More Fun With the Dumbest People on the Internet

It's been a while since I suited up and dumpster-dived in the Obama conspiracyverse. In my absence, I reckon that the average IQ there has dipped by 20-25 points. Take this latest revelation from Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson.

Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.

Incredible! Ann Dunham met her second husband, Lolo Soetoro in 1966, in Hawaii. "Barry" Obama was, at this time, five years old. The only reasonable explanation is that Dunham and Soetoro built (or purchased) a Genesis Device to clone a new son, using DNA from Barack Obama Sr. that Dunham had pulled off one of his combs.

Seriously. The "evidence" for Johnson's claim is the now-familiar murmurings of "sources" and GOP "operatives" (who appear in these things quicker than agents of H.Y.D.R.A.) and the fact—not reported in too many places, but never disputed—that when Lolo Soetoro became his adoptive father, the young Barack was enrolled in school as "Barack Soetoro."

But was there anything at all odd about that as it concerns a candidate for president? Bill Clinton was William Blythe III until he turned 14 and his mother married Roger Clinton. Gerald Ford was born Leslie Lynch King, Jr., and three years later his mother married Gerald R. Ford and unofficially re-named her son. The younger Ford didn't legally change his name until his was 22 years old. Is Larry Johnson or one of his pseudononymous fellow travellers going to retroactively challenge their legitimacy or veracity? Probably not. There's nothing odd or foreign about Ford's and Clinton's lives—there's no way to stoke racial bigotry and paranoia, which is the indisputable goal of this stuff.

Alas, this was only the second-stupidist event in Birth Certificatestan this week. The stupidest:

Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

Maya Soetoro is Barack Obama's half-sister. She was born in 1970. In Indonesia. Fun fact: Indonesia is not part of Hawaii.

Another fun fact: It's been 88 days since Larry Johnson claimed the existence of the "whitey" tape.

Comments

[JUSTSWAMPGAS]

"Forensics specialist Techdude"

You can't argue with a science - especially if the scientist's name is "Techdude."

[Abdul]

Leslie Lynch King, Jr

You buried the real story: How did Gerry Ford ever live though junior high school with this name?

[The Left]

These RightWing nutjobs are just trying to cover for the ineligibity of Panamanian-born Juan McCain to serve as President

[Episiarch]

I'll just repost what I said on a different thread:

"Because he's an apostate! His middle name is HUSSEIN! His birth certificate is forged! My Lithium drip has a kink in it! The pharmacy was out of Seroquel! I self-medicate with Robitussin and wine coolers!"

[David]

You buried the real story: How did Gerry Ford ever live though junior high school with this name?

Being a linebacker probably helped.

[Carolyn]

When a child is adopted by a stepfather, the parents can have the original birth certificate replaced by a new one listing the adoptive father as the birth father. (My parents did this.) Possibly that is what happened with Obama, though his mother doesn't appear to be the kind of person who would have cared. It may have been her husband who wanted it done so "Barry Soetero" would be accepted as his son in Indonesia. Possibly, too, he was thinking about moving to Hawaii, so he'd already have a foot in the door with an American-born son as well as an American wife.

But ... why then would a fake birth certificate be posted on the internet? It is inexplicable.

As long as Obama is a natural born citizen, what difference could it possibly make what his birth certificate says?

[Nigel Watt]

Who cares whether either is a natural-born citizen? I'm more worried about how they'll further wreck the economy and erode liberty.

[:]

Since BHO hasn't released the original official copy, I am free to speculate wildly.

[Abdul]

You buried the real story: How did Gerry Ford ever live though junior high school with this name?

Being a linebacker probably helped.

A documented case of "Boy-named-Sue" syndrome.

[Jim McDosh]

LOL, In all honesty, I think the dumbest people on earth are sitting in the White House!

JT
http;//www.Privacy-Center.net

[bigbigslacker]

These people are so dumb, they probably believe John Edwards has a love child.

What?
Oh, he DOES.
Never mind then.

Next thing you know these nut cases will be claiming Osama has dual citizenship.

[P Brooks]

Why would anyone be interested in that silly little "windfall tax" thing, or any of the other large-scale redistribution proposals lurking on Obama's "to do" list, when there is important stuff like this out there?

[James Ard]

If I'm wrong and Obama isn't Bill Clinton's puppet, you can be damn sure Hillary will spring the true certificate next week, if there's anything to it.

[Warren]

Why does anyone give a rat's ass about any of this? I feel sullied just reading about it.

[madmikefisk]

Leave Larry Johnson alone... he's just starved for attention, and apparently doesn't have any friends...

[Chris S.]

I don't get it. What would happen if his name was really Barry Soetoro? This is possibly the most boring conspiracy theory ever invented.

[BDB]

Ok, yes, this is the dumbest election ever. Even more stupid than 2000.

[BDB]

BTW have these jackasses ever had to apply for a job? You have to provide your birth certificate and swear you are a U.S. citizen and/or permitted to work in the U.S. Call me crazy but I assume you have to do the same when you run for the U.S. Senate.

[joe]

I don't get it. What would happen if his name was really Barry Soetoro?

Right. Sort of like the theory that his real middle name was "Mohammed," but because he didn't think that would help him in his political career, he changed it to something more mainstream: Hussein.

Which is also why he changed "Barry" to Barack. Oh, btw, he also joined Trinity United Church to help his political career.

If you don't think any of this makes sense, well my friend, you are like Chamberlain at Munich.

[BDB]

Yeah, when I think "All American name", I know I think "Hussein".

[Rimfax]

Teh stoopid....it burnses.

[madmikefisk]

What would happen if his name was really Barry Soetoro?

As best I can tell, it's something that may have only helped in the primary if true... as it might indicate that he wasn't actually half-black (but rather half Pacific Islander), thereby possibly denying him near-reflexive support from African-American primary voters.

That being said, if you believe that sort of identity politics to be possible, you'd also have to take into account the great likelihood that minorities of all stripes would've flocked to his campaign by virtue of being a racial "outsider", possibly earning him more votes in the primaries... so you never know.

[R C Dean]

What would happen if his name was really Barry Soetoro?

Substantively? It shouldn't matter at all.

It would give his media handlers fits, though, trying to explain why he's using a different name. Anything that makes a Presidential candidate look squirrelly is solid gold to oppo researchers.

[Warty]

Speaking as a dumb person on the Internet, that's really, really, really, dumb. And trust me, I know dumb.

[J sub D]

Now Hear This.
Pathetic.
That is all.

[bigbigslacker]

These dumb people might cause Obama a lot of votes. I'm not voting for Obama because I think he (like many on the left and far right who do not believe in individual freedoms) is un-American. But there are some who think is is not only un-American, but "not American" as well. The stuff about not being born in the US is likely bunk. The bigger issue is does he retain citizenship in Kenya, and does that in any way negate his US citizenship. Even if it does not, it creates doubts about the man. Do you really want to elect a national leader that holds allegiance to more than one country? As import a question, do you want to run a candidate for your party whose loyalty might be questionable in the minds of non-crazy people?

If the issues raised in the following blogs cannot be squashed decisively, is it risky to nominate Obama at the Democrat convention? (it doesn't matter if his citizenship is technically valid, if you cannot completely destroy these arguments...you know what I be sayin)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/obamas-dual-citizenship-disaster-an-overview/
http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731

That why this stuff, laughable as it has been for us, is important.

[BDB]

Kenya doesn't allow dual citizenship, so no.

[dmooney]

The problem is our good man BO never really comes completely clean with his background...or he out and out lies i.e. his parents met in Selma? Just like the Muslim thing...why does he have to spend so much time denying, when he could honestly explain his background? Makes you wonder what else isn't quite kosher in his world. Larry Johnson isn't the first to question these things...just perhaps the most vocal and persistent.

[BDB]

Link that proves the above.

Call me crazy but I will take the actual Constitution of the country over the rantings of some anonymous nutty bitch from Texas.

[Chris S.]

bigbigslacker and dmooney,

I also wonder whether the moon landing was staged, and whether John McCain is secretly hiding a illegit black child (why doesn't he ever talk about her? Huh? Think about it). Perhaps you could spend some more time thinking about pressing questions like these, and less time voting. America will thank you for your efforts.

[Streets Is Gigglin\']

What would happen if his name was really Barry Soetoro?

I hope we'd all apologize to DMX for mocking the trenchant insight of "Your mama ain't name you no Barack."

[Episiarch]

Speaking as a dumb person on the Internet, that's really, really, really, dumb. And trust me, I know dumb.

I have to support this statement.

[joe]

why does he have to spend so much time denying?

This is what you are left with when all of your accusations fall flat: the fact that the candidate has denied the accusations for which there is no evidence.

Of course, when Obama blew off a question about this instead of denying, well, that was an incredibly damning bit of evidence, too.

In other words, whenever the wingnuts repeat a charge, just that fact that it's been repeated means that there is something wrong.

[Dumb Guy From The Intertubes]

I don't know nuthin'

and I kin prove it.

[Warty]

I have to support this statement.

A man's got to know his limitations.

And there were two statements there, r-tard.

[Episiarch]

And there were two statements there, r-tard.

But which one was I supporting? AH HA!

[Wingnut Dipshit]

The real story is in the early 60s, Ann Durham, because she hated America so much, had a conspiracy to take the DNA of two brown, Muslim, foreign, non-American men and implant it in a test tube to create the man who would destroy out pure Anglo-Saxon civilization : BARACK HUSSEIN MUHAMMA SOERETO OBAMA!

WHY WONT AMERICA WAKE UP!?

[Warty]

But which one was I supporting?

Yes.

[James]

Before writing something condescending, perhaps you should check the concept that IF Obama's stepfather legally adopted him, a NEW birth certificate would be issued in that name and the old records sealed. So, its not that incredible a statement.

[Episiarch]

Yes.

42?

[Neu Mejican]

Just like the Muslim thing...why does he have to spend so much time denying, when he could honestly explain his background?

He could, perhaps, write a book about it. He would have been wise to release this book a couple of years before the election so that these issues wouldn't come up.

[Warty]

42?

e^?i

[Amazon]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400082773/reasonmagazinea-20/

[Episiarch]

e^?i

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[R C Dean]

These dumb people might cause Obama a lot of votes.

Again, the typo is revealing. I suspect that Obama isn't all that unhappy, at all, with the noise raised by these nuts, because it serves to dilute and distract from more serious and substantive issues that could, indeed, cost him votes.

I suspect a full accounting of his relationship and work, over many years and multiple fora, with William Ayers, would indeed cost him some votes. But as long as this other stuff is circulating, those questions just get thrown out with the garbage.

[Johnny Nowhere]

what this situation calls for is for somebody to ask Obama some hard-hitting quesitons, and then post his answers on youtube.

If only we had a bold decisive leader who could help formulate the questions...

[deathbychichi]

...was solemnly told by a young 20-something over the weekend that Obama is the antichrist. Several little bits of "chilling evidence." It's gonna get worse. I don't know if they mean it or it's a convenient cover for ones racist feelings.

[Conservationist]

What a stupid way for the Republicans to run a campaign.

There are so many good ways to attack Obama, and point out he's the political equivalent of the Emperor's new clothes, without nattering on about his birth certificate or supposed Muslim religion.

[dmooney]

Chris S
The name of the game is voting. I am an American and I have always exercised my right to vote. My selection is simply that...MY selection. I have done the research, even if I didn't buy BO's book. I've looked at his career, his voting record, and his views. If I simply voted on the candidates views, I could probably vote for BO. But I take a more rounded view of who gets to sit in the Oval Office...I take into consideration this person's career and personal history, and BO's just doesn't cut it for me.

Your comment was insulting...but then, I've come to expect nothing less from BO's supporters. If you don't like the concept of freedom of speech, etc, perhaps you should move to another country, where, you know, they like to suppress independent thought.

[Chris S.]

Dmooney,

I'm not a BO supporter. I'm just a guy who thinks you're insane. Cheers!

[Guy Montag]

These guys make the Truthers look almost normal.

[BDB]

How many McCain Action Points did you get for that Dmooney? Enough for that rad Huffy Bike or a My Friends Edition Sony PSP?

[dmooney]

I don't need to purchase kids things anymore...mine are almost grown. As far as McCain goes, I never said he had my vote either.

I enjoy reading different blogs and viewpoints...but it really is treacherous going into BO's territory. The most consistent thing I have seen, is if you don't support BO you are either racist, republican, insane or all of the above.

Have fun guys...go find another punching bag.

[Fluffy]

DMooney, if you're voting for McCain, you're a worthless cocksucker with nothing to say about the supporters of any other candidate.

The only possible rounded view of McCain is that he's Peronist scum who long ago forfeited any credit he might be due for his military service.

[Fluffy]

DMooney, you're also impossibly stupid.

You aren't in Obama's territory here. If anything, you're in Barr's territory.

Try to at least figure out where the hell you are before spouting off your McCain campaign talking points, OK?

This isn't Obama's territory just because the people here make fun of cracker idiots who form their world view on the basis of chain emails and stuff they pick up second hand at Jesus Camp.

[Natalie Merchant]

Johnny Nowhere | August 11, 2008, 12:07pm | #
what this situation calls for is for somebody to ask Obama some hard-hitting quesitons, and then post his answers on youtube.

If only we had a bold decisive leader who could help formulate the questions...

Wow ! My pussy is dripping wet just thinking of such a sexy man!

[Chris S.]

Didn't you read the title of this thread ("More Fun With the Dumbest People on the Internet")?

You're either having fun, dmooney, or you're the dumbest people. Sorry you're not having fun!

[dmooney]

Fluffy:
People stopped sending me chain emails years ago because they annoy the crap out of me. I wasn't commenting on who you support, although by the tone of the blog and its comments I wrongly thought you were BO supporters. MY APOLOGIES.
However, I gotta tell you after spending some (quality) time here, I'm definitely not more impressed with your candidate either. I can only hope he has a bit more reason and logic than you folks exhibit.
And once more, for the record...I don't spout McCain talking points. I am a life long democrat who is pretty much disgusted and disappointed with ALL the choices this year.
Even though I disagreed, I didn't call anyone names or throw any wild accusations around. Again, thanks for the warm welcome.

[Seitz]

And once more, for the record...I don't spout McCain talking points. I am a life long democrat who is pretty much disgusted and disappointed with ALL the choices this year.

So you're a lifelong Democrat who won't vote for the Democrat this year, even though his positions basically line up with yours, because there's just something about his "career" and "personal history" you don't like. Hmm, I wonder what that could be? What could be different about Obama from all of the other Democrats you've supported in the past? You don't happen to live in Appalachia, do you?

[GG]

More Fun With the Dumbest People on the Internet

Does this guy count?

Libertarianism, a fairly new movement in the United States, is propounded by politicians, business people and pundits. They say it is the only way America can regain its pre-eminence in the world. But it is really just another name for egotism, narcissism, and sociopathic behavior.

It is not a new way of thinking, but is based in erroneous aristocratic assumptions regarding wealth, power and position that are still held by many. They believe they are smarter, better, and therefore, more deserving than the rest of us.

Many high achievers (and those who believe they should be, but?) act as if they are aristocrats. They deserve to be treated in a special way, socially, in business and legally. Other people believe they are to be treated aristocratically because of their birth into the right family, education in the right schools and position in the right society. They think they should not have to pay a fair share of taxes, have laws limit their actions, or be critiqued for their lifestyles.

Instead, they deserve to have several McMansions and condos and to buy up huge tracts of land for their own use, posting it to prevent others from enjoying it. And, of course, they imply, "Don't question us about paying for what we have. After all, we've got money, even if we also have huge debts."

The money they made is frequently not due to inventiveness or even hard work. Instead it is made by cooking books, cutting corners, ignoring laws, and making false (or at a minimum very questionable) statements in documents, contracts and advertisements. They also prey on people's weaknesses, pride and greed, but mainly on their ignorance.

[Orange Line Special]

Weigel finally got one right! When I too offered a roundup, I didn't realize that Soetoro on the BC would require a time machine. I'll update my post, and thanks!

And, of course, I'll note again that Weigel seems quite ready to attribute to racism what's more easily attributed to an attempt to highlight BHO's foreign links, something that would be done if, say, Arnie ran for prez. What excuse would Weigel come up with in that case?

---
All Hail the Kochtopus!

[short, fat bastard]

Libertarianism, a fairly new movement in the United States, is propounded by politicians, business people and pundits. They say it is the only way America can regain its pre-eminence in the world. But it is really just another name for egotism, narcissism, and sociopathic behavior.

Finally, someone who really, really understands me.

[Neu Mejican]

highlight BHO's foreign links, something that would be done if, say, Arnie ran for prez.

Or if native Panamanian John McCain were to run.

[Fat Guy Stuck in Internet]

More Fun With the Dumbest People on the Internet

Wut?

[Jane R]

Um. A forged birth certificate would destroy Obama.

You guys really don't get this?

[bigbigslacker]

Bigbigslacker and dmooney,

I also wonder whether the moon landing was staged, and whether John McCain is secretly hiding a illegit black child (why doesn't he ever talk about her? Huh? Think about it). Perhaps you could spend some more time thinking about pressing questions like these, and less time voting. America will thank you for your efforts.

Chris S., this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Not only shouldn't you vote, you should probably do the rest of us a favor and take yourself out of the gene pool before it's too late.

I can understand where you might believe weird crap about John McCain, given it has been reported by reputable news outlets like the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

But moon conspiracies? You must be a complete moron.

[dmooney]

Seitz:

Wow, you guys just really love to make assumptions, don't you. No, I live on the east coast, north of DC. And again, you prove me right in suggesting that because I'm not "sold" on BO, it must have something to do with his "color". If he were 100% white as opposed to 50% white, then I would be what...against his religion, his choice in shoe wear, what? I have not voted for people based on the exact same criteria. I really don't know why the posters on this board are trying so hard to make me a stupid, illiterate simply because I don't believe BO has much character or conviction. In a perfect world, I would think if I happened to stumble upon a libertarian site (which, by the way, some of my views lean that direction)you might actually try to persuade me to consider your candidate. Instead, every word I type is villified. I've come to think America suffers from a superiority complex, as all of you are no doubt brilliant and the only people in this country with a clue. But then again, opinions are like a**holes...everyone's got one.
But at least I now understand the name of the blog...kinda feeling like I just got run over myself.

[BDB]

I'm sure Dmooney is a life long member of the "Democrat Party".

[MM]

Um. A forged birth certificate would destroy Obama.

You guys really don't get this?

Yes, it would. Obama would also be destroyed if there were videotape of him blowing Larry Sinclair, while humming the Garret Morris "kill all the whiteys i see" song. However the fact is that the likelihood of this tape existing is zero.

Similarly, the theory that Obama's mother, father and future stepfather all conspired to violate the laws of physics in order to create false documentation just in case their Islamonazi Manchurian baby would someday be in position to run for president is equally ridiculous.

The part that amuses me is that no matter how thoroughly ridiculous your "points" are shown to be, the response from Code Name: Flowbee and others is that THIS IS MORE PROOF OF HOW DEEP THE RABBIT HOLE GOES!

Credulous Sucker: But the name on the COLB is is sister. The one on the web was forged from that!

Normal Person: You mean his sister that wasn't born in Hawaii, and would have no COLB from there?

CS: Exactly! This is sinister!

NP: Despite the fact that there was a birth announcement in the paper in 1961?

CS: That's how badly someone wants this man in power. It's been arranged for nearly 5 decades.

NP: And this conspiracy includes everyone who has ever run against Obama in a campaign before, the Hawaii department of HHS, and Obama's stepfather who started this while Ann Durham was 14 and not yet pregnant?

CS: This is precisely why I am so frightened.

[Jane R]

MM,

I think it's far more mundane than that. There may be some embarrassing stuff (maybe as simple as a name) on Obama's actual birth certificate. He thought he could make the issue go away with some editing.

[Seitz]

I really don't know why the posters on this board are trying so hard to make me a stupid, illiterate simply because I don't believe BO has much character or conviction.

We're not trying very hard at all. You're doing a fine job of it all by yourself.

[josh]

Lol, thanks for this post. I was almost slightly concerned about it. You've greatly clarified the situation for me.

But I have received notice from Republican operatives that Barack Obama's birth certificate actually says...

Britney Hilton.

[Chris S.]

bigbigslacker,

Sarcasm, my boy. Thanks for proving my point.

[Olafer]

One thing an ordinary person can see is a washout remnant of the word SEX, about 2 character widths NE of the new word. You have to view the hi-res image on FactCheck to see it:

http://tinyurl.com/5nrmv6

Looks like someone should have used a little bit more acetone.

[dmooney]

Seitz:

Your cleverness astounds us all. Why don't you attempt to converse in an intelligent fashion, instead of just resorting to an automatic put down.

Your dialogue almost makes me sorry I had children. I can only hope that somehow they were taught something a bit more sustantial than what you demonstrate.

Peace to all.

[Sunflower]

you for got this part from crazy Larry's website

I confirmed today that several teams/individuals visited Jakarta during the last six months to gather up critical documents regarding Barack. It is amazing what money can buy. The information includes details of how Barack made his way to Pakistan. Oh! Did I mention there have been similar efforts underway in Pakistan. There are several lessons and warnings in the John Edwards affair for Obama. First and foremost, you cannot hide your past.

[Sam Hutcheson]

Wow, you guys just really love to make assumptions, don't you. No, I live on the east coast, north of DC.

Wow. There's never been any racism in Baltimore, Philly, New York or Boston, huh?

[Kevin Hayden]

AS a former intelligence agent, Larry Johnson's severance contract apparently permitted him to continue as an agent while surrendering his former intelligence.

On the plus side, it was a huge step forward for medical science to complete their first recto-cranial implant without any visible scars.

[Chad S]

And they wonder why the mainstream media doesn't take them seriously.....

[Chad S.]

@sunshine

Someone reported tonight that an independant conservative group was filming in Indonesia(I presume that they were filming the school he went to as part of some 527 muslim smear). Unless Obama went to Pakistan on the "Kill all the jews & Terrorism Butt Sex Express", I don't see how his chosen transport to Pakistan will matter at all.

[Leo Augustus]

Wow, really an eye-opener. BTW is there any truth to the assertion that John S. McCain's middle name is Shithead?

[Jeff Fecke]

Chris S., this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

IRONY FAIL.

[Linda in Oregon]

Ah, yes. And the most insidious trick he's pulled on the American people is, instead of his real name, "Soetoro", he instead uses the name "Obama" because it rhymes with something we'll all remember.
Brilliant!!!

[TomSawyer,Jr.]

This entire thread is based on a false premise,
that 'Republican operatives' started this? Whoa Nelly. Larry Johnson is a Hillary and PUMA supporter, virtually all of the research to date about the birth certificate has been done by like-minded Democrats. Now, re-read all the posts above and see if you believe your own comments or those of others.

[Jeff Fecke]

Larry Johnson is a Hillary and PUMA supporter, virtually all of the research to date about the birth certificate has been done by like-minded Democrats.

Well, except for before, when he used to be a Republican. Or now, when he's trying to destroy the Democratic party's nominee. But other than that, he's a total, rock-ribbed former member of the Democrat party.

[Chad S.]

@tom sawyer

Except that PUMA pac was founded by someone who's donated to McCain in the past(and no one else that can be found).

[Jack]

Obama obviously altered his birth certificate to conceal the fact that he's really John McCain's illegitimate black lovechild. That's why McCain never mentions the issue.

[speedwell]

What I want to know is, why does Barack Obama appear to have an inordinate fondness for Hungarian apricots?

[Mostly]

One of the funny things about it is "Texas Darlin'" isn't actually from Texas. Her blog used to be about the perils of being a pro-Clinton yuppy from Southern California, until she decided that a folksy persona would work better, scrubbed her diary of all things Los Angeles, and redubbed herself "TexasDarlin".

The lefty blogs know her well, and refer to her as "SoCalDarlin".

[TomSawyer, Jr.]

Hey Jack:
If you go adopt and raise a poor orphan child from Bangladesh, I promise not rag you about it. Deal?

[Someone Who Doesn\'t Want to L]

Natalie Merchant | August 11, 2008, 1:08pm | #

Johnny Nowhere | August 11, 2008, 12:07pm | #
what this situation calls for is for somebody to ask Obama some hard-hitting quesitons, and then post his answers on youtube.

If only we had a bold decisive leader who could help formulate the questions...

Wow ! My pussy is dripping wet just thinking of such a sexy man!

I just wanted to say that this was awesome.

[Dave S.]

First of all, why doesn't Obama come clean and produce a legitimate birth certificate like McCain did.

Secondly, You cannot be president with dual citizenship. Obama was an Indonesian citizen going to an Indonesian school as a Muslim with the name Barry Soetoro.

If there is nothing corrupt going on Obama should simply produce his original birth certificate and his passport.

This reminds me of the passport break-in a few months back. Was Obama involved in that too.

We deserve to know who is really running for president, and if he is eligible or not.

I tend to believe there is fraud and forgery going on here because that is how Obama "won" his delegates in the caucuses. He sent his goons in to the caucuses to steal delegates using fraud, theft, threats, and force.

If he can't come up with the truth he should back out and let Hillary be the nominee. She did win the people's votes after all.

And, she can easily beat McCain without all this bad judgement, corrupt friends, racist and un-American preachers, flip-flopping, lack of experience, no worldly knowledge, no record of accomplishments, dual-citizenship, ineligible, fraud stuff that the GOP will pounce on right after the convention.

[Tristan]

There's a bigotry going around that if you don't support Obama than you must be either a) a racist, or b) a racist nutjob who thinks he's muslim, or maybe c) a racist rabid "Strom Thurmond" republican.

Yes, there are probably a few people like that, but please, let's give the American public more credit. I believe the overwhelming majority of people are not voting for Obama because they don't believe he has the experience to deal with the problems that this country faces, specifically the economy and foreign policy. He has zero executive experience, and zero foreign policy experience, and that is what scares thinking people, not his "funny name".

And then there are a lot of voters who just like John McCain. Why? Because he's white? Because he's christian? No, because he's likable and a genuine war hero, and has a proven record of reaching across the aisle on issues like campaign finance reform, judicial nominations, etc. He's not a "wingnut". It's also easier to trust someone you've known for a while, so a McCain flip flop doesn't do the damage of an Obama flip flop.

But isn't McCain four more years of Bush? No. Give the American voters credit for this one too. McCain was never a part of the Bush administration. Obama isn't Clinton or Carter and McCain isn't Bush or Reagan. They are in fact all different people.

So enough with this phony reporting that denigrates American judgement. People are examining both candidates and making decisions, which is how the process is supposed to work. And yes, the Democrats made a mistake by nominating their weakest candidate rather than the strongest - but what else is new.

[Samuel]

So in America, when someone becomes president, they achieved this by throwing the most flak at all the other presidential candidates? I don't understand why political parties don't focus more on on what they can do for a country, rather than wasting so much time on shooting everyone else down...

[trevor]

"Lynch King, Jr." would have been a nice dog whistle to the racists if they'd played it right in '76.

[Bret_G]

Ok, I have to admit it; I just love the Hillary supporters. After all it they dislike Barack Obama as much as I do. When the enemy is engaged in a bloody civil war you give aid to both sides of the conflict and let them fight to the death. The ideal is to prolong the war not to stop it. Let us pray that this bloody feud plays into the Democratic National Convention.

That is why the vast rightwing conspiracy aka the new media must get to the bottom of this whole thing. We need to independently verify the validity of Obama's birth certificate and the most outlandish claims of this "Techdude". In theory by using clean files and his mythology it can be reproduced either verifying or disproving his claims.

The mileage gained is priceless. If all that we are able to prove is that image of a birth certificate is indeed a forgery we can ask: If team Obama was willing to lie about this; what else is he willing to lie about? Never mind about the question of motive or the more spectacular claims. The story and its deeper implications would hound him the rest of the campaign.

Then of course if it proved that Clinton supporters deliberately faked their forensic evidence about this alleged fakery it is in itself newsworthy. I mean just how divided is the Democratic Party? Just how dissatisfied are the Hilary supporters? What are the full lengths they are willing to get Hillary nominated?

These are the stories that could help steal the thunder from the Democratic National Convention. Please give Rush Limbaugh a nice present. Please investigate this story and find a story angle that promotes operation chaos.

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You cannot be president with dual citizenship.

I guess we're boned then, because John McCain has dual citizenship. Everybody born in the Canal Zone is a Panamanian citizen, even if you were born on a military base. The base just gets you American citizenship, it doesn't keep you from being Panamanian. And Panama allows full dual citizenship, unlike Indonesia or Kenya where dual citizenship is only allowed for children, and expires when you hit legal majority. (18 and 21 respectively) McCain can take his birth certificate down to the embassy and pick up a Panamanian passport any time he wants.

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[johnny]

Jack wrote:
"Obama obviously altered his birth certificate to conceal the fact that he's really John McCain's illegitimate black lovechild. That's why McCain never mentions the issue."

HAHAHAHA WELL PLAYED SIR.

[Vic]

I stumbled onto the TexasDarlin blog earlier today and my head about imploded. I knew it was trash, I could see it was trash, but it was like watching a train wreck and I couldn't stop reading it. Good heavens some people need to just asphyxiate themselves and stop wasting precious oxygen.

How on earth exactly does a "Forensic specialist" chip away at a rasterized image and find anything? The only thing behind one layer in a rasterized image is...nothing. Before someone says "because he's a Forensic specialist", uh, please, so am I according to my university transcripts. "Techdude" is probably some liberal blogger having a whole lot of fun at TexasDarlin's expense.

[Kevin]

The post with Techdude's startling revelation has been removed.

Indeed.

[Vito]

A few things:
-Natalie's post was amazing, and makes me want to step up as leader of the free world.
-People are being a little rough on dmooney, etc. They are entitled to their opinions, and while we are entitled to ridicule them for these same opinions, we don't need to debase ourselves by stooping to (frankly) childish insults. Even if they are really, really funny...
-I am just as disgusted with the political scene as everyone else here. In fact, it reminds me a great deal of the nation-weakening infighting that has led great states to snazzy new forms of government--such as facism, dictatorship, theocracy, etc. Yikes. Quit spending so much time gutting one another, and find some freaking common ground.
-The sad fact of my life is that I have not yet settled on which of our two fine candidates will be my 2008 Choice for Lesser of Two Evils. They are both poor choices. BO has a whopping 4 years on the job. JC has all of the iron-spined fortitude of self-governing principle of a sea cucumber. God (or Allah, or Buddha, or Zeus or Mithras, etc--whatever your line may be) help us.
-I will now brace myslef for the inevitable verbal flogging I am about to receive. Or the cold silence. Thanks.

[decentAmerican]

you Obama supporters just amaze me with your self imposed ignorance and refusal of the truth. First of all, there is an AP endorsed photo of Obama's (aka soetoro) Indonesian school registration, indicating his citizenship as Indonesian, and his religion as Muslim. THAT DOCUMENT'S EXISTENCE IS FACT. Is there anything wrong with being Indonesian or Muslim? Of course not. But what is wrong, and downright evil, is that Obama (Soetoro) has based his entire candidacy and identity on a LIE. He has lied, and continues to lie about it ("I have never been a Muslim". ) If there is nothing wrong with being Muslim,then why does he have to lie about it? He is a pure and unadulterated fraud and liar.

Not only that, but he also lied on his Illionis bar application, saying he has never had other aliases. Again, it is not an issue that he had prior names or not; what is an issue, is that he LIED. Do you understand that? You are clearly the dumbest people on the internet if you don't understand the true fraud that is Obama (Soetoro).

[Tom]

All BHO has to do is present a valid Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth; one that has the state seal and the signature of the certifying official and all the conspiracy theories go away. Since he refuses to do this simple thing, he is either not who claims to be, or too dumb to be president. The one that BHO's campaign gave to KOS to publish is a 100% fake - and the beat goes on....

[misanthropicus]

Rumors? Well rumors, but since the damage generated by the rumors concerning Obama's CB greatly exceed (politically) the expenses of having the document made available for public scrutiny (action that would put the matter to rest), why the Obamatons take the irrationality path and prefer to have more and more of this besieging them?

[misanthropicus]

decentAmerican & Tom: you're perfectly right - and I want to remind the Obamatons that eventually Clinton's biggest problem turned out to be not what he did with monica Levisnsky, but the fact that HE LIED under oath. Had he taken the "I was a knucklehead" path, the scandal would wave pettered off after a while - yet his little lies got him in troubles.
So is Barry's most excellent adventure - one or more little lies and...

[MomOf5]

http://purplechiten.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/baracks-barry-soetoro-school-records-found/

The AP caption reads: "This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam. (AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)"

[Momof5]

barrysoetoro.com

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