Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton in 2016? I'm Tired of the Politics of Exhaustion!

Establishment Republicans are reportedly pushing former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-Fla.) to run for president in 2016. Former Secretary of State and Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) is the only Democratic candidate anyone can even think of. WTF is going on, I ask in my new Daily Beast col.

What is it that Faulkner said in Requiem for a Nun (1950)? “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.” Who knew that he was talking about politics in the goddamned 21st century, not Yoknapatawpha County after the Civil War?

It’s not a mystery why elites would totally dig a retro contest between two of the nation’s least-appealing families. It would mean that zombified pundits such as David Gergen, whose lack of cogency is directly proportional to the number of administrations in which he served, could push off retirement a few more years and writers such as [New York Times' columnist Maureen] Dowd, who peaked in terms of what passes for wit and originality during the Clinton era, could recycle old columns as unashamedly as Cate Blanchet recycles plastic bags at the local Safeway. GOP and Democratic apparatchiks and their big-money enablers wouldn’t have to struggle with the grim and unavoidable fact that fewer and fewer of us are willing to identify with either party—even to strangers on the phone.

But for the large and growing plurality of us who are independents, there’s simply no advantage in putting up with this politics of exhaustion, of the elite’s fixation on characters and policies from the past. We need a reboot that’s not simply the same-old, same-old.

First and foremost, that reboot means actually confronting entitlement spending (especially on Medicare) that is both unsustainable and immoral. It also means coming to terms with the absolutely failed foreign policies prosecuted by Jeb Bush's brother and Hillary Clinton's former boss. And it means taking seriously politicians as different as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), the libertarian-leaning Tea Party favorite, and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the socialist former mayor of Burlington. At least these guys are talking about the future, rather than enacting a weird dance with the past.

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  • Brian D||

    Are you cool with the politics of dancing?

  • Ted S.||

    The politics of failure have failed. We must make them work again.

  • Tim||

    " could recycle old columns as unashamedly as Cate Blanchet recycles plastic bags at the local Safeway"

    Clever.

  • Winston||

    Nick Gillespie: Least Funny and Cool or Most Unfunny and Uncool Man alive?

  • Ted S.||

    Don't insult The Jacket.

  • sloopyinca||

    Saying that insulting Gillespie is an attack on the jacket is like saying an attack on Twiki is also ann attack on Dr Theopolis.

  • Tim||

    No, I actually thought that was clever.

  • guru||

    There hasn't been an original argument in america since before my grandparents were born.

  • Pro Libertate||

    No, and no. It's like war--they're always fighting the last one.

    Expect the unexpected in 2016. The big factor that is almost being completely ignored is the actions of the very likely GOP Congress in 2015/16. If they're buffoons or successfully painted that way, could affect the 2016 election. If not, then they could win big. I suspect they'll do a little of the latter and a lot of the former, but we'll see.

  • Warren's Strapon||

    For the GOP to win the White House, they'll have to win every state Romney won in 2012, plus Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, plus one more state. That will take more than mere lack of buffoonery, I think.

    2016 Senate doesn't look favorable for them either. They've got to win big this year if they want to hold it.

  • ||

    It's pretty frightening that it seems that TEAM BLUE thinks of "Clinton" and that makes them think of better times, while TEAM RED thinks of "Bush" and does the same. However, it's a pretty hilarious indicator of what they actually think of Obama, even if they'd never actually say so. There's a subtle, unconscious acknowledgement that we are in some fucked up times, even if partisan bullshit doesn't allow many people to admit it.

  • Pro Libertate||

    No. . .there is another. . .Lietalker.

  • Specail Sauce||

    How?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Obi Bama has a twin. . .sis-ter.

  • db||

    Brother? Brother! Now Rovey-Wan's failure is complete!

  • Drake||

    Funny, when I think of the names "Bush" and "Clinton" I also think of better times. And, how those 2 families fucked them to get where we are today.

  • Sudden||

    I like to think that if we get yet another Bush and yet another Clinton as the "only two choices", that very moment will lead to revolution, whether by third parties actually capturing massive portions of the vote or by disaffected citizens taking to the streets in violent revolution.

    Although chances are that our fellow citizens are too enamoured with their feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy.

  • Winston||

    You Know Who Else took to the streets in a violent revolution against the same old corrupt establishment?

  • Sudden||

    Citizens of the Massachussetts Colony

  • Winston||

    Daniel Shays?

  • Tim||

    Crimeans?

  • waffles||

    Spoken like a guy who has never even played centrifugal bumblepuppy. It is a sick, sad statement about our politics if our best executive is required to be part of a dynasty. I hope the Rand can be spun into something positive and I simply do not understand why he is the target of so much vitriol while Clinton/Bush get a free pass for doing what exactly?

  • Sudden||

    I have an aversion to casting a vote for a major party candidate on a national ballot. That Rand is continually being cast as a devil/loon/etc. is perhaps the one thing that keeps me hoping that he may indeed be the genuine article and a person that the DC/NY corridor power elite is legitimately afraid of.

  • Winston||

    Um aren't you going to have to rewrite this after Jeb's comments on illegal immigration?

    who peaked in terms of what passes for wit and originality during the Clinton era, could recycle old columns as unashamedly as Cate Blanchet recycles plastic bags at the local Safeway

    Pot meet kettle.

    And considering Nick Gillespie was the one who back in 2008 claimed that Obama's election would end racism I find little credibility in his predictive abilities.

    We need a reboot that’s not simply the same-old, same-old.
    I'm sure Bernie Sanders' idea of reboot will be libertopia.

    At least these guys are talking about the future, rather than enacting a weird dance with the past.

    Since you brought up Bernie Sanders might as well mention that Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Robespierre, etc. all promised a radical break from the past and previous politics and a "reboot" of sorts for their countries.

  • Sudden||

    Since you brought up Bernie Sanders might as well mention that Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Robespierre, etc. all promised a radical break from the past

    Fortunately, that radical break from the past will not include breaking away from Godwin's Law.

  • Sunmonocle Backwards Tophat||

    Here at H&R, we make that statement with "You know who else wanted a radical break from the past..." and all those names would naturally follow, along with Michael J. Fox and Sol Weintraub's daughter in Hyperion.

  • Warren's Strapon||

    The Grand Nagus?

  • Winston||

    Acting Grand Nagus Brunt!

  • Calidissident||

    Hitler rose to power promising a rebirth of the German Reich and Pol Pot wanted go to back to "Year Zero." I don't see how those guys weren't concerned about the past.

  • Winston||

    Um wasn't "Year Zero" supposed to represent the complete destruction of the past and how the revolutionary society is brand new?

    And Hitler envisioned a grand future for the Aryan Race.

    And you didn't mention Robespierre and Lenin who were concerned about the past judging by the killings of their former monarchs.

    And technically speaking you can't ignore the past since well all knowledge is from the past. Libertarianism is not new and many of its ideas are quite old.

  • MJGreen||

    OK, and you can't ignore the future because that's the time their plans will be executed and actions will be fruit. So what's your point?

  • Winston||

    So what's your point?

    Calissident's post is nonsense?

  • ||

    These people vote.

    overseasvet 3 hours ago
    The SCOTUS has destroyed any glimmer for a true independent. Due to their infusion of unlimited money into the process only a government insider has any chance at the billions it will take to run a campaign.

    periscope 7 hours ago
    Thanks to the downright evil of the Special Interests (fossil fuel and gun lobbys, etc.), and the rise of the propaganda and deceit network of Fake News TV, and the vile five Republicans on the SCOTUS who made buying elections "legal," we have a politics that is driven by fear and greed, and we fail to address the real problems facing the USA and the world.

    Climate Change is a massive problem that is getting worse, and can only be reversed by enormous public action to reduce fossil fuel use, and greenhouse gas emissions (NBC did a special on this last night).

    Sane gun control is desperately needed, and the NRA must be slapped aside for the menace they are.

    Immigration reform is long overdue. Financial reforms, and income/wealth gaps must be addressed.

    These are just some of the serious problems we face, and if we allow the bullies and boneheads of the right to delay us in taking action, our children will be their victims.
  • waffles||

    Well you got to give it to them, they do hit all the feels.

  • Sudden||

    ...we have a politics that is driven by fear and greed, and we fail to address the real problems facing the USA and the world.

    Is it really possible to be this stupid and not see glaring irony staring right back at you?

    Railing against TEH EVULZ and then referencing the politics of fear without any self-awareness that you are in fact creating all-powerful boogeymen and monsters that must be fought at all cost because they are TEH EVULZ and TEH POWERFULZ

  • wareagle||

    Is it really possible to be this stupid and not see glaring irony staring right back at you?

    at Daily Beast, suspension of both irony and self-awareness is required.

  • Ted S.||

    The teachers' union is a special interest too.

  • GILMORE||

    Good thing there's no appeal to "Fear or Greed" there.

  • paranoid android||

    My God.

    "I'm not going to let myself be brainwashed by all that corporate propaganda. On a completely unrelated topic, did you see that special on NBC about the need for enormous public action on global warming?"

  • Winston||

    It's not corporate propaganda when I agree with it, duh.

  • Loki||

    Climate Change is a massive problem that is getting worse, and can only be reversed by enormous public action to reduce fossil fuel use, and greenhouse gas emissions (NBC did a special on this last night).

    Oh, NBC, you say?! Well then, I guess the science really is settled! /sarc

    These are just some of the serious problems we face, and if we allow the bullies and boneheads of the right to delay us in taking action, our children will be their victims.

    Whereas the bullies and boneheads of the left are soooo much better. *rolls eyes* Douchebag.

  • Cytotoxic||

    The fact that the GOP Establishment thinks JEB BUSH is the horse they want to ride on is breathtaking. These really are the dumbest most conceited assholes ever. They could probably co-opt someone who has the appearance of a 'TP outsider' like West or Cruz. They are vague even on their supposed pro-liberty bona fides that I bet they could be pushed and manipulated into maintaining most of the foreign policy SQ. But that would involve some compromise and-worst of all-consorting with those upstart Tea Party peasants that forgot their place. Nope. We're going all in on the worst name brand in politics.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Jeb is a status quo GOP pick. That is exactly what they want.

    Is this news to you?

  • Sudden||

    Cyto's point is that instead of picking Jeb, especially given the tarnished brand name he carries courtesy of his younger brother, the GOP would be better served by taking one of the ascendent TP types like Cruz or Rubio and simply co-opting them to toe the conventional party lion. Rand is the only TPer that seems more or less completely beholden to his principles. A guy like Cruz could seems he could be turned into a standard bearer for GOP power interests.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Rand Paul would be hostile to their precious global security force and entitlement state.

    He is exactly what the GOP does not want.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Cruz has some principle, so the establishment co-opters would have to compromise. NOPE. WE FULL RETARD.

  • Tony||

    Cruz can't read children's books without completely missing the point. I think I now know what you morons mean when you refer to principles. Ideas expressed simply enough so that you can just misunderstand them.

  • MSD62581||

    Hey, way to decide what principles mean for everyone. And Cruz doesn't read children's books the right way? Really? That's all you've got?

  • newshutz||

    I am really surprised that Kasich is not the GOP Establishment pick. He must have really pissed someone off.

  • Brett L||

    But he's so... electable. You know this is going to be the line. "Shut up you Paultard teabaggers and march in step with our electable candidate."

    I'm almost sorry I was so short last time the GOP called me and asked for money. Laughing until I'm out of breath would be theraputic.

  • ||

    How'd Tulpa get your number?

  • Brett L||

    I was young. I was foolish. I may have dabbled in two-party politics before becoming awakened to the scam. I didn't know!

  • Sudden||

    The only thing that strikes me as unelectable about Rand is his stature (coming in at a sprite 5'6" or so).

    And while I simply cannot overstate how vain and vacuous contemporary American society is, I still simply cannot think that people would prefer a 6'3" automaton with well quaffed hair (*cough*Mitt*cough*) to a man who represents a genuinely new and distinct direction simply because he's the same height as Putin.

  • ||

    I'm 6'2". #ELECTABLE #WARPRESIDENT2016

  • Sudden||

    But is your hair well-quaffed?*

    *please note this is not a pubic hair refence

  • ||

    I'm drinking a pina colada. My hair is perfect.

  • newshutz||

    but are you at Trader Vic's?

  • Ted S.||

    I have no idea if his hair has had a lot to drink. :-p

  • Pro Libertate||

    I, too, am 6'2. It is time for those who are 6'2 to rise and take their rightful place at the helm of America.

  • ||

    George Washington was 6'2". Time to rise up against our inferiors and take what's ours.

  • Swiss Servator, Frühling!!!||

    I thought Washington was 6'8" and weighed a fucking ton....or was it 6'20" fucking killing for fun.

    Wait, it was 12 stories high made of radiation!

  • Hyperion||

    This may be a myth. I was at Mt. Vernon, and his bed is only like 4' long. I asked the tour guide about this, and I got this lame story that back them people slept sitting up, not lying down flat like we do now.

    LIES! A fucking cover up, the first president was only 4 feet tall!

  • Swiss Servator, Frühling!!!||

    And I can be SecDef, right? (I am just a bit over 6'2")

  • Pro Libertate||

    So long as you come in under 6'3. We'll have no fakes in the 6'2 camp.

    Jesus was 6'2, you know.

  • Brett L||

    I'm just saying, they picked McSame and a cyborg with great hair and no personality because they were "electable", which means: Doesn't scare the old white people.

    By the time the primaries are over, Rand will be painted as wanting to help terrorists bomb the US while simultaneously helping drug users rob, rape, and murder like in those Charlie Bronson movies.

  • Pro Libertate||

    So I don't agree with everything Rand says. Still think he's a million miles better than the alternatives.

  • Sudden||

    They're gonna have a hard time selling old white people that lil' ol' Rand Paul with his kindly Kentucky drawl is somehow scary. It may be early still, but Rand has to be the front runner for the GOP nomination. He's picked up a variety of constituencies that I didn't think could be held together.

  • Swiss Servator, Frühling!!!||

    That eye doctor is EVULLLLLL!

    /Establican

  • Pope Jimbo||

    True Fact: Rand helped fit the Eye of Sauron for a contact.

    And that is the least evil client he had.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Rand Paul is meticulously grooming his image. He is smart and very aware.

  • Drake||

    If I was thinking of candidates who would end the GOP as a major party, Jeb Bush would be one of the top picks. Lindsey Graham, Lamar Alexander, or Orrin Hatch might have the same special ability to make Conservatives leave the party forever.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Jeb Bush tops them all. Maybe the GOP Establishment sees some wall writing we don't and thinks it's game over for their dominance of Team Read, so they're blowing it up. If they can't have it no one can.

    That would require intelligence so no.

  • Winston||

    Hitlery vs. Jeb Bush. Where's Barfman?

  • Brett L||

    I vote for any of the other 200M or so eligible candidates who have no relation to former presidents.

  • db||

    Ya' know what this.country needs, is a good.old fashioned, womanizing, boozing Kennedy at the helm again.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'm surprised no Washington descendent has run. "Return to our glorious roots. Vote El Founding Father Supremo."

  • Winston||

    Washington and Martha had no kids so unsurprisingly they have no descendants to run for office. And I have no idea if he had any bastard mulatto slave children?

  • Pro Libertate||

    If not descendents, then collateral relatives. It doesn't really matter.

  • ||

    All presidents are bastards in their country's eyes.

  • Brett L||

    I'd pay good money to have one of TJ's black descendants running on a throwback platform.

  • db||

    "The blood of tyrants is the soul food.of the tree of.liberty."

  • waffles||

    nice

  • db||

    Is there.no.one to.carry.on the legacy of Calvin Coolidge?

  • Winston||

    Is there.no.one to.carry.on the legacy of Calvin Coolidge?

    Yes.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Bill Clinton is looking pretty fucking good.

    Gridlock! When BJ's = real scandal!

  • Sudden||

    Perjury = real scandal was certainly preferable to IRS targeting, entire population data mining, and willful ignorance of an established security threat to a consulate and making it about some fucking youtube video no one had seen = fake scandal.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    He did perjure himself but it was a technicality.

    Then the pussy Dems let Bush by with murder.

  • wareagle||

    actually, the pussy Dems have rationalized murder under Obama. I'm sure they'll oppose it when a Repub is in the Oval.

  • MSD62581||

    Of course, the much worse scandal of the Clinton years was his intervention into the Balkans. In addition, the sanctions placed on Iraq that starved children (and were one of the motivating factors of 9/11, not that we are free and awesome) were kind of a big deal too.

  • Winston||

    What we really need is another Roosevelt to destroy the new Trusts and create a New New Deal to end inequality and crush the Republican wreckers and create a Social Paradise.

  • Jensen||

    No, we need another Roosevelt to finally 'deal' with Cuba and shoot all African animals into extinction.

  • waffles||

    Fuck that sounds good. We can start with antitrust legislation to take down standard oil!

  • PapayaSF||

    Did anyone see the recent Family Guy? Peter and the gang lose their booth at the bar, and Peter gives an impassioned defense of why they should get it back. (Dialog from memory):

    "I witnessed every recent historical event from that booth!"

    Clip of Peter in the booth, watching a TV report that the Challenger has exploded. Peter: "Oh God, n-o-o-o!!"

    Clip of Peter in the booth, watching a TV report on 9/11. Peter: "Oh God, n-o-o-o!!"

    Clip of Peter in the booth, watching a TV report that Barack Obama has just been elected President. Peter: "Oh God, n-o-o-o!!"

  • Cytotoxic||

    Well that's...surprising. Almost shocking.

  • Len Bias||

    Haven't seen that one yet, but isn't that probably just saying something like "Peter is an ignorant racist?"

  • PapayaSF||

    I don't think so. The set-up makes it clear that his third reaction is "of a piece" with the first two. It's not a slam on Peter for disliking Obama. Methinks the bloom is off the Obama rose in the Family Guy offices.

  • Len Bias||

    Could very well be, but funny how they didn't go sour on him until after 2012.

  • PapayaSF||

    Oh, yeah.

  • Tony||

    Peter Griffin is obviously an archetype of the ideal American man.

  • Len Bias||

    If the typical American male were as smart, sophisticated and enlightened as you are, then who would you sneer at?

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