Constitutionally Illiterate Michael Bloomberg Doesn't Want the DOJ Monitoring His Stop-and-Frisk "Military"

kathylavery Photobucketkathylavery PhotobucketIn November 2011, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told an audience at MIT, “I don’t listen to Washington very much, which is something they’re not thrilled about.” He didn't listen because he didn't have to. "I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world," Bloomberg bragged.

That boast--crude and alarming as it was--sort of just hung in the air, slowly losing its stench. Yesterday, Bloomberg revived it, this time while announcing that he didn't want the Justice Department overseeing the NYPD in the event a federal judge deems stop-and-frisk unconstitutional.

WNYC News reports:

The U.S. Department of Justice filed papers Wednesday saying that if a federal judge ruled the NYPD's practices unconstitutional, then the DOJ would strongly endorse the use of a monitor to oversee changes at the department.

The mayor, however, said that the police department needs a clear line of authority. "No military organization or paramilitary runs where you have confusion in the command structure. You just cannot have that. Lives are on the line," he said in a question-and-answer session with reporters.

Emphasis mine. The NYPD is not a "military organization" or an "army," much less Bloomberg's "own army." Nor is the NYPD a "paramilitary organization"--that would require the department to change its core function to supporting an actual military. The NYPD is a police department. New York, New York is a city, not a sovereign nation. The 14th Amendment says Bloomberg and his police are required to respect the Fourth Amendment. This is basic stuff. You'd think Bloomberg would know it. 

As for his claim that federal supervision of a police department that regularly violates the constitutional rights of New Yorkers "would create confusion in the command structure"? New York cops say there's plenty of that already, thanks to their union working with commanding officers to create confusing and possibly illegal quotas for stopping, frisking, and arresting minority residents. In the event that a federal court deems stop-and-frisk unconstitutional, there will be that much more confusion at the NYPD. Bringing in an outside body--one tasked with making sure the department respects the constitutional rights of New Yorkers--would provide the department with a much needed moral compass. 

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  • Cliché Bandit||

    Now THAT is some Alt-Text WIN!!!!

  • cw||

    Holy shit, Doomberg is truly demented.

  • Almanian!||

    also, this

  • Hugh Akston||

    Yeah. Jesus Christ Monkeyballs that guy has lost it.

  • juris imprudent||

    I think the closer he comes to loosing power the crazier he gets.

  • Almanian!||

    FUCKING ALT TEXT OF THE CENTURY! Riggs is #WINNING

  • ||

    #wet#want

  • Jerryskids||

    Dear Citizens of Toronto;

    We're so sorry we laughed.

    Signed,

    NYC

  • cw||

    Bloomberg is a tinpot dictator. No joke.

  • NeonCat||

    I'm torn on Bloomberg seceding NYC from the Union.

    Heck, may as well find out how good his "army" is.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I say send in the drones to take his ass out right now.

  • perlhaqr||

    I say let 'em go!

    Without NYC, NY goes red, and NYC no longer has any say in American gun laws.

    This is a complete win.

  • Rich||

    Serious question: What is this clown going to do after his stint as mayor is over?

    Take over Academi?

  • CE||

    When exactly did cops and soldiers start holding their rifles like they were a bag of poop, with their wrist cocked 90 degrees down and the rifle pointed toward the floor? When I was a kid we carried our guns like men, horizontally across the waist or hips, with two hands if we were expecting to shoot in the near future, or tucked under one elbow if we were just walking.

  • Almanian!||

    About the same time Mayberry RFD went off the air

  • ||

    You mean at the low ready? At the same time we started operating in urban environments, and decided we wanted to accidentally kill fewer of our friends.

    Of course, by "we", I mean actual soldiers in combat, not police who don't understand the difference.

  • Redmanfms||

    When I was a kid we carried our guns like men, horizontally across the waist or hips, with two hands if we were expecting to shoot in the near future, or tucked under one elbow if we were just walking.

    I guess following basic gun safety tenets (like muzzle awareness) wasn't something "men" did when you were a kid.

    And low-ready is faster to the shoulder, because sometimes "men" need to actually shoot at something that might shoot back.

    Jesus, never expected to see a fucking Fudd here.

  • Duke||

    You sound like you’re really tough...on the internet.

    As a long time shooter and hunter, and who sold guns for many years, and who has more experience with guns than most here, his point is that city police don’t need to carry their weapons in a combat ready position.

    When the National Guard took over New Orleans after Katrina, they were ordered at one point not to carry their weapons in low-ready because it intimidated the people. They slung their weapons over their shoulder. That’s not Fudd, that’s simply respectful to the people who they serve.

  • Redmanfms||

    As a long time shooter and hunter, and who sold guns for many years, and who has more experience with guns than most here

    Snort, yeah gunshop workers are renowned for their firearms knowledge.

    ...his point is that city police don’t need to carry their weapons in a combat ready position.

    Oh really?

    That's clearly not the point I extrapolated. It read like, "The kids don't do things the way WE did them, when men were MEN." Given his use of "men" with nary a mention of police anywhere in his statement it read like a blanket condemnation of a more effective and safer method of carrying a longarm.

    But I guess your clairvoyant on top of being an unassailable expert on firearms, huh tuffgai?

    That’s not Fudd, that’s simply respectful to the people who they serve.

    Yup, I know I feel "respected" when some asshat unintentionally points a fucking rifle at me.

    I'd feel a whole lot more respected if law enforcement didn't walk around like NYC is Fallujah '04, but whatever floats your boat tuffgai.

  • Duke||

    I think we actually agree dude. I don’t think cops should be militarized at all. Nor do I think National Guard should be used against the people as heavy duty law enforcement. Meaning, no M-4s or MP-5s. I guess I took offense when you characterized someone who carries a sporting shotgun or rifle in a standard fashion “unsafe" or “fudd like.” You cannot carry that fine Beretta O/U in a 3 point tactical sling. And you’d look like an ass doing it. I totally understand carrying your weapon in combat readiness when you’re actually in combat. But cops aren’t in combat. So maybe we actually do agree. The only people I’ve ever know to have a gun accidents were two cops who shot themselves in the hands with their own service weapons.

  • Redmanfms||

    I guess I took offense when you characterized someone who carries a sporting shotgun or rifle in a standard fashion “unsafe" or “fudd like.”

    Carrying a rifle "horizontally across the waist or hips" is unsafe. It violates a basic firearms safety tenent, muzzle awareness.

    And his "Errmagerd, the kids don't carry guns like we did what when men was MEN" bullshit is a very Fudd attitude.

    You cannot carry that fine Beretta O/U in a 3 point tactical sling.

    You can still carry it low-ready while walking and high-ready when expecting flush so you don't end up pointing it at somebody.

    3-point slings suck for everything anyway. Quick-adjustable 2-point FTW.

    And you’d look like an ass doing it.

    For me, my appearance is not a primary concern when carrying a deadly weapon.

    So maybe we actually do agree.

    We agree insofar as militarization of police.

    However, if they are carrying longarms (even an old pump shotgun) they should be carrying them in a safe manner, not like Deputy Fife, e.g. "horizontally across the waist or hips."

  • CE||

    Muzzle awareness was the first thing we learned. Never point your gun at anything you don't plan to shoot. We lived in the woods, so you could carry a gun without a target in every direction.

    It makes sense for a soldier in an urban area to carry that way, but not for a cop on patrol.

  • Redmanfms||

    Muzzle awareness was the first thing we learned. Never point your gun at anything you don't plan to shoot. We lived in the woods, so you could carry a gun without a target in every direction.

    Oh, so you knew for certain there was nothing off to your left or right? Ok.

    You learned muzzle awareness and then promptly violated it because that was "how guns was carried what when men was men."

    It makes sense for a soldier in an urban area to carry that way, but not for a cop on patrol.

    So cops aren't usually patrolling urban areas?

  • Let Me Ride||

    I wonder what it feels like to be a Black police officer in Bloomberg's NYC.

  • Let Me Ride||

    The fact that Michael Bloomberg is wealthy is a fairly strong argument against capitalism, it must be noted.

  • Calidissident||

    Alt-text is so true, so awful, yet so hilarious!

  • The Late P Brooks||

    "No military organization or paramilitary runs where you have confusion in the command structure. You just cannot have that. Lives are on the line," he said in a question-and-answer session with reporters.

    Using a state militia as his personal army to keep the darkies in line; George Wallace and Lester Maddox would approve.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    This is basic stuff. You'd think Bloomberg would know it.

    The law is what Bloomberg says it is.

  • mr lizard||

    7th largest army in the world eh? Well why don't you run it down to Virginia to shut down all those illegal gun stores player? Why don't you live tweet that ass stompin while you're

  • gaijin||

    truly, that comment from Bloomberg, more than anything else he might say, reveals who he truly is.

  • Let Me Ride||

    holy shit, this is the greatest comment there ever has been or will be on Hit 'n Run. THANK YOU.

  • perlhaqr||

    Well. That's because Bloomberg is a loser. A serious, Grade A Pussy. He doesn't have the balls. He's... yeller.

    BAWK BAWK BAWK BAWK!

    That's right, Bloomberg, I'm callin' you a goddamn chicken.

  • An0nB0t||

    As a great man once noted, all billionaires are crazy.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Aren't there some rebels in New York we could convince John McCain to arm?

  • General Butt Naked||

    You stoopid bastard.

    We spy on Americans and give Al Queda guns to keep Americans safe from Al Queda. You've got it all backwards, bet you didn't even go to Yale.

  • ||

    I knew Bloomberg felt like this--I have called the NYPD the mayor's personal army many times--but the fact that he thought it was OK to say it out loud is...insane. Just a statement like that should get him removed from office, though I sadly doubt the city council has enough juice any more.

  • Rhywun||

    The city council is about to watch one of their own ascend to the throne - and then we will really see the crazy fly.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Oh, and Riggs proved once and for all that he is not getting too old for this shit with that alt text.

  • Render Unto Caesar||

    A reference to "military" or "paramilitary" implies that there is an enemy you are fighting. Tell me, Bloomturd, who is your enemy?

  • LTC(ret) John||

    ALL WHO WILL NOT BEND THE KNEE!

  • Meerkatx||

    He's preparing for the invasion of or by Texas.

  • Render Unto Caesar||

    I just realized the enemy is prepubescent black twins. Thanks for the bad ass and informative alt text, Riggs.

  • Rhywun||

    I remember when Office Friendlies looked like Barney Fife rather than these goons.

  • Rhywun||

    Aighh - "Officer"

  • ||

    Bullshit! It wouldn't provide the NYPD/Bloomberg with a "moral"
    compass. It would provide them LEGAL OVERSIGHT. This isn't a moral issue. The NYPD is, apparently, breaking the law/constitution. Let's not talk about morality. It's a clear cut, bright line LEGAL issue. Either they are breaking the law (most likely) or they are not. And if they aren't, they deserve oversight,sanction, etc.

    Bloomberg is a horse's ass. He thinks he is above the law. It's fucking disgusting.

  • ||

    Correction. And if they ARE (breaking THE LAW) they deserve...

    I live, breathe, eat, sleep, and work rule of law and it fucking disgusts me that this petty emperor thinks that it doesn't apply to him. It does. The 4th amendment means something. It doesn't mean the best results or process morally; this isn't a moral issue. It sets a basic set of rules/legal structure wherein law enforcement is limited in its behavior. And any petty emperor piece of shit police chief/mayor who thinks their "army" (barf) is ABOVE the law needs to be fucking bitch-slapped down a notch because NO police force is above the law and the 4th amendment is the law we live under goddamnit.

    Bloomberg never ceases to piss me off!

  • Redmanfms||

    The 4th amendment means something.

    Holy shit, that's rich.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    OK, Bloomie - I get the ILARNG, you get yer Boys in Blue.

    15 minutes and your "army" is gone.

    Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, Bloomberg is fast losing what tiny shreds of mooring to the real world he once had.

  • ||

    oh, and again with the bullshit race card crap.

    Yet again, ANY evidence that bloomtard's minions stop and frisk in a manner inconsistent with offender rates by race as per victim surveys (NCVS)? Oh yea, I thought not. Unsupported by statistics, bullshit

  • Calidissident||

    That's not the point. Offender rates are irrelevant when we're talking about a program like stop and frisk. The point is that race alone should not be sufficient reason for a search, and the vast majority of these searches reveal that the black and Hispanic guys being searched are not doing anything illegal (not to mention all the stuff they can get caught for that shouldn't be illegal). Way to miss the point

  • ||

    No, the point is that as long as stop and frisk rates roughly mirror offender rates, the argument that cops are racist is laughable.

    Way to miss the point

  • Meerkatx||

    If you stop and frisk mostly minorities it would make sense that crime statistics would reflect your policy more than fact.

    It's a pretty easy stat to skew.

  • ||

    No, it's not.

    NCVS is a crime stat based on interview of crime VICTIMS, not cops. Iow, they interview victims and ask about demographics of their offenders. and guess what? There is racial and gender disparity, almost exactly equal to the disparity seen in terry stops.

    This is something even Jesse Jackson concedes.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to skew because it is not based on criminal justice stats, but is based on interview of crime victims. I have posted the link at least a half dozen times. Google it. NCVS and DOJ.

    Game, set, match

  • LarryA||

    NYPD has something like 35,000 sworn officers.
    There are about 700,000 New York hunters.

  • JSebastian||

    I think Bloomberg watches Bluebloods, and has been driven into a fit of Napoleonic hysteria and rage by Tom Selleck's virile mustache and sheer stature.

    Rumor has it he tried to buy the show from the network, wanting to call it "Broombloods", and replacing Selleck with actor/crooner Paul Simon.

  • MisterDamage||

    It looks to me as if Bloomberg doesn't understand the command structure of the United States Government. It think he wants to be treated like a separate sovereign nation rather than a local government subject to state and federal law. If a southern city tried that, it would be called "secessionist"

  • ||

    Again, if the cops were racist, stop and frisk stats wouldn't mirror NCVS stats - NCVS stats are the demographics (race, gender, etc.) as reported by crime VICTIMS, not cops.

  • ||

    BJS statistics, based on interview of crime VICTIMS, not cops

    website says word too long to post cite, just google NCVS and DOJ and you will be directed to NCVS

  • perlhaqr||

    Bringing in an outside body--one tasked with making sure the department respects the constitutional rights of New Yorkers--would provide the department with a much needed moral compass.

    An outside body from the Federal Government.

    What, are you fucking stupid?

  • Respect||

    "No military organization or paramilitary runs where you have confusion in the command structure"

    I'm with the mayor about the military and command structure.

    Our dear Feminists in Congress just tampered with the command structure in the military last week and passed the Military Improvement Act of 2013...bad, bad, bad.

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