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Another Isolated Incident

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But not a drug raid.  A prostitution raid.

It was a little before 8 at night when the breaker went out at Emily Milburn's home in Galveston. She was busy preparing her children for school the next day, so she asked her 12-year-old daughter, Dymond, to pop outside and turn the switch back on.

As Dymond headed toward the breaker, a blue van drove up and three men jumped out rushing toward her. One of them grabbed her saying, "You're a prostitute. You're coming with me."

Dymond grabbed onto a tree and started screaming, "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy." One of the men covered her mouth. Two of the men beat her about the face and throat.

As it turned out, the three men were plain-clothed Galveston police officers who had been called to the area regarding three white prostitutes soliciting a white man and a black drug dealer.

All this is according to a lawsuit filed in Galveston federal court by Milburn against the officers. The lawsuit alleges that the officers thought Dymond, an African-American, was a hooker due to the "tight shorts" she was wearing, despite not fitting the racial description of any of the female suspects. The police went to the wrong house, two blocks away from the area of the reported illegal activity…

So you'd think that after the police figured out they had the wrong house, they'd apologize, and possibly even compensate the girl and her family. According to the lawsuit, you'd be wrong:

After the incident, Dymond was hospitalized and suffered black eyes as well as throat and ear drum injuries.

Three weeks later, according to the lawsuit, police went to Dymond's school, where she was an honor student, and arrested her for assaulting a public servant. Griffin says the allegations stem from when Dymond fought back against the three men who were trying to take her from her home. The case went to trial, but the judge declared it a mistrial on the first day, says Griffin. The new trial is set for February.

I have a call into the Galveston district attorney and with Dymond Milburn's lawyer. We're going on a press account of one side of a lawsuit, here.  So it's possible—and I would hope—that there are some important details missing.

Otherwise, a police mistake leads to an innocent 12-year-old getting violently snatched up and roughed up by a group of plainclothes cops jumping out of a van . . . and they charge her for resisting?

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  1. Merry fucking christmas.

    1. NO they were granted summary judgement and it was dismissed. The district court said that while her conduct was not initially illegal the act of jumping in the hedges (on her own property) when confronted by individuals claiming to be police (not sure if they were in uniform or not) was “suspicious” and that under Texas law that allowed them to come onto her property and perform a terry stop.

      http://docs.justia.com/cases/f…..603449/53/

  2. Michael Addison shouldn’t get the death penalty; he should get a medal.

  3. Fast forward a few months:

    The results of the Internal Affairs investigation reveals no violations by the officers or the police department involved and all procedures were properly followed.

    Dymond is in juvy because she refused to plead guilty to lesser charges.

    10:1 odds.

  4. If justice is not done, we must declare the rule of law and the Constitution dead and buried, and all rights pledged in that document return to the people — including the right to defend those rights and institute a new regime.

  5. What.
    The.
    FUCK?

    Oooooooh, professionalism in douchbaggery. That’s what Scalia was going on about!

  6. ktc2,

    No bet.

  7. The results of the Internal Affairs investigation reveals no violations by the officers or the police department involved and all procedures were properly followed.

    Just talked to the Houston Press reporter who wrote the linked story.

    Internal Affairs has already cleared the officers who snatched her up.

  8. The lawsuit alleges that the officers thought Dymond, an African-American

    Are we still using that worn-out, clunky phrase? What happened to good ol’ black? I say it all the time; I also call my friends “crackers”…even if they’re black, so I might not be the best resource.

  9. no joking — this update was just given on the blog Radley linked to:

    Update: This is from the officers’ lawyer, William Helfand:

    Both the daughter and the father were arrested for assaulting a peace officer. “The father basically attacked police officers as they were trying to take the daughter into custody after she ran off.”

    Also, “The city has investigated the matter and found that the conduct of the police officers was appropriate under the circumstances,” Helfand says. “It’s unfortunate that sometimes police officers have to use force against people who are using force against them. And the evidence will show that both these folks violated the law and forcefully resisted arrest.”

  10. oh…Radley scooped me…

    but on the real topic at hand: FUCK THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS

  11. Internal Affairs has already cleared the officers who snatched her up.

    Boo. Sue the department for Battery and False Imprisonment. And if we can Fluffy off of the anti-IIED, train, sue for that, too.

  12. Out of all the “crimes” that make no sense at all, “resisting” has to rank up there.

    How can someone be charged for resisting an arrest when there was no basis for arrest in the first place?

    And if there is no basis for arrest and obviously in this case there wasn’t, the police were attackers committing a physical assault just like any “civilian.”

    This is a girl who was assaulted ( and a victim of child abuse, no less- and probably sexual assault on a minor) at her home at night and resisted her attackers.

    They are lucky Daddy didn’t hear the scream and blow their fucking heads off with a shotgun.

  13. Internal Affairs has already cleared the officers who snatched her up

    Well, THAT didn’t take long. Just long enough to ink up the rubber stamp.

  14. and according to the story, the officers were PLAIN-CLOTHES! So I guess the moral is just let yourself be kidnapped in the off chance that they are cops.

  15. The lawsuit alleges that the officers thought Dymond, an African-American, was a hooker due to the “tight shorts” she was wearing

    Right. The shorts. That’s why they thought she was a prostitute.

  16. Assault& battery
    Sexual assault on a minor
    Child Abuse
    Kidnapping

    If they were “civilians” I’m sure we could add a few more…

    But
    these folks violated the law and forcefully resisted arrest.”

    Armed thugs attempt to KIDNAP a 12 year old girl who is not s suspect in any crime and she and her parents are criminals for protecting her.. Give me a fucking break..See shotgun comment above.

  17. It’s for the children!

  18. One of them grabbed her saying, “You’re a prostitute. You’re coming with me.”

    Prostitution is a misdemeanor. Unless she was actively soliciting (keep in mind I know she’s not a prostitute), but if she were, doesn’t she have to be actively soliciting before it becomes a “breach of the peace” offense? Or is walking down the street in tight shorts sufficient now?

  19. Right. The shorts. That’s why they thought she was a prostitute.

    Oh ho, *zing*.

    Although I would say that for my money, the type of dress is more evidence than race.

  20. Exactly DR. If someone says “police” before they grab you, assume it’s the truth. Make sure all your 12 yr old daughters know that, lest they take their chances with a beating and a police record.

    FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

  21. But they probably TOLD her they were the police. Just because they came out of an unmarked van, and were plainclothed doesn’t mean you can just assume they’re lying! They’re the police afterall. No one would lie about that.

  22. Silentz,

    I’ve done it.

  23. all you libertarians are always complaining that police dont wait until people come out of their house to arrest them well they did this time and look what happened the perp didnt cooperate big surprise!!!

  24. Not that her attire needs defending, but most people ( that I know anyway)tend to dress down when they are hanging around the house. Shorts & t-shirt, bath robe, underwear, whatever. Depending on the weather and location, one might even run outside nude and not think anything of it.

    A black 12 year old looks like a white prostitute because of her shorts. right.

    There is just not a single statement by the thugs or their lawyers/employer that makes any sense at all.

  25. Why the fuck would any prosecutor push this forward?

    Would you really want to “win” this?

  26. I would imagine approximately 1/3 of cops are evil, 1/3 incompetent (which is where most of the problems we see come from, I think), and 1/3 are good, well meaning LEOs.

  27. ted,

    I hope someone in a blue or black uniform kicks in your door. Hell, throws a flash bang through your window too.

  28. Un-fucking-believable. What else can you say?

  29. If some cops beat my daughter about the face and throat leaving her with black eyes (and then had the fucking nerve to arrest her for resisting!) I can assure you a lawsuit and IA investigation would be the least of their worries. I would find a way to appropriately retaliate against those fucking douchebags. And by appropriate I mean sufficiently debilitating that they wouldn’t be raiding any homes that didn’t have a wheelchair ramps.

  30. Naga,

    I think your sarcasm indicator is broken.

  31. Someone who says “You’re a prostitute, come with me” could be a pimp, a sex slave trader, a John ( but not a John C. Jackson).

    And I hope I don’t need to explain the difference between serving a search warrant to a known suspect when he leaves the house and kidnapping an unknown 12 year old child that does not resemble any suspect.

  32. anony,

    I dont have a daughter, but if I did, they would have never left the yard alive. Or I wouldnt have.

  33. Cut the cops some slack, will you?

    They’re out there putting their lives on the line protecting drug dealers from being solicited by prostitutes.

  34. A win is a win, they have no shame.

  35. Every day the stories of police malfeasance here just make me angrier. I might have to stop reading for awhile to maintain just a little Christmas cheer.

    Fuck.

    Is SOP for arresting prostitutes really grabbing them and throwing them in a van? How about “I’m a police officer and you’re under arrest?” How about that? Are we in the era of hyperviolent street prostitutes who can only be taken in by surprise and superior numbers? You’ve got to be kidding me. And she’s twelve. Fuck.

  36. The lawsuit alleges that the officers thought Dymond, an African-American, was a hooker due to the “tight shorts” she was wearing.

    And all this time I thought that Chief Wiggums was just ripping good satire, proving once again that truth is always WAY stranger than fiction.

  37. robc,

    Oh. Sorry ted. Edward/Lefiti is being a douche bag on another thread.

  38. Not that it changes the underlying circumstances, but this is in the original:

    Since the incident more than two years ago,

    Meaning, it wasn’t like a matter of hours that the police were acquitted. You know it would happen, but they should at least wait a few days for appearances.


    I don’t have a daughter, but if I did, they would have never left the yard alive. Or I wouldn’t have.

    Yeah, I kind of feel the same way, and I have two daughters and some pretty good firepower at hand. I’d have been fucked over worse than Ryan Frederick, but if you don’t know, you gotta do what you need to, it’s your daughter.

  39. Presumably plain cloths officers wear plain clothes to avoid being immediately recognized as police. And yet they expect immediate compliance with their crazy violent attempt to capture a little girl?

    The standard ought to be, it seems to me, that no one should be expected to believe that someone is police until they see a badge and photo ID.

  40. If she really was a 12 year old prostitute, Im thinking there are better things to do than surprise arrest. Like, get her into a good shelter and then get her foster parents/counseling.

  41. “””I dont have a daughter, but if I did, they would have never left the yard alive. Or I wouldnt have.””””

    The cops are lucky they weren’t shot. I guess I should say, the father and the cops are lucky the father didn’t shoot.

  42. Isn’t that Ron Paul’s district? Even though a lowly congressmen, it seems to me he’s in a position to make a big stink about this.

  43. My brain is consumed by fiery rage that has rendered me unable to politely express my thoughts.

    Wrong fucking race, wrong fucking block and goddamed internal affairs, cover-up cocksuckers that they are, clears them. Fuck, fuck, goddammit and fuck! Some Galveston cops, including whatever malfeasant asshole signed the internal affairs report, need to lose their jobs AT A MINIMUM! No severence pay, no pension, no hiring recommendations should just be the beginning of what these unconscionable pieces of shit get!

    GRRRR!

  44. The case went to trial, but the judge declared it a mistrial on the first day, says Griffin.

    Hmmm.

    You don’t suppose he looked at open shock and outrage on the faces in the jury box, and just threw in the towel, do you? What do you bet they claim the jury pool is “tainted” and opt for a bench trial, next time?

  45. The standard ought to be, it seems to me, that no one should be expected to believe that someone is police until they see a badge and photo ID.

    You arent even required to pull over for police on the road until you can get to a “safe” area in case its a fake cop pulling you over. I dont see how this is any different. Until you prove you are a cop, you are a kidnapper.

  46. And so fucking what if she was a streetwalker? That ain’t no way to treat the fairer sex. What a bunch of cowardly douchebags.

    Cop wife: How was work today.

    Galveston cop: Great! I got to beat up some defenseless women again! It was dangerous though, those twelve year olds are so tough. I took three of us to take her down.

    Cop wife: My hero!

  47. Ted,
    I think libertarians are far more concerned with the officers’ reasons for arresting peaceful civilians in the first place (see: War on Drugs and nonviolent offenders) than we are with the location of the arrest.

    By the way, as stated in the article above, the “perp” was in fact not a criminal at all. She was a 12 year old girl in her parents’ front yard.

    I guess you’re right though. Soon the Gestapo will be showing up to arrest us for thought crimes, so Americans should just learn to bend over and “cooperate.”

  48. For fuck’s sake, “ted” is Reinmoose making a joke. Which I thoroughly appreciate because stories like this are too enraging otherwise.

  49. Tell me again why it’s inappropriate/in bad taste etc. to openly talk about shooting the fuckers? Freedom doesn’t go away in a coup with obvious bad guys and good guys like in the movies. It goes away like this. The water is boiling guys…
    -K

  50. Maybe one reason they’re waiting so long for this poor girl’s trial is to give her figure a chance to fill out, so these vile cops aren’t accused of pedophilia for manhandling a skinny 12-year-old.

    When I was twelve, any pair of shorts I owned for more than a month became “tight shorts” just because I was growing so fast. Fortunately, I never underwent the trauma of large, scary men coming into my yard, calling me a prostitute and beating the crap out of me.

  51. Why the fuck would any prosecutor push this forward?

    Habitually covering up for the cops fuckups makes you stoopid?

  52. Too fucking true, ted. If she had been in her house, who knows what kind of prostitute-y attire she could have been in, thereby further cementing her guilt. Next time: no-knock raid, fellas. Lesson learned.

    But, seriously, is it necessary to hospitalize a twelve year old girl? Rhetorical question, I guess.

  53. Jennifer,

    Unless you’re into that sorta thing.

  54. is it necessary to hospitalize a twelve year old girl?

    You can’t be too careful.

    If they hadn’t wanted to cop a cheap feel, they would have stood back and tased her.

  55. Why doesn’t shit like this get national media attention? We get all outraged because the governor of Illinois was caught doing something politicians do all the time, but holy crap, don’t talk about our national heros as though they did something other than with 100% honor!!

  56. I wish this story was an unfunny joke or something, it’s just so fucked.

    The LEOs are acting as bullies. The responses of some of you indicate that you probably have the resources and will to seek retribution for this incident. Obviously the LEOs “pick on” folks that cannot or will not seek proper retribution. (although that adjunct mayor case confuses me)

    I’m not frequently in contact with any police officers, but given my location and demographic info, I’m not likely to. The LEOs engage in a significant amount of profiling that sets up this whole scenario.

    Also, keep in mind, I have no clue what I’m talking about. Fuck tha’ police!

  57. Even accepting this was an “honest mistake” (which is a stretch) what ever happened to “We made a mistake, we’re sorry”?

    What the fuck, charging a TWELVE YEAR OLD with resisting arrest.

    These fucking cops are not just stupid and/or delusional. They’re fucking pussies too.

    I know, somone needs to get their pictures on a billboard with the words:

    “I’m a cop. I got beaten up by a TWELVE YEAR OLD GIRL. But I showed her, I blacked both her eyes.”

  58. I believe that the father would have been well within his rights to shoot these scum even if he was aware that they were cops. Something like this is unacceptable and he is morally obligated to protect her reguardless of the occupation of her attackers.

  59. I bet there are pimps that treat hookers better than these pigs.

  60. I do believe this case emphasizes the need for community oversight boards in regards to the police. Those with the power to use force need to be subject to having that power taken away by an independent arbiter…at it is best if that arbiter is one who might benefit from the application of that force, or be harmed by its abuse.

    I am surprised at the girl being charged with resisting, but not so much with the father being charged if he manhandled some cops. The concept of a monopoly on force and all requires it. Details, of course matter, but Dad may have had other options, particularly if the cops identified themselves during the incident. If he found out they were cops and continued to attack, the prosecutor may not be off his rocker.

    Details matter, and I ain’t seeing enough here to get beyond skeptical of claims from both sides.

  61. Jennifer,

    Unless you’re into that sorta thing.

    I’m not even making jokes about this. Twelve years old, at home, sent out into the yard to do an ordinary little chore like turning on a breaker, and then the whole thing explodes into a nightmare with three grown men grabbing you, putting their hands over your mouth, and beating you about the face badly enough to get two black eyes, and throat and eardrum injuries?

    Goddamned sociopaths.

  62. Troy, well of course. I’m sure there are plenty of pimps that manage their hookers with coutesy and compassion, just like there are LEOs that have the ability to exercise sound judgment.

  63. The cops are lucky they weren’t shot. I guess I should say, the father and the cops are lucky the father didn’t shoot.

    That’s kind of what I was trying to say. I would consider it almost an expected reaction for the father to reign some kind of deadly force upon their skulls. To not do so would be, well, un father-like. Hence, in that position, I would be more fucked than Ryan Frederick, as I would either be dead or in jail with 3-4 dead plainclothes cops in the ground, with the only possible upside that my jail mates may consider me some kind of a folk hero or something. Having not ever had the pleasure of an official visit, I don’t know, does prison work that way? Doesn’t really matter.

    I’m not even making jokes about this.

    As well you shouldn’t. Did you read how she’s had nightmares about police cutting her fingers off for two years?

  64. I am disgusted about the public reaction to this too.

    I a sane and just world the citizens of Galveston of all races and creeds would be in from of the courthouse with buckets of tar and bags of feathers and a rail for someone to ride out of town on if another public official tries to bring any more harm to this girl.

    For the love of an all merciful God, you people she’s a child, she’s only TWELVE YEARS OLD. You do not arrest TWELVE YEAR OLD girls for being frightened.

  65. Details matter, and I ain’t seeing enough here to get beyond skeptical of claims from both sides.

    I don’t think they do. They were at the wrong house and attacked a twelve year-old girl. The father should have attacked them no matter who they were.

  66. The lawsuit alleges that the officers thought Dymond, an African-American, was a hooker due to the “tight shorts” she was wearing, despite not fitting the racial description of any of the female suspects.

    That might be the most mind blowing sentance i have ever read.

  67. Jennifer,

    Sorry for the disrespect. I agree with you.

  68. Now I know that if I ever want to mug someone, I will just shout “Police!!” as I’m beating the fuck out of them. They will be too scared to fight back since they will just get worse charges later, on top of their beating.

  69. Radley:

    In all seriousness, if/when the cops or prosecutors return your call, ask them outright, “Are you saying that if strange men in civilian clothes step out of a van and tell a young girl ‘We’re cops, come with me,’ the girl is legally obligated to go with them?” If they say no, then ask why this girl is being prosecuted. If they say yes, then ask why he police are trying to turn Galveston into a kidnappers’ paradise.

    Chances are they will give some rambling answer that is neither “no” nor “yes,” but whatever they do tell you will make for a good, if infuriating, story. I would also quote them exactly, with every “um” and “er” and “ahem” lovingly noted.

  70. Neu Mejican

    I realize you’re trying to be the voice of reason here with the, “…but Dad may have had other options…”, but for the father there is a state of mind defense here.

    Any reasonable father would attack the attackers manhandling his TWELVE YEAR OLD daughter whether he knew the aggressors were cops or not.

    There is such a thing as the law being an ass. And this time it’s being about the shittiest one possible.

  71. MikeB | December 18, 2008, 4:07pm | #
    Details matter, and I ain’t seeing enough here to get beyond skeptical of claims from both sides.

    I don’t think they do. They were at the wrong house and attacked a twelve year-old girl. The father should have attacked them no matter who they were.

    Well then, I guess I wouldn’t want you on a jury if I was ever wrongly accused of something.

    You do realize that all the information here comes from the party bringing the law suit, right? You realize that they may have an incentive to exaggerate, right?

    I am not defending the cops here, I am saying that a one-sided account of a dispute is hardly enough to make a decision about the merits of a particular person’s actions.

    Details, of course, actually do matter.

    Law suit claims the cops simply yelled “You’re a prostitute.” Might be true. What also might be true is that the cops first yelled. “Police, you are under arrest” or some such thing…

    The assumption that excessive force was used initially goes against a basic principle in our society that one is considered innocent until proven guilty.

    As much as I love JsubD’s visceral reaction here…it assumes that the incident happened as described.

    I am skeptical.

  72. Internal affairs srtikes again. We need citizen review boards in EVERY locality. Certainly liberals and libertarians can unite behind this and ram it down the cop loving conservatives throats in this nation. WTF?

  73. I second Jennifer’s request

    They don’t teach fucking police compliance and undercover tactics in elementary school. Police are the people who help us when we are in danger – not those that cause us harm. I’m maybe a little surprised she didn’t call out for the police, or something structured like “fire” or “rape” or something.

  74. A bet a dozen doughnuts that at least one of those pigs was over 6 foot tall. A bet another dozen that they all have small dicks.

  75. Institute for Justice needs to set up a division to represent these kinds of victims.
    Radley, sit down with IJ and get the ball rolling. I’m sure a lot of us would like to contribute, be watchdogs for this kind of shit in our community, and even travel to protest outside courthouses. And the NAACP and ACLU and the LP, etc. etc. need to get off their asses and make sure out of control cops get busted, jailed, fined or whatever else is appropriate.

  76. Oh, and I guess when I said about when they stopped locking up crazy people years ago they just turned arond and ran for office I was wrong, some of the became cops and prosecutors.

  77. Hey Radley, can you get Ron Paul on this case? This *must* be in or near his district.

  78. If the sole source claimed the police subsequently built a bonfire in the yard, and cooked and ate her, I would be sceptical. This story is believable.

    Why do you suppose that is?

  79. Isaac,

    Of course, that seems like a reasonable defense if things went down as described in the article.

    A jury should hear both sides and make a call. If it turns out that the prosecutor is bringing a frivolous suit to protect bad acting cops, sanctions should follow…yadda yadda.

    But, come one folks, critical reading of media accounts is required if you are to navigate the world. Don’t just swallow everything you read here because it fits so nicely into your preconceived notion of how cops behave.

    Remember, Reason, god love it, has an agenda which, in part, depends upon demonstrating that government act harmfully and incompetently. As a result, they cherry pick stories to fit that narrative. I will give props to RB for, at least, highlighting the fact that there may be more going on here. I do note, however, that he decided to post the story PRIOR to getting all the facts.

  80. What this means is…if RB were writing for the newspaper I used to be an editor for, and came to me with this story…I would have said, “Looks good. Confirm the facts through an independent source, and we’ll post it. But right now, all you’ve got is an accusation. No facts.”

  81. .. the monthly magazine of the NRA has a column that lists recent events where a firearm has stopped someone from being harmed .. you never hear about any of those stories in the “major” media either but over the years people outside of the NRA hear about them and it might change a few minds .. I feel that Radley is providing this same service and I offer a hearty “keep up the good work”!!

    .. Hobbit

  82. Words almost fail me on this one…

    Yeah, there might be another side to this story, but it would have to be pretty damned amazing to outweigh the outrage of what we’ve heard so far.

    To me, the biggest villain in this is the prosecutor who is going after the girl and her father. I hope he has to drink himself to sleep…

  83. NM –
    I hear you. But I gotta side with P Brooks here.

    Also, what possible alternative story can you imagine the police releasing that would sufficiently counter the charge by the 12-year-old’s family enough that we’d say “oh, well clearly they were at fault and need to be arrested?”

  84. This story is believable.

    Why do you suppose that is?

    Because it is artfully painted in broad enough strokes, with vague enough details that you fill in the gaps with your preconceptions about the characters in the morality play?

  85. NM

    Given the amount of proven police and prosecutorial misconduct taking the plaintiffs claims at face value is not in the least unreasonable.

  86. what possible alternative story can you imagine the police releasing that would sufficiently counter the charge by the 12-year-old’s family enough that we’d say “oh, well clearly they were at fault and need to be arrested?”

    I have a good imagination. I can come up with plenty of alternate versions of the story that lead to that conclusion.

    Most involve there being a break in the action whereby the police informed the citizens of who they were, what they were doing, and that the reaction of the citizen was the initiation of violence to prevent them from carrying out their job.

    The details about how force was initiated are the ones that are missing here.

  87. The concept of a monopoly on force and all requires it. Details, of course matter, but Dad may have had other options, particularly if the cops identified themselves during the incident. If he found out they were cops and continued to attack, the prosecutor may not be off his rocker.

    Just take it, right? Some guys beat up your daughter on your own fucking property and dad is supposed to think “He’s a cop and has special rights that you and I, who after all are just lowly “civilians”, little people, don’t? You shouldn’t stop strangers from fucking assaulting your own daughter because they claim to be police?

    You’d make a good slave with that attitude.

  88. Because it is artfully painted in broad enough strokes

    I suppose she could have been startled to see a stranger walking slowly toward her, saying, “I’m a police officer. I’d like to ask you a few questions.”

    So startled, she ran full speed into a tree, knocking herself senseless, and blacking both of her eyes. And then she might have dreamed that she was sucked up into a tornado, and deposited in a bizarre land, with witches, dancing scarecrows, and talking lions.

  89. Isaac,

    People here are taking a third hand accounting of the details of a lawsuit as if it was the truth.

    A little bit of skepticism is warranted.

  90. JsubD,

    Some guys beat up your daughter on your own fucking property and dad is supposed to think “He’s a cop and has special rights that you and I, who after all are just lowly “civilians”, little people, don’t? You shouldn’t stop strangers from fucking assaulting your own daughter because they claim to be police?

    You’d make a good slave with that attitude.

    Fuck off.

    Your version of this story is, at best, a fantasy.

    In my statement, I am assuming that the circumstances are sufficiently different that your scenario does not hold.

    So, yeah, fuck off.

  91. Even accepting this was an “honest mistake” (which is a stretch) what ever happened to “We made a mistake, we’re sorry”?

    Hahahahahahahahaha! You really think that was a possibility? That’s cute.

  92. NM –
    In your scenerio I can at best (at best) see cause for having a beef with the father. But the 12 year old? Come on – assaulting a public servent? Sounds more like someone’s looking for personal revenge on that one.

  93. Accepting as true the following facts:

    * Miss Milburn was surprised at the time of the initial arrest.
    * Miss Milburn was subsequently released and not charged with prostitution related offenses.
    * Three weeks later the police came and rearrested her at school

    You can take it as a given that the resisting charge is a putative measure taken because the Milburn family wasn’t cooperatively acceding to being mistreated.

    The public arrest was meant to embarrass her, to show her—and everyone else—the cost or opposing the police.

  94. The details about how force was initiated are the ones that are missing here.

    Considering the propensity for the police to lie in order to cover up what we might charitably call their utter stupidity, I am prediposed to believe the girl’s story. Predisposed– I admit it.

    “How force was initiated” on the part of the father probably did not involve a significant degree of circumspection.

    If that girl had been Mayor of Houston, you’d probably still be saying, “Let’s wait until the facts are all in.”

  95. See, this is why Neu usually irks me more than goofballs like leftitti.

    As for me, a cop’s account is always suspect for the same reason a “perp” is innocent until proven guilty.

  96. In my statement, I am assuming that the circumstances are sufficiently different that your scenario does not hold.

    So what circumstances do you imagine that justify sending a 12-year-old honor student to the hospital with black eyes and throat and eardrum injuries? You think maybe the cops were looking for a mass murderer, not a prostitute, and the child is one of those super-Amazon 12-year-old girls that would make three grown men have to respond with such violence for fear of their personal safety?

  97. Neu, when Kathryn Johnston was murdered in Atlanta, I called every fucking bit of it* right. Right down to the rubber stamp warrant and planted drugs.

    Maybe I should have given the fine boys in blue from Atlanta “the benefit of the doubt”, but I just assumed they were lying assholes.

    Me. White. Middle class. Career military. Never been arrested. Have gotten away with more tickets than paid.

    Why would I be so judgemental about the law enforcement system? Oh yeah, I read and connect dots. I’ve talked to cops when they’ve let their guard down. I have a relative who was a cop and quit.

    Wanna make a bet on this one? I bet the settlement for the wronged family is seven or eight figures. Loser reads Lonewacko links for a month and makes favorable reports back to H&R.

    * Actually, I didn’t predict the snitch being honorable and refusing to help cover up a murdert.

  98. Reinmoose,

    I have already said as much upthread.

    But, you never know. Maybe the girl sucker punched one of the cops. Without the facts it is impossible to determine.

    Again, details matter

  99. I think it bears emphasizing again that the men were PLAINCLOTHES policemen.

    If three guys dressed in normal work clothes jumped out of a van and tried to grab me, I would fucking resist, whoever they said they were.

    And I would certainly tell my 12-year-old daught to resist them with every ounce of her strength.

  100. In my statement, I am assuming that the circumstances are sufficiently different that your scenario does not hold.

    I’ll have to remember that for the next GlobalHysteria thread.

  101. Neu,

    Thanks. I’m going to go “fuck off” now.

  102. As for me, a cop’s account is always suspect for the same reason a “perp” is innocent until proven guilty.

    In this lawsuit, the perps are the cops.

  103. What the fuck?!?

    What could the internal affairs report have possibly said to explain how “no violations by the officers or the police department involved” and that “all procedures were properly followed”? Considering

    – They were in plain clothes and didn’t announce themselves as police officers.

    – The person they tried to take into custody didn’t fit the description of the suspect.

    – An officer “grabbed her” and said “You’re a prostitute. You’re coming with me.”, indicating that he could have easily been a kidnapper, sex slave trafficker, etc.

    – And everything else.

    Does anyone know if the ACLU or someone is working on this?

    Is anyone in the media doing a special report on this or something?

    Any letter/email campaign directed at the prosecutor’s office or Galveston police internal affairs?

    Anything?

  104. I think I could take a sucker punch from a twelve year old girl without beating the shit out of her.

  105. BG,

    You are assuming that all those statements are indeed facts.

  106. Neu, I know you like playing devil’s advocate, but you really went for the gold on this one.

  107. I think I could take a sucker punch from a twelve year old girl without beating the shit out of her.

    Not to ruin your self-image or anything, but I have met a 12 year old girl or two that would lay you out cold with that sucker punch.

  108. But, you never know. Maybe the girl sucker punched one of the cops. Without the facts it is impossible to determine.

    Even assuming the girl fought back with every ounce of energy in her body, the police put her in the hospital. There is no rational way to conclude that the police are blameless.

  109. All this is according to a lawsuit filed in Galveston federal court

    This is not exactly a story somebody overheard at the laundromat; I believe these claims would be subject to the laws regarding perjury.

    Again:

    The case went to trial, but the judge declared it a mistrial on the first day, says Griffin.

    WTF?

  110. Epi,

    Group think needs to be challenged whenever it arises.

    Due process rights exist for a reason.

  111. In their statement, they say how the girl “Broke the law.” Any idea what law they say she broke, other than resisting kidnapping?

  112. Neu,

    Well, you sold me–maybe my partner would beat the little cunt to death. Details matter.

  113. Creech,

    IJ is a “conservative” organization. They wont dare start defending alleged prostitutes and druggies because they’d lose their donor base immediately.

  114. Even assuming the girl fought back with every ounce of energy in her body, the police put her in the hospital. There is no rational way to conclude that the police are blameless.

    Didn’t you hear? She ran face first into a tree while running from the cops.

    ;^)

  115. Group think needs to be challenged whenever it arises.

    Hyeh. Don’t let up on your quest for “truth, justice, and the American way.”

  116. Several people have talked about using force to defend themselves. Once you do it, your life is over; there is no fair trial for killing a cop.

    Large segments of the public will reflexively side against you, you will lose your job, home, and possessions, etc. At that point, you have nothing to lose.
    When you consider it like this, the police lobbying for laws that make killing a police officer a capital offense may end up being their undoing because it no longer matters if it’s one cop or one thousand.

    Shoot the intruders first, then worry about their employer. If you do discover that the intruders happen to work for the police department, you may as well put yourself in the mindset that you’re looking at your own death in the mirror. You’re dead-you either get executed, die rotting in jail, or die on your knees surrendering to the cops (“accidental discharge”, “sudden movement”, etc.)

    At that point, you should probably consider yourself to be in “sending a message” mode-that is, kill every single one of them at the scene and burn their bodies if you get a chance (let the families bury a charred corpse-may inspire some interesting intra-familial conversations about integrity and restraint). Then do your best to kill every responder before they kill you.

    You’re goal should be to make it so costly to be a scumbag cop that other cops have no choice but to think twice about acting that way. Fellow cops may also learn not to allow other cops to act that way lest they end up responding to a situation started by a scumbag cop.

    It’s extreme, excessive, and sheds a lot of blood, but so do police tactics as of late.

  117. ktc2 – I think you need to look into IJ a bit more. They are not a conservative organization, they are a libertarian organization. They might not take this case since their lawyers specialize in licensing and takings law, but I doubt it would be because of fear of losing their donor base. I’m a regular supporter and them taking this case would result in even more regular support. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was true for a fair fraction of their donor base.
    -K

  118. P Brooks,

    Later, I have to go take my tights and my cap to the cleaners.

    They’ve been sullied with the dirt of injustice.

  119. That’s, cape, not cap, of course.

  120. @me earlier

    [conditional on some facts] the resisting charge is a putative measure taken because the Milburn family wasn’t cooperatively acceding to being mistreated.

    I should note that I would consider this kind of behaviour, like any other use of official powers for personal gain or aggrandizement, to be malfeasance of office, and that this part of the story is every bit as trouble as the allegation of, uhm, poor arrest procedure.

  121. I have to go take my tights and my cap to the cleaners.

    Odd-I always picture you in a beret.

    Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

  122. When my daughter is 12 years old this won’t be an issue. She will be taught to tell even someone dressed as a policeman that she’s not allowed to accompany any stranger, any where, but that she’ll be happy to give him her home address so that he can discuss the matter in person and present his credentials to her father, who is listening to the conversation right now via cell phone and has a GPS fix on her location.

    If anyone – even a guy in a police uniform – tries to drag her away she’ll physically destroy him. She’ll be taught to do so with her bare hands if she has to, until she can find a blunt object to finish the job, and be taught not to stop until the guy is definitively crippled for life.

    That’s the new standard, right or wrong, and it has been shown repeatedly to be the proper response by the very law enforcement officers who are supposed to stand as a barrier against such things.

    If even one kidnapping, rape, molestation, or assault is prevented it will be worth it, because it’s for the children!

  123. I must admit, I like this older photo better…

    http://www.monmouth.com/~asalerno/images/tick5.gif

  124. Here is how I look at lawsuits. I beleive that anything easily checked is probably the truth and everything else is a wild exaggeration. Therefore, here is how I read this story.

    1) Three plain cloths police arrested a twelve year old girl in her own yard.
    2) No crime was committed for the arrest
    3) They injured her in the process.
    4) Father protected his daughter.
    5) Girl and father were charged by Prosecutor.
    6) IA Clears cops.

    Therefore, barring any amazing testimony on the part of the police, they are guilty and should lose all their assets and freedom. Of course they have a right to a jury trial, but as they treat everyone guilty until proven innocent, the officers deserve the same.

  125. I’m wholly with Neu on this one. It would be best to wait until either the response to the lawsuit were public, the IA report somehow sees the light of day, or both, prior to assuming the worst about the story.

  126. Several people have talked about using force to defend themselves. Once you do it, your life is over; there is no fair trial for killing a cop.

    That’s true, which is why I said in the original post on the matter, I’d be completely fucked. However, pretend you have a 12 yr old daughter if you don’t have children, you see three guys trying to force her into a vehicle. Are you going to stand by and do nothing? I’ve got some pretty lethal stuff at the house, including firearms as well as other stuff, all of which will be brought to bear on someone trying to kidnap my daughters to the best extent I can bring it, until either they are I are dead. It’s really that simple, if you’re a father you just do that. The sad part is that their older brother, who is about a month away from legally being an adult himself, will probably pick up where I fall, then he’ll be fucked too.

    Something needs to change in this equation.

  127. You are assuming that all those statements are indeed facts.

    Yes, and hopefully I’m wrong about that. Or if I’m not, I hope at least these cops suffer some consequences for this.

    If it has been 2 years since this happened though, why is the officers’ description of events is not already out there (or if it is, why wasn’t it in the article)?

    And even if the police announced themselves and the girl sucker punched one, I still think the cops’ response could be excessive given the girl’s injuries (and the fact the she was a 12-year old girl with 3 cops).

  128. Galveston was a hell hole *until* Ike hit it.

    It’s much nicer now.

  129. @NM

    But, you never know. Maybe the girl sucker punched one of the cops. Without the facts it is impossible to determine.

    Had the young lady resisted effectively or by surprise, she’d have been charged with it promptly. Not three weeks later.

    I’m of the opinion that the charge was probably retaliation.

    Similarly for the father.

  130. Hi, I know this adds nothing to the discussion, but I feel compelled to write it here nonetheless. Please forgive me.

    What the *fuck*. Fuck these motherfuckers. Fuck them all.

  131. Shame. It should be an instinct that we DEMAND from all LEOs. Honesty. It should be a trait that if abandoned or circumvented, the absence of it is punishable by law. If our LEOs do not tell the truth, then because of the office that they hold there needs to be severe consequences. There was a mistake here. If the LEOs had any sense of shame they would just admit it and let the chips fall where they may. After all it was their incompetence and shoddy police work that lead to this travesty. Anyone inside the legal system that backs them in this travesty should be liable also. It never ceases to amaze me that if you are a foreigner, gay, or black then often your rights in Texas are what ever the Texans in power say they are.

    Most likely these people do not have the financial resources to stand against the Galveston machine. What would we be reading about right now if the 12 year old in question had the last name Obama and the Father that came to his daughter’s rescue was named Barack?

  132. Lonny- “Barack Obama promises a 12 gauge and a .40 cal for every family?”

  133. Neu Mejican seems to be under the impression this is a court of law.

    I suppose you’re withholding judgement on the 9/11 attacks too, since we haven’t heard al-Qaeda’s side of the story yet.

  134. Based on Ron Paul’s views as he recorded them in his newsletter, we’re going to hear a lot of nothing. He supported the Constitution Party last month, not Libertarian. If he were British he’d be BNP.

  135. But, you never know. Maybe the girl sucker punched one of the cops. Without the facts it is impossible to determine.

    twelve year olds, dude.

  136. The only thing more shocking and disgusting than the cops actions, is that anyone would defend them.

  137. from Charles WT link above:

    20. The family’s five (5) month old puppy grabbed the officer’s leg. The officer threatened that if they did not grab the dog, he would shoot it.

    This almost reached the platonic ideal of a Balko piss-everyone-off story.

    Also, here is likely the house in question

    Here’s the side view with what is probably the tree she was holding onto.

    I think looking at google street view, while kinda creepy I admit, helps to imagine how this thing went down. First, note that there is no front yard, once you’re out of the house, you’re on the sidewalk. And the house is at an intersection, so you are literally ‘a corner kid’ if your chores involve going around to the side of the house. And it’s a dark corner, the nearest streetlight being diagonally across the intersection. Plus, that corner is on the back side of an (inner city) locally branded supermarket, which undoubtedly draws some associated business comprised of people that are not part of the chamber of commerce. So my guess is that one of the other corners of that supermarket was the actual target (or alternatively, the waterfront two blocks in the other direction)

    Disclaimer: Google maps is notoriously bad with exact addresses, but the house fits the description (‘father was upstairs on the balcony’). Also, I think at least two hurricanes may have passed through since these events transpired and/or when the photos were taken (at two different times: the weather is different, and in one set, there looks to be a for sale sign in front of the house, but not the other). so who knows if this is what the property looked like then (or now).

  138. Hmm, reading the doc further:

    The reported location [of the suspicious activity] was Avenue P and One-Half (P1/2) and 24th Street, Galveston, Texas.

    This is, in fact, the exact corner where the Milburn’s live, not two blocks away – if I am reading the complaint (and google maps) correctly, and if google maps is providing good data (all big ifs of course)

  139. I still want to know why an officer was trying to cover her mouth while she was screaming for her dad. That’s the behavior of a kidnapper, not an LEO.

  140. OK, the list of “isolated incidents” is getting too long to link to. My posts in other forums have longer sections of links than actual comment.

  141. So, CharlesWT, why aren’t you the one Reason is paying?

    Why did RB not do this kind of leg work?

  142. Neu–While you are, of course, correct that this is a single sourced allegation and should be veiwed with a certain amount of skepticism, I believe you are off the mark on this one with such broad-spectrum skepticism.

    What facts, exactly, are in question here that we shouldn’t take at face value? That the police didn’t try to arrest the wrong person at the wrong address? That a 12-year old girl shouldn’t be expected to not get hysterical when 3 grown men claiming to be police grab her and try to stuff her in a van? That the police didn’t arrest her 3 weeks later at school for resisting arrest? That the police didn’t try and arrest a young girl who clearly wouldn’t have been acting like a prostitute when she briefly went outside her house to to flip a breaker switch and their whole defense is that she was wearing tight shorts? That they didn’t try to arrest someone of a completely different race than the reported suspects?

    Yes, much of this comes from the plantiff’s filing asking for damages and should be viewed with skepticism, but this thing doesn’t even begin to pass the smell test on the facts that aren’t in question. To suspect that the police’s account of the events isn’t exactly an honest accounting, but rather one to cover asses, isn’t a stretch. Not even a small one.

  143. all of which will be brought to bear on someone trying to kidnap my daughters to the best extent I can bring it, until either they are I are dead.

    And that’s really the bottom line. I could not live with myself if I stood by and watched three men stuff a 12 year old girl into a van (regardless of whether she was my daughter).

    And once I started shooting, I doubt we would take a break to examine credentials and discuss neighborhood geography.

    Could I gun down three armed men before I went down myself? Probably not (although the .45 does have carry 15 rounds), but in a scenario like that, you have to try. Duty is a heavier than a mountain, and all that.

  144. PLEASE follow up on this until we know all the facts. If the one-side of this story tells all, this simply takes the cake. I’ve now seen everything.

  145. Kolohe said:

    “And it’s a dark corner, the nearest streetlight being diagonally across the intersection.”

    This happened at 7:45 pm on August 22, 2006. It is not dark at 7:45 pm on an August night here in Texas. Daylight Savings Time is in effect.

  146. The police may have thought she was an adult. She was 5’6″ and 120 pounds at the time. This is no excuse for their behavior, but may have contributed to their using excessive force. Perhaps even these guys would not have ruffed up an average size 12 year old.

  147. so honor students can’t be hookers???

  148. JW,

    My skepticism is aimed particularly at charges that they used excessive force (attempting to stuff her into a van is her claim, not an undisputed fact, so this is included). Without knowing the details, it is hard to judge why force was used. The girls injuries indicate that there is a good chance excessive force was used, but given the vague one-sided account, it is impossible to tell.

    I haven’t had a chance to look at the report CharlesWT posted yet, so I am still reserving judgment.

    My main criticism, by the way, was not aimed at the girl, and I was not defending the cops…my main criticism is aimed at RB (and the rag that he linked to, I guess) for posting only one-side of the story when it is not that hard to get both sides of the story.

    The reason this is a problem is apparent from the reactions on this comments thread. People take the account as true and instantly jump to the emotional “fucking cops” reaction without knowing what really occurred. It is piss poor journalism.

    RB is good enough that he will follow up, I imagine, but why the pre-emptive post?

    As for your basic facts.

    Arresting the wrong person, a mistake, not criminal behavior, not abuse of power. That is why we have that “innocent until proven guilty thing.” Everyone that is arrested should be assumed to be innocent…and treated accordingly. This family claims they were not treated accordingly, and their claims should be heard, but making a claim against the cops doesn’t mean they don’t also deserve the presumption of innocence also.

    And, indeed, it will be important to be skeptical of the cops account as ass-covering is a powerful motivation. That is why we have due process. To weigh the competing claims.

    Trial by media is, in my opinion, a very dangerous trend in our society…journalists do it because of the wonderful visceral reaction it gets (read JsubD above, and the bulk of the other comment here if you don’t believe me). Consumers of news shape what gets reported with this kind of reaction and encourage this kind of sloppy reporting.

  149. Neu–I agree with you for the most part, but the pattern of behavior of the police is the most telling slice of data we have in this event. The posting by CharlesWT is the plantiff’s filed complaint, so no “other” side yet.

    Singling out any one of the actions as a singular event and yes, their action could be reasonably defended against malice or incompetence on their part, but taken as a whole, based on what we have, and there is a distinct pattern of abuse and/or incompetence on the part of the police.

    As to due process, I’m curious as to why the trial was declared a mistrial on the first day. This whole thing could be a series of unfortunate circumstances, though I seriously doubt it.

    As to Radley’s posting, I don’t have a problem with it per se and I too would like to see a follow-up as the trial moves forward. Yes, his posting could be more thorough, but this is Hit & Run a fast moving blog by nature and not a fully formed investigative resource. Take it for what it’s worth.

  150. JW,

    but this is Hit & Run a fast moving blog by nature and not a fully formed investigative resource. Take it for what it’s worth.

    I do. See my comment above. H&R is not, however, being fast and loose here. H&R is being deliberate (look at their pattern of posts of this nature…no matter how hard they try, the plural of anecdote is not data). Any accusation of abuse of power helps promote the worldview and agenda of Reason, so there is not a motivation on Reason’s part to present the balanced case. It serves H&R’s interests to promote the reactions we see on this thread. It fits nicely into a set of preconceived notions that Reason is promoting.

    So, double skepticism is warranted.

  151. “””That they didn’t try to arrest someone of a completely different race than the reported suspects?”””

    Scorched earth, arrest them all, let the courts sort it out.

    Does that sound about right?

  152. Neu–I’m curious as to why you think that Reason shouldn’t have an obvious agenda as to what they write and decide to cover. That’s kinda the whole idea and why I come here and not to Daily Kos or LGF.

    People read where they are comfortable with the editorial standard of the publication. You, joe and a few others come here to be the contrarian’s contrarian and that’s cool by me. It does make the place more interesting than an echo chamber.

  153. I will add that Radley has been very thorough, IMO, in his own, original stories.

  154. JW,

    Neu–I’m curious as to why you think that Reason shouldn’t have an obvious agenda as to what they write and decide to cover. That’s kinda the whole idea and why I come here and not to Daily Kos or LGF.

    I don’t think they shouldn’t.
    But knowing what their agenda is (and I hope everyone here knows what it is), I am disappointed when people don’t use basic skepticism regarding the veracity of a story that fits so nicely into the narrative that H&R is trying to create.

    There is a difference between: “If this is true, I am outraged” (which is, to his credit, RB’s stance in the post) and the one I am seeing in the comments which is…

    “This proves what I have always said, Cops are muther fuckin cowards that beat down 12 year olds for fun.” [/hyperbole-parody]

    As for RB’s original stories, I agree, for the most part.

  155. Neu Mejican – You and your Details Matter bullshit. Yeah details matter like the little detail of making sure everyone knows you are the cops before trying to snatch a little girl from HER YARD in the night. Details like white prostitute not black, details like right block not the wrong block.

    Yes indeed details are important and it is the COPS LACK of checking details that brought this whole incident about. It is THE COPS lack of detail that very well could have cost them all their lives. If it was my daughter they had grabbed they would be dead right now not maybe, not possibly, but definetly, DEAD. So who should be worried about getting the details right, the cops or the people sitting in their homes bothering no one? Seems to me if your intention is to slide open a van door and in plain clothes grab a girl off the street you have damn well better have your fucking details right else risk dying right then and there for their LACK OF DETAIL. If these are the best critical thinking skills cops can produce I rather just risk taking my chances without any cops. Oh thats right I already am on my own even with them. Just that now I have to worry not only about criminals but also the police. FUCKING LOVELY.

    We called Galveston Gilligans Island when I living in Houston. Some things never change.

    J Sub D is right you would make a wonderful slave. But hey you go on believing cops can do no wrong and always tell the truth even when they fuck up I know it is easier that way, right.

  156. Ooooohhhh this angers the shit out of me!

    “The city has investigated the matter and found that the conduct of the police officers was appropriate under the circumstances,” Helfand says. “It’s unfortunate that sometimes police officers have to use force against people who are using force against them. And the evidence will show that both these folks violated the law and forcefully resisted arrest.”

    That is all fucking bullshit I say. Since when do our public servants have the power over the people of this country in such away that they can brutalize our children without due cause and without warrant. Mistaken identity is NO FUCKING EXCUSE! Then to fucking blame her for resisting and lay a claim of assault? On her and her father? These officers need hogtied and so do any city council members, judges, DAs etc etc.. who place fault on this girl and her family. The resaulting so-called assault was in defense of an unwarranted assault to fucking begin with. Had that been my daughter, there would be three dead cops right now. I would have shot them dead in my own damn yard because no none. NO ONE will do this to my children or family. I’m not afraid of jail, but let it be known we need to fight back and stop this kind of shit. Who runs this country anyway? Is it US or THEM? Last I look, it was WE the people! We should demand that our status be recognized and pull those out of office whom don’t do our bidding. If WE the people say that we want these officers to lose their jobs over incidents like this then there should be no question. It is our tax paying dollars that pay their fucking wages

  157. Will – Just think had this been someone say mugging a little old lady and the cops had roughed him up it would be all over the news. Rodney King etc ring any bells.

    So now we have cops that beat you no matter who you are when they “encounter you” or taser you etc for the cops and of course your protection and safety.

    Add to that the media only sensationalizing the beat downs given to actual criminals. Not that I am for that or anything for a criminal at the time of arrest. Then these criminals oops I mean cops many times get off or in a small percentage of times the real criminal gets paid off in tax money. Either way the regular tax paying civilian loses.

    Yet when they fuck up like this and have corruption up so high you can’t see the top anymore (I am from New Orleans I know corruption) the media says nothing because the case does shine the good light on our benevolant dictators, our hero’s and savior’s of all mankind, the fucking cop’s! Also I am sure many of the media outlets are well aware of the corruption and cover ups yet say nothing because they know it does happen all the time and they could be next in line for a good old fuckin via the justice system for doing so.

    Perhaps someone should dress a blow up hooker doll in tight shorts and call it in to the cops like Kop busters.

  158. Dee,

    J Sub D is right you would make a wonderful slave. But hey you go on believing cops can do no wrong and always tell the truth even when they fuck up I know it is easier that way, right.

    You, my friend, are an idiot.

    If you look up thread you will notice that my first response to this was to point out that this case illustrates why there is a need for strong citizen oversight of the police. Rather than saying that the cops can do no wrong, the first thing I said was…BECAUSE THE COPS CAN ABUSE THEIR POWER THERE NEEDS TO BE STRONG OVERSIGHT.

    So, like JsubD, you can, what was it…oh yeah, fuck off.

  159. Yep I am an idiot and your a genius. Why didn’t we think of policing the police a long time ago? Oh yeah thats right we have been trying to do that oh FOR FUCKING EVER.

    So put your opium pipe down and quit dreaming. Those in control of you will never cede control of themselves to you. Those you are a slave like the rest of us only “details matter” to you. I could give a fuck about you or details.

  160. Those you are a slave like the rest of us only “details matter” to you.

    Huh?

    Oh yeah thats right we have been trying to do that oh FOR FUCKING EVER.

    Robust citizen review boards exist in many communities.

    http://www.nacole.org/

  161. Please send an e-mail of complaint to the top Galveston County prosecutor, Kurt Sistrunk. Demand dismissal of the charges against the girl and her father, and demand prosecution and incarceration of the brownshirt thugs masquerading as law enforcement officers. The prosecutor’s website claims they don’t have the capability of responding to e-mails and says to use the phone or snail mail, but I managed to find his e-mail address out. It is kurt.sistrunk@co.galveston.tx.us

  162. Neu Mejican, no doubt you know more about prostitution arrests than I do. It seems to me that SOP for such an arrest is to have a uniformed officer quite close by to make the actual arrest. Yet in this case, there do not seem to have been any uniformed officers nearby. Why do you suppose that was?

    Also, can you think of a sound, logical police reason why police officers would want to put their hand on the mouth of a 12 year old girl?

    I can’t. The only people I can think of who would act that way are kidnappers.

    Question: is it possible that the three officers were “freelancing”, and got caught doing it, and now are using the authority of office to cover it up?

  163. Anti Dhimmi | December 20, 2008, 10:26pm | #

    I guess anything’s possible.

    Occam’s Razor, however, would work against your convoluted explanation.

    Again, I point out that are assuming you have the facts.

    You are certain that the cops tried to cover her mouth? Really?

  164. Neu Mejican, can you explain why there were no uniformed officers involved in the incident? Wouldn’t it make sense for the plain clothes officers to obtain a solicitation from the alleged prostitute, then turn her over to the uniformed officer for arrest? Isn’t it potentially dangerous to have only plainclothes officers making such an arrest?
    Would you please apply Occams’ Razor to the procedures described?

    (Assuming for the sake of argument that you know what tool you are using)

    The only evidence I have for the officers placing their hands over the mouth of a 12 year old is from the complaint. What evidence do you have that proper police procedure was followed in this arrest?

  165. Why report this before “all the facts” are in Neu? I’ll tell you why – because the police should FEAR citizens, not tolerate them.

    As far as I am concerned, cops accused of excessive force are guilty until proven innocent, for the same reason that citizens are innocent until proven guilty. To fucking protect citizens.

    I used to think the ol’ british system of disarming police was retarded. Now I am in favor of a british police force and an armed citizenry. Make those bastards club the puppies to death.

  166. Mike Hunt | December 19, 2008, 11:42am

    so honor students can’t be hookers???

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086896/

    Angel (1984)

    Tagline: High School Honor Student by Day. Hollywood Hooker by Night.

  167. I’m confused. Is Miss Milburn still in juvie, or were the charges dropped? Either way, I hope she wins big time against these bastards.

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