The Filthy Bumper Sticker Gang

The Grier family of Georgia are apparently a gang of vile and persistant lawbreakers, flouting propriety and decency as a sick sort of career, according to the reactions of Georgia police. First, the 20-year-old kid was pulled over in Athens last year and forced to remove on the spot a "Bush Sucks Dick. Cheney Too" sticker; now mom Denise Grier is given a hundred dollar ticket for her "Bushit" decal.

She refuses to pay, and has obtained the services of an ACLU lawyer. According to the Progressive magazine article, Georgia's lewd bumpersticker statute was overtuned by its Supreme Court in 1991, in a challenge involving a "Shit Happens" sticker.

The Dekalb County cops have a suitably tough-talking non-response:

"We don't comment on other officers' tickets," says Officer Herschel Grangent, who handles media affairs. "That officer is making his decision on the street."

Those streets, ominously left unspoken, are filled with more filthy bumper stickers than you second-guessing desk-jockies can imagine, my friend, in your most hideous obscene dream. More, and worse, than you can imagine.

Comments

[Lowdog]

I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit.

[happyjuggler0]

Bush Sucks Dick. Cheney Too

I can understand why a cop might pull someone over for having that bumper sticker. To ask him where he got it so he can have one too.

Too bad there isn't any real crime going on in Georgia, or they wouldn't bother violating someone's 1st Amendment rights. They'd have no time.

If you understand what Bush Sucks Dick. Cheney Too actually means, you are no longer a young naif who needs protecting. If you don't understand what Bush Sucks Dick. Cheney Too means, then you aren't being hurt even if you are a young naif. If you are an adult who understands what it means and are offended, tough shit. It is offensive speech for which the 1st amendment exists. There is no need to protect offenseless speech.

[Warren]

"We don't comment on other officers' tickets," says Officer Herschel Grangent, who handles media affairs. "That officer is making his decision on the street."

Right, because when he's on the street, the officer has to make up the law as he goes along. What an asshat. I bet they still issue tickets for driving while black down there in Georgia.

[ZenMasterThis]

Remind me to route my next roadtrip AROUND Georgia.

[SR]

"Officer Herschel Grangent"

Herschel???

[albo]

If you don't understand what Bush Sucks Dick. Cheney Too means, then you aren't being hurt even if you are a young naif

who are you, Dr. Spock?

free speech, offensive speech, fine. but people should at least show manners and civility when other folks are forced by circumstances (like sitting behind your POS in traffic) to be exposed to your free speech.

[MP]

Remind me to route my next roadtrip AROUND Georgia.

Well, if you are driving North/South, I guess you could skip on over to Alabama. Last I checked, it was certified "Cracker-Free". Honest.

[Number 6]

Albo-Perhaps they should. But the leap from "people ought to be civil" to "There otta be a law" is where the problem comes in.

[Joe Cuba]

"I never go back to Georgia".

[happyjuggler0]

albo, there should not be a law against rudeness. I personally would rather not sit behind a car in traffic with nauseous bumper stickers like Save the Planet etc. The planet will always be here, it is the people who need saving.

If you are going to ban one bumper sticker for any reason, you need to ban them all. How boring.

[Jersey McJones]

A civil society does not tolerate people drving on the public roads with foul words and depictions for all to see on their vehicles. It's a public road and it's a priviledge to drive on it. I see no problem with imposing basic rules of conduct for those who share the roads.

JMJ

[Number 6]

How's life under that bridge, JMJ?

[fishbane]

A civil society does not tolerate people drving on the public roads with foul words and depictions for all to see on their vehicles. It's a public road and it's a priviledge to drive on it. I see no problem with imposing basic rules of conduct for those who share the roads.

Great. Confederate flags and jesus fish offend me, so those get banned too, right?

[SR]

"I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit."

Also, props for the Star Wars reference.

[Jersey McJones]

Fishbane,

The FCC sets simple standards for what goes on the public airwaves, the same could be done for the public roads. They are public places and not forums for scumbags who want to advertise their low-brow senses of humor.

JMJ

[just another lurker]

In a comment to the linked article attributed to Denise Grier she claims:

"Actually the bumper sticker read: Bush sucks. Dick Cheney too.
It's all in the punctuation and word placemnt"

Which makes it even more innocuous, unless the officer is claiming "sucks" as inherently obscene.

[albo]

I'm not for a law against being an offensive jerk. if so, that's the end of internet discussion forums.

but we all are a part of a society and as such should exercise a bit of that social lubricant called civility when out in the public spaces. people that don't should be punished not by law but by ridicule and contempt.

[fishbane]

Jersey: The FCC sets simple standards for what goes on the public airwaves, the same could be done for the public roads.

I'm familiar with the theory, I just find it odd that someone would hang out here and support the notion that a panel constipated moralists should set the tone for public discourse.

Makes me want to make my life's goal getting Robert Anton Wilson the FCC chair.

[Steven Crane]

Can we trade Jersey McJones for amazingdrx?

As annoying and incomprehensible as amazingdrx was, he did at least seem to have a healthy regard for civil liberties.

[Brian24]

JMcJ,

And what if I find bumper stickers that are disrespectful of our troops, or our president, to be offensive? And if I can remove those statements from people's cars because they are in a public space, why not ban discussion of these topics in public parks, or restaurants, or on the public airwaves?

[Jetboy]

Some of the best writing and creative use of language and grammar come from bumper stickers.

[joe]

OK, fine, the officer is out on the street and has to make a call.

But when an appeal is filed and it gets back to the Department, it's time for someone with some bars on his collar to use his freaking head.

[Georgia Peaches]

Mah Lawd, how will ah evah explain to mah babies why some folks don't take a shine to our president? And Jesus help me if ah evah need to explain to them what "Bush Sucks. Dick Cheney Too." means! There ought to be a law! Won't somebody think of the children???

[Jersey McJones]

Fishbane - they are public roads, there have to be standards. Do you want your kids to see cuss words and sex acts as you drive them to soccor practice?

Steven,

What about the civil liberties of those other folks driving along the public roads?

Brian,

"And what if I find bumper stickers that are disrespectful of our troops, or our president, to be offensive? And if I can remove those statements from people's cars because they are in a public space, why not ban discussion of these topics in public parks, or restaurants, or on the public airwaves?"

Ya' ever hear the expression, "I'll know it when I see it?" Yes, standards of decency are subjective, but that's why we have a representative democracy to sort these things out.

JMJ

[happyjuggler0]

we all are a part of a society and as such should exercise a bit of that social lubricant called civility when out in the public spaces. people that don't should be punished not by law but by ridicule and contempt

Amen.

[wise ass]

Hayseeds who use bumper stickers to vent their crackpot theories are low-tech versions of bloggers who...

Oh. Never mind.

[Jersey McJones]

Fishbane - they are public roads, there have to be standards. Do you want your kids to see cuss words and sex acts as you drive them to soccor practice?

Steven,

What about the civil liberties of those other folks driving along the public roads?

Brian,

"And what if I find bumper stickers that are disrespectful of our troops, or our president, to be offensive? And if I can remove those statements from people's cars because they are in a public space, why not ban discussion of these topics in public parks, or restaurants, or on the public airwaves?"

Ya' ever hear the expression, "I'll know it when I see it?" Yes, standards of decency are subjective, but that's why we have a representative democracy to sort these things out.

JMJ

[JDen]

It's amazing to me that so many of you people equate obscenity with 1st amendment rights.

If this is what passes for libertarian thought, then no wonder you are an irrelevant party.

[Jesus Christ]

Where do you guys find this shit?

[Pro Libertate]

joe, exactly. It's natural that your average cop or even your average civil servant might do something silly or even unconstitutional. It's another matter altogether when the institution behind the silly bad actor backs his action up.

JMJ, the legal basis for the FCC's ability to regulate the public airwaves is different from any governmental authority to regulate speech on cars or in a park. The rationale--one I mostly don't agree with, incidentally--for the airwaves regulation is that the channels used are (1) public and (2) scarce. Since only so many people get a voice on those limited channels, we the people have a right to regulate the content that is broadcast over those channels.

In regular speech land, the rationale doesn't really exist except in certain limited situations. Therefore, I can wear a "Fuck the Draft" jacket or have a bumper sticker than says that the government is run by "damned aliens". Content or viewpoint discrimination is particularly frowned upon, especially when the viewpoint in question is political. I've seen some nasty stuff from all sides, and I don't particularly like the level of discourse in question, but there's no question that it's protected speech. Honestly, wouldn't you be a little upset if the current administration said that anti-war bumper stickers (for example) were "offensive" and needed to be banned? I know that I would be.

[happyjuggler0]

Jden,

What is the free speech provision in the 1st Amenment for if not to protect offensive speech? Name one single other good reason for it please.

If you disallow offensive speech, what speech is allowed? Who is to say that whatever you say will not be judged offensive by a jury of your "peers"?

[Steven Crane]

Steven,

What about the civil liberties of those other folks driving along the public roads?

What civil liberties are these that have been so trod upon?

[fishbane]

Fishbane - they are public roads, there have to be standards. Do you want your kids to see cuss words and sex acts as you drive them to soccor practice?

Doesn't bother me. When my kid reaches the point of old enough to have an idea of what's going on, that's a signal that it is time to talk about such things. Either I can teach her about it, of her peers will for me. I'd rather be the one to do it.

You may prefer outsourcing that part of your parental responsibility, and that's perfectly fine. Just don't do it with my tax money. Ditto your FCC argument: if you want a pack of prunes making your media selections for you, I'm all for you doing just that. I would prefer to handle that task for myself, and not subsidize your use of that service.

[Number 6]

It's amazing to me that so many of you people equate obscenity with 1st amendment rights.

If this is what passes for libertarian thought, then no wonder you are an irrelevant party.
Obscenity is already illegal, per SCOTUS. By calling the sticker obscene, you're begging the question. The conclusion you're assuming is doubly silly since, as far as I can tell, no one is arguing that the sticker met the legal definintion of obscenity (look it up.).
If you're wanting people here to take you seriously, you're going to have to do better than that.

[emerson]

Jersey-

"What about the civil liberties of those other folks driving along the public roads?"

What about them?

I can walk up and down the street and say, "Bush sucks. Dick Cheney too" to every person I meet. Why can't i put it on a car? Being annoying and/or vulgar isn't a crime, nor should it be. People have differences. The last time a whole nation agreed on everything it was Germany in the 1930s, and it didn't turn out that funny. If you get offended, sharpen your verbal machete and offer a response. Don't go call your lawyer because people are saying your president is a cock gobbler.

[R C Dean]

So, JMJ if I can't have "Bush sucks" on a bumper sticker on my car, can I say it while walking down the road, loud enough to be overheard by passersby? What's the distinction?

I know, don't feed the troll. I feel like a dog eating its own vomit, though - I just can't help myself.

[zeroentitlement]

Do you want your kids to see cuss words and sex acts as you drive them to soccor [sic] practice?

Um, how about this: since you chose to breed the kids, and you're also the one exposing the kids to "sex acts" mystifyingly carried out through bumper stickers (please post how that's actually accomplished, when you get a chance), how about we have the cops pull YOU over and cite YOU for parental neglect?

The law does NOT guarantee you and your spawn the right never to be offended. It does NOT guarantee that you and spawn will never encounter anyone in public who thinks, lives, or expresses themselves differently than you. You and your spawn are NOT victims, and have suffered no harm, just because you saw a damned bumper sticker you don't like.

If sharing a public world with diverse people causes you pain, then please stay in your house and have the kids play in the backyard.

[mediageek]

"They are public places and not forums for scumbags who want to advertise their low-brow senses of humor."

And yet, I have to imagine that if the administrators of this blog decided that they no longer wanted Jersey McJones venting his sense of low-brow politics and booted him off of this blog, he'd go back to what ever website he came here from and blather on about how Reason was unfair to kick him off of the site.

[amazingdrx]

Did someone call?

Georgians deserve all the police state harrassment that can be appled to them. Maybe it will wake the confederate nazis up?

Naaaw. Who cares. Seeing them tortured by their own stupidity is at least marginally satisfying.

The southland is hopeless. Best to avoid the coming devestation from Katrina after Katrina by cutting off all aid. Then ship ALL the nuclear waste down south, they all can bury it under their trailers for cheap heat!

[Pro Libertate]

JMJ, the "I know it when I see it" line comes from an offhand remark by Justice Stewart back when the current Miller test for obscenity was still being hammered out. It's not the standard for evaluating whether speech is protected or not, not even for obscenity.

Just for the record, the Miller test for obscenity is--

• Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
• Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable state law, and
• Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Although this test probably doesn't hold completely any more (Internet? Community standards? Que pasa?), it shows that even hardcore pornography gets evaluated on a much deeper level than whether it's "offensive". Freedom of speech has little meaning if someone who disagrees with what you've said or who is even offended by what you've said can use the power of the state to shut you up.

[amazingdrx]

Gee geek, with your powerful connections at Reason, I bet you could get him booted? How is your campaign to boot me coming along?

[Pro Libertate]

You know, the soothing surrealness of amazingdrx is something to behold 🙂

[Jennifer]

Functions of the government: defend the borders, keep the infrastructure in good shape, and make sure kids are never exposed to words like "sucks."

[Ron]

JMJ: Your argument was rejected a long time ago by the Supreme Court in Cohen v. California. Here's a very brief synopsis: http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/77/

[happyjuggler0]

Just imagine the bumper stickers if Dukakis got elected in 88.

[Jersey McJones]

PL,

"JMJ, the legal basis for the FCC's ability to regulate the public airwaves is different from any governmental authority to regulate speech on cars or in a park. The rationale--one I mostly don't agree with, incidentally--for the airwaves regulation is that the channels used are (1) public and (2) scarce."

I fail to see the difference, PL. The roads are scarce too, in the sense that people pretty much have to drive those few roads they can to get from where they are to where they need to be.

I'm only saying that "sucks dick" on a bumper sticker is (what's the word for this again? - something to do with deficating...) bad. Heck, one could jjust make a list of ten words or so and be done with this.

Steven,

"What civil liberties are these that have been so trod upon?"

The right to not have your kids exposed to profanity on the public roads.

Fishbane,

"Doesn't bother me."

That's the problem with libertarians - they lack Golden Rule sensibilities.

Number 6,

"It's amazing to me that so many of you people equate obscenity with 1st amendment rights.

If this is what passes for libertarian thought, then no wonder you are an irrelevant party."

- exactly. And I do consider myself a civil libertarian

Emerson,

"I can walk up and down the street and say, "Bush sucks. Dick Cheney too" to every person I meet."

Actually, no you can not. You could be arrested for disorderly conduct if you did that in a public place. And, by the way, comparing the illegality of obscene public behavior with the Nazis is just plain stupid and you are spitting in the face of 10s of millions of Hitler's victims.

RCD,

"So, JMJ if I can't have "Bush sucks" on a bumper sticker on my car, can I say it while walking down the road, loud enough to be overheard by passersby? What's the distinction?"

"Sucks dick" is the distinction, RCD. You can drive around with "Bush Sucks" all you want. I'll beep at you and say, "yeah!"

Zero,

Read above.

JMJ

[biologist]

since the spectrum is limited, and the radio spectrum is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, as is the visible light spectrum, which is also quite limited, the gov'ment must regulate the visible light spectrum. I'm purchasing the rights to blue, green, and purple wavelengths. if you have any clothes that reflect these wavelengths, send me money for using my part of the visible light spectrum.

[Evan]

"Yes, standards of decency are subjective, but that's why we have a representative democracy to sort these things out."

It's good to see Jonesy back in action, and ready to get his sorry ass handed to him yet again by the forces of sanity.

Jonesy, here's the thing: the Bill of Rights was set up to make sure that the tyranny of the majority (aka "representative democracy") could not legally infringe upon certain things. Free speech is one of those things.

In your majoritarian cracktopia, if 50.1% of the people voted that we all had to wear plaid pants on Thursdays, then it would instantly be a law.

Honestly, Jonesy, I am dumbfounded that you STILL cannot tell the difference between a majoritarian democracy and a constitutional republic. Fucking dumbfounded!

[Jennifer]

The right to not have your kids exposed to profanity on the public roads.

Which Constitutional amendment guarantees your kids the right to never be exposed to profanity? Is it the amendment guaranteeing "freedom from speech"?

[Steven Crane]

The right to not have your kids exposed to profanity on the public roads.

This is not a right; it's neither enumerated nor implied. At -best-, it's a social contract, but a remarkably stupid and outdated one. You can be offended by incivility and impoliteness all you want, but that is, and should only be, tough-titty for you.

[albo]

solution: let's make all public spaces into private spaces and let the owners dictate codes of conduct.

so, if that kind of speech is not tolerated on Fairlanes, you can use Cruiseways

[Evan]

"I'm only saying that "sucks dick" on a bumper sticker is (what's the word for this again? - something to do with deficating...) bad. Heck, one could jjust make a list of ten words or so and be done with this."

Who makes this list? You know, what if that same panel of moralist prudes who make up this list also decide that "Jersey" and "McJones" are offensive too? Oh, dang, Jonesy...you're shit outta luck, baby!

[linguist]

You know, the soothing surrealness of amazingdrx is something to behold 🙂

I was just thinking this. It gives "lesser of two weevils" a new meaning.

[Isaac Bartram]

- exactly. And I do consider myself a civil libertarian

Holy shit, if I consider myself a billionaire and offer you half will you go the fuck away.

[Steven Crane]

Georgians deserve all the police state harrassment that can be appled to them. Maybe it will wake the confederate nazis up?

Damn, drx, I'd just given you credit for showing at least some fealty to the civil-libertarian cause.

Are you honestly saying that even fellow civil-libertarians in Jawja deserve the "papers plz" treatment? Surely someone with a "Bush Sucks" bumper sticker isn't much of a Confederate Nazi.

[Evan]

Jonesy:

"The right to not have your kids exposed to profanity on the public roads."

Funny, I don't remember seeing that "right" enumerated anywhere.

"That's the problem with libertarians - they lack Golden Rule sensibilities."

Rrrrrriiiight, Jonesy. Sure. Actually, it's precisely these sensibilities that lead us to oppose your hamhanded attempts to impose your views on everyone else: I wouldn't want someone passing a law that prohibited me from saying the word "three" in public, so therefore, I don't support laws that prohibit other words in public. It's just that simple.

It's amazing how you can take your own shortcomings and try to project them onto others.

""Sucks dick" is the distinction, RCD. You can drive around with "Bush Sucks" all you want. I'll beep at you and say, "yeah!"

Why, because the Federal Decency Panel decided that sexual innuendo was not to be tolerated? Excuse me, but I find "suck" much more offensive than "dick", Jonesy. Why aren't MY preferences being protected? What about ME!?

[Jersey McJones]

Geek,

"And yet, I have to imagine that if the administrators of this blog decided that they no longer wanted Jersey McJones venting his sense of low-brow politics and booted him off of this blog, he'd go back to what ever website he came here from and blather on about how Reason was unfair to kick him off of the site."

I've been banned from Hannity and just about every conservative website out there. I pride myself in it. If you guys like your blinders on, then by all means ban me. I won't blather that much. You wouldn't be the first.

PL,

"JMJ, the "I know it when I see it" line comes from an offhand remark by Justice Stewart back when the current Miller test for obscenity was still being hammered out. It's not the standard for evaluating whether speech is protected or not, not even for obscenity."

I'm impressed that you caught the reference - I'm depressed that you fail to see the connection...

Jennifer,

"Functions of the government: defend the borders, keep the infrastructure in good shape, and make sure kids are never exposed to words like "sucks."

"Sucks" has become a commonly accepted colloquialism. "Sucks dick" is profanity.

Ron,

Ron, you can take a jacket off. You can be thrown out of an establishment for wearing it. You can't do the same with a car.

JMJ

[just passing through]

This is what happens when the inmates are allowed internet privileges.

[Pro Libertate]

linguist, as someone else around here said, it's like performance art. Dr. X is the only true master. A Dali of insane political pronouncements, if you will.

I'm awash in admiration.

[Jennifer]

"Sucks" has become a commonly accepted colloquialism. "Sucks dick" is profanity.

"Bush sucks. Dick Cheney too" is not even obscenity, but a double entendre. If seeing such a bumper sticker scars your kid for life, your kid never had a chance anyway.

[R C Dean]

So, in JMJ Land, I could and should be thrown in jail for saying "Bush sucks dick" on a public road.

Noted.

[Akira MacKenzie]

"What about the civil liberties of those other folks driving along the public roads?"

How in the Hell is seeing or hearing "obscene"* words or images a violation of anyone's civil rights?

I've read the Bill of Rights, top to bottom, left to right, and I can't find one reference on protecting citizens from words, pictures, ideas, or anything else they find offensive. As a matter of fact, the First Amendement specifically protects freedom of speech, press, and expression.

Freedom of Speech/Press/Expressionn wasn't meant to protect just the speech that everyone finds agreeable. It was designed to protect the "offensive" the "radical," and even the "obscene."

Of course Jersey, since there doesn't seem to to be any area of our lives that you don't think that government should intrude upon, this concept is lost on you. However, just what in the hell do you or society gain for making sure that someone is legally punished for displaying a bumper sticker that implies that the sitting president engages in fellatio? What the fuck do YOU get out of it?

*There really is no such thing as "obsenity," except in the neurotic minds of the anti-sex prudes who populate this world.

[G. Carlin]

Who makes this list?

You said 10, right? Well I've got it 70% done.

[Timothy]

"Bush sucks. Dick Cheney too" is not even obscenity, but a double entendre. If seeing such a bumper sticker scars your kid for life, your kid never had a chance anyway.

I've long thought that exactly no children are traumatized by exposure to adult material, but there are many children traumatized by their parents' insane and neurotic overreactions to same.

[Jersey McJones]

Evan, Jennifer, Steven,

This is about using the PUBLIC ROADS - the PUBLIC ROADS that we pay taxes and tolls for. If the public generally agrees that it does not want to be subjected to profanity on the PUBLIC ROADS then so be it. (Besides, isn't a bit of a health hazard?)

JMJ

[Jersey McJones]

What the hell kind of slobby world do you guys want to live in, anyway?

JMJ

[Jersey McJones]

"Bush sucks. Dick Cheney too"

By the way - expressed like this - it would be fine.

JMJ

[jeffiek]

"The right to not have your kids exposed to profanity on the public roads."

When all else fails, play the kiddie card.

[jowja dude]

What the hell kind of slobby world do you guys want to live in, anyway?

A free one.

[Jennifer]

What the hell kind of slobby world do you guys want to live in, anyway?

The kind of world where merely being rude or offensive is not grounds for legal sanctions. The kind of world where people understand the difference between "being hurt" and "being offended."

This is about using the PUBLIC ROADS - the PUBLIC ROADS that we pay taxes and tolls for

The bumper-sticker woman pays taxes too.

If the public generally agrees that it does not want to be subjected to profanity on the PUBLIC ROADS then so be it.

Ah, so the Constitution only applies to people of whom the public approves.

If you really care so much about the will of the majority, then why the hell do you post here, anyway?

[Pro Libertate]

JMJ, if we treat public fora as places where majoritarian values can be used to silence minority speakers, where will our discourse happen? Seriously. Don't public fora deserve perhaps even greater protection? What happens to the "I Have a Dream" speech (on the Mall, right?) if the not-really-happy-about-all-that-black-anger majority said, "We are offended"?

Of course, no Nazis ever marched through Skokie under your scheme. Maybe you're right after all, because I hate Illinois Nazis 🙂

[Jennifer]

What the hell kind of slobby world do you guys want to live in, anyway?

The kind of world where merely being rude or offensive is not grounds for legal sanctions. The kind of world where people understand the difference between "being hurt" and "being offended."

This is about using the PUBLIC ROADS - the PUBLIC ROADS that we pay taxes and tolls for

The bumper-sticker woman pays taxes too.

If the public generally agrees that it does not want to be subjected to profanity on the PUBLIC ROADS then so be it.

Ah, so the Constitution only applies to people of whom the public approves.

If you really think the will of the majority is so important, then seriously--why the hell do you post here, anyway?

[Jennifer]

The Reason staff's continued refusal to do something about this goddamned server of theirs demonstrates their sublime indifference to the will of the majority, that's for sure.

[Evan]

"This is about using the PUBLIC ROADS - the PUBLIC ROADS that we pay taxes and tolls for. If the public generally agrees that it does not want to be subjected to profanity on the PUBLIC ROADS then so be it. (Besides, isn't a bit of a health hazard?)"

A) Just because something is labelled "public" doesn't exempt the users from the First Amendment protections. Quite the opposite.

B) How are "profane" bumper stickers a "public health hazard". I've seen you reach before, but that one takes the cake.

"What the hell kind of slobby world do you guys want to live in, anyway?"

One where the personal preferences of a tyrannical majority aren't legislated and enforced upon the minority at the point of a gun. One where the government has better things to do than police my bumper for words that might offend someone. One where slobbiness isn't illegal, but is merely socially frowned upon. That kind of world.

"By the way - expressed like this - it would be fine."

I'm so glad that the almighty Jersey McJones approves. Any more personal-preferences-come-laws that you'd like to shine down upon the unenlightened, slobby masses?

[Steven Crane]

his is about using the PUBLIC ROADS - the PUBLIC ROADS that we pay taxes and tolls for. If the public generally agrees that it does not want to be subjected to profanity on the PUBLIC ROADS then so be it. (Besides, isn't a bit of a health hazard?)

1. You're assuming that the public does, actually, agree that it doesn't want to see obscenity on the public roads. It probably doesn't. (okay, it does, but the same people who object to "Bush Sucks Dick. Cheney Too" probably maintain an "Ass, Gas, or Grass; Nobody Rides For Free!" bumper sticker. Or worse, a Confederate flag. free speech for me, but not for thee!)

2. Even if the public agrees (it doesn't) you're assuming that policing such speech is a legitimate purpose of government. Slippery, slippery slope, indeed.

3. Health hazard? WTF?

[Number 6]

So, JMJ has been banned from Hannity. The mind boggles. It's sort of like when the drummer got tossed out of Gun N Roses; you have to wonder, "Just how screwed up to you have to be to get tossed from that group?"

[Jennifer]

So, JMJ has been banned from Hannity

What?

[Evan]

Jen: above, he was bragging about getting banned from some sean hannity discussion group. WTF exactly.

[linguist]

Oh, yeah, Jen, somewhere today he noted that he's been banned from hannity and "every other conservative blog" and is proud of it.

(shrug)!

[J sub D]

JMJ - To paraphrase the first Clinton campaign, It's the FREE SPEECH, stupid.

[Kevin]

Sure it's a health hazard. People see sticker. People get distracted by obscenity. People crash cars. What's not to get?

[happyjuggler0]

I do consider myself a civil libertarian

There "ought" to be a law that when you put something hysterically funny in a post that you warn people first so they don't choke while eating via their instinct to laugh.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=libertarian

libertarian n.

1) One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
2) One who believes in free will.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=civil

civil adj.

1)Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens: civil duties.
2)Of or relating to citizens and their interrelations with one another or with the state: civil society; the civil branches of government.
3)Of ordinary citizens or ordinary community life as distinguished from the military or the ecclesiastical: civil authorities.
4)Of or in accordance with organized society; civilized.
5)Sufficiently observing or befitting accepted social usages; not rude: a civil reply. See Synonyms at polite.
6)Being in accordance with or denoting legally recognized divisions of time: a civil year.
7)Law. Relating to the rights of private individuals and legal proceedings concerning these rights as distinguished from criminal, military, or international regulations or proceedings.

Telling people what they can say or write or print is not libertarian, civil or otherwise. Perhaps you are using definition 5 of civil when you say you are a civil libertarian? Of course your statement violates any definition of libertarian.

[L. Brent Bozell]

I agree with Jersey McJones.

In fact, I want my children to be protected from obscenity.

Like last week, when I turned on HBO when they were in the room, and I was offended that my children were exposed to an episode of Deadwood.

There oughtta be a law.

[Jennifer]

Oh, yeah, Jen, somewhere today he noted that he's been banned from hannity and "every other conservative blog" and is proud of it.

Well, I guess he needs something to be proud of. But I'm still curious to know why he even bothers coming here, if he thinks the will of the majority is so all-fired important.

[L. Brent Bozell]

I agree with Jersey McJones.

In fact, I want my children to be protected from obscenity.

Like last week, when I turned on HBO when they were in the room, and I was offended that my children were exposed to an episode of Deadwood.

There oughtta be a law.

[Jersey McJones]

Jennifer,

I'm not a majoritarian. I think pre-sentient fetal abortion should be legal and universally available, I think that the drug laws are barbaric, I think that rights are not democractically decided. BUT - I don't think you should be able to smoke pot in front of a nursery school, or that elective abortion should be a right up through the ninth month. You have to draw a line and the line here is clear because you are using the PUBLIC ROADS.

What the fuck is so tough about this for you guys?

I simply believe that civil society must have some rules of behavior in the public square. Heck, I don't think the fine should be more than a, "Excuse me sir, but would you please remove that low brow shit from your rear bumper?"

JMJ

[Jennifer]

I'm not a majoritarian. I think pre-sentient fetal abortion should be legal and universally available, I think that the drug laws are barbaric, I think that rights are not democractically decided. BUT - I don't think you should be able to smoke pot in front of a nursery school, or that elective abortion should be a right up through the ninth month. You have to draw a line and the line here is clear because you are using the PUBLIC ROADS. What the fuck is so tough about this for you guys?

I can't speak for the other guys, but I personally am having a tough time seeing how rude bumper stickers are the equivalent to aborting a baby the day before going into labor, or getting toddlers hooked on drugs.

[Jennifer]

I'm not a majoritarian. I think pre-sentient fetal abortion should be legal and universally available, I think that the drug laws are barbaric, I think that rights are not democractically decided. BUT - I don't think you should be able to smoke pot in front of a nursery school, or that elective abortion should be a right up through the ninth month. You have to draw a line and the line here is clear because you are using the PUBLIC ROADS. What the fuck is so tough about this for you guys?

I can't speak for the other guys, but I personally am having a tough time seeing how rude bumper stickers are the equivalent to aborting a baby the day before going into labor, or getting toddlers hooked on drugs.

[Jennifer]

I'm not a majoritarian. I think pre-sentient fetal abortion should be legal and universally available, I think that the drug laws are barbaric, I think that rights are not democractically decided. BUT - I don't think you should be able to smoke pot in front of a nursery school, or that elective abortion should be a right up through the ninth month. You have to draw a line and the line here is clear because you are using the PUBLIC ROADS. What the fuck is so tough about this for you guys?

I can't speak for the other guys, but I personally am having a tough time seeing how rude bumper stickers are the equivalent to aborting a baby the day before going into labor, or getting toddlers hooked on drugs.

[David]

What the fuck is so tough about this for you guys?

Maybe it's the idea that the public forum shouldn't be dominated by the sensibilities of most sensitive members of the public.

One thing I don't think has been addressed yet, how can a cop enforce a statute that was invalidated by the SCOTUS? Because he's a cop and he said so?

[James Feldman]

JMJ: The problem is with the nature of the rules of behavior in the public square. The bumper sticker doesn't hurt anyone. At worst, it would make an individual have to explain (honestly or falsely) to a minor what the bumper sticker meant.

Ninth month abortion, smoking pot in front of a school, at least these things have some possibility of actual harm to another person. Laws about bumper stickers are just about your sensibilities, and I'll be fucked before I suggest that there is room for your sensibilities in the law.

[happyjuggler0]

Sure it's a health hazard. People see sticker. People get distracted by obscenity. People crash cars. What's not to get?

Women with killer smiles or C cups should not be allowed to have driver's licenses either by that standard.

You have to draw a line and the line here is clear because you are using the PUBLIC ROADS

I have a question for you. If the first amendment does not protect you in the public sphere, then where does it protect you? You don't have first amendment rights in my home, and if you don't have them in public, then the 1st amendment is irrelevant. Is that what you are saying?

[Jennifer]

Jersey, if you're so worried about the bad effects of obscenity and profanity on the republic, maybe you should stop using "fuck" and "shit" so often when you post. There might be kids reading this, you know.

[mediageek]

So, Jersey, it's ok to suspend some civil rights if it's on public property and the majority agrees?

[Jennifer]

Jersey, if you're so worried about the bad effects of obscenity and profanity on the republic, maybe you should stop using "fuck" and "shit" so often when you post. There might be kids reading this, you know.

[carlin's mojo]

Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits.

Just wanted to bring it all back down to the basics. Statutes and civil codes banning the display, broadcast or live speech of any word(s) (offensive, indecent [by community standards] or other) would equate to prior restraint of speech which IS a direct violation of the 1st amendment.

Such usage can be discouraged; however, a direct ban is unconstitutional.

[mediageek]

"Jersey, if you're so worried about the bad effects of obscenity and profanity on the republic, maybe you should stop using "fuck" and "shit" so often when you post. There might be kids reading this, you know."

In the parlance of twitchy online gamers:

PWNED

[Abraham Lincoln]

"No man is good enough to govern another man, without that other's consent."

[Akira MacKenzie]

I'm not a majoritarian.

I simply believe that civil society must have some rules of behavior in the public square.

And who the fuck get's to decide what is and what isn't "civil" in your society? How get's to make the determination on what is and isn't "obscene" or "vulgar?" In a democratic society, that tends to be the majority (or, in a representative democracy, a majority by proxy). If that's not majoritarian, I don't know what is.

Unless you think that one person or a tiny group of "the right people" should be the ones to censor us, which is just as bad in my book as having mob-driven censorship.

[Akira MacKenzie]

Edit: Who gets...

[anon2]

Should a state be allowed to ban bumperstickers that have a picture of a man sucking a dick on them?

[MP]

Should a state be allowed to ban bumperstickers that have a picture of a man sucking a dick on them?

Are they? Yes.
Should they? No.

[SteveInClearwater]

I like my bumper sticker on my pickup truck aimed at both the public and any trailing police cars - COPS SAY, LEGALIZE DRUGS - with the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition website right below http://www.leap.cc/tbay

Also have one that says, SAVE THE CHILDREN - LEGALIZE DRUGS

If you would like one, drop me a note

heath at leap.cc

[SteveInClearwater]

What about bumperstickers that have Calvin using his dick to pee onto a Chevy/Ford/Dodge/competitor truck model logo?

Oh wait, those are Tailgate stickers, not bumper stickers...nm

[Akira MacKenzie]

Should a state be allowed to ban bumperstickers that have a picture of a man sucking a dick on them?

Anon2, I think that XXX gay porn should allowed on broadcast TV during the "family hour." What do you think my answer would be?

[Mad Scientist]

Jersey, I notice you've moved from trampling on the 2nd amendment to trampling on the 1st today. Why don't you go back to yesterdays thread? I'd love to read your answers to some of the actual statistics that were posted after you bailed.

[Julian Sanchez]

I haven't waded through to see if anyone else has brought this up, but just in case there's a question: Printed profanity in a public place as part of a political message is unambiguously protected speech: The Supreme Court settled that question three decades ago in a case involving someone wearing a "Fuck the Draft" T-shirt in a public courthouse (which we all pay taxes for, etc.). There is no serious legal debate to be had on this question: Bumper stickers like these are clearly and unquestionably covered by the First Amendment.

[mediageek]

Mad Scientist, Jersey has no need for your puny mortal statistics!

He makes his own reality!

[Akira MacKenzie]

Julian:

Tell that to Jersey. After all, he's the one who tell us that profanity is a "health hazard."

Mad Scientist:

Jersey, I notice you've moved from trampling on the 2nd amendment to trampling on the 1st today.

I'll give Jersey this much, whether it's economics, guns, or free speech, he's shown to be a consistent totalitarian thug.

[Kwix]

Okay, I am here late as usual so hopefully nobody will mind this one.

JMJ,
I'm only saying that "sucks dick" on a bumper sticker is (what's the word for this again? - something to do with deficating...) bad. Heck, one could jjust make a list of ten words or so and be done with this.

Well then, please pick out the 10 words/phrases you would prefer to be banned and let's be done with this.

Male Genitals
---------------

aaron's rod arm
baby-maker beef
blue vein meatroll bald-headed butler
bald-headed mouse belly buster
bathtub eel bearded blood sausage
bird bone
baloney banana
bat bayonet
bean tosser beef
belly ruffian blade
broomstick bum tickler
bush beater button-hole worker
cock candle
carrot club
crack haunter cranny hunter
cracksman creamstick
culty gun carnal stump
chicken child-getter
chink-stopper corey
crook dick
dork dong
doniker dingus
dipstick dagger
dart of love dearest member
dickey ding-dong
dinger dingle-dangle
dummy dodaddy
dolly dooflicker
down-leg dragon
eel end
family organ fiddle bow
fish fishing rod
flapper fool-sticker
forefinger fucker
foreman gun
gut wrench giggle stick
gadget gardener
giggling pin gooser
gravy maker grinding tool
gristle gut stick
hair splitter hambone
hammer hanging johnny
hoe handle holy poker
horn hose
hot rod heat-seeking moisture missle
hairy hot dog jack in the box
jemson jerking iron
jigger jing hang
jockam johnnie
johhny one-eye the bald-headed champ
johnson joint
joy knob joy prong
joy stick key
kidney cracker kielbasa
king member knob
knocker ladies' delight
ladies' lollipop ladies' treasure
lamp of life lance
life preserver little brother
little willie liver turner
live sausage lizard
lob lobcock
lobster lollypop
long john love dart
love gun love missile
lucy lung disturber
mad mick magic wand
man-root marrow bone
master john thursday master of ceremonies
meat meat hook
meat whistle member
merry maker middle leg
milkman mister goodwrench
mister tom mouse
muscle mutton dagger
my body's captain natural scythe
needle nimrod
nippy noodle
noony old blind rob
one-eyed night crawler in the turtle neck sweater
one-eyed milkman one-eyed trouser trout
one-eyed wonder worm pant muscle
pecker pee-pee
pen pencil
pendulum perch
peter piccolo
pike staff pile driver
pin pink pencil
pipe pisser
pistol plugtail
pocket piccolo pocket rocket
pointer poker
pole pork
pork sword post
prick pride and joy
prong pud
pudding pump handle
purple-helmeted warrior of love
pup putz
quickening peg quimstake
ram ramrod
rawmeat reamer
redcap rod
rod of love rolling pin
root rudder
rupert russell the wonder muscle
st. peter salami
sausage sceptre
schlong sexing piece
shaft shmock
short arm shove devil
shvontz silent flute
skin flute snake
spigot spike-faggot
spindle split-rump
spout staff
steaming hot kanga stem
stick sting
stump sugar stick
sword tail pin
tally-whacker tassel
tent-peg thing
third leg thistler
throbber throbbing python of love
tickle-gizzard tickler
tong tool
torch of cupid toy
trap-stick trouser anaconda
tube steak uncle dick
vomiting cobra wand
wang wazoo
weapon wedge
wheenie wacker
whip whistle
whore-pipe wick
willie winkle
wire worm
yang yard
yosh zubrick

Well-Endowed (male)
--------------------

Basket for days donkey-rigged
double-shung hung like a bull
miracle meat timbered
tons of basket tons of meat
well-favored by nature well hung
yard

Semen
-------

baby food baby juice
bull gravy buttermilk
chism come
cream crud
cum duck butter
fetch glue
gravy hockey
honey hot milk
jam jazz
jelly jism
jizz juice
letch water load
love liquor man oil
marrow mettle
milk oil of man
ointment oyster
prick juice pudding
scum seed
slime soap
spendings sperm
spew spratz
spume spunk
starch stuff
tail juice tail water
tallow wad
white blow white honey

Semen Related
---------------

pearl necklace pecker tracks
wet dream

Ejaculate
-----------

big bang bust your nuts
come come off
cream cum
die in a woman's lap drop your load
fire a shot get off
get the dirty water off your chest
get wet get your cookies
get your jollies get your rocks off
go off number three
pop a nut shoot
shoot off shoot your wad
spend squirt

Testicals
-----------

ballocks balls
bangers beecham's pills
bird's eggs boo-boos
charlies cherries
chestnuts clangers
cojones cubes
danglers eggs
family jewels glands
goolies jewels
kanakas love apples
marbles marshmallows
nards nuts
onions plums
pounders rocks
seeds slashers
spunk holders squirrel
food stones
swingers

Scrotum
---------

ball bag hairy bag
poke sack

Crab Lice
-----------

active citizens crabs
crotch crickets gentlemen's companions
neighbors to the south pants rabbits
seam squirrels

Syphllis
----------

coachman on the box french gout
irish mutton ladies' fever
lifelong friend neapoliton bone ache
old joe siff
spanish needle the old dog

Gonorrhea
-----------

buner clap
dose gleet
glim haircut
lues lulu
morning drop piss pins and needles
piss pure cream stank cock
strain tear

Female Genitals
-----------------

ace of spades adam's cave
altar of love bearded clam
beaver belly entrance
black bess bluebeard's closet
box brown madam
bull's eye bunny
bush button hole
cabbage patch canal
candle holder cat's meat
cave of harmony cavern
cellar door chocha
cleft clutch
cockpit cookie
coot cooch
cooze coupler
crack cranny
crease crevice
crotch crumpet
cunny cunny
cunt dimple
divine scar donut
drain eel-skinner
fish tank fort bushy
front window fur
furbox furburger
furrow gap
gaper gash
gate of heaven ginch
ginny girl-street
goat-milker gravy-maker
gully-hole hair
haircourt hair pie
happy valley harbour of hope
hatch hog eye
hole honey-hive
honey-pot horse collar
hot box hot spot
house under the hill irish fortune
itching jenny jack nasty-face
jaxy jelly-role
juice box keyhole
lady jane lamp of love
lapland lather-maker
little mary locker
long-eye love tunnel
lower lips magpie's nest
main vein manhole
mark of the beast meat
meat grinder mom's homemade slit pie
mound mount pleasant
mouse mouth-that-cannot-bite
muff naf
nature's tufted treasure nest
niche nook
nooky notch
oat-bin old mossyface
organ grinder oven
oyster catcher patch
pelt penwiper
pie piece
pin cushion pipe cleaner
piss flaps pit
playpen pocker
poke hole poontang
poor man's blessing prick purse
pussy quiff
quim quiver
rose screw-hole
slash slit
slot snapper
snappin' pussy snatch
snatch-box stank
steam room stuff
socket sportsman's gap
sugar basin tail
temple of low men tool-chest
toy shop treasure chest
trench triangle
trim tube
tuna taca tunnel
tunnel of love twat
tweeze twitcher
vag valley
venus highway vertical smile
wet cave of lust wooly-burger
works yawnie
yum-yum

Female Genitals (related)
---------------------------

boy-in-the-boa Female Genitals (related)
---------------------------

boy-in-the-boa Female Genitals (related)
---------------------------

boy-in-the-boa Female Genitals (related)
---------------------------

boy-in-the-boat bush
button cherry
clamp clit
clitty cleopatra
lady's low toupee lather
letch-water love juice
man-in-the-canoe merkin
mugget pussy fart
vaginal blood fart

Breasts
---------

apples balcony
balloons bangers
bazongas bean bags
big brown eyes bon-bons
boobies boobs
bottles boulders
bullets busters
bumpers butterbags
cantelopes gazongas
glands globes
grapefruits guavas
handful hand-warmers
headers headlights
hills honkers
hooters howitizers
jaboos jibs
jugs jumbos
kazongas knobs
knockers lactoids
loaves loblollies
love bubbles love muffins
lulus lungs
mammets mams
mangoes meatballs
meat loaves melons
milk cans milkshop
mounds mount of lillies
mountains muffins
mulligans murphies
nancies nature's fonts
niblets ninnies
nippers nodules
noogies nubbies
nuts oranges
orbs ottomans
pair nuts oranges
orbs ottomans
pair palookas
papayas paps
peaches peaks
pears pects
peepers pillows
pips pokers
pontoons potatoes
pumpkins pumps
rib cushions roundies
sandbags scones
scoops set
shakers shimmies
skin sacks snuggle pups
spheres spuds
stacks stuffing
sweater meat sweet rools
swingers tamales
tetons tidbits
tits titters
titties tomatoes
tooters torpedoes
twangers twin peaks
twofers umlauts
upper deck waldos
warheads warts
watermelons whoppers
wobblers wongas
yabbos yams
zeppelins

Menstruation
--------------

aunt flo aunt rosie is in town
all's not quiet on the waterfront
blood week collywobbles
curse of eve drip
entertain the general fall off the roof
flying the flag having the painters in
high tide holy week
jinx little sister is here
monthlies my buddy
my friend on the bun
on the pole on the rag
period problem
ragging ragtime
red flag red sails in the sunset
riding the cotton bicycle riding the cotton pony
road up for repairs sick
stop sign tail flowers
that time that way
the captain is at home the curse
the foe the hammock is swinging
the plague the thing
the visitor turns
wearing the bulky roll woman's home companion

Sanitary Napkin
-----------------

bandage clout
cuntrag fanny rag
flag granny rag
manhole cover mouth mattress
muck rag pleasure garden padlock
rag red flag
window blinds

Pregnant
----------

about-to-find-pups apron up
baby-bound bagged
belly up big with child
broken-kneed clucky
cocked-up coming fresh
delicate condition double-ribbed
fragrant full of heir
gone to seed have a dumpling
have one in the oven have one's cargo aboard
in a family way in pod
in the pudding club in trouble
knocked up loaded
looking piggy on the bones
P.G. pillowed
preggers preggy
shot in the giblets storked
stung by a serpent swallowed a watermelon seed
up and coming up the stick
wedged up with squirrel

Fornication
-------------

a bit of jam action
ball ballock
boloney ride bananas and cream
bang basket making
batter beef
beef injection be in a woman's beef
belly ride belt
blanket drill blow off the loose corns
board boff
bone bore
bottle bounce
bump bump fur
bunny stick burry one's wick
bury the bone bush patrol
buzz the brillo cane
change one's luck charge
chuck a tread climb
cock up come across
couple with cover
crack it cram
crawl cream
cut dance the mattress jig
daub of the brush dick
dicky dunk diddle
dig your stinger in the honey dip your stick
dip your wick dirty work at the crossroads
do do a dive in the dark
do a flop do a push
do a slide up the board dog
do it do the deed
do the nasty ease nature
exchange spit feather-bed jig
feed the dummy fiddle
firk fit end to end
fix her plumbing flesh session
flop flop in the hay
four-legged frolic frig
fuck fun and games
get a bit get a chunk
get a crumpet get a hunk
get a little get a piece
get a snipper get a wet one
get home get in
get into her pants get into some serious flesh
get it on get jack in the orchard
get laid get lucky
get one's ashes hauled get one's greens
get one's leather stretched get one's noodle wet
get one's oil changed get some
get some action get some ass
get some crack get some hair
get some hole get some pussy
get some stuff get some tail
get some tweeze get your bean waxed
get your pole varnished give her a stab
go all the way go like a belt-fed motor
go to bed with go to it
go to town go vaulting
grease the wheel grind
grind on'e tool hanky-panky
have have a bit
have a bit of giblet pie have a bit of summer cabbage
have a blow through have sex with
hide the ferret hide the salami
hit on the tail hock
hop on horizontal refreshment
hose hot roll with cream
hump impale
introduce charlie invade
irish whist jazz
jink job
join paunches jounce
joy ride jug
juke jump
jump on one's bones knock
knock off a piece know
ladies' tailoring lay
lay off with lay some pipe
lay the hip lay some leg
leap leap on
lie lie with
lob in love
make make feet for childrens shoes
make it make love
make out with make the scene
making babies makin' whoopie
mate mess around
mingle limbs mix one's peanut butter
mount mugg
muss nail
mail two bellies together nick
nib nig
nub nut
oblige off
park your yacht in the hair harbor
peel one's best end peg
perform pestle
piece piece of ass
piece of pussy piece of snatch
piece of tail pile
pile-driving pin
plant the oats play at all fours
play hide the bone plow
pluck plug
pocket the red poke
pole pole work
polish your rocket pop
pork post a letter
pound pump
punch push
put the boots to put the tool in the shed
quimsticking ram
ride rip off
rites of venus roasting the broomstick
roll roll in the hay
rock rod
roger romp
root rootle
roust rub bacons
rub up rumble
rumple rutting
salt saw off a chunk
score screw
scutz around secret services
service shack up
crew
scutz around secret services
service shack up
shaft shag
shake shake the sheets
shoot between wind and water shoot one's wad
short arm practice shove
shtup sink the sausage
sink the soldier slam
sleep with slip her a length
slip into split
spoil suattin' on the hog
squat jumps in the cucumber patch
squeeze and a squirt stab
stable my naggie strop one's beak
strum stuff
swing tail-work
take a turn in the stubble take a turn on shooter's hill
tear off a piece tear the sheets
the disappearing cane trick the matrimonial polka
thread thread the needle
throw a hump throw a leg over
throw a shot thump
tie the true lover's knot tiff
tip the long one to be intimate
tooling in the woods tops and bottoms
trim trim the buff
trip up the rhine tumble
tumple turn up
twiddle varnish one's cane
vault vitamin F
wap wham
what mother did before me wind the clock
womanize work
work out work the dumb oracle
work the hairy oracle yard
yentz

Sexual Arousal (both sexes)
-----------------------------

blotty brimming
bulging cockish
dripping for it feeling hairy
frisky fuckish
gamy hairy
horny hot
hot-assed hot and bothered
hot nuts hot pants
humpy in the mood
in season itchy pants
juiced up juicy
lathered moist
motor running on for one's greens
oncoming pruning
ramish randy
ready rooty
ruttish sexed up
tumbling ripe turned on
up wet

Sexually Fixated
------------------

cock-happy cunny haunted
cunt-struck

Testaglia
-----------

blue balls hot rocks
love nuts lover's nuts
stone ache

Condom
--------

balloon cheater
close combat sock diving suit
drop catcher eel skin
fear-not french letter
gasket joybag
one-piece overcoat pipe pullover
port said garter raincoat
rubber rubber glove
safe scumbag
sheath showercap
tail sheath

Erection
----------

bone boner
bone on burgeoning truncheon
captain standfish flagpole
hard hard-on
horn in one's best clothes
irish toothache mean-on
morning pride old hornington
on the stand pants pusher
piss hard piss proud
prod proud below the navel
proud mary rail
riser rise in the levi's
rod-on rock python
spike stalk
standing ware stand-up
stiff stiffer
steely dan sporting a sequoiya
throbber woody

Illegitimate Child
--------------------

accident adulterine
babe of love bachelor's son
bar steward bastard
born out of wedlock bush colt
bye-blow catch colt
chance-born chance child
hasty pudding love child
merry-begotton child misbegotten
momzer natural
nephew niece
out-child side wind
single child son of a bitch
squeaker stall whimper
whoreson yard child

[anon2]

Akira,

I have no problem with gay porn on broadcast TV. Don't want to watch it? Change the channel. Don't want your kids to watch it? Don't let them.

However, if I were the owner of a road and I wanted to maximize my profits, I'd likely have rules that would prohibit some displays. What would those rules be? I don't know-my mores are sufficiently incongruent to my fellow countryman's (especially considering the state I live in) that I'd have to consult and/or conduct polls and other marketing research to figure out where to draw the line.

The populace is squeamish about sex. "Bush sucks" is a colloquialism that has largely come (heh) to have no sexual content. "Bush sucks Dick." is significantly different in most people's eyes. I'd bet money that if you MRI'd average people and showed them those two different sentences that different parts of their brains would fire while reading each.

Allowing the states to decide their own rules for their own roads is a compromise.

Julian,

There may be other supreme court cases where the political aspect has been allowed to trump the obscenity aspect, but the "Fuck the Draft" case (Cohen v. California) is not one. This is from the majority opinion, with emphasis added:

In the second place, as it comes to us, this case cannot be said to fall within those relatively few categories of [403 U.S. 15, 20] instances where prior decisions have established the power of government to deal more comprehensively with certain forms of individual expression simply upon a showing that such a form was employed. This is not, for example, an obscenity case. Whatever else may be necessary to give rise to the States' broader power to prohibit obscene expression, such expression must be, in some significant way, erotic. Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957). It cannot plausibly be maintained that this vulgar allusion to the Selective Service System would conjure up such psychic stimulation in anyone likely to be confronted with Cohen's crudely defaced jacket.

[Kwix]

That having been said,
there ought to be a law requiring a bumper sticker that reads,"Bush Sucks Dick Cheney's Motherfucking One-Eyed Trouser Snake".

Support Cannibalism, Eat Me.

[dead_elvis]

Thanks Kwix! Screw reader's digest, I'm enriching my vocabulary with *fun* words

- they are public roads, there have to be standards. Do you want your kids to see cuss words and sex acts as you drive them to soccor practice?

Actually, it's the opposite- I'm much more worried about my parents. I still remember, when I was in the third grade, a feeling of panicked embarrassment when the whole family was in the car, and upon seeing some grafitti on a wall my grandmother piped up "Ed... is... Dickless... What does that mean?"

[Akira MacKenzie]

However, if I were the owner of a road and I wanted to maximize my profits, I'd likely have rules that would prohibit some displays.

Ahhhh... but these aren't your roads. They are the government's

Allowing the states to decide their own rules for their own roads is a compromise.

No, it would be a violation of the First Amendment, and according to the Fourteenth Amendment, you can't use "state's rights" bullshit to wiggle out of it.

Besides, the last thing we should ever allow is a "compromise" on our rights.

[Adriana]

Where can I pick one of those bumper stickers for my car?

I know several people who will want theirs, too.

[Frank_A]

JMJ, tell me something, my mother still forbids me to use the word sucks in her presence because she still believes in it's original meaning alluding to oral sex, what then if she gets to regulate obsecnity? Oh, that's right, she and people like her don't exist and will never create obscenity laws because your limited means of imagination locks you in a permanent mode of dumbassery.
Sorry 🙁

[Frank_A]

And another thing "Woman-Killer", you applaud Hugo Chavez's caudilloing of Venezuala, you want further restrictions ON THE FRICKIN' BILL OF RIGHTS!!! and yet you can still smugly claim you are a civil libertarian...you know this reminds me of how Benito Mussolini claimed to be "The only libertarian"...
Well, of course I'm not comparing "Woman-Killer" to Mussolini (I mean that would require an ability to comprehend logic), but I think a man of your intellegnce would be quite happy in in a preppy, black millitary-style uniform, and detering those vile anarchists from the deviancies of "Littering The Streets With Malicious Intent" or "3rd Degree Rudeness" or the dreaded "Disrespecting the Leader"
And I'm sure that everyone would pat you on your head for your very, very good job and then give you some candy 🙂

[eb]

Just wondering, is it OK for me to put a bumpersticker on my car that says "John Kerry is a Motherfucking Cocksucker"?

Just wondering where the line might be.

[Jersey McJones]

I'd like to post further, but apparently I'm on some kind of probation for being abusive. Ironic that this would be the case on a "libertarian" site.

I guess you guys don't care to stand up for what you believe in.

JMJ

[Steven Crane]

You trade in ad hominems, man.

I may be a libertarian, but boy howdy do I get cheesed off when people track mud across my floor.

dig?

[Jersey McJones]

What ad hominem attacks? No, I don't dig.

JMJ

[Mark]

Jersey,

Here's what to do. Everytime you see someone with an offensive sticker on their car, drive up right alondside them, flick them the bird and scream 'hey DICKWEED,you're an ASSHOLE!'

That way, you get it out your system and you don't think up ideas of legislating against vulgarity.

[Jersey McJones]

Mark, your's is a world I would rather not live in. And that's the whole point here. It also gets to the "health" matter I brought up earlier. The last thing we need is more distraction for drivers. We can't stop people from doig most things, but at least we can assert a few simple rules for driving on the PUBLIC ROADS.

JMJ

[Mark]

Well, basically, tough luck.

Personally, I'd rather boy bands, communists, rabid feminists, humourless novelists, greenpeace activists, tabloid jounalists, welfare dodgers, precocious children and cats all disappeared tomorrow.

But their rights are exactly equal to mine and as long as they put up with me, I'll return the compliment.

And the health argument is surely a bit nanny state?

Anyway, if you don't want to live in a world like that, move to Switzerland! It's clean, polite, opinionless and boring.

[Jersey McJones]

Mark,

It ain't tough luck for me. The laws of the land are on my side on this one.

As for your comment about cats - hope you like vermin! Because that's a world without cats would get you. Just ask medieval Europe!

(If I had the dough, I'd move to Switzerland tomorrow...)

JMJ

[Mark]

Nope,

You'll lose this one. I think it's a case of perhaps winning a battle but the war etcetc.

Would you sanction the 'Bush sucks Cheney' sticker, if, at a later date, it transpired that the president and his deputy had actually been pleasuring one another? So then it wpuld be a matter of fact.

Would you let me have the sticker on my car then? or would it have to be more journalistic and therefore less offensive i.e 'Bush orally satisfies Cheney but both say it is not simply physical but spiritual/emotional'.

Not as catchy but more honest?

[Evan]

"I'd like to post further, but apparently I'm on some kind of probation for being abusive. Ironic that this would be the case on a "libertarian" site. I guess you guys don't care to stand up for what you believe in."

A) Don't mistake their shitty gerbil-powered comment server for "probation". You've got to do alot worse than what you've done (run afoul of logic and reason) to get booted from this joint.

B) You seem to be posting okay, so, my point was spot-on.

C) Even if you were banned or put on probation, it would still be consistent with the principles of libertarianism. The Bill of Rights prohibits the government from abridging your right to free speech. But that doesn't mean you can come onto private property and do whatever you want. Since it's my property, I can kick you out if I want.

D) Jersey, I think you could benefit from a crash-course in what a constitutional republic really is: for your own good, and the good of everyone who has to deal with you, please read this!

[Jersey McJones]

Evan, I'm pretty fluent on the constitution.

I lost a post because of some starnge probationary warning I got this morning but the problem has appeared to go away. That's refreshing!

Mark,

That's pretty vulgar. I don't know what to say about it, other than I'd have such crap removed at car inspections in order to pass. (Now that's an idea!)

JMJ

[Jennifer]

Concerning the "public safety" argument--anyone who would actually have an accident because they saw a naughty bumper sticker is too mentally unstable to be trusted with a driver's licence. I shudder to think of how many would die if such a bluenose saw another driver flipping them the bird.

I'd have such crap removed at car inspections in order to pass. (Now that's an idea!)

Yes, a bad idea--"cars will not be allowed on the roads if any of them offend the delicate sensibilities of Jersey 'fuck this lowbrow shit' McJones."

[Evan]

Jersey,

While you may be "fluent", you've demonstrated, time and time again, your inability to actually understand it.

Which is why I posted the link to "democracies and republics for dummies" link, hoping that maybe you'd be able to understand that. If you choose to not read it, then that's your loss, because it explains many concepts upon which our country was founded, but which you (and many other populist-liberals) cannot or refuse to understand.

My favorite quote:

"In a democracy, two wolves and a sheep take a majority vote on what's for supper, whereas in a republic, the wolves are forbidden on voting on what's for supper and the sheep are well armed."

In Jersey's world, the majority gets to force its preferences upon others. In a constitutional republic (that's what our country is supposed to be), you cannot use the law to universally enforce your preferences.

[Jersey McJones]

This is like a wierd bizzarro universe... Conservatives say that I trample on majority will and you guys call me a majoritarian!!! Wierd.

JMJ

[Jersey McJones]

Evan,

Please just say what exactly you think I don't understand. Don't just make silly hyperbolic sweeping statements like that. It doesn't make you look any brighter.

JMJ

[Mark]

It doesn't make you look any brighter.

Brilliant. It's like when your mum tells you off for showing off.

NNNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[mediageek]

"Anyway, if you don't want to live in a world like that, move to Switzerland! It's clean, polite, opinionless and boring."

He couldn't stand to live in Switzerland, either.

They're all armed to the teeth.

[mediageek]

Also, evidently Jersey missed the bit where Julian pointed out that the Supreme Court has ruled that using dirty words to make a political point is indeed protected speech.

But then again, Jersey doesn't seem to understand that there are these things called "facts" and that if "facts" run contradictory to one's statements then those statements become invalidated.

[Mark]

Jersey's taking a bit of a drubbing here. I admire his polite refusal to give in, even if I don't agree with him.

And I feel like I have sold Switzerland short. It does have good chocolate and skiing. Both positives.

[anon2]

JMJ,

I understood your examples that show you're not a majoritarian. I also understand that you're making the distinction between "Bush Sucks. Dick Cheney too." and "Bush Sucks Dick. Cheney too." It's not clear that the laws of the land are on your side, but they may be, as the conclusion from this article on the first amendment as it applies to bumper stickers states:

Conclusion

Citizens have a right to express themselves in a variety of ways. Bumper stickers represent a popular, inexpensive and sometimes humorous way to express viewpoints on an endless range of subjects. But as the cases mentioned above demonstrate, bumper stickers with profanity will occasionally lead to a citation or arrest. Profanity may be a form of protected speech but it often raises the ire of government officials. The First Amendment provides a great deal of protection for offensive speech and it is unlikely that most bumper-sticker citations, at least as applied to private citizens, would withstand a constitutional challenge. However, the federal courts have painted a much cloudier picture with respect to public employees and bumper stickers.

I personally don't doubt that the Supreme Court would allow state laws that ban bumper stickers that have a picture of anyone (male, female, President, intern, etc.) sucking dick on them. Whether mere words, especially political ones in the context of a double-entendre, would be ruled by the supremes as obscenity and thus regulable has more to do with which judges hear the case and what they want the outcome to be than on any other factors.

It's possible that the article you posted had more than one link in it. That's a known issue with the filter, and if that's what got your post, it does so regardless (as far as I know) to the author. Were that filter not in place, I'd provide some links mentioning Mishkin, since this thread and the article I've linked to mention Miller and Miller without Mishkin can be very misleading, especially as it relates to Bush sucking dick/Dick.

Mediageek,

I quoted from the Supreme Court's majority opinion in Cohen. That case was not about obscenity, so it doesn't apply to an argument that "Bush sucks Dick" is obscene. Miller and Mishkin are more imporant there. Julian erred; you can check it yourself. As both JMJ and I have pointed out, there is a difference (and I'm even willing to bet money that MRIs would show it) between "Bush Sucks" and "Bush Sucks Dick."

[P Brooks]

There's a dark, smoky, NOISY little bar in Gillette, Wyoming with bumper stickers plastered all over everyplace. MY favorite: "FUCK THE GOVERNMENT"

And the best part is- you don't have to worry about bumping into Jersey McNanny in there.

[mediageek]

Why, if he were to be exposed to such harsh language, he just might faint dead away.

[Jersey McJones]

Geek,

"Also, evidently Jersey missed the bit where Julian pointed out that the Supreme Court has ruled that using dirty words to make a political point is indeed protected speech."

The court ruled that you could use dirty words in a whole variety of ways - but not plastered on your car driving down a PUBLIC ROAD. (Facts? Please...)

Anon,

Thanks.

P Brooks,

"There's a dark, smoky, NOISY little bar in Gillette, Wyoming with bumper stickers plastered all over everyplace. MY favorite: "FUCK THE GOVERNMENT"

And the best part is- you don't have to worry about bumping into Jersey McNanny in there."

No, but thank you, Wyoming, for Dick Cheney and for taking way more tax dollars from me in New Jersey then we ever get back.

Yeah, you Wyomingers "fuck the government" alright - fuck it for all the pork it's worth.

JMJ

[mediageek]

Jersey, stop using such awful, harsh language!

There might be children reading this!

[mediageek]

"No, but thank you, Wyoming, for Dick Cheney and for taking way more tax dollars from me in New Jersey then we ever get back."

Totally beside the point.

[Jersey McJones]

Besides the point! What the hell are you talking about? P Brooks brags that "McNanny" wouldn't be found in a bar in Wyoming while Wyoming is among the worst Nanny States around!

Jeez man - c'mon! Get with the show!

JMJ

[mediageek]

Honestly, do I even need to paint a picture for you?

The point was that there's a bar with a naughty bumper sticker on the wall. Something that would cause your virgin eyes to burn.

Nevermind that you continue to swear in an onstensibly public venue, but then again, raging hypocrisy is a hallmark of liberty-hating statists like you.

[Frank_A]

You know, I think Jersey McJones could solve this nasty problem of our false consciousness if only Hugo Chavez ruled the US...

Ah yes, in the mystical land of Venezuala, Hugo Chavez would silence this facile discussion because it only helps those capitalistic fat cats who exploit the vulgarities of the masses.
And not only that, it dilutes the revolutionary discoures on how best to use the Venezulan oil revenue to prop up Fidel Castro, because those concentration camps for homos can't run themselves.
And let's not forget this would automatically help civil liberites!

FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE AND THE BOLIVARAN REVOLUTION! VIVA!

BTW, JMJ would do you think of my mother and her reaction to sucks, and careful what you say about my mother, you don't want to get banned do you? 🙂

[Jersey McJones]

Frank,

I don't like the low brow culture any more than anyone else. You can't ban everything. But a modicum of common sense should suffice. I'm sure your dear mommy wouldn't prefer some of the other words we've been bandying about here any more than "sucks."

JMJ

[mediageek]

"I don't like the low brow culture any more than anyone else."

Yet you make liberal use of all sorts of language that people find offensive.

I'm changing my vote, you can't possibly be serious. Someone be funnin' on us.

[P Brooks]

I don't know quite what to say- that was spleen-diferous

All I meant was that Mr McNanny strikes me as the sort of person who would never voluntarily expose himself (OR OTHERS) to the sort of hazards present in that little dark and noisy room.

I never saw Cheney there. But there was some old guy passed out on a table in the back.

[Frank_A]

I don't like the low brow culture any more than anyone else

And yet you act as if YOUR common sense is the same as other people's common sense, that the mores of today will be the mores of tomorrow, and that THE LAW needs to be involved in regulating rudeness. Why get the cops involved when a simple social shunning will do or a needed slap in tha face by a righteous matron?
"Why because of the CHILDREN of course!" JMJ shouted (rolls eyes in frustration)

This is why people despise your ingnorant prudishness, JMJ, because you assume that incarnating our social morals into law will somehow make our society more pleasant, when in fact those same boundaries are used by the police/state to silence valid criticism of government/society. Today's happy society is tomorrow's legitimacy to stop the publication of "rude" materials. I guess in the cause of rudeness we should also ban the Marquis de Sade or Henry Miller for any child could easily walk into a PUBLIC, PUBLIC I SAID!!!, library and read 'till their hearts content of sex! sex! sex!

I would love to see how the lawyers who hear your arguements on crafting law around "common sense" just crack at the seams from laughter

As for Hit n' Run and our collective...brusqueness, well we hear know what we're getting into, and truthfully I wouldn't be using the same language here that I would use in front of my mother or in public in general on account of respecting their boundaries.

Can't say the same thing about you, JMJ. You seem to think that your shitting all over this forum serves some "lesson" that all of us loonatrians have somehow failed to learn...

[Eric the .5b]

I'm changing my vote, you can't possibly be serious. Someone be funnin' on us.

Duh.

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