Fred Thompson

Fredmania! Catch It!

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The first poll pitting GOP fantasy candidate Fred Thompson against the Democrats is out, and Hillary comes out looking awful:

The first Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey involving Thompson shows the former Senator from Tennessee essentially tied with the Democratic frontrunner, Senator Hillary Clinton. It's Thompson 44% Clinton 43%.

However, Thompson trails another leading Democrat, Illinois Senator Barack Obama by twelve percentage points, 49% to 37%. When matched against Thompson, Obama outperforms Clinton among men, women, white voters, and unaffiliated voters. He even attracts more crossover support from the GOP.

Poor Mitt Romney, whose best showing in this poll had him losing to Hillary by 9 points and Obama by 15. Poor Democrats, who seem more than willing to toss aside their most popular candidate in a generation or so for Bill Clinton's cosmically unlikeable wife.

If there are larger lessons to be drawn from Thompson's poll numbers, they are:

1) Voters are already ready to consider more candidates for president, and reporters are ready to cover them. For all the mockery given to Unity08 or the Chuck Hagel/Michael Bloomberg third party talk, the campaign season is so long that voters could be interested in those late entries. They are also incredibly uninterested in what people stand for. (Pardoning Libby is politically unpopular, but Thompson is on the Libby Defense Fund board.)

2) Sam Waterston could run on the Unity08 ticket his damn self and probably win.

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  1. Let’s keep in mind that Thompson, the politician, is virtually unknown to the public, as opposed the Thompson, the actor, who used to hold office.

    How many people do you think know that he’s on the Scooter Libby Defense Fund board? 2%? 4?

  2. Thompson polled very low among blonde female attorneys who turned out to be lesbian in a surprise end-of-season twist ending.

    Is anyone else getting an Indian dating service ad on the right? where did that come from?

    Oh, happy Holi everyone. Throw some colored powder around.

  3. In a perfect world, everybody who votes based on likeability (cosmic or not) would have one strike against them third of their brain removed for each instance of basing a vote on such asinine non-reasons.

  4. If he gets elected he will be by far the President with the largest head ever.

  5. He’ll also be the tallest. (6’6″)

  6. Hey, I know I’m revealing I haven’t watched the show in many years, but Angie Harmon as Secretary of Defense sounds HOT!

  7. ed:

    I don’t know how you could possibly know that unless you’re…..Monica Lewinsky.

  8. Is that guy who used to play the head D.A. still alive? He’d be great as press secretary.

  9. OBAMA GONNA BRING THE DRAMA TO YOUR MOMMA IN THE OH-AYT, BOYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    (Points to giant clock necklace and bugs eyes out)

    [This message was paid for by the People For a Black Muslim President to Put Some Hurt On Crackers For a Change]

  10. Get get get get get down

    Transparent racist trolling makes you look like an assclown.

  11. People also seem uninterested in Obama’s domestic priorities.

  12. He’s Charlie Brown with gravitas. At least Sam Waterson would protect us from the robots who eat old people’s medicine for fuel.

    FLAVA,

    Don’t believe the hype.

  13. Fred Thompson is just what this country needs. He can say “aw shucks” and bring the troops home. Nobody can gainsay shucks.

  14. and Hillary comes out looking awful:

    Her looking awful and “coming out” is news?

  15. Poor Democrats, who seem more than willing to toss aside their most popular candidate in a generation or so for Bill Clinton’s cosmically unlikeable wife.

    (1) A generation hasn’t passed since Clinton was prez.

    (2) Barack is highly popular in a Ned Lamont sort of way.

  16. Is anyone else getting an Indian dating service ad on the right?

    Not me. Dammit.

  17. Is anyone else getting an Indian dating service ad on the right?

    No, just the liberty dollar scam (Inflation ahead!), Radicals for Capitalism, and CATO.

    Are you confusing that magazine cover with Indian dating?

  18. Me neither. Is she hot?

  19. This is wholly irrelevant, but if I were running the Obama campaign, I’d use Styx’s “Renegade” as my theme song: “Obama, I’m in fear for my life from the long arm of the law. . . .”

    I’m not much interested in voting for Fred Thompson; however, I would vote for Kurt Russell. Provided that he runs while wearing his Snake Plissken eye patch. Or maybe his Jack Burton getup. The latter would be better, because then James Hong–who knows that you weren’t put on this earth to “get it”–would be Secretary of Defense.

  20. This whole Fred Mania thing is just a hoax perpetrated by big pharma to sell more Tamiflu.

  21. Transparent racist trolling makes you look like an assclown.

    Sir,

    you consider it racist because you’re a liberal college educated snob, not because *it is* in fact racist. Race-tinged humor may be offensive to some, but i prefer to live in a world of people occasionally offended rather then one where we must be perpetually scolded by our ethical superiors.

    Ahem…

  22. Well, until I get more information I’m going to assume that Fred Thompson is not that likely to cause any more harm as President than most of the lot that’s seeking the job.

    And likely less than some.

  23. I would vote for Kurt Russell.

    I saw Russell at a lunch stand where I worked several years ago. He’ll need a pretty impressive eyepatch, as he’s at least a foot shorter than Thompson.

  24. if you consider a college education the mark of an elitist, then you are clearly aiming too low in life.

  25. Waterston you say? hmmmmm, where do I make campaign donations?

  26. shecky,

    Call him Snake. Besides, what he lacks in stature he makes up in quasi-libertarianishness.

  27. Snake Plissken? I heard he was dead.

    I would vote for Isaac Hayes, though. The Duke of New York. A-number-1. The big man.

    Hell, I’d vote for Donald Pleasance. Or even Ernest Borgnine.

  28. Oh, o.k.

    Just as long as you’re not trying to turn every thread that vaguely touches on Barack Obama into a discussion of his race, while trying to make black people seems ridiculous or threatening.

  29. I’m a business college educated hick and I think you’re an assclown as well.

    Plus, that was pretty funny. Joe wins the thread.

    The indian match (not dating actually) service ad disappeared and I haven’t seen it since. Perhaps they figured out that non-Indians (me) were seeing it and they panicked.

  30. de stijl,

    No Adrienne Barbeau? Or Harry Dean Stanton?

    Isaac Hayes would’ve gotten my vote, but working in St. Petersburg, I’m all too familiar with the cult he’s a member of.

  31. ProLib:

    Somehow the Ft. Harrison Hotal doesn’t attract the celebrity freaks….

  32. Poor Romney.

  33. Lamar,

    That’s the HQ, yes, but there’s a special celebrity temple in Los Angeles. Can’t have the hoi polloi mixing with the beautiful people.

    Of course, Travolta is based in nearby Ocala. Just a short 707 flight away.

  34. Adrienne Barbeau could be the Secretary of Awesome 70’s Boobs. Harry Dean would be in charge of poppin’ back the bourbon and cackling like a loon.

    Lee Van Cleef for Sec’y of Defense. Nobody would fuck with Lee Van Cleef.

    Also, Issac would open every press conference with “Hello, childrens!” and the reporters would be required to answer “Hello, Mr. President” but somewhat despondently.

    Helen Thomas would then ask of Mr. Hayes, “Mr. President, where’s the clitoris?”

  35. de stijl,

    Would it be too tenuous a connection for me to suggest Bea Arthur for Chief of Staff? “God will get you for that, Isaac.”

    Lee Van Cleef is dead, but maybe Clint would stand in for him?

    Oh, and Harry should be Secretary of Repo Men.

  36. VM,

    His greatest role. Should’ve won the Oscar. The film also established who the real Estevez was.

  37. Do I have to find a spot for Emilio too? He’s kind of a wanker.

    What was in the trunk? Any theories? Aliens, maybe?

  38. I think this is the first ever national ’08 poll that shows any Republican not named Giuliani or McCain beating any of the top 3 Dems (Clinton/Obama/Edwards). Gingrich, Romney, Brownback, etc. do pitifully in the head to head matchups I’ve seen against Clinton/Obama/Edwards.

    There are also some new state primary polls out that show Thompson doing pretty well:

    http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/

    Iowa shows:
    Giuliani 29
    McCain 29
    Thompson 12
    Romney 10
    Gingrich 7
    everyone else at 1% or less

    Thompson is already in third place in Iowa, and he wasn’t even considering running until two weeks ago! How low most those 2nd/3rd tier candidates like Brownback and Huckabee feel, that they’ve been campaigning in Iowa for months, and they’re at like 0-1%?

  39. Is the Secretary of Repo Men the head of the IRS?

  40. “What was in the trunk?”

    ohhh. You don’t wanna look in there…

    loved the soundtrack to the movie, too!

  41. Oh, and Brian Boitano for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

  42. ProLibertate: I’ve been inside the Ft. Harrison, when I worked for the Wine Cellar (Redington Beach restaurant) back in the day. This was after L.Ron died. It was a bit bizarre when they had use set a place for him at the main table. Nice place, creepy people.

  43. suprise, suprise… Rasmussen ignores Ron Paul too.

  44. We need less Fredmania and more Friedmania

  45. What was in the trunk? Any theories? Aliens, maybe?

    Snake Plissken’s missing eyeball.

  46. Is the Secretary of Repo Men the head of the IRS?

    de stijl,

    Yes and no. The IRS will be no more under the Russell administration. However, when the federal government occasionally needs revenues to fund defense or something like that, crack squads of repo men will snatch cars (only those with scented Xmas trees, of course) and sell them.

    Lamar,

    Wow. I’ve never been in that deep. I’d prefer to follow an Asimovian religion, if I had to go with some sci-fi author’s ideas.

  47. Clint Eastwood gets my vote.

    “Do you feel lucky Kim Il?” “Make my day.”

  48. Pro Liberate,

    This Russell administration of which you speak: I hope it’s the New York version not the L.A. version (and definitely not the Captain Ron version).

    Who catches the punks who go out and do some crimes? Like getting some sushi and not paying?

  49. “de stijl | March 23, 2007, 4:01pm | #
    Oh, and Brian Boitano for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.”

    but what would Brian Boitano do?

    Just remember about John Wayne!

  50. de stijl,

    Only Escape from New York is canon. I’m not even sure why they felt the need to go Plissken-look in Captain Ron. I sense the hand of Satan in that one.

    People who run out on their sushi bill should be punished to the maximum extent of the law. Haven’t you ever wondered why raw fish costs so much? It’s them danged kids.

  51. Marion Cobretti for UN Ambassador!

  52. Getting sushi and not paying is the disease. I’m the cure.

    (Cobra for Top G-Man!)

  53. “However, when the federal government occasionally needs revenues to fund defense or something like that, crack squads of repo men will snatch cars (only those with scented Xmas trees, of course) and sell them.”

    So instead of withholding, they’ll just ask for our help getting the car out of this bad area.

  54. “People who run out on their sushi bill should be punished to the maximum extent of the law. Haven’t you ever wondered why raw fish costs so much? It’s them danged kids.”

    Related:

    In Denmark they’re working to criminalize the sale of fish to private customers if said customer reveals that he/she will make sushi out of it!

    (http://politiken.dk/erhverv/article270188.ece)

  55. Just remember about John Wayne!

    VM,

    Okay, it’s time to loop back to Flava Flav (and the immortal Chuck D):

    Elvis was a hero to most (repeat)
    But he never meant shit to me
    Straight up racist that sucker was
    Simple and plain
    Motherfuck him and John Wayne

  56. Repo men are the elegant solution to our revenue woes. Repossession is progressive, because it targets people who own cars. It also allows those who don’t like taxes an easy way to opt out–if you don’t want to be “taxed” don’t own a car. That also would encourage mass transit, which should please you as well. Also, the people would respect repo men, because of their toughness and no-nonsense attitude. And small business would benefit, because we’d need lots of used car salesmen. And gun dealers.

  57. The Draft Bloomberg bunch is growing…
    http://www.draftmichael.com

  58. The Draft Bloomberg bunch is growing…

    I think that Gary Bauer’s campaign proved that wee, fey Republicans are not America’s sweethearts.

  59. What was in the trunk? Any theories? Aliens, maybe?

    Alex Cox said it was an allegory to the neutron bomb, which was supposed to kill people without destroying property.

    I like your friends…

    Thanks! I made them myself.

  60. Wasn’t it supposed to be the bodies of aliens, giving off radiation as they decay?

  61. joe – yes, in the story that’s what it was. It was allegorically about the neutron bomb – the scientist was based on an actual nuclear scientist he met.

  62. joe,

    I believe that it was actually the body of Colonel Kurtz, brought home from Vietnam by Captain Willard, Otto’s dad.

  63. Maybe it was the gold watch that Captain Koons brought back from that POW camp.

    “The way your dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He’d be damned if any slopes was gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boys birthright, so he hid, it in the one place he knew he could hide something, his trunk.”

  64. Was it the same stuff that was in the brief case that Jules’ was carrying for Marcellus?

    How ’bout The Gimp for Ambassador to the U.N.?

  65. Alex Cox said it was an allegory to the neutron bomb, which was supposed to kill people without destroying property.

    No wonder the Anarchists and the Dukes hate it.

  66. Joe: Shouldn’t of backed down–you were right.

    Nice try, Flav, Esq. Your phony “Black Muslim” label ain’t “race-tinged humor” (cute fancy talk, you elitist), only chickenshit.

    Hit & run = no class. Don’t be going for the hit then running away saying you didn’t.

    Verdict: Assclown.

  67. I think poll answerers and voters would be interested in issues if they could vote directly on them. If elected officials had purview only over narrow ranges of issues, such that one could predict easily what types of issues would come before each and likely be taken care of by each, voters would vote for candidates on the issues.

  68. 2008 ? All I’ll say is ANYBODY BUT THE BITCH!!!

  69. Hey so
    was the dating thing feather indian, or dot indian? Either way I am interested.

    I would vote for Fred Thomson, or Ron Paul if they were the republican nominees. I can’t say the same for any of the other candidates.

    Bonus for Thomson is that he would pardon Scooter.

  70. Also, I am mildly interested in Obama. I know he is probably a socialist and all that crap. But it would be interesting to have a moslem president I think.

    Would it not? Does that make me racist?

    I mean he otherwise does seem like the least odeous democrat, and it would make middle east relations interesting.

    Like “hey we are not crusaders, and we are not trying to take your shit or destroy your religion, see we have a moslem president too. you can do it and still be prosperous”

    (Presumably we would still be prosperous, and he would not be too big a socialist)

  71. Obama is not a Muslim. The question of whether he was a Muslim for a brief time as a child is a little murky, but the answer to that is probably also “no.” His father was undoubtedly Muslim, however.

  72. What religion is he?

    Didn’t he go to an islamic school when he was a kid? I don’t think those are like catholic schools that you can go to and not be catholic.

    Of course he could have been Moslem and renounced his religion.

  73. What religion is he?

    I am thinking that he is Baptist, but not positive. Kind of hard to tell about some of us who don’t really show up for services.

  74. Obama giving a speech on faith in politics

    He’s a christian, don’t know the denomination.

  75. IIRC, he actually mentions the denomination of his church at some point in the speech, so it is in there for the curious.

    Given the content of his speech on the matter, I don’t think it matters much.

  76. homeboy,

    It’s what’s known as a Parthian Shot. I didn’t back down, I fired over my shoulder and rode into the sunset.

    kwais,

    He didn’t go to a Muslem school. He want to a public school in a majority-Muslim country, which included Koran studies as part of the curriculum, for a couple of years.

  77. The best thing about the Russell Administration will be the TV addresses where he explains how he wants to cut the budget, yelling “Too Fucking Expensive!” while go-go dancers frug on either side of the Prez, as he hits the switch and the HHS building blows up.

    If he appoints Jack Warden to be Secy. of Commerce, that’s one salary saved.

    Kevin

  78. Thompson is certainly better than the rest of the field (except Ron Paul) and I think is the best of those that could win.

  79. Thanks for the info Joe.

    I musta got the same email about Obama’s life that the dude you were arguing with got. It was probably meant to be a scare email. But really, I don’t see the big deal of what religion he is.

    Joe,
    How big a socialist is Barrak Obama? Gun Contol? Price Control? Socialized Medicine?

    Andrew, I agree with you completey about Thomson. He is the best of the guys that can win. So it seems.

  80. I like Fred. But it’s getting too late in the game. Here we are already in late March.

    Dick Morris said that any serious Presidential candidate needs to have $100 million in the bank by September 1.

    Only Rudy (maybe McCain), can accomplish this.

    Look at all the stuff that’s been thrown at Rudy in the last few weeks. Nothing has stuck. His poll numbers are going up.

    BREAKING NEWS!!! Libertarian Republican Congressman Ed Royce of California has just endorsed Rudy Giuliani for President.

  81. Yes, Eric Dondero, let’s just recreate the English language by claiming that Rudy Guiliani is a libertarian.

    Maybe you can do the same linguistic alchemy and turn this $5000 CD of mine that is about to mature into a Million Bucks.

  82. “How many people do you think know that he’s on the Scooter Libby Defense Fund board? 2%? 4?”

    How many of the up-for-grabs independent voters
    know who the fuck Scooter Libby is….

    How many of the Republican base voters know who he is?…..and of those who do,are ANY livid that he is “covering for Rove, Cheney and Der Fuehrer Chimpy McHalliburton”

    looks like Thompson has a real problem with the nutroots though joe

  83. “How many of the up-for-grabs independent voters
    know who the fuck Scooter Libby is….”

    You don’t watch the news much, do you?

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