McDonald's Iced Tea Party

Do you know what today is? It's tax day! It's McDonald's franchise birthday! So if you have time, go to the nearest McDonald's and grab your favorite item from the Dollar Menu. In fact, go crazy and get a shake, too!

If after the cheeseburger, you're still feeling sore about the whole tax thing, head to the nearest tea party protest, all of which are displayed in the fun Google map below:

For the closest McDonald's location, go here.

Check out what Reason saw at a March tea party protest in Washington D.C. Cast a vigilant eye on "rightwing extremists" here. All things "Tea Party" here. In 2008, Contributing Editor Greg Beato explained how McDonald's keeps the masses thin. Senior Editor Jacob Sullum wrote about Morgan Spurlock's Super Size Me, here and here. Contributor Soso Whaley took the Spurlock challenge in 2004.

High Five: small dead animals

Comments

[SugarFree]

Spend two bucks and get yourself a McGangBang!

Link is SFW

[Nick]

What are the blue pins? Actual teabagging locations?

[Anonymous]

I'm all for low taxes and such, but the blatant astroturfery and cognitive dissonance going on with these "tea parties" and their cheerleaders makes me nauseous. I went to one of these in Texas and found nothing but a lot of Lipstick Libertarians who were happy to defend Bush's economic record (after all, there was a war on!) and didn't find a Barr/Baldwin/Paul supporter (or principled non-voter) in the lot. Most seemed to equate a Sarah Palin run in 2012 with the Second Coming of Christ.

[Naga Sadow]

SugarFree,

That looks revolting! Shame on you for even posting knowledge of this catastrophe!

[Mel k]

The blue flags indicate April 14th Tea Party

[Pro Libertate]

The problem is, if we sit and do nothing, Obama and Congress will take that as consent or even support of what they're doing. A vocal and high-profile public opposition may scare them enough to limit their next round of abuses. Even if that opposition isn't unified on what the best course of action is. At this point, just agreeing on "stop" is enough.

[R C Dean]

I think the difference in scale between these protests and the anti-war protests is absolutely astonishing.

And the inverted coverage provided to the two types of protests perfectly illuminates the fact that the legacy media is driven by a mission to promote a very limited narrative.

[brotherben]

Yes, I'd like $20 worth of McChickens and a cherry pie.

[Warren]

The google tea party map needs a link

[Naga Sadow]

Pro Lib,

Until you get labeled as a "militia" member. Then the feds are gonna keep bugging you to saw off a shotgun for them to your ruin.

[Tony]

I think the difference in scale between these protests and the anti-war protests is absolutely astonishing.

Just to clarify, you're talking about the unprecedentedly huge protests all over the world to protest Bush and his war, which went practically unnoticed on mainstream news media? And the ridiculous hype of the teabagging parties that we've been experiencing for weeks?

[Pro Libertate]

Naga,

That whole business is so bad that I'm surprised even our jaded, biased media isn't disturbed by it. Of course, if it's okay this time, I suppose it's okay when the next Republican government decides to track leftists in the same manner.

[GG]

Mark Knopfler - Boom Like That

[Naga Sadow]

Pro Lib,

So you're pro-militia? Rascist!!!

[Solana]

Not an anti-war libertarian in the bunch? Well, if you're anywhere near City Hall Park in Manhattan tonight between 7 and 9... you'll find at least one.

I'm torn between two signs: "Free Love, Free Markets" and "What would Ragnar do?"

I'm a little worried the Ragnar one will land me on a watch list of some sort, though.

[SugarFree]

That looks revolting! Shame on you for even posting knowledge of this catastrophe!

Your nausea is my pleasure. Mu-ha-ha.

[Pro Libertate]

Yeah, I'm screwed. I have a Culpeper flag on the front of my car, and my cognomen comes from the Wallace clan crest, which includes an arm holding a sword. And I comment on a known radical blog and blog for a "a widely-read [radical] culture site."

Of course, the fact that I'm not in a militia or even inclined that way is irrelevant, because my thinking remains unmutual.

[Solana]

Of course, the fact that I'm not in a militia or even inclined that way is irrelevant, because my thinking remains unmutual.

Right. Who cares about the Non-aggression principle? You hate the government! You need to be stopped!

[JP]

I celebrated Easter by having a Quarter Pounder Extra Value Meal(tm) at the McDonald's inside our local Wal-Mart.

As for the Tea Bag protest, I'm hoping to get out of the office early enough today to pop in on the local one.

[Pro Libertate]

I'm a known proponent of limited government, too. What could be more un-American?

Forgive me, Obama, for I have sinned.

[Obama]

Forgive me, Obama, for I have sinned.

Alright, 12 Our Fathers. And no more of this "I have a right to myself" baloney. You're forgiven. For now...

[Naga Sadow]

SugarFree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From hell's heart! I stab at thee!!!

[SugarFree]

I'm not interested in your old lady fetish, Naga.

[catMoses]

According to Paul Begala April 15 is Patriot's Day. If you protest you're insulting veterans and promoting cancer.

[SugarFree]

Paul Begala looks like a fetus.

[Naga Sadow]

SugarFree,

You gott get loose my friend. Expand your horizons. Don't knock it till you try it.

[P Brooks]

"known radical blog"

Awww, Jeez!

C'mon, Terry; you know I was just funnin' don't you.

Don't you?

*looks nervously out window*

[P Brooks]

Kiss my ass, Begala.

You fucking little statist puke.

[P Brooks]

I might consider buzzing up to the Statehouse, in Helena, to have my picture taken by the fuzz this afternoon, but it has been snowing for the past thirty-six hours; if not for the fact that the temp was hovering around 40 most of yesterday, there'd be a couple of feet of snow on the ground, instead of a measly six or eight inches.

I just don't feel like leaving the house.

Until the bar opens, anyway.

[js]

"I think the difference in scale between these protests and the anti-war protests is absolutely astonishing."

Well if you are going to protest taxes, you better protest the wars that are adding to them. So I'd expect more people at war protests than tax protests. The war protests will also have leftists, whereas the tax protests will just have all the non-leftists that were also at the war protests.

[PETE]

Prolib

"suppose it's okay when the next Republican government decides to track leftists in the same manner."

1) That report was commissioned and completed under the last admin. That it was released now, you might have an argument about that if not for

2) 2001 Report: Left-Wing Extremism, The Current Threat.

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=F19A08F3BAA926E390E3F69D23A9DEC8?purl=/780410-SHVVvq/native/

The GOPers on this site are too damn easy.

[JP]

If I weren't already planning to attend my local Tea Party, I definitely would after reading that load of self-righteous please-Sir-can-I-have-another load of crap from Begala.

[NAL]

Just to clarify, you're talking about the unprecedentedly huge protests all over the world to protest Bush and his war, which went practically unnoticed on mainstream news media? And the ridiculous hype of the teabagging parties that we've been experiencing for weeks?

I don't give a shit about the rest of the world.
Here in the U.S., seems like every war protest got national coverage even if only 12 people showed up.

As I understand it, liberals are planning to infiltrate the tea parties and hold up racist signs and/or stupid signs (misspellings, stupid wordings, etc.), so the news media will seek them out and make that the face of the tea party participants.

[John]

I love the heads I win tails you lose coverage of these things. On the one hand, they should be ignored because they are disorganized. When you respond that well they are disorganized because they are put on by pissed off amateurs instead of professional political assholes like ANSWER and that they are really widespread and well attened, the response is that they are some well organized evil plot by Republicans and Rush Limbaugh. Republicans only wish these things were partisan.

[John]

"As I understand it, liberals are planning to infiltrate the tea parties and hold up racist signs and/or stupid signs (misspellings, stupid wordings, etc.), so the news media will seek them out and make that the face of the tea party participants."

If that is true, that is some real fascist shit. That is exactly what the brownshirts used to do. No kidding.

[Warty]

Paul Begala has a supremely punchable face, doesn't he?

[PETE]

I like how Reason linked to the Washington Times' editorial about the DHS report as opposed to the report.

Here's what the report says:

"Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) [i.e. the Klan, Neo Nazis], and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely [i.e. militias]. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration. [i.e. people who blow up abortion clinics. The immigration one you've got me on. Maybe minutemen? Getting loose here, admittedly]"

Nowhere in the the report does it say anything about ALL anti-government people being terrorists.

Stop being butt-hurt.

[eric mack]

The funniest, smartest response so far, especially to the schlock-chocked 'Tea Party Anthem:'

http://tr.im/iTjn

[John]

Stop trying to highjack the thread Pete. You fucking troll. We had that thread yesterday. If you want to know the truth go read it. No one cares enough about your opinion to educate your dumb ass.

[PETE]

"As I understand it, liberals are planning to infiltrate the tea parties and hold up racist signs and/or stupid signs (misspellings, stupid wordings, etc.), so the news media will seek them out and make that the face of the tea party participants."

That is fucking hilarious. You are hilarious, man. This is based on what, exactly? A crazy Malkin post based on an anonymous message board post prompted by a paranoid chain email?

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Soros/ACORN axis as well.

Or maybe you took this seriously: http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/19772.html

[Warty]

People named PETE may be facetious fucknozzles. Not all of them, mind you.

[Pro Libertate]

PETE,

So, some report that got no press coverage and apparently had little to do with policy compares with the current situation? And I'm a GOP shill? I think one of us is shilling, and I know it ain't me.

I'm trying to remember where I said the last administration or Congress were the good guys. Oh, wait--I never did.

[Pro Libertate]

What I find fascinating are people who come here to discredit we "right wingers" (ha!) while simultaneously carrying the left-wing flag. How biased we are! How fascistic for being libertarians, and ipso facto on the right! What religious fanatics we must be!

Down with deregulation!

[John]

Hey Pete,

Dumbass that report you link to came out in April of 2001. Bush didn't take office until January 2001. It was done by a consultant at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. It is very unlikly that it was concieved and written entirely between January and April of 2001. The chances are overwelming that the report was commissioned and started before January 2001, which means it was commissioned by the Clinton Administration.

[PETE]

I'm not a troll. YOU'RE a troll. WAhhhhh!!!! Waahhhh!!! 🙁 🙁

For such a genius non-troll truth-knower, your retorts and comments are surprisingly substance free. Your intellect must be as tremendous as Rush Limbaugh's!

Also, to Pro Lib, I say again:

2001 Report: Left-Wing Extremism, The Current Threat.

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=F19A08F3BAA926E390E3F69D23A9DEC8?purl=/780410-SHVVvq/native/

Respond to the substance, please.

[John]

Read the date on the report dumbass. Chances are very high that that report was started under the Clinton Administration and finished under Bush.

[Pro Libertate]

PETE,

Okay, since the report was commissioned during the Clinton administration and wasn't connected to the equivalent of DHS at the time, how on earth is it (1) relevant and (2) indicative of any right-wing equivalent to the current stupidity? Let's recall that there was no apparent activity directed at leftists during the Bush years, though I imagine they did take some sort of action with environmental extremists (i.e., those who used force) and maybe some of the anti-war protesters. Perhaps they would've done more of that without 9/11, but the fact remains that this is far more troubling.

[Dawn Surber]

In less than two hours from now here in Sacramento, Neil Cavuto's lips will make contact with Michelle Malkin's hairy, shriveled sack.

Wolverines!

[R C Dean]

Just to clarify, you're talking about the unprecedentedly huge protests all over the world to protest Bush and his war, which went practically unnoticed on mainstream news media? And the ridiculous hype of the teabagging parties that we've been experiencing for weeks?

Tony, I don't give a fuck about what a bunch of foreigners think.

I do know that, in this country, it was the anti-war protests that were ridiculously overhyped, and that be comparison there has been a virtual news blackout on the Tea Parties.

So I'd expect more people at war protests than tax protests.

Yet, oddly, the opposite is true.

Now, I'd expect more press coverage of war protests than tax protests, because anti-Bushwar protests fit the Standard Narrative, but anti-Obamaspending protests do not.

Although I will admit coverage has been ramping up a little, but is still orders of magnitude below where it would be if the media was covering protests based on their scope, and not their agenda.

[Pro Libertate]

Also, since the paper was commissioned by Energy, it's likely that the concern was with so-called environmental terrorism. Or perhaps with the Chinese espionage concerns that characterized the late 90s.

Interesting that Kos tried to make hay out of this report. Of course, when you parrot facts from a partisan blog, you tend to ignore things like relevance. Anything to defend your guy's abuse of power. Maybe it would be smarter to oppose all abuses of power, whether they come from Democrats, Republicans, or, God forbid, libertarians.

[max hats]

Read the date on the report dumbass. Chances are very high that that report was started under the Clinton Administration and finished under Bush.

Uh, the Homeland Security Department did not exist under Clinton.

[Episiarch]

Hey PETE, maybe you should attack someone other than ProL, because you're not going to get much "right wing shill" traction with him. Still, you are entertaining, so keep going.

[John]

"Uh, the Homeland Security Department did not exist under Clinton."

It wasn't done by DHS. It was done by the Department of Energy. Read the damned report before posting. Are you people retarded?

[kevrob]

I will admit that I bicycled to my nearest McD's for breakfast. [2 biscuits w/egg, cheese & bacon for $3.]

Mmmmmmmmmmm.....

Bacon!

Kevin

[max hats]

Are we talking about the right wing group report or the left wing group report? I'm losing track over which one you are being outraged about. The right wing report was most definitely DHS.

[P Brooks]

I'll put this little tidbit on this thread, too- since the other one is pretty dead...

----

The Presidential Suit has declared war on Congress!

"It will take time to undo the damage of years of carve-outs and loopholes," Obama said. "But I want every American to know that we will rewrite the tax code so that it puts your interests over any special interest."

This should be fun.

[Pro Libertate]

Episiarch,

At last, I can reveal to the world my true identity: I am Dick Cheney!

max hats,

He was responding to Pete's red herring report commission by DoE in early 2001. It dealt with left-wing threats.

[John]

Max Hats,

The right wing report was done last week by DHS. The left wing one was done in April of 2001 by DOE. Since both of them came out near the start of the respective administrations, it is entirely possible that they were commissioned under the previous administration, although the DHS report is a routine report that DHS I&A puts out and could very well have been done in less than a month while the DOE report is not routine and was likely commissioned under Clinton. We don't know for sure on either one.

[JP]

The Presidential Suit has declared war on Congress!

To borrow from Apollo Creed's trainer in Rocky, "He doesn't think it's a damn fight! He thinks it's a damn show!"

[Episiarch]

At last, I can reveal to the world my true identity: I am Dick Cheney!

I knew you were a Dick!

[P Brooks]

It's not difficult for me to believe DHS, under the George W Peron administration, would see any group advocating limits on government power as radical extremists who need to be kept under careful scrutiny.

[SugarFree]

Is there a pithy psychiatric term for people who can only understand the world in zero-sum black and white, lacking any notion of nuance in belief systems? (And try not to be boring and say "libertarianism, hur hur.")

If not, I would like to suggest: Manichaeiosis.

[Pro Libertate]

Episiarch,

Don't force me to shoot you by accident on our next hunting trip. Cheneys are known to do that.

P Brooks,

Indeed. Nothing unifies Democrats and Republicans like their shared hatred for libertarians.

[JP]

Is there a pithy psychiatric term for people who can only understand the world in zero-sum black and white, lacking any notion of nuance in belief systems?

Engineers? 😉

[Episiarch]

Is there a pithy psychiatric term for people who can only understand the world in zero-sum black and white, lacking any notion of nuance in belief systems?

"Partisans"

You can thank me later.

[PETE]

Okay, if only DHS reports are allowed:

How about Jan 2009: http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/leftwing.pdf "Leftwing Extremists Likely to Increase Use of Cyber Attacks over the Coming Decade."

OH DEAR! I take personal offense at the DHS issuing reports about the "left wing"! Such an abuse of power to try and keeps tabs on domestic groups! [monocle falls off face, shatters on Italian marble floor]

But okay, for serious, I will go back and read that other thread to try and get an idea as to why exactly some of you think that creating such a report was "troubling."

You aren't saying DHS shouldn't be keeping tabs on extremists of the militia/White Nationalist variety, right? They should just be more careful in their wording and focused in their targets?

[Pro Libertate]

Collectively, the Nasitrap. Too bad partisan isn't spelled with a "z", because that would've been perfect.

[Forty-Two]

PETE's use of sarcasm is devastating.

Abandon hope, all ye who would cross him

[Episiarch]

PETE is a thermoplastic polymer resin of the polyester family and is used in synthetic fibers; beverage, food and other liquid containers; thermoforming applications; and engineering resins often in combination with glass fiber.

[ed]

What amuses me is that, at this very moment, when most of us appear to be drinking alcoholic beverages in our underwear, MSNBC interns are busily compiling data for Keith Olbermann's and Rachel Maddow's primetime yukfests, proving conclusively that the FOX News-inspired "tea-bag parties" have proved to be a colossal flop. Rachel just might cream her jeans tonight. Stay tuned.

[PETE]

Hey! I don't hate libertarians! I agree with them on lots of things!

Hopefully, some day soon, we can all meet on one of the "Drug War is Shitty" or "Criminal Justice System is Shitty" threads and all sing campfire songs and lament about the wasteful, corrupt engines behind these respective miscarriages!

Libertarians right now are sort of like White Sox fans before they won it all in 2005. Try to say you were "a White Sox fan" before August 05 or "against government waste and excessive taxation" before Jan 09 and you're met with lots of "Ohhhh SURE you were"s, which must be frustrating. I feel for you. Honest.

[Pro Libertate]

PETE,

Just to be fair, let me just say that I don't doubt that either party tends to see the other party's extremists as more threatening than their own. However, the latest report was disturbing, especially given its emphasis on political position, as opposed to association, say, with the Shining Path. A lot of the previous reports were focused on associations with international or foreign organizations (or with other countries).

I think this sort of thing is sad, regardless of which party is doing it. It makes a mockery of the freedoms of speech and association. If people are out training to take Congress hostage, then they're engaging in a conspiracy and can be arrested, tried, and convicted. But people who support limited government and don't have any love for what our government is today? Not enough to draw even a watchful eye. Not in a free society, anyway.

Taken with the blatant power grabs of this administration (like the games with the Census and trying to foist policies and programs on us by taking advantage of the "crisis"), I find this a little extra disturbing. Make no mistake--all of this wouldn't have been possible without the hard work of the Bush administration.

[Hazel Meade]

PETE should be one of the first to be teabagged when the Revolution comes.

[Episiarch]

No, gorilla mask.

[JP]

PETE should be one of the first to be teabagged when the Revolution comes.

I'm confused. I thought being teabagged was good. I though being to one who's forced to teabag (the "teabagger," if you will) was bad. ???

[PETE]

I eat my semen. It makes me strong.

[Episiarch]

JP, are you a chick or something? Dudes doing the gay stuff to other dudes aren't gay, but receiving the gay action is gay. Jesus, this is Infantile Guy Stuff 101. If you're gay, then you have an excuse...sort of.

[Prehensile]

"It wasn't done by DHS. It was done by the Department of Energy. Read the damned report before posting. Are you people retarded?"

Well she is a bigot, so, yeah.

[JP]

JP, are you a chick or something? Dudes doing the gay stuff to other dudes aren't gay, but receiving the gay action is gay. Jesus, this is Infantile Guy Stuff 101. If you're gay, then you have an excuse...sort of.

I'm not a chick or gay. But I am rather old. And apparently I don't know what people mean by "teabagging heh heh." I looked it up on Google but must've been misled.

[JW]

Hey! I don't hate libertarians! I agree with them on lots of things!

That would be a neat trick, since you obviously don't know what one is.

[SugarFree]

JP,

Just don't get it mixed up with wafing and you'll do fine.

Wafe

To place ones testicle or testicles inside the anus or vagina of his sexual partner. Similar terms include "bathing the dog" "the vagina fly trap". Variations include the "lego lock"; where one places one testicle in the rectum while simultaneously placing the other free testicle in the vagina. Or the "bubble bath" where the both testicles are placed into the vagina or ass and queefed or farted on.

[Episiarch]

Teabagging.

Also, for the Always Sunny connection, gorilla mask (definition 4).

[JW]

Also, for the Always Sunny connection, gorilla mask (definition 4).

Reading the other definitions, I'm clearly not hanging out with enough of the right type of low-life scumbags. WTF?

[JP]

Ahah! OK, thanks for the info. It all makes sense now. I agree with Hazel.

[Jeff P]

(anxiously pops head in door)
Teabag? Who said Teabag?

[Episiarch]

JW, if you think that's bad, try donkey punch (note the Aqua Teen connection), strawberry shortcake, or spacedock.

[JW]

Urk...I don't think I'll be in my bunk for a while.

[Jeff P]

Just want to state that Jennifer and I do not require kinky preparation for coitus. Our foreplay is exciting. She plucks my hairs from that spot I can't reach and I swab her back with witch hazel.

Our sex tape will be leaked shortly.

[Pro Libertate]

Jeff P,

Three words: Orion Slave Girl.

[Jeff P]

PL: It is said no man can resist them...

[Pro Libertate]

I've heard that.

[Alligator Fuckhouse]

"JW, if you think that's bad, try donkey punch (note the Aqua Teen connection), strawberry shortcake, or spacedock."

Child's play.

[Jeff P]

Terms I've just made up:

Scrubbing the Baptismal
Worfing
Garlic Pressing

[Gabe]

I just got back from the Boston teaparty on my long lunch break. There were over 1000 people there. To make gross generalizations, it seemed there were about 25% Rothbardians, 35% Infowarriors (although many were mixed)...and 40% other. Lots of "End the Fed signs" and "Congress is a toxic asset". Cody Willard showed up with a Fox News camera. We interrupted one of his interviews with a 10 person "End the Fed" chants. Nice to meet some likeminded people who work int he same neighborhood.

Almost everyone was aware that Bush sux about as bad as Obama.

The funniest moment for me was when 6 people were discussing different Rothbard books when a guy came up to hand out "flat tax" pamphlets. The sales pitch did not go well.

[Tony]

Tony, I don't give a fuck about what a bunch of foreigners think.

Yeah that attitude has done wonders for our country.

I do know that, in this country, it was the anti-war protests that were ridiculously overhyped, and that be comparison there has been a virtual news blackout on the Tea Parties.

Here is a list of the protests of the Iraq War.

All I can see on TV today is teabagging. Teabagging everywhere. FOX news has been promoting teabagging for weeks on end. And in the end it's just a bunch of fringe people who don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting. The scale of the Iraq War protests was in many cases unprecedented. And I watched the news. They were not covered adequately by any stretch of the imagination.

[gabe]

"And in the end it's just a bunch of fringe people who don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting."

dude, we are protesting the government. You would have to have the attention span of a gnat to miss that.

[Tony]

dude, we are protesting the government. You would have to have the attention span of a gnat to miss that.

*headsmack*

[Gabe]

I might have met joe boyle at the teaparty. Two guys were carrying Obama Biden posters. When I asked if they were in favor of wiretapping, they said no and they weren't either just "that national security was a valid reason to not allow it to go to court". When I asked about their view on bombing pakistanis they denied it happened and started accusing me of being in favor of the war last year...

[Tony]

You people do know that a sizable majority in this country approves of Obama and the actions he's taking?

You guys act as if Joe is the only Obama supporter in the world.

[P Brooks]

You people do know that a sizable majority in this country approves of Obama and the actions he's taking?

I blame the NEA.

[T]

You guys act as if Joe is the only Obama supporter in the world.

Well, now there's you, so we're up to 2 that come around here.

[Hazel Meade]

You people do know that a sizable majority in this country approves of Obama and the actions he's taking?

Bush had 90% approval ratings after 9/11.
A sizable majority approved of the iraq war.

[Tony]

Bush had 90% approval ratings after 9/11.
A sizable majority approved of the iraq war.

What's your point? That majorities are always wrong?

[gabe]

Most people who support Obama are just average public school "product".

About 20% of the US population are functionally illiterate; for some subsets(obama supporters) of our population, that rises to 40%.
Source

Nearly 50% of the Americans surveyed cannot read well enough to find a single piece of information in a short publication, nor can they make low level inferences based on what they read.

Now Joe is definitely in the top 50% and he displayed a good solid understanding of many of the bad things Republicans did the last 8 years.

Tony and Joe are two of the only people I have communicated with who can understand that Bush was bad yet show an amazing ability to not see anything wrong with what Obama does.

[highnumber]

Most people who support Obama are just average public school "product".

I'd bet that the majority of _______'s supporters are, too.

Frankly, I don't care if I'm standing with a sea of C students who can't read a TV guide, if they're right.

[SIV]

GOVERNOR SAYS TEXAS CAN LEAVE THE UNION IF IT WANTS

I'm already whistling Dixie !

[Tony]

Most people who support Obama are just average public school "product".

And Republican supporters are all fuckin Isaac Newtons.

Tony and Joe are two of the only people I have communicated with who can understand that Bush was bad yet show an amazing ability to not see anything wrong with what Obama does.

Perhaps you missed the discussion where I explained my opposition to some Obama policies and linked to mainstream liberal sites that universally oppose some of them.

But just because we aren't crying "tyranny! socialism!" at his economic policies doesn't make us hypocrites. We're liberals. We believe in his general approach to the economy (with lots of caveats on the specifics).

[Hazel Meade]

Tony, when the anti-war crowd was a small minority of the country (much smaller than the anti-tax crowd is today, btw), how did they react to "The majority of the country disagrees with you, and supports Pres. Bush, so STFU! You're all idiots!"?
Isn't a bit hypocritical for you now to be saying the EXACT SAME THING?

You protest things you disagree with ESPECIALLY when you're a minority. When your a majority, you don't NEED to protest.

Only popular ideas can be dangerous. Hence the need to not critically accept whatever the majorty support.

[Hezel Meade]

Er. not *uncritically* accept whatever the majority supports.

[KyleG]

I stopped by the Denver tea party for about an hour or so. The "Teabag Pelosi" sign was pretty awesome.

[mark]

I just reject it out of hand. Argumentum contra majorum.

[JB]

For PETE and all the other retarded liberals, there were actually retarded liberals that showed up to the DC protest in tuxes and complained that 'we billionaires don't want any more taxes'.

I shouted them down with chants of 'limousine liberals' and kept asking them when Teddy Kennedy and his limo were going to pick them up.

Bunch of retarded twats. They can write a check to the US Treasury for whatever they want to pay in taxes. But that isn't the issue. They want to stick a gun to my head and take my property from me by force. Well, fuck them and they better pray every day when they wake up that isn't the day I decide to take that gun from them, pistol whip them with it, then proceed to torture them before killing them slowly.

Anyone who thinks they can point a gun at me and get away with it deserves to be tortured to death.

[Tony]

I don't think JB got the joke.

[Mike in PA]

Just to get back on track here...

Does it piss off anyone else to see Republicans cozying up to these protests?

Reminds me of the "nobles" in that Braveheart movie pretending like they were supporting the rebellion.

[kevrob]

We're liberals.* We believe in his general approach to the economy (with lots of caveats on the specifics). - Tony

* Italics are mine.

No, Tony, you aren't. At best you are a "social democrat", in European parlance. Liberal is a term that has become all but meaningless, as the Progressives, New Dealers, Great Society types and the identity-politics crowd have leeched the root of the word - liberty - from it.

We libertarians had to adopt a different term for ourselves, since, if we rightly called ourselves liberals, we always had to qualify that we were the "classical" kind. Liberal =/ statist, and folks who back policies like the ones Obama is pushing are in favor of greater state power. Mind you, I'd put both Bushes and even Reagan down as statists, and it isn't impossible that, on balance, Barack will be less statist than W. We shall see. But don't try to march under the flag of liberalism. That won't fly.

Kevin

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