Who Shall Inherit the Earth? The Geek Shall!
This Alex Williams write-up of the white-boy-dominated, science-loving, computer-hacking Nerdcore hip-hop movement is the best statement on the genre that I've seen. There's a freakshow aspect to clubs of lily-colored kids bouncing to REO Speedwagon samples, and Williams captures that. But he also gets why the genre fits so smoothly into the firmament of hip-hop.
"By definition, nerdcore has to be marginal," said [Damian] Hess [a.k.a. MC Frontalot], who now lives in Brooklyn. But the margins these days can be wider than ever. "Because of the Internet," he said, "any cultural niche can find all 2 million people who are fascinated by it."
Which is not to say that nerdcore has crossed over to hip-hop's core black audience. Mr. Hess said he knew of only one African-American nerdcore artist, a self-described "half-black" Web designer named Ken Leavitt-Lawrence, who performs satirical gangsta rap in the voice of the physicist Stephen Hawking, under the name MC Hawking. (In "All My Shootin's Be Drive-Bys," he directs a bullet at a foe with the rap, "Time to give a Newtonian demonstration/of a bullet, its mass/and its acceleration.")
The point, said Mr. Leavitt-Lawrence, 37, who lives in Gloucester, Mass., is not to trivialize the greater rap traditions, but to deflate the tiresome pistol-waving machismo of the likes of 50 Cent. "This attitude that you've got to be tough all the time," he said, "I just found that annoying."
Here's a video clip of Nerdcore breakout artist MC Chris and "Robot Dog," a tragic ballad of a pet that becomes more popular than its owner and includes the lines "He gets more attention than he would an elephant/He's in the club I'm in my car out of my element/In a Honda Element/Feeling irrelevent."
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TURN THAT CRAP DOWN!
Gull dang Kids
N' Get off my lawn!
*shakes fist
MC Frontalot, they mean?
Yeah, little thing. Still annoying, especially since he's the guy who named the style in the first place.
MC Frontalot, they mean?
That was my mistake - I was identifying MC in brackets because the original article, by that point, is just calling him Mr. Hess. Dunno why I mixed up DJ and MC. Maybe I have hip-hop dyslexia?
Fixed now.
Weigel, you do know that mc chris is MC P. Pants from ATHF, right?
"I Want Candy" is a great song.
He's also Sir Loin and Little Brittle. And, most loveably, Hesh from Sealab 2021.
Is that why the jackass on Sealab that MC Chris voices was named "Hesh"?
oh god these fucking guys.
seriously this is pure minstrelry and for some reason people eat it up.
gilmore back me up here.
I mean, is it a diss on Hess?
Also, this leaves out the most important of all nerd rappers, G-spot, AKA Ghandi from Clone High.
My backpack got jets
I'm Boba da Fett
I bounty hunt for jabba hut
to finance my 'vette
You can't cage MC Chris man. MC Chris is a bird, man.
mc chris : 50 cent :: nerf herder : johnathan richman
calm down, dhex. 🙂
dhex, why do you hate Weird Al?
"Because of the Internet," he said, "any cultural niche can find all 2 million people who are fascinated by it."
That's how Libertarianism got so popular.
I guess the OffSpring weren't being funny when they wrote that song "Pretty Fly for a White Guy". It was apparently pretty serious social commentary on these people.
And of course, there is nothing at all "minstreley" about it when black people rap.
And of course, there is nothing at all "minstreley" about it when black people rap.
Yeah, I posted about that last year.
MC Hawking rules.
Upon blind faith they place reliance,
What we need more of is science.
Weird Al = Musical Genius
MC Hawking - All my shootings be drive bys
genius
...and yo, I think I'm starting to peak now, Al.
And the man upstairs, I hope that he cares...
What, did you think "White and Nerdy" came out of nowhere?
No balls to be bustin'/ No fightin', no cussin'
Just love for a drug called Ro-bo-tussin
HESH WANTS SEX!!!
my absolute favorite MC Chris thing right now is the Jesus skit on his newest album. Download or buy it immediately.
Herbert Kornfeld would approve, may he rest in peace. Mourn ya till I join ya, H-Dog!
[quote]dhex, why do you hate Weird Al?[/quote]
i don't the guy is actually talented. i can't rock him 24 7 but a song or two here or there is just fine.
[quote]And of course, there is nothing at all "minstreley" about it when black people rap.[/quote]
hey i wouldn't want to live next to the three six mafia but at least those guys are talented. it's not painful to listen to and stupid.
and i mean mc chris is a nice guy and is doing some work at my friend's studio but it's just so fucking bad that it's like late career of eddie murphy bad.
i mean sorry to shine the light of truth on the comic-con jerkoff party and all.
it's hard being the god of taste for you fucking plebes but someone has to do it.
I want candy, bubblegum and taffy
Skip to the sweet shop with my sweet hot Sandy
Got my pennies saved, so I'm her sugar daddy
I'm her Hume Cronyn and she's my Jessica Tandy
I want candy
Put it in a pop
Split it wit my biddy, 50-50 down the line
Kinda like close encounters of the cavity kind
Talkin' licorice kisses, talkin' chocolate-dowsed smiles
I want candy: I got a sugar tooth
Put on your shin guards, Sandy, 'cuz I wanna knock boots
Lick the peppermint stick 'til the lollipop droops
Gumdrops that don't stop 'til the lip locks loose
Backup:
Candy...
Candy...
I need candy, bubblegum and taffy
Get in my way punk, you're gonna get your ass beat, nasty
Do it 'til your dad sees, embarrass your whole family
Just because you came between a kid and his candy
I need candy, any kind'll do
Don't care if it's nutritious or FDA approved
It's gonna make me spaz like bobcats on booze
A hyperactive juice that only I can produce, that fuels a giant drill
That bores straight into hell
Releasin' ancient demons from their sleep forever spell
So they can walk upon the earth and get resituated
And hawk the diet pills MC Pee Pants has created
I need candy, want some candy, eat candy 'til I'm dead
I'll kill you for some candy, give me candy, candy-head
Where you keepin' all the candy? Who made you candy king?
If you don't give me some candy, I will make the ladies sing
Backup:
Candy in the mornin', candy on the way to school
Candy at school, at lunch, and the afternoon
Candy at school, on the way home from school
Candy at dinner, at dinner, and then?
Mess up the mix
Mix up the mess
Come on down, yo
Here's the address:
Said 612 Wharf Avenue
Right next to the gentlemen's club
That's just for you and your superior taste, dhex.
6-1-2 Wharf Avenue! What? 6-1-2 Wharf Avenue!
Clean me off another one of them bunnies, I'm gonna eat it.
oh god those fucking blowjobs.
hey can we turn this into an everyone versus dhex weekend fun thread? where's dondero and chalupa? we need some of that "oh if black people didn't listen to rap they wouldn't be on welfare" type posting up in here.
(up in here)
dhex versus everyone isn't a fair match dude, you're going to whip their asses.
you the kid who keeps sendin me sand?
I must be getting old cuz the appeal of all this completely escapes me. Please stay marginal!
PS. Rapping about physics or candy (or anything, really) while affecting uneducated southern speech seems like minstrelsy to me.
dhex versus everyone isn't a fair match dude, you're going to whip their asses.
this is true i am basically god.
ok i have to get some coffee and a tb test and then we'll see what's up.
dhex, you started with the "I'm a rap elitist" crap. Don't be so thin-skinned.
Besides, it's all clicks and whistles to me.
It's kind of reverse minstrelry. But I guess at the bottom of it all there's the "white kids acting like black kids but saying things that are funny rather than scary to me" factor. But whatever, funny funny I likes. Also, any genre that spawns the lines
"Call me Ahab what
Monomaniac
Obsessed with success
I'm like Steve Wozniak"
is golden in my book.
dhex, you started with the "I'm a rap elitist" crap. Don't be so thin-skinned.
i'm not being thin skinned and this isn't about rap elitism. i totally welcome being the voice of reason in the mineshaft of suckass.
it is about straight up minstrelry and why a world in which nerds breed doesn't only get us more ipod like gadgets and autism, but also shit like this.
someone has to stand up for good taste, man.
who will stand up for justice?
for SPARTA?
(donderroooooooooooooooooo)
Besides, it's all clicks and whistles to me.
hey i also love autechre but this is not the thread for that. that's next friday.
It's kind of reverse minstrelry.
where's the reverse come in?
Besides, it's all clicks and whistles to me.
hey i also love autechre but this is not the thread for that. that's next friday.
Troum > Autechre
Because it's nerds acting out the worst nerd stereotypes, debasing the culture and values of their own people. Or something.
dhex,
The fact that you would even bother commenting on this post makes you no better than the rest of us. You are the type of nerd that thinks he's cool enough to dump on the other nerds for being either too nerdy or not nerdy enough.
In essence, you are Comic Book Guy.
I am with DHEX. These loosers are pathetic. I suppose you could call it minsterly and insulting to black people if these kids weren't so awful. I think maybe there is a certain minimum level of artistic talent you have to have to rise even to the level of racist. If you are more pathetic than the stereotype you are supposed to be making fun of, then you really are not being very insulting are you?
I have predicted for years that in the near future, as computers saturate even more of our lives, personal firewalls are installed in our clothing, and we spend our days walking through a series of invasive wireless domains, young mainstream women will judge potential mates not on looks, virility, or ability to provide, but by how good of a hacker/computer tech a male is.
Thus, nerdcore terrifies me.
Future mother cliches: "I know he's cute, dear, but can he code?"
Lay off dhex. You know something is mainstream when it develops a generation gap. Older comic fans decry the tastes of younger fans. Slayer fans from back in the day dump on Mars Volta fans. And how many here have had to explain to someone younger what Win98 was like?
Guys, guys, come ON! It's really simple. If you like it, if it makes you smile, if you enjoy the lyrics, you're just wrong. And hopefully, in the near future, dhex and others will provide a longer list of artists you shouldn't be enjoying.
justice shall never go out of style jeff p.
The fact that you would even bother commenting on this post makes you no better than the rest of us.
no the fact i know truth and you guys are in the shallow end of the truth pool (labeled "lies") is the difference that makes a difference.
justice shall not be denied.
Troum > Autechre
i like some of what i've heard but there's just no comparison.
I wanna be cool like dhex and John! Please guide us you two, for we are lost!
And hopefully, in the near future, dhex and others will provide a longer list of artists you shouldn't be enjoying.
done and done:
peaches
lcd soundsystem
uffie
yeah yeah yeahs
the killers
the rapture
the decemberists
the streets
i'll add more as we go along.
I wanna be cool like dhex and John! Please guide us you two, for we are lost!
oh man it's not like you're bad people it's just your ears are wrong and belong in ear jail.
Troum > Autechre
i like some of what i've heard but there's just no comparison.
I know them personally so I'm a little biased.
Oh, fuck. My ears are too pretty to be in jail.
Schaffer the Dark Lord, everyone's favorite satanic nerdcore MC:
The Rappist
Rapping about physics or candy (or anything, really) while affecting
uneducated southern speech seems like minstrelsy to me
Seems like satire to me.
dhex,
I'll one-up you: anyone who hasn't learned to play a musical instrument shouldn't be listened to.
You know, if dhex wanted to be the rap snob, he wouldn't have mentioned the three six mafia. He probably would've brought up Blackalicious or Talib Kweli.
Mo,
Don't forget Blacula, Son of Blacula, and Blackenstein.
the new talib is good.
I'll one-up you: anyone who hasn't learned to play a musical instrument shouldn't be listened to.
do xylophones count?
I'll one-up you: anyone who hasn't learned to play a musical instrument shouldn't be listened to.
Does that mean I can't listen to Frank Sinatra anymore?
"I suppose you could call it minsterly and insulting to black people if these kids weren't so awful."
I didn't realize that art forms were owned by their originators. That crap pisses me off. Like when Denzel Washington said jazz was "our" music.
Anyway I'd say that most rap entertainers (their personas as least) are about as culturally sensitive as Uncle Remus in Disney's classic Song of the South.
just to put it out there, I'm on board with the rest of dhex's banned bands. Especially the godawful LCD Soundsystem.
I didn't realize that art forms were owned by their originators.
no one's saying that, and you'll notice no one is ripping on eminem. (who is not my thing but also immensely talented)
it's more like HEY LOOK IT'S MC AL JOLSON RAPPING ABOUT TRANSFORMERS
i'm really tempted to be on dhex's side here, as nerdcore is kinda derivative and definitely dumb. also going for dhex is the fact that his manner of speech is straight outta achewood.
but.
i don't want to be in the same camp as john.
These guys are just making the music they grew up with, and putting their own mark on it. That's how this stuff works. It is fascinating that people take offense.
dhex, if a white guy rapping about computers and comics strikes you as being somehow equivalent to Al Jolson, then you're messed up beyond my ability to help. I would suggest you listen to Rai (hip-hop/J-pop) but I'm afraid your brain would overload trying to process a vector for offense.
(And if, for whatever reason, you can't enjoy music without people playing old-fashioned instruments, check out Optimus Rhyme. Great stuff.)
John will go to a special camp, Mr. Crane, don't you worry about that.
I don't have much to say about nerdcore, except that when I heard MC Chris, he sure sounded exactly like MC Pee Pants, so I was pleased to see that it was the same guy. Also, I'm not sure the guy can really flow. Maybe.
But I hadn't caught that Ms. Peachez video until now, and it made a big impression on me. Which is that it was cool. Three things:
1) The music was well-produced and the rapper had a good flow.
2) The kids all looked like perfectly nice kids. Notice that they weren't mugging or bugging their eyes out or gesticulating wildly. The video was not exploiting them.
3) Fried chicken is great. I will drive for miles to get good fried chicken. It is totally worth making a funny video about. The video made me hungry. If the stereotype is true and black folks eat a lot of fried chicken, then black folks are sensible people who like tasty food and ought to celebrate that fact. And I would like to attend that celebration, which I hope will be catered.
Fried chicken is great. I will drive for miles to get good fried chicken. It is totally worth making a funny video about. The video made me hungry. If the stereotype is true and black folks eat a lot of fried chicken, then black folks are sensible people who like tasty food and ought to celebrate that fact.
That's why, as a kid in the South, Fuzzy Zoeller's "fried chicken and watermelon" joke about Tiger Woods' Masters banquet went right past me. That's black food?
I make collard greens. But, I don't stew them in lard. I saute them in olive oil with a little garlic.
I know, I'm a shameless minstrel. I'm sorry, black people.
Meh. I listen to prog. dhex and company have always been cooler than me. Will always be cooler than me. Fuckit, I don't care. I have recordings of Steve Howe playing many many notes.
no one's saying that, and you'll notice no one is ripping on eminem. (who is not my thing but also immensely talented)
Oh, I can take that niche. Seriously. Lame.
How exactly is this different from Tenacious D, anyway?
oh c'mon churchy don't be so mighty whitey. this isn't about hey don't be a honky it's about the specific don't be a fucking hoser in a way that's highly reminiscient of mammy mammy oh mammy except it's oh star wars star wars we all remember our childhoods right oh yeah star wars.
breakdown.
if they didn't exist, dave chapelle would have to invent them. or hasbro, for that matter.
but collards are nice! particularly sauteed. i had some the other day. delicious.
dhex, if a white guy rapping about computers and comics strikes you as being somehow equivalent to Al Jolson, then you're messed up beyond my ability to help. I would suggest you listen to Rai (hip-hop/J-pop) but I'm afraid your brain would overload trying to process a vector for offense.
hybridity is a really great thing! i mean, i like a lot of the late 90s german digi-dub stuff, and shit - everything is a part of everything and everything.
hell if it was well done it would be something else, too, but god fucking damn it ouch.
i mean jpop is pretty much just a sonic boom of suck but on the other hand hey i *really* love boredoms.
a lot.
Weed is by my side, it's always been there.
Always been there, always been there.
We're smokin' that Danger Girl.
We're smokin' that Gen 13.
Bong's called Yoda, man,
and Yoda can't STAND a bag filled with stems and seeds.
Yo, I can't stand no ecstacy.
Cocaine made a mess of me.
Beer and booze are now things that I use to do.
Don't misconstrue, I'm still abusin' weed.
Some kids like to get fucked up,
actin' black by rollin' them blunts.
I got a one hitter called Margot Kidder
and I only need to hit that shit once
'cause I ain't made of nickels and dimes.
Fat kind make me tickled inside.
Say no to cuttin' up lines,
that's one-point-twenty-one jiggawatt jive.
And I ain't no Nancy Reagan,
just sayin' kinda take it slow.
Say yeah to the jazz cigarette,
say nil to the thrills of pills and blow.
Teen years about gettin' beat down,
and your twenties 'bout smokin' them pounds.
Stick around for the sticky amounts,
flick a Bic 'til your stuck to the couch.
I'm the sativa cyborg,
I smell that shit like a wine cork.
I hope they never legalize,
then High Times won't have anything to fight for.
I used to smoke with kids at shows,
but I stopped 'cause they all had colds,
but I got Emergen-C and a bag of Coldeeze
and mad trees so let's all get stoned!
Weed is by my side, it's always been there.
Always been there, always been there.
Weed is by my side, it's always been there.
Always been there, always been there.
Weed is by my side, it's always been there.
Always been there, always been there.
Weed is by my side, it's always been there.
Always been there, always been there.
After a show, you're a friend of mind,
handshake with a prize inside.
These are Batman Begins hallucinagens.
These whammies are weaponized.
LSD and shrooms, I tried them,
was a time when I wouldn't deny them.
All you need is one trip where you lose your shit,
kiss goodbye to the sky with diamonds;
but I keep coming back like it's Atkins fat
'cause the weed's like crack cocaine,
but the risk you take is just getting baked,
you're surely gonna see the next day.
They say we fund Al Qaeda.
Sounds like the government's jealous.
Let's get the enemy stoned,
bring our ninjas home - to hell with Christian zealots,
'cause all we need is some weed and a laid back beat,
black lights if you stereotype,
couple bean bag chairs and a lack of airs,
a marathon of price is right.
What's the 4-1-1 for realzies?
I freeze my Reese's Pieces.
It's like everytime I pack a pipe,
my appetite suddenly increases.
You know what a cracka mean,
green leaves my cractorbeam,
addicted like it's gasoline, just pass the trees
also keep in mind when i make pronouncements that it's not so much an infallible angry god that's going to turn all your ladies into condiments and all the dudes into walking torches so much as like a mesoamerican kinda thing, where the universe is what it is and left is left and right is right and OH GOD NOW I UNDERSTAND WHERE OBJECTIVISTS COME FROM.
mr. crane please hand me the scalpels so i can put out my eyes.
worst musical act combination would be a white nerdcore objectivist rapping at anthrocon!
we would no longer deserve to exist as a species.
"...it's about the specific don't be a fucking hoser in a way that's highly reminiscient of mammy mammy oh mammy except it's oh star wars star wars..."
Oh, OK. It's like how wearing a shirt with a Nike logo is highly reminiscient of Jews wearing yellow stars, except it's a swoosh.
Damn, dude. It must suck to be stuck inside that head.
Christ, dhex, I wanted to assume that you were just winding people up but it seems you really are just a music snob. I would think that someone like you who seems pretty sharp would realize, uh, that music snobs are fucking dicks.
Very few things are more annoying than being told by someone what music you should like.
EPISIARCH HEREBY IS DAVE MATTHEWS'S BIGGEST FAN.
AND HE THINKS THAT PHISH IS GROOVY.
THE SPIN DOCTORS SHALL PLAY AT EPISIARCH'S AND CHURCH'S SHARED BRISS.
ooh. Rock me Amadeus!
OMG!OMG!OMG!
u2 is like so alternative. They, like, get it. And they're intellectual, too. Sort of a mid range Merchant Ivory level.
the Killers are this generation's version of them.
Do you believe how much Michael Stipe cares about things. OMG!
You like them too? I just can't stand those pop-culture flockers. You have to do it your own way, too. It's so much more better being so independent.
Why did I just add Dave Matthews, Phish, and the Spin Doctors to Limewire? I think I blacked out for a second there...
LOL...
ahem ahem...[gathers self. calms down]
tee hee hee..
[pours taint bleach in eyes]
phew. much better.
AND NOW WE SHALL ALL LISTEN TO KRAFTWERK AND DISCUSS HOW DEPECHE MODE'S 'TORA TORA TORA' SHARE SIMILAR ROOTS IN MR. STEVEN CRANE'ISMS.
Music died when Mark Mothersbaugh broke up Devo, man. All else is commentary.
white nerdcore objectivist rapping
OK, now there's a niche waiting to be filled. If I ever quit my day job...
it's okay dhex. you need not put out your eyes.
i suggest listening to DJ Danger Mouse's "Grey Album". that might put things in proper perspective.
Lazy Sunday!
Wow. I have actually never heard of any of these guys..And most of the rappers I listen to are made fun of as "backpacker" and "nerd rap." But even they sell in the 50,000-100,000 range.
May these guys get even more attention as the REAL "nerd rap" and maybe people will leave my guys alone.
The MC Hawking track What We Need More Of Is Science was kind of entertaining as a gimmick, but if I'm going to listen to nerdy rap, I think I'd rather stick to nerdy rap by artists with talent, e.g. Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, El-P, MF Doom/Vik Vaugh, Cannibal Ox, Buck 65, etc. MC Chris gets a pass for being involved in ATHF.
dhex - I haven't heard all of those bands, but I will back you up that The Streets is fucking terrible. Seriously, absolutely godawful.
I'm suprised the B-word hasn't come up yet in this thread. As in, Beastie Boys. The stuff described in this story seems like the logical (if extreme) descendant of those godfathers of white rap.
Was "Sounds of Science" the "Rock Around the Clock" of nerdcore?
oh i forgot lady sovereign too. there's a great clip of her being heckled by a local dj dressed as a jelly donut, which led to her flipping out. it was pretty great. don't think it's still on the 'tube though.
* - if you like sage francis et al you might dig jesse dangerously, who's also from that halifax scene.
and yeah the streets is so laughably bad that i really did think it was a joke the first time i heard it. as a general rule brits probably should not rap, but i guess that'll depend on how popular grime becomes.
I would think that someone like you who seems pretty sharp would realize, uh, that music snobs are fucking dicks.
yeah. so?
dude the anarchists are wrong because we need cops in some form somehow, right?
just call me officer cochlea.
but hey if the nerdcore guys were also hardcore communists most of you would be on my side automatically AND have the whole minstrelry thing to toss in there to boot. it would be a race to see who could denounce them for living the west faster. we would all have e-rugburns on our hands and knees.
Oh, OK. It's like how wearing a shirt with a Nike logo is highly reminiscient of Jews wearing yellow stars, except it's a swoosh.
no no son, imagine mc chris in the blackface jolson getup while rapping STAR WARS! OH STAR WARS! I LOVES MY STAR WARS! and then you get the idea.
or not.
i'm voting not.
god why does this bother you so much? it's not that they're white, it's that they're doing a routine that i only saw 20 years ago done by suburban dads doing the "more like CRAP music har har har" thing.
someone's dad + weed + cable tv + the insane insular post-masculine world of comics and sci fi conventions + total lack of awareness = nerdcore
I'll definitely check Jesse Dangerously. I'm a huge Sage Francis fan.
Ok, I checked out several songs by Dangerously, they were pretty dope. I will definitely be getting an album or two. Thanks for the tip.
I think Dhex is using a bazooka where a shotgun would do, but speaking as a cat who's been more or less embedded with the nerdcore "scene" such as it is as long as there's been one, I don't think he's at all off the mark laying certain charges of minstrelsy against the blithe, privileged majority of participants.
Here's a couple things you should know about him though - his name appears on my 2002 album (on a song that's remixed on the new album I just released) which is mega nerdy... and also since MC Frontalot and I are playing the Union Hall in Brooklyn this week (the 29th), he's obliged as my long-time homie to attend the true school nerdcore event of the century to date.
If you come down, d, I'll get you on the mic to kick an anti-nerdcore rant.
PS Pretty Fly For A White Guy was a hate crime, and it's exactly the same thing that the worst nerdcore can be accused of - using parody to exoticize and other non-whites.
PPS weird al's last good material came out in like 1991.