Tonight on The Independents: Interview With a Drone Operator, Peter King vs. Rand Paul on the NSA, Detroit Police Chief on Why Residents Should Pack Heat; Plus Fallujah, Blue Monday, and More!

I'm so bo-o-ored with the I.R.A.! |||Tonight's live episode of Fox Business Network's The Independents, which airs at 9 pm ET and then repeats again at midnight, will feature some fascinating interview subjects. Brandon Bryant, profiled in recent GQ piece titled "Confessions of a Drone Warrior," will explain the ins and outs of delivering death by remote control. And Detroit Police Chief James Craig will explain just why he thinks having an armed citizenry would make the Motor City a safer place.

There will also be a dissection of Rep. Peter King's attacks on Sen. Rand Paul over NSA spying, with GOP strategist/Sun Sentinel columnist Noelle Nikpour and Russell Simmons Political Director (!) Michael Skolnik; plus discussion about the fall of Fallujah, the advent of Blue Monday, and a science teacher losing more than 30 pounds by eating at McDonald's.

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  • playa manhattan||

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Epi

  • ||

    Oh yeah? Well, you're a Uwe Boll fan! Or maybe you're actually a Brett Ratner fan!

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Says the man who co-wrote the dialogue for Star Wars I thru III.

  • ||

    The character of Padme was Epi's Mary Sue.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    I also heard Epi say he was related to Renny Harlin.

  • ||

    DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    TLKG was fine art compared to Cutthroat Island

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Padme? I thought it was Jar Jar.

  • ||

    No, Jar Jar is just comic relief in the fine tradition of minstrel shows.

    Padme allows Epi to express his desires for whiny young men with borderline personality disorder.

  • ||

    She's the most "me" character I've ever written.

    (sniff, wipes tear from eye)

  • ||

    Do you really not like sand? Because I can't imagine such inspired dialogue not coming from the heart.

  • ||

    Says the man who co-wrote the dialogue for Star Wars I thru III.

    Those were supposed to be song lyrics! Damn Lucas!

  • Sudden||

    Anyway ... dialogue was never his strong suit.

    Kudos to TMZ for an actually good punchline.

  • playa manhattan||

    I like some elements of TMZ. I've dealt with Harvey on a professional level, and I've had beers with Max Hodges few times. Max is a weirdo, but entertaining...

    Their spy network is pretty fucking amazing. You don't want to end up on their bad side...

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    The TMZ show that is a group of the people who work there commenting on celeb statements and paparazzi footage, I hate to admit, is really entertaining and funny to me. I actually enjoy watching their commentary.

    What have I come to???

  • playa manhattan||

    I don't watch the show, but I do have a lot of respect for their legal dept. They get away with everything.

  • Hyperion||

    Peter King is like the male version of Diane Feinstein, or he looks like the American verion of Leonid Brezhnev. And he looks angry all of the time. Must be those darn wack-o birds ruffling up his angry bird feathers.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    He should play a mobster in the movies.

  • Hyperion||

    Or Brezhnev. If he could just get the unibrow thing going, he could nail that one.

  • Aresen||

    Soviet cloning technology was never perfect.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Too much vodka in the artificial embryonic fluid.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Or a Russian mobster.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    You would be angry too if you had all that sand in your vagina.

  • Hyperion||

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Nobody said getting old was easy

  • Raven Nation||

    I think it got posted yesterday but I don't know if Sunday counts.

  • playa manhattan||

    Sunday is off the record.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Caught it on the radio while I was researching something or other. I think it was Chris Plante maybe? His show just went national and he, thank God, replaced Geraldo in my market.

  • Aresen||

    Hellyer was an inspiration to Rhinoceroses throughout Canada.

  • Cytotoxic||

    OT: I just saw Nancy Grace on CNN (I was flipping through channels) talk about legalized MJ. Shocker: she was a hysterical thundercunt. Like 'every word of Reefer Madness is true' hysterical. Vintage Nancy Graceless.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Flipping thru channels, suuuuuuuuurrrrrreeeee

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    Were you watching TV from your bunk?

  • The Heresiarch||

    I saw that. She was utterly punchable. I liked the part where she said she read every shred of medical evidence about marijuana. The interviewer should have asked, "Really? Name them. Name all the studies you read."

  • ||

    the advent of Blue Monday

    The holidays are over and it is nearly a year until the next ones.

    This is the the best time of the year. Even better is a bunch of stuff in stores I want and need is generally cheaper and few people are there getting in my way.

  • ||

    But on the other hand the movies that come out are going to suck until at least May.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    As opposed to the rest of the movies this year? (Bilbo excepted)

  • Ted S.||

    Meh. I just watch lots of TCM.

  • ||

    Robocop looks good.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    I walked out the door this morning and cried "Freeeeeeeedommmmmm!!!"

    Work is so much easier than kids.

  • cavalier973||

    Meat. It's what's for dinner.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    I'd try most of those meals.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Old cameras took shitty pics.

  • PapayaSF||

    4-color printing has come a long way since then.

  • Sevo||

    Pretty sure this is Proggy Wet Dream winner for 1/6/14
    Entitled slackers in SF are pissed that people working for a living in the tech industry are paying market rate to live in SF and thereby ruining the slackers’ ongoing theft of ‘rent controlled’ apartments.
    Some of the tech companies provide free bus transport on contracted busses and the slackers have been griping that the buses use the Muni bus stops (which is a good idea since the Muni drivers can’t be bothered to pull into them).
    Anyhow, the SF city gov’t has decided to charge fees for use of the bus stops, which is only one more reg to add to the thousands. Now, how much is this fee? Will it be used to somehow lower rents? Improve Muni?
    No, not on your life; the gov’t will set up a bureaucracy to administer the system and the charges will be such as to just cover that.
    Got that? The sole result of the new arrangement will be a self-supporting bureaucracy. Money moves from productive efforts to pay the gov't admin costs to collect it; nothing else. SEIU is pleased.
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/.....118477.php

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Sounds like the theory behind 80% of government already.

  • ||

    80%?!?

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    I'll attribute the other 20% to good intentions.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    What are "good intentions," anyway? The term seems to mean "blinded by a feeling of smug benevolence and a grandiose sense of self-importance, such that the person is sincerely surprised at quite predictable consequences of the policies they advocate."

    While typing the foregoing, I heard a PSA from the Department of Energy about how the old-style light bulbs are outdated like whalebone corsets, and how the new light bulbs are like modern and stuff.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    the old-style light bulbs are outdated like whalebone corsets, and how the new light bulbs are like modern and stuff.

    In other words: We're government and we're here to help.

  • Mumu Bobby||

    Intentions can be determined by careful consideration of party affiliation.

    In a democracy, aren't the Democrats always the home team? Maybe that's what's going on with the media.

  • Locke||

    Yeah, I heard that ad on the radio too (The whalebone corset one).

    Does it piss anyone else off extremely when you hear an ad paid for by government funds?

  • Locke||

    As if we would all die of obesity or radon poisoning if we didn't have our benefactors remind us every 5 minutes.

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Pretty much.

  • playa manhattan||

    "San Francisco residents have been complaining for months that the gleaming, tinted-window shuttles hog public bus stops and benefit from a taxpayer-funded resource"

    So cement benches covered in bum piss is a "taxpayer-funded resource"?

    Also, which "taxpayers" contribute more to these piss-soaked benches? The artists?

  • Smilin' Joe Fission||

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure the people riding these buses and the people who own the buses all pay taxes.

  • Mumu Bobby||

    It's low hanging political fruit for the envy class.

  • The Knarf Yenrab||

    Some of the tech companies provide free bus transport on contracted busses and the slackers have been griping that the buses use the Muni bus stops (which is a good idea since the Muni drivers can’t be bothered to pull into them).

    Look, Sevo, those are public bus stops. That means only apparatchiks and other servants of the people should be able to use them. It is a sign of magnanimity that the State allows the public to use the property of the people at all, much less for a nominal fee (see US Park Service during the gov shutdown for an illustrative example).

    The corrupt SF-bus-stop fiefdom brings to mind this gem: http://kevinunderhill.typepad......970c-800wi

  • SFC B||

    How much do you think an owner of, say, a parking lot, could get if they offered to rent some of their lot to Google for a place for their busses to stop? Or maybe a hotel not far from a Muni stop agreeing to allow the Google Bus to pick up people in its valet drive?

    Heck, there is probably a price point for the fees that will be charged where it is cheaper for them to just have the bus go door-to-door and pick up people.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Schools in PA are closing tomorrow. Too cold. +5

    Fucking pussies!

  • Sevo||

    You bet!
    Why, I hiked 10 miles, uphill both ways...

  • Hyperion||

    Unless it was barefoot in the snow while carrying 100 lbs. in a burlap bag on your back, like I did as a kid, that's totally lame.

  • Sevo||

    Hey, you got nothin' on me! I'm legally DEAD!

  • $park¥||

  • ||

    There is some kind of college football game on right now, but real men watch The Independents.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Fooseball is teh debil!

  • Hyperion||

    No, little girls is da debil! No wait... Benjamin Franklin is da debil!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Ma... Ma... Mamma says you should be a watchin da Independents.

  • Hyperion||

    You an all your fancy Independent friens!

  • Ted S.||

    I'm sure Sloopy is rooting against Brett L.

  • Irish||

    Josh Barro: Here's why Edward Snowden needs a long prison sentence.

    If Snowden's disclosures had been tightly limited to information about how U.S. intelligence agencies collect private information about Americans, I'd be more sympathetic to calls to let him off. And I still don't think he needs to be executed or imprisoned for life; a long sentence signifying the severity of his crimes, perhaps 15 years, would satisfy me. As Paul Carr notes, all sorts of criminals get plea bargains, and Snowden could have one too.

    Barro continues his long and storied history of egocentric stupidity. Who gives a fuck if it's fine with you, Josh?

    Apparently all of our criminal punishments should be based on how long Josh Barro thinks you should be locked up.

  • Hyperion||

    all sorts of criminals get plea bargains, and Snowden could have one too.

    Or... he could be smart and just forget about ever coming back here.

  • Irish||

    Snowden's defenders often say that his disclosures haven't had any demonstrable negative impact on U.S. security. That relies on too narrow a definition of "security," along the lines of "did they enable a terrorist attack?" The Snowden disclosures have worsened our relations with a variety of our allies and competitors, notably including the Germans, the Russians, and the Brazilians. The U.S. invests a lot of money and energy in fostering favorable international relations; if damage to those relations is irrelevant, there's a lot of diplomacy we can just stop bothering with.

    Goddamn it Snowden! Since our allies would be pissed about us tapping the phones of their prime ministers, you shouldn't have told anybody! Clearly not tapping the phones of the German prime minister isn't an option!

    And the money quote:

    The government keeps too many secrets, but I trust the government to decide what needs to be secret more than I trust rogue contractors with security clearances to decide what should be disclosed.

    Of course you do, Josh. I've come to expect noble, genius Josh Barro to totally avoid every criticizing the government. Why criticize your buddies in D.C. when you could imprison a whistle blower for 15 years?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!?

    Are we still doing this?

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  • Sevo||

    Is it something like "Dyslexics Untie!"

  • Sevo||

    Oh, and Auburn is looking pretty good so far.

  • Derpetologist||

    I take it this is the other PM links thread? I had a pretty epic showdown with a prog on FB and I thought I would share the tale

  • Hyperion||

    It's the late nite links thread.

  • PapayaSF||

    Good Google-fu, but these days I always wonder what "sex offender" really means. Even "violent assault" can mean goosing someone, it seems....

  • ||

    Did you happen to find out what his offense was?

  • Derpetologist||

    All I know for sure is what it says on the mugshot- criminal sexual assault.

    From what I have heard from other sources, he is in fact guilty. Evidently his crime was groping women at a public library.

    He blocks anyone who mentions this and has never at any point proclaimed his innocence. He uses a fake name. He was 37 at the time of his arrest. Put all this together, and I see a compelling case for his guilt.

    If the first thing he said when this came up was to admit that he was falsely accused and plead guilty to avoid jail, I might have believed him. Judging from his general nastiness and dishonesty, I have little doubt about his guilt.

  • Bam!||

    Turtle neck.

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    Tactile-neck.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Kennedy's various accoutrements look heavy.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Peter King will never be president.

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    Even if he were Lincoln reincarnated, would Americans really vote for a President King?

  • Hyperion||

    Not if he looked like Brezhnev.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Dem on the right, rep on the left?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    King should move to Kentucky to register his vote about Paul's senateness.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    FUCK YOU PETER KING!

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    "Clapper Lied!; King's Career Died!"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Peter King is the least undouchebaggy he can be.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    More like classless action lawsuit.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    God bless her, she's talking horse race so she can avoid picking a side.

  • Irish||

    I saw that. She also lapsed into a discussion about Republican fundraising that no one asked about.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    DOESN'T THIS WOMAN REALIZE THESE SEGMENTS ARE ONLY 90 SECONDS LONG BETWEEN COMMERCIALS?

  • ||

    Shorter Daisy Duke: "I'm not saying I agree with Rand Paul, I'm just saying there's a way when we can spin this to motivate the average Republican voter."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    This guy recognizes who is in the White House.

  • Irish||

    Holy fuck, it's Michael Skolnick. I believe this is the moron who treated Trayvon Martin's hoodie like the Shroud of Turin.

  • ||

    And he totally just stole a look down the Republican lady's top.

  • Count Negroni||

    Ah, knew the name sounded familiar.

  • montana mike||

    Who do I call to order a drone strike on Skolnick, he gives tools a bad name.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Don't gang up on Lex Luther, he's trying to carry water here.

  • Count Negroni||

    Jebus. Give them Dem a pair of Doc Martins, he can go stomp people in the streets.

    Seems really twisted.

  • Bam!||

    "Play into America's fear?" America doesn't seem to fear the government spying on them.

  • Irish||

    Rationally stating facts about the NSA = playing into the fear of Americans

    Demagoguing the issue of Trayvon Martin and willfully frighting black people about the idea that some scary white guy is going to murder them = not fearmongering.

    It's an interesting universe in Michael Skolnick's head.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Give the president another term to clean this up.

  • ||

    Even if Obama could run for a third term, would he really want to? Just look at this mess he'd inherit!

  • Hyperion||

    Surely Bush is good for at least 4 more years of blame.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Where's Tony Reali when you need him?

  • ||

    You know, an Around the Horn-style show for politics might actually work. Surprised Fox doesn't try it.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    She wants to go into the box.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "What was it like operating drones, and be aware that you only have 90 seconds to tell your whole story."

  • Irish||

    "And half of your time will be used for one liners by Kennedy."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Actually, Kennedy is proving that she can rein herself in and guide an interview. Or it's someone in a Kennedy mask.

  • Bam!||

    Agreed.

  • Irish||

    And they're bringing back a guest for a segment continuation!?!

    What have they done with Kennedy?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Peter King can't believe this traitor is telling his story right now.

  • Irish||

    I think I speak for both Peter King and Josh Barro when I say that the Fox Business studio should be drone striked right now.

  • ||

    Only seven missions in six years?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    This maybe possibly should have been a Friday, one topic show.

  • Bam!||

    CustomInk has a superior logo to VistaPrint.

  • ||

    "...he bled out on the ground."

    Not even Kennedy could segue from that.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I think policy makers benefit from the shroud of secrecy.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He's military friends Peter King and Dianne Feinstein.

  • ||

    That was a very good interview. More stuff like that, please.

  • Irish||

    Great interview.

  • Irish||

    Orwell once said that the reason totalitarian governments fail is because they do not get outside input and it's impossible to adjust policy. In essence, outside information does not penetrate the inner circle so they keep making the same mistakes.

    It seems to me that when you have this level of secrecy in any government program the exact same problem develops. How are problems with the program supposed to get fixed when the only people with any information about what's going on are an incestuous cabal of military higher ups?

  • Count Negroni||

    There's also the Thermocline of Truth in an organization. Below a particular level, everyone knows the project is going to fail. Above it, everyone thinks it will be a success.

  • Hyperion||

    Like the time I was working for a mfg company and the CEO had this brilliant idea about lean manufacturing. He read about it in a magazine you know.

    Everyone knew it wasn't go to work for us. Everyone but him. There were the few ass lickers in upper management who were on true believers, but even some of them knew it was not going to work or at least had some serious doubts that it would work. Not one single middle manager, engineer, or anyone in IT believed for one second that it would work.

    It failed miserably and the CEO was fired. No one could reason with him though, and I have to admit that I felt a lot of pleasure when they canned that blowhard know it all.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    You're lucky they fire him.

  • Bam!||

    Give them money or these adorable animals die.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I fucking HATE those commercials.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Oh please. Those dogs and cats are actors. They're probably being paid above scale for these commercials. As soon as cut is called, some PA comes in to scratch their stomachs.

  • Bam!||

    There's the old Kennedy!

  • ||

    That dude gave a pretty good interview, and it's nice he's come around, but is it unreasonable for me to wonder about people who would take that job in the first place? Because I sure as fuck wouldn't.

  • Irish||

    Eh. It's possible he didn't know what it would be like until he joined. He said he was there for years so he was probably in his early 20's when he joined.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Get a load of Mr. Hindsight is 20-20 over here.

  • ||

    He said they sold it as protecting the troops on the ground, so I can understand some guys being okay with doing that at first.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Fallujah = vag.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Matt Welch hates noses.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    We are not the world police.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Shit I thought you were

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Fuck yeah.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    How do you get the reason page to stop spazzing me to the app store on my phone????

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Can't.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Then I shall toss this iPad I got for Christmas into the rubbish bin.

  • Count Negroni||

    I haven't tried it on Chrome on iPad. Might be better.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    nope, same

  • Count Negroni||

    I've just gone with bitching about it on the threads, then.

    Seriously, sleazy ads sending you to the app store is obnoxious.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    On the apple store, Chrome has an age 17+ Content Warning

  • ||

    Chrome on iPad is just a shell around Safari. Apple doesn't allow third-party browsers to use their own rendering engines.

  • Hyperion||

    What's even worse is all day today, I keep getting these banner ads about muscular women. WTF? For some time, I was only getting ads about stuff I had looked at on Amazon. Now I get muscle women and the Vanity Salon and Spa. Squirrels must be taking over the ad bot servers.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I don't understand. Are these "manufacturing marvels" things commercials? Like, I'm going to buy this scratchy recycled TP directly from the factory?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I agree. Don't give guns to anyone. GET YOUR OWN DAMN GUN, DETROIT.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ouch. B-roll of decrepit Detroit playing in the background.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Someone's not going to be welcome at the next police chief convention.

  • ||

    Exactly. Even a chief of police admits that when seconds count the police are minutes away.

  • Count Negroni||

    He's totally not getting invited to cocktail parties.

    I was skeptical about what he was going to say, but, wow, he's spot on saying things that usually are just entirely beyond the pale for police chiefs.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Bad guys are always going to get guns, but background checks will at least, you know, when law abiding citizens are buying guns, um, that we will be able... to know... um...

  • ||

    Easy there. He's said some pretty remarkable things for a police chief. I'm glad they didn't ask him about police militarization.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Up next: A pearl necklace... OF SNOW!

  • ||

    How long until this guy brings up Trayvon?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Lower homicide = more dangerous city?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Rod Stewart...

    You know they pumped a sperm whale out of his stomach.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Isn't that injuring yourself stat including suicide?

  • Count Negroni||

    Skolnick looks like Private Pyle, with a much more sadistic streak.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Heeeey Jo-ker!

  • ||

    Were you born a fat, slimy, scumbag puke piece o' shit, Private Pyle, or did you have to work on it?!

  • ||

    Goddamnit Kmele, intentions are all that matter!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Melt the guns down to build schools!

  • ||

    Nothing reduces crime like putting all the poor people into housing projects.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    YOU CAN OWN MORE GUNS, as long as your live in rural America.

  • Count Negroni||

    I'M VERY ANGRY ABOUT WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF SAID ABOUT GUNS. SO ANGRY I CAN'T GET A COHERENT THOUGHT OUT!

    MORE LIKELY TO HURT SELF!!! MORE LIKELY TO HURT SELF!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Fire bad.

  • Almanian!||

    Bread GOOOOOOD!

  • Almanian!||

    Can someone give Brent Musberger a dirt nap? MotherFUCKER he is the worst. Just insufferable.

    Plus, that goddamned, motherfucking FSU band playing that fucking OOOOOOOOOOOOOH OH OOOOOOOOOOOOOH! over and over?

    That's it - *mute*

  • ||

    Is he making up for it by talking about how hot the QB's girlfriend is?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    COME BACK GUS JOHNSON

  • ||

    This is why I can't watch this shit. Mazzarro (or whatever his fucking name is) spews the same tired bullshit. There's nothing new with these types of moronic panel discussions, ever. This one was the same as one that would have been had a year ago or 5 years ago or 10 years ago.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "I can't masturbate to this."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Progressive Insurance just killed a guy.

  • Generic Stranger||

    I like how casual they were about it. "Oh, you just disassembled my coworker on a subatomic level. Cool!"

  • Count Negroni||

    "Fat, broke and drunk?"

    Shut up, Kennedy.

  • ||

    It's no way to go through life, son.

  • ||

    Did Matt just use mild profanity?

  • OldMexican||

    Yes, he said "If you say so" and he said it to Kennedy! A woman!

    Quick! Someone call Cathy Young!

  • Hyperion||

    Of course not, cosmotarians can't use profanity. I mean just look at Matt. Can you imagine him saying 'fuck off slaver!

    No, you can't.

    It's actually impossible to say that with those glasses and a baby face. If Matt sported a goatee and stopped going to cocktail parties, then he could say it... well, ok, he'd need to lose the nerd glasses too and get a monocle like all decent libertarians.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Blue moon, you saw Welch standing alone....

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Did this make it in earlier today?

    I doubt that Sheikh Osama has been killed. I believe that he was kidnapped and is still alive. It does not make sense that a big power like the US searches for a man for 11 years and when it finds him, it just shoots him.
  • Almanian!||

    KOCHSPIRACY!

  • The Knarf Yenrab||

    As conspiracies go, that's not that far out. The NSA scandal has left me more open to speculation about what the state might be doing.

    I've watched Kennedy get his head blown off on PBS a couple dozen times, and Nick Berg is still the beginning of my political awakening. I think I and most other Americans could handle seeing the bullet-ridden corpse of 9/11's biggest fan.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    FUCKING PUSSIES! 10 degrees? February and 3 weeks of winter left? Try 3 months!

  • Almanian!||

    Just took a pic of the thermometer on our back deck -10 degrees F. Haven't seen that in southeast MI in some time.

    Add wind chill and it is fucking BITTER out there. Sounds like a couple more days and then we have a heatwave and 30....

  • playa manhattan||

  • ||

    I thought it was supposed to rain this week?

  • playa manhattan||

    You just thought that because you have to work data entry this week.

  • ||

    Possibly. I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I meet with the staffing director.

  • William of Purple||

    if she's hot, will you bang her?

  • playa manhattan||

    Doesn't matter. There's no shame in sleeping your way to the top.

  • ||

    What's that saying? You don't crap where you eat?

  • playa manhattan||

    No. If you have a female staffing director, have sex with her no matter what (assuming you're good at sex).

  • playa manhattan||

    Sometime, I'll tell the story about how I was making 4x minimum wage as a 16 year old.

  • Almanian!||

    Nope. It's warm in AZ and TX, too!

  • playa manhattan||

    I hear the beaches in AZ are very nice this time of year.

  • playa manhattan||

    Wait, what? Most of TX is below freezing right now...

  • ||

    The fuck it is. It's literally freezing here in Houston, which is an outrage.

  • Almanian!||

    That's WARM compared to -15, which is what it is now here in SE Mich.

    FUCK MICHIGAN!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Sunday night it went down to -34F.
    We're currently at -14 on the way to -22.

  • ||

    Christ, it was 75 here today. Send me your address and I'll mail you a bottle of sunshine.

  • Hyperion||

    Don't fret now, ya'll of the tundra. There are aliens in Canada that would give us some better technology, maybe even like big thermostats that you can use outdoors, if only we'd just be more nice to each other and also stop killing mother Gaia, because that's also affecting other planets thousands of light years away. Our global warming is spreading through the wormholes that all the aliens use to get here. The aliens haz a sad with us.

  • Sevo||

    Why, when I was a yute, we couldn't even read the thermometer until it got to -20! And snow! Snow! 20' drifts! Every day!
    And that was SUMMER1!1!!11

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Yes, because It was called the "Ice Age"

    /you're older than me
    //it's a joke

  • playa manhattan||

    He did admit to flying business class in the 60's. I'm impressed with his internet skills, to say the least.

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, and I had to spin the props to start the damn thing!

  • Hyperion||

    You just proved that global warming is real. Al Gore thanks you.

  • ||

    Is it still true that no two countries with a McDonald's have ever gone to war?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

  • Ted S.||

    You like Lewd Obbs?

  • Count Negroni||

    I posted it yesterday when the McDonald's guy came up, but, of course, it's relevant again:

    Super Size Me with Whiskey!

  • ||

    Cancel my subscription!

    Correction: Kennedy misspoke tonight. Sen Rand Paul NOT Sen Bernie Sanders has filed suit against the NSA. We apologize.

    — The Independents (@IndependentsFBN) January 7, 2014


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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's literally a thousand degrees below zero outside right now.

  • Hyperion||

    Isn't absolute zero, like around -400? See, you're as bad as Heroic Mulatto, you're just making shit up now.

  • Sidd Finch||

    My pool leaf scooper looked exactly the same upside down as right-side up. Not a common sight around these parts.

  • Sidd Finch||

    Wait ... is everybody in this thread really watching that dumbass show?

  • Sidd Finch||

    "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When it's freezing, they get cold." somebody said that I think

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Almanian!||

    Not gonna click on that. Nope.

    You say "laugh", but I bet it's rage inducing...

  • Sidd Finch||

    Is this rabble.ca's version of Yahoo! Contributor Network or is rabble.ca Bleacher Report for progressive Canucks?

  • William of Purple||

    I don't know what those 2 American things are, but it's for radically left Canadians.

  • Sidd Finch||

    Yahoo Contributor Network = side site for retarded (and free) fan articles

    Bleacher Report = site devoted to retarded (and free) fan articles

  • The Knarf Yenrab||

    This is the kind of bullshit that we need to drill out of kids when they're still in elementary school. Profits lead to competition and innovation to meet people's needs; nationalization lead to rationing and bureaucratic stagnation.

    It's alarming that people who can form compound/complex sentences with regularity still commit this fallacy.

  • Creme Fraiche||

    My health insurance got cancelled today. It seems late to be part of the Obamacare cancellations, but the letter mentions changes in federal law. If I do not like the insurance plans that it will offer in April when my current plan expires (the cheapest options are more than double the cost of my current plan) it suggests I go to an exchange.

    It was all fun and games until I lost my plan

  • Pompey||

    Colleague at the office today said "Gotta go talk my wife off the cliff. Last year my son's prescription cost $50 per year. Now this year the cost is $2000 per year."

    *golf clap* Auld Lang Syne everyone!

  • ||

    Pompey, did you receive my email?

  • Pompey||

    When? Haven't checked today.

  • ||

    Friday. I seem to get filed into people's spam folders fairly often, so it might be there.

  • ||

    There's no hurry whatsoever, by the way; I'm just checking.

  • Almanian!||

    WHY HAS NO ONE MURDERED BRENT MUSBERGER YET??!! Guess if you need something done...

    *books flight to Pasadena*

  • playa manhattan||

    I have it on mute, so....

  • Sidd Finch||

    Musberger's first line "Hi I'm Kirk Herbstreit along with Brent Musberger."

    seriously, that happened

  • Calidissident||

    I caught that. Couldn't stop laughing

  • Andrew S.||

    ESPN Classic has just the game video, but no announcers -- just the natural game sounds. It's glorious.

    On the other hand, fuck this game because it's not going so gloriously.

  • Calidissident||

    I wonder if Nick Marshall has a super hot girlfriend that Musburger's going to fawn over

  • playa manhattan||

    Is it true that Brett L is Red Lightning?

  • ||

    Hah, just saw that guy on the screen before I clicked this. Goofy looking dude.

  • ||

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Group wants to erect a seven foot Satan statue at the Oklahoma state capitol to balance out a 10 Commandments display. Visitors would be able to sit on Satan's lap. And I suppose ask for presents, too.

    http://www.bit.ly/1absfSC

  • William of Purple||

    How do they know what Satan looks like?

  • ||

    I hear he looks like Warty, only nicer.

  • William of Purple||

    How does anyone know who knows what Warty looks like?

  • ||

    They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Source : Creative Minority Report

  • ||

    Something tells me these aren't really "Satanists" but actually just litigious anti-Christians. You see, the state Capitol erected a Ten Commandments statue in 2012 and since then the ACLU and anti-Christian nutjobs (wait, is that redundant?) have been driven bonkers.

    This guy can go blow it out his ass. If you don't want people applying for this shit don't put up religious stuff on government property.

  • Brian D||

    All those religious symbols at Arlington National Cemetery need to go?

  • ||

    Is that at all similar? Were they put up in 2012? This isn't some historical shit or someones personal grave. They knew what they were doing and now they bitch about anti-christian nutjobs. It's tiresome.

  • SIV||

    Fuck Auburn

  • William of Purple||

    that. just. happened.

  • SIV||

    Woooooo! FSU !

  • ||

    What were you saying?

  • William of Purple||

    FSU WON BITCHES

  • William of Purple||

    Is tomorrow the new Justified already!

  • Almanian!||

    Yeah buddy! I might now be a bigger fan of @RealNickSearcy than Olyphant. He's hilarious on the Tweeterz.

  • playa manhattan||

    I thought Auburn supposedly had good special teams.

  • William of Purple||

    In the Olympic way!

  • playa manhattan||

    When your outer containment is inside the hash marks, whoops!

  • Sevo||

    Anyone else find the ad with the kid skipping out on the girl's dad amusing?

  • Almanian!||

    Not I. I like the ad for "The Legos Movie". Ima see that one.

  • Sevo||

    How 'bout the totally sarc 'mountain-man' ad for the soft drink?
    I like the bear paddling.

  • Almanian!||

    That commercial is teh awsum

  • Almanian!||

    Could Auburn choke any harder? No - I don't believe they can.

  • Almanian!||

    ....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand touchdown. FSU should look into "tackling drills". Jesus.

  • playa manhattan||

    It's just me, myself, and I

  • Almanian!||

    Still 1:11 - ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!

  • Almanian!||

    Nice D, Auburn!

    *choke, gasp, hack!*

  • ||

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the SEC school's name spelled D'Auburn?

    The D is silent.

  • Almanian!||

    JINX!

  • Sevo||

  • Almanian!||

    Good lord - Auburn's gonna give this one away.

  • Almanian!||

    But at least they stopped the clock! Oh, wait...

  • Sevo||

    Delay of game!?
    Is Kaepernick playing?

  • ||

    At least in college the coaches tell their players that five yards is less valuable than burning a timeout.

  • Almanian!||

    You gotta be kiddin' me - FLAG ON THE PLAY! Dumbasses....

  • playa manhattan||

    This should be how a championship game ends. Except I don't care who wins. My team was 1-10 this year.

  • Almanian!||

    I went to a D3 school, so our championship is given to Mount Union college every year, as per tradition...

  • playa manhattan||

    Thanks. I now know about the MUcaw from google.

  • Andrew S.||

    Not always. Sometimes Wisconsin-Whitewater wins. But it's always one of those two.

  • Sevo||

    I get to watch college ball for fun; got no faves. So THAT was a good game!

  • ||

    My school didn't even have a football program. But our science library is the envy of the UC system.

  • playa manhattan||

    I think we had 9-10 Libraries.

  • ||

    But do any of them look like a uterus from above?

  • playa manhattan||

    I have no idea what a uterus looks like. Do you mean a vagina?

  • ||

    It either looks like a woman's womb or the Starship Enterprise.

    See for yourself

  • Almanian!||

    I liked that a guy in my fraternity was the nose tackle, and one of the drummers in the jazz band (I played bass) was a linebacker.

    "That's the guy I see in class every day..." No one majored in sports in D3 back in the 80's. Pretty sure it's still the case - no athletic scholarships.

  • Calidissident||

    Weren't you guys actually 1-11 (sorry, I know that's a dick move)? Damn, I never thought you guys would fall below Colorado levels of bad.

  • playa manhattan||

    You are right. I stopped keeping track after 7 or so losses.

  • Almanian!||

    WHOOP THERE IT IS! WHOOP THERE IT IS!

    Good thing I don't give a shit about this game. If I were an Auburn fan, I'd wanna throw up. Or have about three hits of Albuterol™ to - you know - loosen up that choking feeling...

  • ||

    FSU still has 13 seconds to blow it.

  • Almanian!||

    I really don't think so but - STANFORD BAND! So maybe...

  • Almanian!||

    What did I say back there with 1:11 to go? "Anything can happen" - and it has!

    :13 to go...not much can happen...

  • Almanian!||

    Well - this has been one pretty fine weekend+Monday of football, eh?

    Now, when do the Lions play?

    Oh, right...August...

  • playa manhattan||

    I'm confused. The game is in Pasadena, but there appear to be Florida State Troopers on the field.

  • SIV||

    Guard the coach.Bobby Bowden always had Florida State Troopers. Do you think Bear Bryant ever went anywhere w/o Alabama State Troopers?

  • Irish||

    Elliot Spitzer caught sucking his topless mistresses toes in a public hot tub while parents and children look on.

    A 10-year-old boy who saw Smith topless in the pool ran back to his parents and shouted, “Mom there’s an old guy in the Jacuzzi with this girl and she’s topless and she’s got her legs wrapped around him,” sources said.
  • playa manhattan||

    Jamaica is the Mexico of the Caribbean.

  • ||

    David Burge is on a roll:

    David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 2h
    Eliot Spitzer reminds me of "American Psycho" if Christian Bale was replaced by Clint Howard.

    David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 1h
    Eliot Spitzer buys his girlfriends lingerie at Dr. Scholl's.

    David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 2h
    So I guess what feminists find sexy is Eliot Spitzer, in a hot tub, in black socks, sucking your toes, before strangling you.

    David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 1h
    Time for Anthony Wiener to step up his game. #NYPoliticalPervLeague
  • Calidissident||

    As I read that headline, I thought it was going to say another word starting with "t" in place of "toes"

  • SIV||

    Just Say 'Noles

  • William of Purple||

  • playa manhattan||

    nyet

  • ||

    Bad day for left wing academics: a football team that appropriates Native American culture and was led by a rapist quarterback that was exonerated by the Patriarchy just won a National Championship in a sport that discriminates against non-cisgendered individuals while diverting resources and attention from women's sports.

    Did I miss anything?

  • SIV||

    F L O R I D A... S T A T E! Florida State! Florida State! Woooooo!

  • Sidd Finch||

    This is the most excited State fan I've seen that isn't a single mother at karaoke night at the bar beside the bowling alley.

  • ||

    while diverting resources and attention from women's sports

    Well that part is not even accurate!

  • William of Purple||

    Screw your New Year's Resolutions. There's a supervolcano ready to go.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Is it under Washington D.C.?

    *reads article*

    Damn.

  • Andrew S.||

    Woohoo!

    Never going to sleep tonight!

    Don't care!

  • playa manhattan||

    He's going to rape that glass football.

  • Sidd Finch||

    That glass football has some other football player's cum in its ass. It's the perfect crime.

  • ||

  • SIV||

    I'm in the ATL and it is 11 degrees Fahrenheit outside. I'm gonna go out and smoke a cigarette.

  • Tman||

    Nashvegas is a brisk three degrees. Just had a smoke and enjoyed my pea coat christmas present for one of the fifteen days in Nashville it will be reasonable to wear it.

  • Sidd Finch||

    Fun fact: I've never heard anyone outside Nashville refer to it as Nashvegas.

  • Tman||

    I hope it stays that way. The less people know the better.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Nashville: It's marginally safer than Memphis.

  • Tman||

  • Sidd Finch||

    Nashville: our Entertainment District isn't a single block amidst burnt out downtown, and the gang warfare is pretty low key, all things considered?

  • Tman||

    Nashville: Whatever anyone told you about Memphis, think the opposite.

  • Sidd Finch||

    Whatever anyone told you about Memphis, think the opposite.

    This should be the goal of any city manager.

    When I was a kid, it was a cowtown full of antique malls and carpet barns

    I remember it as the place with a bunch of titty billboards on the highway.

  • The Knarf Yenrab||

    I can't imagine a starker contrast in American cities than seeing Nashville circa 1990 and seeing it today.

    When I was a kid, it was a cowtown full of antique malls and carpet barns, with the world's second-oldest wooden rollercoaster and the state capital there as sideshows. The city is unrecognizable to me these days.

  • The Knarf Yenrab||

    And if economic development weren't enough, they just opened the Johnny Cash Museum.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    *Golf clap*

    Congrats. You beat Memphganistan by about 100 or so.

    Still, the warzone is about 3 hours down I-40 from your fair city.

  • Tman||

    Yes Memphis is a three hour drive away, but it is not "marginally" less safe.

    I've been here since the early 90's, and as Knarf said, you wouldn't recognize it from twenty years ago. It used to be a lot like, well, Memphis.

  • C. Anacreon||

    What about non-criminal homicide? That must be where the actual numbers are hidden.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    From Overlawyered - the ACLU changes its mind, decides censorship is OK after all.

    http://dlvr.it/4fLPLk

  • Sidd Finch||

    Only paleotards and anti-semites criticize the ACLU.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Figures. Being offended is icky after all.

  • Sidd Finch||

    How's that butt?

    Amari Cooper ‏@AmariCooper

    Them niggas beat us fuck them

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