Man Has Invented His Doom/First Step Was Touching the Moon
Science reveals grim truth: germs sent out into orbit return--as wacky, koo-koo super germs, packed with extra deadliosity. USA Today chills our blood:
Researchers placed identical strains of salmonella in containers and sent one into space aboard the shuttle, while the second was kept on Earth, under similar temperature conditions to the one in space.
After the shuttle returned, mice were given varying oral doses of the salmonella and then were watched.
After 25 days, 40% of the mice given the Earth-bound salmonella were still alive, compared with just 10% of those dosed with the germs from space. And the researchers found it took about one-third as much of the space germs to kill half the mice, compared with the germs that had been on Earth.
The researchers found 167 genes had changed in the salmonella that went to space.
Link from the invaluable Rational Review.
Bob Dylan warns against space travel (and stagnant pools); this germ news certainly gives further reason to avoid growing food on the Moon and eating it raw.
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Okay, have we seen anything supporting that in astronauts? Have they come back and demonstrated increased incidences of or more intense infections from disease?
Interesting that the mutation rate is higher. Is that solely attributable to increased radiation exposure? Hmmm.
Can you say "Moonraker"? Sure, I knew you could.
ProGLib:
hier
Dylan reference. Nice.
@VM: To the moon, Alice.
VM,
I see you've been doing your Lifeforce research. Similar movie, different naked woman. And it has Gandhi instead of Picard.
Uh, we already covered this in The Andromeda Strain.
Wait...that wasn't non-fiction? DAMN YOU MICHAEL CRICHTON
PL,
That wouldn't have happened, becasuse our astroauts go into space in a sterile environment or something close to it, not into space with salmonella lying around.
It's okay; V'ger will come back and destroy us all anyway.
But do they taste any better?
joe,
Astronauts carry a whole host of bacteria and viruses into space in their innards.
Unless Nomad has sterilized them first. Sterilize!
I seem to recall a story about some cosmonaut who got stuck in orbit while Mother Russia was falling apart, and by the time he came down, he had some sort of horrific skin fungus.
Was that a movie or real life? I think David Hasselhoff was involved somehow, but alas, that doesn't help make the distinction ...
My mother told me that algae floating on stagnant water in drainage ditches would give me polio. But this, well THIS NEW space bugs is bound to spawn a bunch of 1950's style horror movies.
Episiarch,
YOU HAVE UTTERED THE MOST FOUL NAME IN SF!
BANNED FOR THREE TURNS!
Well, there's always that guy who melted.
That wouldn't have happened, becasuse our astroauts go into space in a sterile environment or something close to it, not into space with salmonella lying around.
Y'know, like hospitals.
Always with the negative waves around here. Sure, mutant space bugs will kill a few million, but a select few of us will catch diseases that give us super powers.
It's hardly sterile up there, joe. Not on our spacecraft, and certainly not on the old Mir station:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/not_in_website/syndication/monitoring/media_reports/1209034.stm
I recall some interviews with US astronauts who'd been on Mir, and said it smelled a lot like a gym locker. I'm not aware of any fatal cases of athlete's foot, though...
I don't know whether space travel will lead to mutant superpowers or total destruction by mutant germs, but I do know that it will be best if we let the market decide.
DEMAND KURVE!!!!!!!!!!!
🙂
YOU HAVE UTTERED THE MOST FOUL NAME IN SF!
When did I say "Piers Anthony" at all?
Touche.
Ahem, L. Ron __________. Name one SF author fouler. I dare you.
It's already begun;
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/in-peru-a-crater-and-questions/?hp
Well, you would have to consider L. Ron a sci fi writer, which I do not. I consider him to be insane, and not in the good Philip K. Dick way.
Pro Lib,
Astronauts carry a whole host of bacteria and viruses into space in their innards.
Where they are constantly kept under control by the astronaut's immune systems, as opposed to being in a culture designed to promote their unimpeded growth.
J sub D,
Yes, as opposed to hospitals. Where on earth did you get the idea that hospitals are sterile? Other ways that the Space Shuttle is unlike a hospital: the absence of sick people, the total population of about 4.
Umbriel,
True enough, but our own space shuttles, where American astronauts spend most of their time, are brought down and sterilized more than a permanent orbitting platform, are going to be quite cleaner.
Uh, joe, we've already geek threadjacked this thread for bad SF, so you'd better get on board.
joe,
Then we can avoid a host of space-borne illnesses by not sending cultures into space? Well, problem solved!
I just hope that the astronauts don't sneeze, exhale, or surrender their precious bodily fluids during flights, allowing bacteria and viruses to escape into the cockpit, and resulting in death for many and super powers for some.
I hope I get something pratical like instant transportation, and none of this "super strenght"/"flying"/"x-ray vision" bullshit that wouldn't be that useful in real life..
You first have to separate out the things that L. Ron actually wrote and had ghost-written... nah, it's all shit.
As for an SF author that is a throughly bad writer, in the technical sense, and is praised fairly consistently, I'd have to go with E. E. "Doc" Smith.
Anyway, my annoyance with THAT FOUL CREATURE has to do with the public's acceptance of him as "spokesperson" for SF and his work being the main interface for non-genre readers. That and the whole "Time Line? Why didn't someone think of writing a novel about time travel before?" phenomenon. It's like judging all of American cuisine by having a meal at Hardee's.
So, it turns out that space herpes is real?
As a microbiologist, I should weigh in on this, but... meh.
Dibs on the "talking to animals" power. Either that or the ability to control electricity...
Super strength and flying have no use? Ah, you lack imagination, Grasshopper. Especially if the other key power--invulnerability--comes with the package.
I have this sneaking suspicion that talking to animals would kind of suck.
"Eat. Food. Smell food. Mmm butt smell."
"Superman, what do we do?"
"Wonder Woman, go brief the President. Batman, go get the rest of the SuperFriends. Aquaman...you go talk to some fish."
(all erupt in laughter)
SugarFree, I hate to be serious but Crichton is a very interesting writer. He isn't really SciFi, he is more "near SciFi" or "tomorrow fiction". He writes about stuff that is very close or possible, but still speculative. I have never considered him real SciFi like a Bradbury or Matheson or Brin.
a wise policy!
(whoops)
forgot the: "a wise policy. and good advice! cheers!"
Whatever you do, do NOT leave an opened jar of mayonnaise to float around about a space craft.
Unless all the astronauts on board are hot space babes in silver space-thong bikinis. Then erotic hilariousness ensues!
*takes magazine and heads to Stevo's zero gravity chamber*
Episiarch,
I hate you being serious too.
The term you are looking for (coined by Bruce Sterling) is "slipstream fiction."
I don't think much of Crichton as a writer, because I refuse to engage him as a "mainstream writer who writes in SF," but rather as "a poor writer of SF who is inexplicably popular." He's always 15 years behind and praised as being a visionary. It bugs me. Although, I think if the overculture didn't constantly identify him as an SF genius, the enbuggenning would eventually fade.
As for popularized SF, have you ever read any Robert J. Sawyer? For working in the same thought-spaces as Crichton, I think he does a much better job of it. (His gentle, Canadian liberalism can be irritating for those who cannot turn off their politics while reading fiction. Not that I'm suggesting that about you.) I'd start with his Neanderthal Parallax trilogy.
Episiarch,
In space, no one can hear you troll.
It took 25 days to kill the mice? That's not a very powerful 'super-bug.' I once put four mice in a cage with a large Rat Snake. After 25 minutes, all the mice were dead. I guess I had a super snake! Who knew?
joe, if you'd get on board (the spaceship) there would be air and then you could hear just fine.
We looked at the trap, Ray.
I think your hate of TEH CRICHTON is misplaced. He does some pretty entertaining work with some research thrown in.
As an insatiable reader as a kid I read tons of SciFi and I wasn't overly discriminating, because that would have seriously reduced my available reading material (I used to read 3-4 books at a time so that if my parents took 1 or more away I could switch to another).
As I have gotten older, I have become more particular and therefore have been using my very limited reading time to cover authors I know I love like Richard Matheson, Heinlein, Brin, etc. Thanks for the recommendation.
I wish I could return to those glory days of devouring tons of SciFi but it just ain't gonna happen.
VM,
What are the implications here on the Lunar Sex Prize? Will our geeky astronaut hordes be infected by some sort of super space STD? Is there, after all, a flaw in our plan?
We are the MicroBorg. Viral resistance is futile.
Obviously, we must go into space and mutate ourselves... to keep up with the germs...
Geeks don't have sex-- therfore, no STDs
Captain Singapore,
Yes, that's the whole point of the Lunar Sex Prize. Offer geeks with rocket science capabilities the opportunity to have relations with Salma Hayek (or functional equivalent) if they can get to the Moon and back without government assistance. Since we'll be providing them with an otherwise improbable opportunity, STDs from space are a real risk.
Episiarch,
My mother didn't take books away, but was a source of constant interruption. Reading fast and the ability to block out all external stimuli while reading were valuable skills I never lost. The Wife and I are DINK librarians, so the weekends where the weather rules out disc golf are wall-to-wall reading. We have so many books that no one sane would ever help us move. (Through vicious weeding, I keep my SF down to less than 1000.)
My home library is now in the thousands, much to the chagrin of my lovely and talented wife.
Little help here.
Did Episiarch miss my sci-fi reference, or did I miss his?
I suspect the latter.
Aren't salmonella tiny salmon? I like 'em smoked to that perfect, rich, orangy-pink color.
I watched Alien and heard plenty o' screamin'.
Did Episiarch miss my sci-fi reference, or did I miss his?
Alien. I was just continuing the "all your threads are belong to us" theme.
Someone set up us the germ.
Aren't salmonella tiny salmon?
No, they're female salmon, Einstein. Get a load of this guy.
Jane Fonda was teh HOT in that movie.
Aliens had even more screaming, but that was mostly on the surface of a planet. Still, it's clear that people hear other people scream all of the time in space. Whether getting torn to pieces on a ship with someone else or hearing the screams over radio, hearing people scream in space is commonplace. If Hollywood is a good guide, anyway.
Excuse me, but why wasn't there a control group batch here on Earth exposed to the same amount of radiation, just to separate the variables?
Actually, if you were out in the space and exposed to hard vacuum, then no one could hear you scream.
Although, screaming would be a good idea (exhaling keeps your lungs from bursting.)
ProGLib:
no consequences whatsoever. Pocket protectors also double as unbreakable space condoms!
joe - awesome Jane Fonda comment. LOL!!!
So the slogan for the movie should've been: "In space, no one can hear you scream. Unless you're in a ship with other people or your spacesuit has a radio. Or unless you're just totally alone."
I'm trying to remember one person screaming in a hard vacuum in Alien. I think they all screamed while on board their ship.
Ah, excellent news, Dr. Moose. Technology continues to amaze and confound me.
"And the researchers found it took about one-third as much of the space germs to kill half the mice, compared with the germs that had been on Earth."
And how's the delivery system coming? Have they tried it on any Iraqi villages yet? Maybe they could put sprinkle candy bars around in the street; snipers could dart the "subjects" as they pick up the candy bars.
IN SPACE, IF YOU SCREAM, PEOPLE WILL FUCKING IGNORE YOU OR TELL YOU TO SHUT THE HELL UP.
Drat! Either "put" or "sprinkle" should have been deleted prior to sumit comment-ing.
The Editor
IN SPACE NOBODY WILL LET YOU EDIT
And if we're talking vacuum, well, why limit it to screaming? You can't hear anyone talk, sing, or hum, either.
IN SPACE YOU HAVE NO BRAKES
or so it seemms.
P Brooks,
We beg to differ.
I'm trying to remember one person screaming in a hard vacuum in Alien. I think they all screamed while on board their ship.
IIRC, doesn't the Alien scream at the end while getting blasted by the engines?
(Attn Ridley Scott, on the audio commentary when you were going on about how cool the carefully lit, falling water was awesome as a rocket engine effect, I was thinking to myself, "gayest effect evar").
de stijl,
Don't remember. Could we hear it scream while in space? That's even worse if we can hear the alien scream in a movie about not hearing screams in space.
L. Ron Hubbard's not really an SF writer anyway; judging by his Mission: Earth books, he's really a satirist more in the mould of Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams, just one with a weirdo agenda, high self-regard and no ability to edit.
I, for one, welcome our new microscopic overlords!
I have this sneaking suspicion that talking to animals would kind of suck.
"Eat. Food. Smell food. Mmm butt smell."
You'd also hear this a lot:
"Strangers! Must protect borders!"
Coming soon from Marvel Comics:
What If... The Fantastic Four were bacteria.