It's True, I Saw It on Lou Dobbs!

Here are two more videos from the anti-war rallies. The first is a friendly meeting of minds with some people worried about the North American Union. I whiffed it by not asking a follow-up question like "Why would that be bad?" But I felt like I had to leave the scrum.

And here's one with a man hoisting a Hillary-as-Hitler puppet.

Comments

[Randolph Carter]

Wait, were these anti-war protesters, or anti-anti-war protesters? The 9/11 truth, New World Order folks confuse me.

[Chancellor]

What was that thing wearing the 9-11 shirt and holding up that invisible sign? Man, woman, Pillsbury Doughboy?

[Warren]

I wish there was an anti-war movement I could in good conscience be part of. I was listening to a guy from Answer last night. It was clear they don't have any coherent strategy for becoming effective. The loony left that fills the anti-war ranks also keeps me away.

[joe]

What strikes me is that the anti-war rally is full of people saying things that no one remotely near the mainstream of public opinion says, while the pro-war rally consists of the constant repetition of the cliches that have dominated Republican floor speeches, Fox News, and respected conservative magazines for the past half-decade.

9/11 Was an Inside Job

vs.

Traitors, commies, terrorist-lovers, capitulationism, defeatists, good vs. evil, yadda yadda yadda.

[Robert]

I felt like I had to leave the scrum.

Did you leave it in front of the ball, or behind it?

[Dave T]

Joe, and yet they both have one thing in common: they're all idiots.

[Dave Woycechowsky]

The loony left that fills the anti-war ranks also keeps me away.

This problem is even worse for people who believe that the government is is hiding important and substantial 9/11 related things (eg, who did the anthrax, was Guiliani careless with the firefighters).

Otherwise intelligent people like joe and Weigs conflate all that with "9/11 was an inside job." Very frustrating.

[BakedPenguin]

I felt like I had to leave the scrum.

You could be part of the US team at the World Cup. When Tonga kicks your ass, it's time to go.

Chancellor: that was the illegitimate love child of these two

[JBinMO]

Please don't bring up the anthrax, if the white house remembers it they will make the claim it was Iran (since now they are gearing up to hit them).

[Rhywun]

Huh. I forgot all about the anthrax. Mission accomplished!

[thedifferentphil]

This is not really surprising. Remember, even primary voters are out of the mainstream of America, and those willing to go to protests are much more to the left/right than primary voters.

[JLM]

The problem with the anti-war movement being full of nuts resembles my experience with a lot of the organized Ron Paul people. I went to a couple of local RP meetups and quickly lost interest, because a large part of the group consisted of the conspiracy wackaloons that dominated the meetings. It's frustrating because I know that there are plenty of intelligent and sane libertarian-minded people around that are anti Iraq war and support Ron Paul (many comment on this blog). I guess the fringe people are just the ones that tend to make the most noise.

[WalterBoswell]

Mexicows were behind 9.1.1

[skoal]

Gutless cowards who run away to Canada to whine and suck there thumb like a godamn crybaby talking about "otherwise intelligent people"

HA Ha HA HA HA HA

[Ted]

That rules. I think I am gonna join one of those rallies just for the laughs.

[Brandybuck]

The problem with the anti-war movement being full of nuts resembles my experience with a lot of the organized Ron Paul people. I went to a couple of local RP meetups and quickly lost interest, because a large part of the group consisted of the conspiracy wackaloons that dominated the meetings.

I understand your pain. I used to run a meetup, but I had to step down in disgust. I'm still working with the campaign, but I'm no longer taking any active role in the meetups. I'll also be avoiding any large gatherings of supporters.

[Aresen]

Until the last few seconds, when they showed his face, I thought the guy hoisting the Hillary puppet was Bill.

[Steve in Clearwater]

Great film, David.

Always love seeing someone that provokes the instant, "Man? or Woman?"

Wait a second....color her hair a stately silver and it's almost Dobbs himself LIVE!

[Gary]

This particular Demo sounds like it was led by RIGHT wing Paleo-conservative types (not ANSWER), who follow people like John Birch sympathizer Alex Jones. Alex Jones bills himself as a Christian. He describes the NAU as a Satanic Armageddon plot, not simply more Corporate Globalization replacing civil governance. John Birchers also equated the United Nations and the CFR with Satan and Communism, despite their obvious roles serving globalized corporate capitalism.

By "Globalized" I mean "renegade", business unleashed from answering to any govt or the will of any population. To some this sounds good, but this can also be bad -- like private armies and arms dealers dominating democratic interests, no controls whatsoever of the political power bound up in vast wealth. The rule of a monied aristocracy money over human beings. Didn't we once fight a Revolutionary war over this (different) situation?

There's a quote by Abe Lincoln about Capital vs. Labor which is apropos. It almost sounds like Marx. Civil War aside, it simply says human beings should come before profits.

This is what it looks like when confused grassroots Leftist types get sucked into the ORIGINAL conspiracy kooks, the Birchers, who once called Eisenhower a communist. The New World Order becomes bigger than simply more of the same corporate fascism or feudalism rolling out, it takes on a tone of hysterical religious terror. Satan Claus is coming to town.

NWO was a term used to describe the Third Reich, and -- fairly enough -- Corporate Globalization includes a form of governance over humans that represents a Fourth Reich of sorts, with attendant degradation of human freedom. Yet it's nearly invisible now against a backdrop of corporate McNews served up with a Starbucks Latte.

Regarding the NAU, I saw a financial stock market investment discussion on YouTube, like so many on American TV, but this one on CBC.

The expert was from some prominent investment firm. He matter-of-factly explained, while chuckling a bit, that he NAU and the SPP is quite far advanced, and that while Canadians are up-in-arms, Americans are kept in the dark, except TEXAS where they are starting construction on the highway going from southern Mexico through Denver and up to Canada. He said there would be SOME winners and a lot of losers.

The NAU will not completely replace the United States or Canada or Mexico. Not at first, probably never. What it WILL do is usurp current national and state and local regulation of trade and commerce with bodies of unelected supranational appointees, immune from human influence. This will of course affect things like shopping, regulatory standards, consumer rights, labor rights, a giant NAFTA. If you get my drift, this is Clinton territory for the sales pitch, so I suspect the privately-owned trade secret voting system will come up with 3 cherries for Hill, and most people won't even know Bush launched it.

The OTHER fear, not unfounded, is that for THIS type of radical free market capitalism -- combined with govt protectionism for corporations under some treaties and such (using Bush's war powers?) -- the Ruling Class KNOWS and has openly discussed the fact that CRISIS, SHOCK, and semi-totalitarian military rule is NECESSARY to enforce such changes quickly, and to deal with the concurrent dissent and expected resistance and protest, as the Middle Class gets wiped out like was done in Chile when Pinochet first seized power. Chile under the Chicago School is the model. Bolivia is the model, where Bechtel once privatized water, priced it out of the range of affordability for ordinary people, and made it illegal to collect rain from the sky. Rain was Bechtel property, protected by the State. etc

The likelihood of some further merging of police and military from the three nations for domestic policing is strong, seeing as it's on the books, rolling out under Homeland Security and Northcom, and described in various Pentagon and DHS documents presented by people from Liberty Gun Rights website all the way to leftist minister Frank Morales.

Americans are slowly facing the fact that we have to BEG our representative government for ANYTHING which is GOOD, usually without success, and we have to FIGHT our representative govt to stop anything which is bad, also usually with little success.

Yet the main solution offered at the fringes is a switch to a hyper-free market Libertarian political system with the removal of corporate regulation.

Corporations DESERVE regulation, by the very definition of what they are -- govt-protected legal fictions with limited liabilities. Big Corporations = Big Government. Humans are lesser beings in this new economic reality.

Now I wish someone would sit those obnoxious people down and explain to them WHAT they are protesting.