Militarization of Police

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First, weirdly, a local news anchor organized a kickball fundraiser for the family Det. Jarrod Shivers over the weekend. Among those in attendance: former President Bill Clinton.

This morning, the Virginian-Pilot has a long profile of suspect Ryan Frederick. He certainly doesn't seem like a dangerous cop killer. Friends, neighbors, co-workers, and family describe him as a friendly, decent, hard-working guy who'd had some rough times. By 28 he had already lost both parents, and most recently, his grandmother. He'd also recently gotten engaged. They reiterated that Frederick was an avid gardener. None say they had any knowledge of him selling drugs. Neighbors say there was little in the way of traffic at Frederick's home. Seems this raid took square aim at an occasional, recreational pot smoker.

In fact, the only negative passage in the entire profile comes from a guy who knows nothing at all about Frederick:

Officers are still in shock three weeks later, said Jack Bider, president of the Chesapeake Fraternal Order of Police and a friend of Shivers.

"Here we have a citizen, not only a citizen of Chesapeake, but a police officer trying to make a living, and this guy shoots through a door," Bider said. "Let's remove the police factor out of it. What if it was a Girl Scout knocking at his door on this cold and rainy night and she slips on his porch and falls onto the door? Is he going to shoot through the door then?"

Shivers was trying to "make a living" by breaking into the home—after dark, with a weapon—of a man guilty of nothing more than a misdemeanor. Also, Frederick may have shot through the door, but according to press reports thus far, he shot as Shivers was attempting to crawl through one of the lower panels, which suggests it had been kicked in. Let's be clear, here. This was a home invasion. It would take an awfully large girl scout to mimic what Frederick must have heard that night by simply tripping and falling.

Thanks to reason commenter Rimfax for setting up a Wiki with an archive of posts on the Frederick case. Catch up here.

Correction:  My assertion that press accounts say Shivers was "crawling through one of the lower panels" of Frederick's door is incorrect.  Explanation here.

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  1. Radley Balko,

    Great Article…but knowing the justice system, they’re gonna hang Frederick.

    Police, government, prosecutors, and of the like HATE IT WHEN THEIR AUTHORITY IS QUESTIONED. Look at the number of innocent people being released from prison. The police/prosecutors rarely, if ever, appologize for taking 10-20 years away from an innocent person.

    I hope this attitude with Police Change

  2. The good old FOP: protecting dirty and bad cops for decades. What is the point in badmouthing Frederick here? Shivers is dead, and you can’t bring him back. Is it vindictiveness that makes this asshole want to put Frederick in the clink for life?

  3. Episiarch, it’s vindictiveness with a purpose:

    If private citizens were to think that they were just as good as cops then how would these people get their jollies?

    The little people have to be kept in their place.

  4. So it is the FOP’s position that any random person at Frederick’s door would have been shot? We’re supposed to believe that any random person showing up at Frederick’s house would have been blown away for no reason? How stupid would one have to be to believe that? Oh, FOP. My bad.

  5. of a man guilty of nothing more than a misdemeanor

    In case you forgot…marijuana is currently illegal, and, based on enforcement priorities among the most serious crimes. Unless you forgot, criminals need to be in jail. Society doesn’t want pot heads, much less murders out and about. Misdemeanor or not, he broke the law and got what he deserved. He should get lethal injection cause he killed a cop.

  6. What if it was a Girl Scout knocking at his door on this cold and rainy night and she slips on his porch and falls onto the door? Is he going to shoot through the door then?

    Better safe than sorry. Any Girl Scout stopping by after dark is obviously a drug dealer anyway, and therefore deserves the pitiless justice of hot lead.

  7. I think one of the things that shocks me most about cops is how utterly callous they seem to be about arresting people for things that can destroy a person’s life.

    They just honestly don’t seem to give the slightest shit that what they do can have incredibly negative consequences for people who are not harming anyone else.

    I am of course not referring to murderers, rapists, thieves, etc., but MJ smokers, people with a .085 BAC, and so on.

  8. What if it was a Girl Scout knocking at his door on this cold and rainy night and she slips on his porch and falls onto the door?

    Then she deseved to die.
    Hey, if the cops can make up stupid incoherent analogies, I can spout stupid nonsense as well.

    Jack Bider, I’m sorry your buddy got killed by a citzen rightly defending his home against out of control, unidentified cops, wwho were breaking down his door. Don’t look to Ryan Frederick while assessing responsibility. Look to the Chesapeake police department.

  9. Proofreading is for the timid. 😉

  10. “Here we have a citizen, not only a citizen of Chesapeake, but a police officer trying to make a living, and this guy shoots through a door,” Bider said. “Let’s remove the police factor out of it. What if it was a Girl Scout knocking at his door on this cold and rainy night and she slips on his porch and falls onto the door? Is he going to shoot through the door then?”

    If he did, the charge would probably be a variation on manslaughter, and no one would be calling for the death penalty.

  11. Last I knew, Girl Scouts didn’t have riot gear, not to mention it would have to be one retarded Girl Scout to continue falling into the door over and over. One slip and fall isn’t likely to rouse anyone’s slumber. A nightstick at your door repeatedly… that’s another story.

    Talk about a straw man… now, consider it burnt (no pun intended).

  12. Thomas…we know ur troll’n again

  13. reason wiki: perfect for tracking this kind of stuff

  14. YES THOSE GIRL SCOUTS DESERVED TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!

  15. People “just trying to make a living” get killed every day. The truck driver who fucks up and flips his truck over and dies was just trying to make a living to. Sometimes life is like that. The fact is this guy fucked up and went to the wrong house, crawled through a door panel without identifying himself and got his head blown off. Shit happens.

  16. “Let’s remove the police factor out of it.”

    Gosh, that just makes it really, really convenient so that you can make the point of what otherwise is just jerkin’ off.

  17. They should change the motto on police cars.Instead of “Protect and serve’ it should say ‘To arrest and jail”.

  18. I think one of the things that shocks me most about cops is how utterly callous they seem to be about arresting people for things that can destroy a person’s life.

    Not true. They care very much about arresting copse for things that can destroy their life. Peruse the news stories and cops reactions at http://www.policelink.com . Note that when the perp is a “civilian,” harsh punishments are deserved and no trial is thought of. When s/he’s a cop, the commenters get real introspective about how you can’t assume guilt, and there could be a lot more to the story, etc., etc.

  19. If the grow operation is in the garage, then you need to be looking for it in the garage. detective Shivers should have realized that from the face of the warrant. Darwin Award.

  20. Dave, I heard that Frederick was growing sugar cane in the garage to make his own home-made real sugar soda. That was the real motivation for the raid.

  21. Any Girl Scout stopping by after dark is obviously a drug dealer anyway, and therefore deserves the pitiless justice of hot lead.

    Besides, Girl Scout Cookies do not contain even a single gram of actual Girl Scouts.

  22. I wish a girl scout would break down my door in the dead of night and force me to eat her cookies.

  23. I wish a girl scout would break down my door in the dead of night and force me to eat her cookies.

    Did you intend for this to be as perverted as it comes across?

  24. Also, if Shivers had gotten thru that door and found Frederick standing there with a gun, carefully waiting to see who was coming in, then Frederick would be dead now.

  25. I wish a girl scout would break down my door in the dead of night and force me to eat her cookies.

    You know a cub scount becomes a boy scout when he eats his first brownie.

  26. Ahh, Mr Brooks, my mental image of your online visage has forever changed. Not due to the Girl Scout crack. [smirks] But we saw that movie a couple of weeks ago. Mr Brooks. You are doomed forever in my mines eye to look like an aging Kevin Costner in Buddy Holly glasses with penchant for dispatching others in a callous manner.

    OTOH, I am rarely correct in how I picture online people I’ve never personally met.

  27. Perverted?

  28. Now that I give it more thought. Bider’s statement is a perfect illustration of the twisted double standard that police have for themselves. How often do we hear that it was totally acceptable for an officer to mistake whatever a person was holding (wallet, hairbrush, remote control, cell phone) for a gun because the situation required a split second decision and the officer had to protect his own safety? Naturally, similar “civilian” mistakes are treated as obviously criminal.

    What kind of society do we live in where the people who have are supposedly trained to handle these situations have a lower standard of negligence than people with no training at all?

  29. I think one of the things that shocks me most about cops is how utterly callous they seem to be about arresting people for things that can destroy a person’s life.

    There just doing their jobs. If you don’t like a law, have the legislators change it, but as long as it is on the books, it is your duty to know about it and obey it, and their responsibility to arrest you if you don’t.

  30. Episiarch | February 11, 2008, 10:38am | #

    Dave, I heard that Frederick was growing sugar cane in the garage to make his own home-made real sugar soda. That was the real motivation for the raid.

    Number 6, this is Number 2. Episiarch is getting too close to the truth. Terminate.

  31. Number 6, this is Number 2. Episiarch is getting too close to the truth. Terminate.

    Shit. Here comes the big white balloon thing again.

  32. When I was a Boy Sprout we had our own little ditty that was a slight variation on the Boy Scout Pledge (or whatever it was called)

    On my honor
    I will do my best
    To help the Girl Scouts
    Get undressed

    Greatest camp out we ever had was one August after 6th Grade in Peters Canyon (no pun intended) where our troop happened to be camped right next to a troop of Girl Scouts.

    Right then a whole lot of us suddenly realized that, contrary to previously held belief, girls were not all that icky.

  33. I’m starting to think Thomas isn’t actually a troll. Uh oh.

  34. What kind of society do we live in where the people who have are supposedly trained to handle these situations have a lower standard of negligence than people with no training at all?

    Lords and serfs.

  35. and their responsibility to arrest you if you don’t.

    Which is why the Sheriff always shows up the next day when you call in about a loud party.

  36. Laugh all u want, but the agents of Big Cola wouldn’t mess around like this. That is how we know Frederick wasn’t growing cane.

  37. Thin mints are my favorite. Like cocaine for eaters. Salt and vinegar potato chips being the crack for eaters.

  38. You know a cub scount becomes a boy scout when he eats his first brownie.

    How do you explain then the virginal status of most eagle scouts?

  39. Eagle scounts are pimps.

  40. Yeah, Big Cola would’ve just disappeared Frederick and his entire house with one of those vacuum-ball things from The Arrival.

  41. Right then a whole lot of us suddenly realized that, contrary to previously held belief, girls were not all that icky.

    TWC –

    Camp, sixth grade, the fair sex. Thanks for bringing back some fond memories. For me it was public school 6th grade camp rather than the scouts, but the boy/girl paragigm certainly changed.

  42. Graphite, Frederick doesn’t really look like Charlie Sheen, so I think your premise fails.

  43. Large Girls Scouts? I bet these Girls could smash down your door!
    Hungarian Girl Scouts

  44. What if it was a Girl Scout knocking at his door on this cold and rainy night and she slips on his porch and falls onto the door? Is he going to shoot through the door then?”

    Then I saw little Tiffany. I’m thinking, y’know, eight-year-old white girl, middle of a sketchy neighborhood, bunch of monsters, this time of night with Girl Scout Cookies? She about to start some shit, Zed. She’s about eight years old, and selling cookies without her parents is WAY too advanced for her. If you ask me, I’d say she’s up to something. And to be honest, I’d appreciate it if you eased up off my back about it.

  45. OT, but I got my own thread devoted to me on policelink.com

    I feel honored.

  46. I got my own thread devoted to me on policelink.com

    I hope you don’t get one at the Agitator.

  47. OT, but I got my own thread devoted to me on policelink.com

    Which one? I feel like getting outraged today.

  48. “””What if it was a Girl Scout knocking at his door on this cold and rainy night and she slips on his porch and falls onto the door? “””

    What a moron. How many Girl Scouts knock on your door at 4am?

  49. Camp, sixth grade, the fair sex. Thanks for bringing back some fond memories.

    J Sub, yeah, it was an interesting time. My boy is 11, which is partly why it was on my mind.

    Saturday night Katie (age 9) had a friend spend the night and Jake (age 11) had a friend spend the night. Jake’s buddy is all excited and tells Jake that he’ll bring the light sabers and stuff over.

    Jake says, Dude, you can’t do that, there’s girls over at our house.

  50. How do you explain then the virginal status of most eagle scouts?

    Cuz they’re, like, 7th graders. 🙂

  51. “They should change the motto on police cars.Instead of “Protect and serve’ it should say ‘To arrest and jail” “Oppress and Subjugate”.

    There FIFY

  52. Dammit, now I’m confused, the white guy gets slammed by the police, the black guy gets freed. joe, your reality is failing here.

    Ep-Thanks for the warning on the other thread, but I’m not trying to start a pissing contest. I don’t have time to play posts all day long, I actually do have to work instead of sitting up there in white suburban Mass making up crap about how I am the friend of all the poor black people and other minorities in the world, though it’s only within “my” definition of “help”. I just pay them for working, I guess that’s not helping as I’m not renting my clothing and shedding tears as I’m three shades lighter than that guy, and two shades darker than that guy, and about seven shades darker than the guy over there, and I only speak english, spanish, and a bit of Haitian, but not white liberal Mass prickhead. So, all I can do is point out that joe’s reality has a few problems, and he’ll show himself for what he is.

    Amusingly, he apparantly is calling me a “troll” now as he has no substantive backup for anything, I will sign on to Jennifer’s response. It seems that more agree with me than don’t on him, though, and my point is not to start a long drawn out thing. I’d rather joe just went and fucked himself with a baseball bat, personally, I have no desire that Reason waste bandwidth on him.

    Now back to work. Whine away joe, fuckwit moron ye be, go tear up and rip clothing and feel baaaaaad for being white. Really baaaaad, then send me money for having darker skin so you feel better.

  53. First, weirdly, a local news anchor organized a kickball fundraiser for the family Det. Jarrod Shivers over the weekend. Among those in attendance: former President Bill Clinton.

    I’d pay good money to kick either Clinton in the balls. I bet the fundraiser went well.

  54. 71 posts already about little ol’ me. I’m touched.

    The detective crack was great – but you should have left out ‘pigs’ and just put ‘guys’. But I did like how they defaced your entry

    However, my absolute favorite is when the mod calls you out for being abusive and banning you, while everyone else pelts you with virtual fruit with no actions taken against them – to the contrary they were greated with lots of cheers.

    There’s definitely a lesson here in the meta-context.

  55. Cuz they’re, like, 7th graders. 🙂

    Oh are they? I’ve always seen pics in small town papers describing them as seniors. Having girls, I don’t know the stages of boy scouting and assumed eagle was a late high school thing.

  56. There’s definitely a lesson here in the meta-context.

    Don’t I know it!

  57. Kolohe,

    Yeah. It was fun while it lasted, though. I should have left the “pigs” crack out.

  58. Aw, whatssamatter, Other Matt, people decided they wanted to talk about the subject of the thread instead of me?

    I really do matter a great deal to you, don’t I?

    *ha ha*

  59. (without further comment)

    From the policelink website:

    TOP TEN REJECTED SWAT TEAMS T-SHIRT:

    1. “Ready to rumble.” 2. “Be afraid . . . be very afraid.” 3. “I got yer can’a whoop-ass right here.” 4. “You call, we kill.” 5. “Death-o-gram.” 6. “I completed a special sniper-training course in Austria and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.” 7. “Don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.” 8. “If it bleeds, we can kill it.” 9. “The Legion of Doom.” 10. “I came to bring the pain.

  60. I don’t know the stages of boy scouting and assumed eagle was a late high school thing.

    Unless things have changed dramatically, that is the exception. Most kids are all done with Scouts by end of 7th grade. Part peer pressure and part a change of interests.

  61. I’ve always seen pics in small town papers describing them as seniors

    Those Boy Scouts *ARE* virgins. Or they are two faced frauds who the adults think are the perfect kid they never had. All the while they maintain the front of this perfect little boy scout while letting all their friends get burned down for smoking, drinking, partying, and petty theft when they’re actually the ring leaders who brought the beer to the party. Sort of like politicians. Ever notice that there are a lot of former Eagle Scouts in politics?

  62. and leave this site for the people who put their lives on the line every day to protect your sorry A$$!

    Saw this on the cop site that John-David so inflamed…….

    I’ve never, ever had a cop put his life on the line for my sorry ass. In fact, the few times I’ve genuinely needed one they walked away or didn’t show up at all.

  63. There’s definitely a lesson here in the meta-context.

    Someone should start a website that’s just an aggregator of the ridiculous things that get said on policelink. It would be a real eye-opener.

    However, my absolute favorite is when the mod calls you out for being abusive and banning you, while everyone else pelts you with virtual fruit with no actions taken against them – to the contrary they were greated with lots of cheers.

    On a similar note, I once saw a news post on policelink talking about an ex-NFL player giving some cops trouble. One commenter posted on how this sort of thing will keep happening until society embraces eugenics. Another commenter seconded. Not one person (mod or otherwise) called them out on it.

  64. John-David, what was your comment in the news thread? They deleted it when they banned you.

  65. Other Matt, don’t take this the wrong way, your obsession with joe is kind of pathetic, and your posts aren’t one tenth as clever as you obviously think they are.

    A lot of people agree with you about joe, but it’s a fair bet that a lot of those same people think you’re kind of a waste of space, especially when your main purpose here seems to be to goad people into childish pissing contests (your amusingly implausible denial of that point at 12:58 PM notwithstanding).

    If you’re really that desperate for joe’s attention, just send him a personal e-mail instead of clogging up threads with your crap.

    Thanks in advance.

  66. Smappy,

    Basically it was: Self-defense my ass. If this guy wasn’t a police cadet you’d be calling for the death penalty.

    Apparently they consider that to be “trollish”.

  67. Miche & TWC,

    A 7th grade Eagle Scout would be a rarity, and is almost impossible (unless he stayed backed) because higher ranks require some length of service at that particular rank before the next rank can be achieved. Eagle must be achieved before the scout’s 18th birthday, so if you wait too long at the lower ranks, it is impossible to achieve. As for IGGY’s comment at 1:26, boy scouts are just as likely as non-scouts to act like teenage boys.

  68. Respect my AUTHORITA.

  69. my absolute favorite is when the mod calls you out for being abusive and banning you, while everyone else pelts you with virtual fruit with no actions taken against them

    Try “Mothering Dot Commmune”, what they call their Web board.

  70. If the Girl Scout was trying to sell him cookies, he’d be fully justified in shooting her – at least according to MeMe Roth:

    http://www.american.com/archive/2007/february-0207/girl-scouts-want-you-to-die

  71. I dunno Six, we all moved from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts at the beginning of 5th Grade. Most of the guys I knew in Scouts were gone by the summer after 7th grade. True enough the’re weren’t many Eagle Scouts (I was mostly making a hyperbolic point about virginity–not many 16 year olds are still in Boy Scouts), but of the few that stayed behind, many, if not all were Life or Eagle by end of 8th grade. We charged through the lower ranks and you only had to have six months time in grade for 1st Class, Star, & Life. I knew several scouts who stayed in that were Eagle by end of 8th grade.

    For most of us, it was a lot of fun, but life changes at that age come fast and our interest waned. Suddenly. Funny too, at that age you’re just moving on without any particular regrets. Yeah, it was great, what’s next?

  72. I was listening to the classic gangsta rap song “Fuck tha police” just now, when the following couple of lines caught my attention:

    (Knock knock knock) “Yo man, what you need?”
    “Police, open up now. We have a warrant for Ezy-E’s arrest.”

    How quaint! Police actually knocking at someone’s door, intelligibly announcing their presence, and then waiting for the occupant to open the door.

  73. Let’s remove the police factor out of it.

    So without the “police factor” we have an intruder, at night, with an automatic weapon, breaking down a citizen’s door and crawling in through the bottom panel.

    Open. Self-defense. Shut.

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