Imus Firing: Bad for the Democrats
Past the end of business hours in the news week ruled by his downfall, is it officially too late to say anything more about Mr. Don Imus? If not, the LA Times today had an interesting political angle:
Over the years, Democrats….came to count on Imus for the kind of sympathetic treatment that Republicans got from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.
Equally important, Imus gave Democrats a pipeline to a crucial voting bloc that was perennially hard for them to reach: politically independent white men.
With Imus' show canceled indefinitely because of his remarks about the Rutgers University women's basketball team, some Democratic strategists are worried about how to fill the void. For a national radio audience of white men, Democrats see few if any alternatives.
"This is a real bind for Democrats," said Dan Gerstein, an advisor to one of Imus' favorite regulars, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.). "Talk radio has become primarily the province of the right, and the blogosphere is largely the province of the left. If Imus loses his microphone, there aren't many other venues like it around."
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What about Garrison Keillor? Wait, never mind.
Hmmm . . . I guess the Democrats are screwed.
Yawn
Another tempest in a teapot. I wouldn't have known Imus from Adam a week ago, now I'm intimately familiar with every detail of his life.
What do you want to bet within 6 months, he's back on the air with a fatter contract and a bigger audience than ever?
Best publicity stunt since Sinead O'Connor tore up a picture of the Pope, or the Dixie Chicks slagged Bush in London. Not to mention it also gave David Weigel yet another opportunity to wave his hankie and scream "Racist!" at a celebrity, and this time he's managed to milk it for nearly a week so far....
There's no such thing as bad publicity.
--Keith Richards
When will the liberal Left stop shooting themselves in the foot? Let's fact it, it's their ideology of sensitivity and inclusiveness that's part of their problem and this is just a natural consequence. Then again, this isn't a time for the Right to be making judgment calls or start another banal dialog of nothingness in the name of a good photo op either. But it's even money that is what exactly is going to happen.
...Imus is definitely a left-liberal, as were 95% of his program guests. The loss of his media platform is indeed a significant loss to the Democrats (...and liberal Republicans).
However, it is amusing to see how quickly Imus was taken down by the NorthEast media/political elite that he courted & trusted for so many years. His "offense" was trivial, but vigorous public condemnation of it somehow became a litmus-test of pompous Manhattan liberal-credentials.
Imus wrongly assumed that his insider apology 'deal' on Al Sharpton's obscure program would dampen all the phony public outrage against him -- but Sharpton outsmarted & toppled him.
The I-Man wised up way too late, but he's no doubt keeping close score now on who turned on him -- tell-all bestseller book to follow soon.
Rod
If they shot any higher they'd miss (cause there's nothing to hit i.e no balls) and if they were to shot themselves in the head, the bullet would go right through (again nothing to stop it) so we're left with them shooting themselves in the foot (or would that be in da feet?)
The only quote on this story comes from an aide to that great Democrat, Joe Lieberman. I never listened to Imus, but his line on the Rutgers basketball team basically translates as "all black women are stupid, ugly whores." If Imus doesn't know that, as an old, ugly white guy, he shouldn't be saying things like that about young black women, he doesn't deserve to have a show.
No one has mentioned the real reason Imus is gone: Apple.
No way can they allow anything that starts with "i" to be a force in the media, unless they own or control it.
Just wait. When he reaches sat radio it will be as a broken man named iMus, and his 2 cents worth will be $0.99 a pop.
I didn't realize that we were celebrating April Fool's Day twelve days late. This article cannot be for real. What nonsense. Perhaps in Joe-iality, Imus was politically relevant.
O tempora! O mores!
Where, oh where, shall poor Joe Lieberman go to complain about profanity in pop culture, if not Imus' show?
I didn't know that "nappy-headed" was a specifically derogatory epithet until this whole issue came up, so I guess I'm kinda thankful.
That it has a long history of being specifically derogatory makes me think he (Imus) really screwed up, but for pricks like Sharpton to be spewing off at the mouth about it, like he (Sharpton) has some sort of moral superiority, is ridiculous.
Then I heard Obama say things like "I'm all for free speech, but..." and invoking the all-mighty "our children" - which makes him look like a fool, imo.
All this PC stuff is totally out of whack. The things that people get offended by...how about toughen up a bit and realise that the world does not revolve around you (whoever "you" might be).
(And yes, I do realise that Imus was targeting a specific group of people, ie Rutgers ladies Bball team, so I am not addressing Imus' stupidity, directly, just more despairing the trend towards whininess.)
If Imus' ouster reduces Joe Lieberman's face time then certainly the terrorists have won...
Here I am in my own alternate little universe, where Imus had about as much political relevance as comparable media luminaries such as Soupy Sales and Chuck Barris. How out of touch could I be?
It is a loss for me. What am I supposed to watch at 5am now? Roseanne?
That's funny. At 5 am, I always choose Roseanne over Imus--the most boring man in the world.
Stern was right (how often does that happen?) It's a comment on the basketball game, where apparently the girls adopted a tough-girl strategy. The game films, I take it, as not part of the media firestorm.
The correct procedure is look at the game films, and see if what Imus said about it was true.
It doesn't have anything to do with all blacks, or all women, or even these women, but the game and the strategy.
Stren says the defense is ``It was a joke.'' That's too weak ; the claim ought to be that it's an amusing way of characterizing when went down in the game.
Republicans defend freedom of speech while Democrats become the new McCarthyists.
O sweet rich irony!
the blogosphere is largely the province of the left
Since the blogosphere (unlike the radio and tv landscapes) is infinitely large, and since readers of every stripe can go to the sites that suit them, how can the blogosphere be the "province" of left, right, middle, libertarians, or whatever?
What about Garrison Keillor? Wait, never mind.
==================================== I'm no democrat, but if you take away my Garrison Keillor, I will be an angry politically independent white man!
That guy is amazing.
"At 5 am, I always choose Roseanne over Imus--the most boring man in the world."
yeah, seriously! especially the last episode where everything goes bananas and flips out on the fourth wall.
"If Imus doesn't know that, as an old, ugly white guy, he shouldn't be saying things like that about young black women, he doesn't deserve to have a show."
that's pretty much it in a nutshell. good summation!
I think it hurts Democrats, but in other ways, perhaps more significant than the post mentions. Whenever someone falls victim to the race-demogagouery of Sharpton et al. it reminds the populace of which party is beholden to such demogagues and which party is associated with the bizarre combination of p.c. hyper-sensitiveness and zero tolerance in such areas: namely the Democrats. The current civil rights establishment is to the Democrats what the Religious Right is to the GOP: at times blind, obedient vote deliverers but more often narrow and pushy 'shooters in the foot' (witness Dick Armey's recent comments about the RR).
Exactly.
Pig,
As someone who listens to talk radio frequently , I can't buy that this was a consious publicity stunt. The reality is on the list of offensive things Imus has said on the air, this wouldn't even crack the Top 50. Every week, popular radio personalities say things 10X worse than the rather tame comment Imus got called out on. It couldn't have been a publicity stunt because no rational person with an appreciation of the business (as Imus is and does) ever could have predicted that the comment would have illicited even passing notice by the media, let alone the firestorm it caused. I also doubt Imus will get more money out of this deal. I have to believe that the reason he was fired was that CBS believed his contract didn't justify the revenues it was pulling in (the same reason Stern was forced out). A year ago if this happened, he might be able to move to satillite and get a sweetheart del like Stern did, but given the stock hit they've taken since then, I'm not sure that gravy train is still open. I'm sure Imus will get a deal with somebody else, but my guess is that it will be for roughly the same or less amount of money.
Boortz, who was one of the more tolerable talk radio guys at least until he got a mancrush on Bush in 02, thinks this was a test case and the PC librul zombies will now be coming for rightwinger's advertisers.
Not sure how effective that will be if your advertizers are "natural male enhancement" pills and gold coins for the coming financial apocalypse.
Herr Doktor Duck - hilarious!
I think Ken has it about right. Most people I know don't care what he said and think the thing is a total overreaction. All the Democrats are doing is providing a feeding frenzy for people who are going to vote for them anyway. The other thing is that this will lead them to inevietably overplay their hand and start calling for a return of the fairness doctrine and all manner of censorship of anyone they don't like (all of these who are now so concerned about the portrayal of women in the media have no problem at all with left wing bloggers referring to Michael Malkin as a Vietnamese prostitute), which of course will make them look more extreme and more intolerant and remind everyone why they don't trust Democrats in power.
I gotta tell you guys the truth. This type of power play by Mr. Sharpton has really inflamed the Archie Bunker in me. Hannity was playing clips yesterday of Sharpton saying a lot of really hateful things about whites, Jews, gays, and others and the colored folk just hoolerin Amen and hatin right along with him.
If Sharpton thinks this is helping race relations in America, he is a fuckin moron.
Further proof that God is dead. If He were alive he would strike that nappy headed coon dead as a post for calling hisself "reverend"
I wish I was black. That way I would have a socially acceptable reason for being the worthless lazy hateful racist piece o shit that I am.
FUCK!
Er, as long as Bush remains intent on pulling victory out of the jaws of reality in Iraq, the Dems don't need anyone to shill for them on the radio.
Er, as long as Bush remains intent on pulling victory out of the jaws of reality in Iraq, the Dems don't need anyone to shill for them on the radio.
As long as the Democrats continue to back Bush 100% on Iraq, and Hillary "It takes a village to bomb Iraq" Clinton is the shoe in for the Democrat nomination, Iraq will not be a significant issue.
The small government guy who wants lower taxes but doesn't support the war in Iraq, or the right-wing religious guy who wants to ban abortion but who doesn't want his kid to be sent to Iraq, have no reason to swing their votes over to the Democrats. A vote for the Democrats is a vote FOR the war in Iraq, and everyone but the Democrat Zombies know it... and the Democrat Zombies are voting Democrat no-matter way, they aren't an election deciding swing group.
What bugs me is that Imus was ever considered a serious commentor to begin with. He rode Stern's coattails.
I listened to Imus a bit in the 1970s and thought he was entertaining. When I came back to NY in the 1980s I listened to him again and was dismayed to find out he had no new material, and no new approach, just the same old thing. He'd stopped innovating, taking chances, working at it. That was the big difference between Stern & Imus -- Stern kept working at his craft, growing & evolving with his audience. Bob & Ray, as much as they recycled, were more innovative than Imus.
But when Stern started to get recognition as a serious commentor, the media started looking around in their clueless way to see who else they could put up like that, and seized on Imus. Which was ridiculous.
I'd no idea Imus was considered some avatar for the "left", the "moderate left", or whatever, on radio. I'm surprised to read that he had any discernible content or slant at all.
"Dan Gerstein bad for Democrats" yields 30,000+ hits on google.
Other things that Dan Gerstein assures us are bad for Democrats include attacking George Bush, opposing the Iraq War, and allowing Nancy Pelosi to speak in public.
You know what? I don't think that Dan Gerstein's advice for the party he left needs to be taken very seriously.
As this comment thread demonstrates, the only people proclaiming this to be bad for the Democrats are those who spend all of their time predicting the Democrats' doom.
Robert,
With most of talk radio so outlandishly right-wing, a relatively apolitical figure becomes a liberal via the "if you aren't with us you're against us" formulation.
In Joe world nothing is ever bad for the Democrats. I don't know what the fall out of Imus will be for the Dems. One thing I do know, there is nothing in the world that would ever cause Joe to admit anything is going wrong for the Dems or in anyway to admit that any Democrat anywhere not named Joe Lieberman has ever taken a wrong position on anything or made any mistake no matter how trivial. In Joeworld the Democratic party is made up of a race of Christlike figures. Getting Joe to admit that a Democrat has done anything wrong is like getting a North Korean to admit that dear leader might not have really gotten 18 holes in one the first time he played golf. Of course the North Korean has an excuse, he has been brainwashed from birth. I am not sure what Joe's excuse is.
"With most of talk radio so outlandishly right-wing, a relatively apolitical figure becomes a liberal via the "if you aren't with us you're against us" formulation."
Is there something wrong with that Joe? You talk like you would like to do something about that like I don't know government censorship or something. Fredom of speech just sucks doesn't it?
Joe,
Don't bother with it. You made valid points. Obvious to most I am sure.
peace out
@FatDrunkAndStupid
As someone who listens to talk radio frequently , I can't buy that this was a consious publicity stunt. The reality is on the list of offensive things Imus has said on the air, this wouldn't even crack the Top 50. Every week, popular radio personalities say things 10X worse than the rather tame comment Imus got called out on.
I'm aware of that. I hear more obnoxious and more blatantly racist things every time I turn on the radio. But for whatever reason this comment appears to have caught a wave.
But whether or not it was intentional, the point remains that even people like me, who wouldn't have known who he was if he'd crawled our noses and died, have had him in our faces 24/7 every time we turn on the TV, radio, read the news on the net, etc., for the last week.
You can't buy that kind of publicity!
Anybody who can't cash in on that kind of publicity just ain't trying!
Lyndon, you idiot.
L-Y-N-D-O-N. Lyndon.
Thanks for sharing your feelings about me. Wouuld you like an autographed picture?
Or to, you know, comment about the story?
Holy Christ People!
Stop worrying about Democrats getting their "message" out to self-hating White Men
GET SOME PRIORITIES!!!!!!!
CELL PHONES ARE WIPING OUT OUR BEES
It is the headline on Drudge
"would", you idiot.
W-O-U-L-D. Would.
The Only Imporant Question:
So is this Good for the Jews or Bad for the Jews?
Interesting reading the comments here. Libertarians on the whole seemed to be baffled and confused by the whole Imus deal, on many levels.
But what's particularly interesting is that we libertarians now find ourselves fully aligned with the Right and the Republican Party.
This ain't yo Daddy's GOP any mo.
Remember the Republicans in the God Awful 1980s protesting 7/11s for carrying Playboy?
When's the last time you heard any mainstream Republican on a "ban free speech" tirad?
Doesn't happen any more. It's the Democrats who are now clearly the Party against Free Speech.
And this leaves libertarians, at least some of us, confused: Evident by the comments here.
Buck up fellow libertarians. The GOP is NOW FIRMLY OUR POLITICAL HOME!!
Eric Dondero, Founder
Republican Liberty Caucus
Fmr. Senior Aide, US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
I'm a little confused by the proclamations that Imus is a confirmed liberal Dem. I've hardly ever heard the guy talk, but a while back I watched a clip on the "Mitt TV" website from Imus' show when Mitt Romney was a guest (for obvious reasons, this video clip seems to have disappeared from the site). I swear that I remember Imus saying something to Romney along the lines of "I know what it's like being the only Republican in the neighborhood". WTF?
"for obvious reasons, this video clip seems to have disappeared from the site"
Yeah they are trying to hide that Mitt Romney is a central figure in the Bee Extermination Conspiracy. Imus was about to spill the beans.
"When's the last time you heard any mainstream Republican on a "ban free speech" tirad?"
Janet Jackson's nipple?
The ongoing series of obsencity prosecutions coming out of the Justice Department?
You know, actual censorship, people facing fines and jail time - not individuals and sponsors deciding they don't like someone's shtick and choosing to put their dollars and ears elsewhere.
You remember obscenity prosecutions, don't you Eric?
The administration spent the first 3/4 of 2001 pulling FBI agents off of counter-terror details to prosecute obscencity cases. You know, what's the defense of our citizens from a global terrorist campaign, when people can sill rent porn?
...then the bitch said something I couldn't believe, so I grabbed the stupid bitch by her nappy-assed weave. The boys in the hood are always hard, come talkin that trash and we'll pull your card. Ain't nothing in life but to be legit. Don't quote me boy, I ain't said shit..."
The awesome Easy E (who died from aids after bragging in his lyrics about all the pussy he gets)
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3356961/Eazy-E_-_Eazy_Duz_It
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Hey, Eric Dodero, speaking of censorship:
Are you still calling for the editors, reporters, and directors of the New York Times to be prosecuted for treason?
But what's particularly interesting is that we libertarians now find ourselves fully aligned with the Right and the Republican Party.
What's this WE shit, paleface?
Remember the Republicans in the God Awful 1980s protesting 7/11s for carrying Playboy?
And due to that campaign anything more explicit than people magazine is safely behind the counter.
If rank and file Republicans aren't involved in any activist censorship campaigns it's because nobody's rallied the troops lately.
"Buck up fellow libertarians. The GOP is NOW FIRMLY OUR POLITICAL HOME!!"
...well somebody has been asleep for the last 7 years.
I went to Dondero's "mainstream libertarians" website and the first thing I saw was a pic of Michelle Malkin.....not naked, either (that would have made the visit worth it). I guess "mainstream libertarian" includes those wild and crazy freedom-lovers who think that racial profiling is a swell idea.
Joe, I'd add to the List of those who should be tried for treason Leftwing Libertarians who bash American and bash our Troops on a daily basis. They are assisting our enemies the Islamo-Fascists to destroy America.
Yes, the NY Times Editors and Reporters are traitors. But Justin Raimondo and Lew Rockwell are just as bad.
Question for ya Joe? Why is it that Leftwing Libertarians like you always seem so concerned about the Big Bad Bush Administration, and "censorship" from Bush. But you seem absolutely blind to the threat of censorship that comes from Islamo-Fascism?
When was the last time you were in Europe?
Have you seen the change that's gone on there in the last few years?
It's utterly frightening. Europeans aren't even able to speak out any more against Islam. They are cowering to the Islamo-Fascists. Former civil liberties are being outlawed on a daily basis in Euro countries to appease the Islamo-Fascists. And yet the Islamo-Fascists want even more.
When are so-called Libertarians like you ever going to wake up to the enormous threat we face?
When the Islamo-Fascists take over, it will be Libertarians, among Gays, Jews and other targetted groups, who will be the first to be carted off to the Gas Chambers.
Can't you see that? Are you that blind or ignorant??
Yes, the NY Times Editors and Reporters are traitors. But Justin Raimondo and Lew Rockwell are just as bad.
He is joking right? This is supposed to be satire right? This guy isn't for real?
It's utterly frightening. Europeans aren't even able to speak out any more against Islam. They are cowering to the Islamo-Fascists. Former civil liberties are being outlawed on a daily basis in Euro countries to appease the Islamo-Fascists. And yet the Islamo-Fascists want even more.
Europe never had freedom of speech, so not much has changed.
Eric,
I'm a liberal Democrat. I only hang around with the libertoids because I like to argue with smart people, and can't find any among you folks.
And if I seem unconcerned about "Islamofascists" censoring me, it's because the don't come within 1000 miles of being able to. Unlike our government.
Anyway, thank you for helping me make my point about Republicans' anti-censhorship credentials.
And in case you were concerned, don't worry; no one noticed you change the subject.
Nobody.
Eric: Maybe Joe does realize the threat from "Islamo-fascism" (cute but meaningless phrase), but he thinks that the Bush administrations actions are not helping to address that problem. I'm curious as to why you think it is in fact addressing that problem? Any evidence?
The NYTimes is doing what a free press is supposed to do, expose stuff our government does. Then we can judge if the stuff is wrong or not and vote accordingly. In your world, if the government was doing something illegitmate (like COINTLEPRO), how would we know about it? The government once spied on Martin Luther King and John Lennon secretly in the name of 'national security.' Don't you think it is feasible that a government could do tyrannical or just counter-productive things in secret under the banner of 'national security?' Without people like the NYTimes, how would you know?
Also, Eric D, Justin Raimondo and Lew Rockwell aren't left-libertarians. They're isolationist right-libertarians, the intellectual heirs of the America First Committee.
They're not left-wing anything.
Joe of course will go to the barricades if someone might not want a Penthouse sold to a 14 year old. Of course when the Democrats bring back the fairness doctrine and pretty much end free speech on talk radio, make it a "hate crime" for someone to use the a "N" word and use sexual harassment law to censor speech in the work place he will be right there with the government cheering them on.
I agree with you Joe that the Republicans going after ordinary porn is stupid and dangerous. But that is the difference between you and me. I will criticize the Republicans and see their faults. You NEVER SEE ANY FAULT WITH ANY DEMOCRAT NO MATTER HOW INDEFENSIBLE. Since the Democrats don't control much, you are just kind of funny and pathetic. But if the Democrats ever did get real power, I think you might be downright dangerous. You certainly would never stand up against anything the Democratic party did no matter how egregious. I really don't know how you manage to rationalize it. I really don't.
Before you start ranting and raving; I know you will because the truth always hurts the most and sets you off the most, name 10 things that the Democrats have done in your lifetime that you object to. Until you can do that, you have no credibility to talk about any of this.
"But what's particularly interesting is that we libertarians now find ourselves fully aligned with the Right and the Republican Party."
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Oh noes!
John doesn't think I have credibility!
I don't have to prove anything to you, hack.
I'm surprised that the commentators here aren't noticing that in the Imus case we've got The Market Deciding.
There was a lot of stink and kerfluffle, a lot of people wrote indignant letters to the advertisers on Imus's show, the advertisers decided being on the show was too controversial and pulled out....
What gives? Isn't this how a Libertarian economy is supposed to act?
And people can run around whining about how people "can't take a joke" all they want. Too much of what Imus was saying wasn't funny--it was nothing more than mean-spirited attacks from someone in a position of power against those who had much less power. Not funny.
If Imus ought to have been fired over his words, let us ask the following:
Should Al Sharpton lose his job over past remarks he's made about whites and jews, not to mention his infamous Tawana Brawly fiasco. Should Rosie O'Donnel be kicked off "The View" for her remarks against Christians? Should Barack Obama withdrawl from the race and resign his Senate seat because of that fake black southerner accent he put on in Alabama a few months back?
I don't understand how people who are so outraged at things people say seem so willing to sacrifice their right to choose. Why are so many people so lazy to debate, why must we eliminate a voice whom we don't agree with? Personally, I don't care about the language or words that people use. If I don't like it, I won't listen to it.
I don't often listen to Imus. I hardly give any time of the day to the likes of Sharpton, Obama, or Rosie because I think they are spewing a very flawed ideology most of the time. I don't listen to the majority of rappers who glorify the ghetto. All these people are part of a problem, but they have a right to say what they say and I would stick up for their right to say it, as they please.
Why is choice such a bad thing all of a sudden?
grumpy - I'm not saying it was funny...I've never listened to Imus because I doubt it is funny.
I mostly agree with Mr Vince's sentiments.
Imus was in a "position of power"? Oh yeah, a virtual Putin. He's probably having someone's skull cracked open at this very moment.
"Should Al Sharpton lose his job over past remarks he's made about whites and jews"
What job? That is his job.
Wrong Joe! Rockwell and Raimondo are LEFT LIBERTARIANS not Right Libertarians.
Go to Yahoo Groups. The Group Right Libertarian is run by Pro-War on Islamo-Fascism & Orange County Libertarian Party Chair Bruce Cohen.
Go to Tom Knapp's Blog. He claimes to be, and he has ads all over his Blog for "Libertarian Left."
Knapp is aligned with Raimondo.
Anthony Gregory, a prominent Rockwellian, is a self-described "Left Libertarian."
Right Libertarians support the War on Islamo-Fascism
Left Libertarians not only oppose the War, but also almost actively support Islamo-Fascism. Which makes sense, cause their views are increasingly Fascist.
Interesting little factoid:
You guys (and gals), hear about that Bill in Arizona a couple months ago, to outlaw "Sexy Mudflaps"? I think it was covered a bit here on the Reason Blog.
You know that Big Boobed women, silver, in a very provactive pose, that donns pick-up trucks and mudflaps of 18-wheelers all over the US?
Well, the DEMOCRATS in the Arizona House sought to ban that insignia from all registered Arizona vehicles.
Guess who opposed the Bill. REPUBLICANS!
The Dem sponsor of the Bill commented before it went down to defeat, "we're trying to protect the morals of all Arizonans."
The tables have turned. It's now the Democrats who are the Censors. While Republicans fight back as best as they can.
Eric Dondero: The Dems and Gops switched places last November, IIRC.