latino man who shared that philosophy. He had several kids via several women. But my friend Leroy takes the cake. Seventeen kids! Seventeen! All by at least a dozen woman. Doesn't pay a dime of child support either. that's where you and I come in. But on the whole, he's a really great guy.
Generally it's a net positive for poor people, and a cost for the rich. The welfare state reinforces this.
Doesn't pay a dime of child support either...But on the whole, he's a really great guy.
Did that really just happen?
fecundity is inversely correlated with wealth
I'll give you that, but when was the last time a white woman took a white guy on Maury or whatever to get the test results about her baby-daddy? There are poor white people out there too...
Racial insensitivity is problem with an easy solution. Quit being so fucking sensitive.
I won't make any Con Air comments in this thread, considering the sincere and heartfelt opinions of many commenters here. But you know how I feel.
The Michael Bay remake of ZARDOZ holds a lot of promise.
> Movies are more real than reality.
That's why Broadway musicals about Broadway musicals are so poignant.
That's why Broadway musicals about Broadway musicals are so poignant.
Reality cubed.
But on the whole, he's a really great guy.
I'm having a hard time imagining someone so otherwise outstanding that their personal fabulousness outweighs avoiding responsibility for their children and sticking their hand in my pocket to finance their hobby of banging skanks without a rubber.
banging skanks without a rubber.
This demonstrates empathy. If he said, "I ain't stickin' my pecker in there without it's bein' impenetrably sealed against whatever it is you got!" she might feel bad about herself.
"I'm having a hard time imagining someone so otherwise outstanding that their personal fabulousness outweighs avoiding responsibility for their children and sticking their hand in my pocket to finance their hobby of banging skanks without a rubber."
Well for one thing, he's a great story teller. He does babysit some of his kids when needed. He doesn't hit them and they're all well behaved. He works full time, pays his taxes and if you need a ride to the airport he'll give you one. He just doesn't pay child support, that's all. Who could cover that for seventeen kids?
His only crime is that he knocked up women seventeen times. At least the ones we know about.
"banging skanks without a rubber."
Not a skank in the bunch. Hot chick like Leroy.
EA Palin, its all about values. In my book, a man who fathers a child has voluntarily taken on a heavy, heavy responsibility. Blowing it off with no more than occasional babysitting is a massive dereliction of duty.
Being an otherwise OK guy (has a job, will drop you off at the airport) doesn't make up for it.
see also: other than his unnatural fondness for young boys, he was the bestest pop star ever.
A robot has a gold tooth? A robot has teeth?
Al Jolson wasn't a racist. I don't give a shit about this movie, but get your entertainment history straight. Really research what Jolsen's blackface was all about before you compare him to this dribble.
Has no one read Ego Trip's Big Book Of Racism? I consider it the authoritative tome on the subject.
It is simply distracting to have aliens or robots speak in contemporary stereotypes. Witness the separatists/merchants in the Phantom Menace sounding Asian (and jar jar a pseudo-jamaica-rasta (ears for dreads) and that freaking Howard Cosel voice for the announcer of the race (changed on the DVD releases I think).... It's simply annoying.
and jar jar a pseudo-jamaica-rasta
I personally didn't see the Jamaican connection when I watched the movie but after it was pointed out, it seemed obvious. Jar-jar was so fucking annoying that considering it an insult was warranted. Whereas, in Happy Feet, the amigos didn't raise any eyebrows on any one who isn't a thumbsucker by nature.
Just saw the movie last night. I'm not usually impressed by claims of racism in these things, but a few additional facts:
- The robots involved don't just talk in "urban" (cough cough) slang, they do so in ridiculous jivey pimp voices
- One has a gold tooth
- They're both the "ape-like" transformers. They clamber across larger transformers, they have big-ass forearms. They're basically chimps.
- The two are shown as goddamn idiots who are constantly fighting each other, calling each other pussies, etc.
- The creme de la creme? They are both illiterate. Seriously. It's a plot point.
So, yeah there you go. Robominstrelry.
From a historian's point of view, "diversity" (multiculturalism) always fails.
We don't need Jar-Jar Binks and these idiot transformers to tell us that in such a pejorative fashion.
Well done, DeepOmega.
Brett Stevens (can I call you BS?), I'm sure many of us are familiar with your hobby horse.
Uhm, I saw this movie, and I thought those two were hilarious. I'm black and I wasn't offended at all. Honestly, I hate when people point out "crypto-racism". Half half the time they just want it to be racist so they have something to complain about. I mean, they're freaking robots. This reveiw was more insulting than the movie. The reveiwer implied black people are chimpanzee-like. It's sort of like how people can say something totally innocent but then some guy can turn it into an innuendo. The guy that made the innudendo is the pervert, not the guy who said it. To make it even simpler: "Takes one to know one."
In the end: reviewer has some racist ideas to even notice these.