Fools’ Rally Ends; Ron Paul’s Peak; Payroll Tax Cut, and More: Reason Evening Links

Stock market battles reality: Stocks slump throughout the day as global debt mismanagement grinds on. Dow Jones Industrial Average has a minor correction. Current DJIA number.

Obama’s weird GOP outreach. President Obama’s re-election campaign asks supporter[s] to cough up contact info on known Republican friends. The campaign’s stated goal of letting donors "have a little fun at the expense of a Republican in your life by letting them know they inspired you to make a donation to the Obama campaign" sounds like half the story. Given how few of this administration’s policies the current Republican Party could honestly object to, it wouldn’t be surprising if Obama were hoping to poach some voters. 

"We have to try Islamic rule to be able to decide if it’s good for us," 60-year-old voter tells AP as Egyptians turn out for second round of parliamentary elections. Islamic parties gained big numbers in the first round of post-Mubarak voting last month.

"In political terms, it probably means we're peaking at the right time," Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) says as a new Public Policy Polling survey shows him one point behind Newt Gingrich and five points ahead of Mitt Romney. 

Because who’s a better judge of art than a labor union? White Shadow-led Screen Actors Guild releases this year’s nominees [pdf] for its eponymous prize. Did you know that a movie has a cast but a TV show has an ensemble? That television can be subdivided into "comedy" and "drama" but there can only be one best theatrical release? 
Best cast, motion picture: The Artist, Bridesmaids, The Desendants, The Help, Midnight In Paris
Best ensemble, TV drama: Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, Dexter, Game of Thrones, The Good Wife.

Payroll tax cut out where the woodbine twineth: Senate Democrats want to vote now on extending payroll tax treatment that passed the House yesterday; Senate Republicans are trying to delay a vote that would probably end in a defeat for the measure. Democrats’ opposition is odd given that the payroll tax bill also extends unemployment benefits, making it the perfect Washington compromise: Revenue doesn’t go up, but spending does. 

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  • Spoonman.||

    So glad I stop-lossed everything when the Europe rally happened two weeks ago.

  • ||

    Yes, I cashed out last Monday too. That run was just obvious mass stupidity. The whole thing was based on two meaningless things: "Europeans set up a committee to pretend to fix their debt" and "government unemployment numbers pretend to drop." To the marginally observant, the pretense should not have been surprising.

    My former portfolio is down 10%.

  • -||

    Most serious investors have longer than a one-week horizon.

  • ||

    Ken Howard is running SAG? Huh.

    About that Obama "tweaking" Republicans nonsense. I don't care what the motive, it's obnoxious. And it won't work at all. In fact, if I were on the GOP margins, a letter like that might put me over.

  • ||

    Yeah, I had to read that twice. Super creepy.

  • ||

    I mean, I thought he was a good basketball coach, but I'm not sure how well that translates to running a union.

  • ||

    He's the Jerry Sandusky of basketball.

  • ||

    What are you suggesting? He never touched Coolidge that way!

  • ||

    You were always willfully blind to this, ProL. It's so sad.

  • ||

    That's not true! I reported everything to Mr. Woodman!

  • ||

    Maybe you should have gone to Mrs. Buchanan instead.

  • ||

    That bitch? Never. She always had it out for Coach Reeves and the Sweathogs.

  • ||

    Maybe she had a good reason to distrust Coach Sandus...I mean Reeves.

  • ||

    By the way, ProL, it was Mr. Kotter who had the Sweathogs.

  • ||

    Were you even alive when that show was on? I bet you also are going to tell me that Mr. Kotter's wife wasn't Lt. Dish.

    Horseshack's ball-handling skills were awesome, too.

  • Spoonman.||

    Episiarch is old as fuck, by which I mean, he's in his 40s.

  • ||

    I'm in my 40s, and I'm pretty sure he's younger than me.

  • ||

    Incorrect, Spoonman. I may be getting close, but I am not.

  • robc||

    They let KITT run the union for a while.

  • ||

    You mean the car computer? I've heard SAG's been after more technology-related residuals, but I didn't know they were actually employing computers.

  • ||

    It's not a computer. It is a Knight Industries 2000. It's so much more than just a "computer".

    Such ignorance, ProL.

  • ||

    I never saw the new show, but didn't Val Kilmer provide the voice?

    Really, we need to intervene and save Val, so that he can make good movies again. Next up, Top Secret 2.

  • ||

    I don't know if he can be saved. I prefer to remember him as he was in the before-time; that is, in the time before Alexander.

  • ||

    For Latter-Day Val, I did like him in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, but that was more Val-Lite.

    He can be saved. We have the technology. And it's a moral imperative.

  • robc||

    Maybe it was John Adams that was running SAG. I get the two confused.

  • Mike M.||

    If this world class douche is now seriously considering spamming people with unsolicited e-mails, he'd better give them a way to opt out, otherwise I'm thinking this is a potential class-action lawsuit in the making.

  • ||

    I'm sure CAN-SPAM doesn't apply to Ospama.

  • Brett L||

    I have got to stop trolling Kickstarter when I'm bored at work. I'm going to end up with a shitload of overpriced gadgets with all sorts of early adopter bugs. However, the one thing I've supported on there that wasn't a literary project has been high quality win.

  • T||

    You do that too? I don't buiy off very often, though. I'll wait on my flashlights before I jump off on another project.

  • Brett L||

    The coffee joulies are tits. I'm in for a printrbot and a PID controlled espresso machine, too. Both are cheaper than market alternatives but not cheap. There were only about 18 other shiny things I almost funded, too.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    Twine is cool.

  • Colin||

    Maybe Obama wants all those addresses so he knows whom to arrest before the election.

  • ||

    Election? That's going to have to be suspended due to the crisis.

  • yonemoto||

    to be honest, they said that about GWB, too.

  • ||

    It's more crisisy now.

  • Brett L||

    Sword-wielding Bin Laden hunter jailed for possessing a firearm and being a felon. Actually, he was arrested for Disrespect of Cop

    "Then it got ugly, according to Walsh: Faulkner 'said he would use the Detective’s gun to protect himself if he had to and even threatened to shoot police officers if it was necessary to protect himself.' That ensured he was arrested the next day, and charged with possession of a weapon by a previous offender, a class-six felony. (In other words, barely a felony; convictions typically carry a jail sentence of a year.)"

  • Viscount Auh20||

    So, anime is weird...

  • Tman||

    In case you needed another reason not to watch the CBS cop-drama remake of Hawaii 5-0, here is one more.

    Hawaii Five-0 Crew Disgraceful To WWII Pearl Harbor Survivors

    Having been in the news business nearly 22 years, I understand how the crew was just doing a job and there's big money involved. Shows have to be shot, actors coddled and issues down to rain and daylight come into play. And then, there's common sense and respect.

    It would have been an issue if all 24 veterans and 10 staff had come near their "set" (again, on tops of graves of fallen soldiers) and were loud and in the way. Instead, it was just one or two that went to see the on-location production. They didn’t speak, and of course were much friendlier than I was. However, I know many of them were upset. I also thought about the tax incentives this production much receive from taxpayers!

    Perhaps you side with the production team, simply trying to film a scene at an historic location. Regardless, I hope I've conveyed how this is just how it is at the end of 2011: people, often consistently, do not show their elders the proper respect they deserve. Of all the weeks of the year – Pearl Harbor week – where fewer than 200 arrived on Oahu for their final goodbye, this was the time for CBS, Hawaii Five-O and the average American to rise up and go the extra mile to accommodate these men. To show respect. To say thank you.
  • CE||

    Yeah, but what about Grace Park?

  • Sandi||

    I took a shit in Grace Park once.

  • El Commentariosa||

    we missed you! where have you been?

  • BakedPenguin||

    I tried to occupy her. No such luck.

    We are the 99%!

  • Steffan Tubbs||

    Thank you for pointing this episode out. It is important to always remember The Greatest Generation and honor them with every resource we can muster. And though the producers for H5O have apologized, I have now deemed the apology as insincere. The Greatest Generation deserves more respect than an apology. Afterall the Greatest Generation fought not for fame and recognition, but because it was the right thing to do. When they came back from war they rebuilt America into a superpower. And another thing about The Greatest Generation, they are really great. People from those other (not The Greatest) generations like The Silent Generation, Baby Boomers, and Gen X'ers can suck it! You don't have half the balls The Greatest Generation has. If you were to face a real war like WWII, you'd probably poop in your pants and we'd all be eating weinerschnitzel right now. Cause you other generations are fags! The Greatest Generation is The Greatest Generation ever, period, end of story. Shit, Tom Brokaw wrote a fucking book about the Greates Generation. Do any of you pansy generations have books about you? No? Why do you think that is? Probably because you are a bunch of dewy eyed milquetoasts who would rather send snarky tweets about your boyfriend instead of showing proper respect to The Greatest Generation. Now listen up you pantywaists, this is The Greatest Generation calling and we demand you apologize in a sincere manner. In conclusion, Greatest Genereation Greatest Genereation Greatest Genereation Greatest Genereation Greatest Genereation.

  • ||

    It is important to always remember The Greatest Generation were the mother fuckers that grew the welfare state.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    A+ would read again.

  • Tman||

    I agree that the "Greatest Generation" crap is overplayed, but how can you possibly defend this? Who is the idiot who scheduled the shoot ON THE DAY OF ANNIVERSARY OF PEARL HARBOR knowing full well that there would probably some kind of services going on?

    Would it make any difference if this was done to a Vietnam memorial during a solemn service for fallen comrades?

    The fact that people are even PRETENDING to defend these jerks from CBS is pathetic.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Who is the idiot who scheduled the shoot ON THE DAY OF ANNIVERSARY OF PEARL HARBOR knowing full well that there would probably some kind of services going on?

    Probably some government employee blockhead at The Department of Veterans Affairs, who approves and schedules film/TV production in our National Cemetaries.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    A Denverite I see...so what name do you normally post under?

  • ||

    SAG has "female actors" and "male actors."

    Nothing wrong with "actress." English as she is spoke is a very rich language with a history we should embrace and celebrate, not water down with flimsy PC.

  • Viscount Auh20||

    What about the ones who refuse to conform to the gender binary, huh?

  • yonemoto||

    They shall be emales.

  • Suki||

    It all comes back to Maobama on this thread.

  • ||

    Plus any "best ensemble" list that doesn't include "Community" is about as meaningful as a Bill Clinton promise.

  • Viscount Auh20||

    Seriously, in a few years when Alison Brie, Danny Pudi, and Donald Glover are all making hit films, we will all look back on that show and go, "How the fuck was this not a bigger thing?"

  • sailor||

    B/C Community isn't all that funny?

  • tarran||

    Philistine!

  • robc||

  • ||

    Oh good, for awhile there, I was under the impression that I was the only one who thought that.

  • Mystery Regular||

    not only do i not like Community, but I also feel Bad Teacher was the best movie I've seen this year. A heart breaking story of a woman who was filled with an inner flame and an inspiring ambition only to see it doused and her dreams crushed beneath the wheel of the educational system.

  • Viscount Auh20||

    Well, Banjos, I can see you don't want cheering up. C'mon Donny, let's get us a lane.

  • Cliché Bandit||

    SHUT THE FUCK UP DONNY!

  • ||

    Community is like a piece of Baklava: sweet, nutty, and with many fine layers.

  • ||

    Don't let all the haters make you feel like you have to explain the show, Joe. Community needs no explanation.

  • sailor||

    Well no it doesn't. If humor needs to be explained it probably isn't that funny to begin with. Anyway, Community has made me laugh but not nearly as much as it should considering the love it gets. Shrug different strokes...

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    I have never seen one minute of Community, and I know that it's a travesty that Dexter is on there and Community is not.

  • Viscount Auh20||

    Is anyone else excited for the Inspector Spacetime Chanukah special?

  • MJGreen||

    It's the best ensemble nod for Dexter that really gets me.

    Do they not watch the shows or something? I don't get riled up over unions, but this is proof enough that labor unions are unambiguously evil.

  • sailor||

    I thought actress was the pc term and anyone who gave a damn about language said actor?

  • ||

    Like commenters and commentresses.

  • ||

    cunts and cuntresses?

  • ||

    I think that's cuntatrix.

  • Abe Lincoln||

    Miss Uhura, you are a fine negress.

  • ||

    English belongs in a museum next to flint arrowheads and chariot wheels. Lojban is where it's at.

  • Mike M.||

    I can't wait to see if these democrat scumbags have truly become so psychotic that they're willing to kill the payroll tax extension and unemployment benefits in order to delay the pipeline, which is going to eventually get built one way or another.

    I don't believe that even these degenerates have the balls to take it that far in the end, but part of me is hoping that they do.

  • ||

    They have the balls and they will do it because they know the MSM will parrot Harry Reid's assertion that the Republicans killed the bill.

  • ||

    You know, at least Nero didn't actually fiddle (or play the lyre) while Rome was burning.

  • Viscount Auh20||

    Honestly, we are getting to the point where the greens will rip the Democrats apart. These are UNION jobs that they are blocking. Also, the people who want more social programs will eventually realize that the economic growth that the greens hate is needed to grow the welfare state.

  • yonemoto||

    Stock market battles reality

    Hm, saw this coming, sitting on shares of SMDD, bought in during height of "euro crisis resolution" euphoria. The cynic wins, for a change! Let's see if I don't lose my gains before I cash out.

    http://www.google.com/finance?q=SMDD

  • Roner||

    Gotta love the libertarian wet dream that the stock market collapses will bring on Galt's Gulch. There was a segment of the Republican party that had similar thoughts in the late 1920s; how did that work out for them?

  • Destrudo||

    Yawn

  • yonemoto||

    ? I think libertarians are more afraid that stock market collapses will bring on the regulate and protect state, dude. I'm just trying to save a piece of my hide on the way down.

  • tarran||

    Since the 'liquidationists' had no political power in the face of the Hoover/Roosevelt New Deal, they sat on the sidelines while the people who wanted to keep stock prices high fucked the economy into a 18 year depression.

    The historical ignorance of progressives is oft incredible.

  • ||

    What a unique spelling of boner! I tip my hat to your mother.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Roner,

    There was a segment of the Republican party that had similar thoughts in the late 1920s; how did that work out for them?


    There is a segment of your brain that is missing - the one that handles thinking.

  • Roner||

    Yeah, cause I don't feel like finding out what percentage of Americans will be unemployed if Dow goes back down under 7000! But keep going on about ending the fed and the gold standard.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    It makes me laugh when I hear Progressives worship the Dow. It really is cargo-cultism writ large.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    And I now hate myself for being trolled by Jim's latest lark.

  • R||

    Jim's spoofs are too damn good. How can we be certain he isn't actually one of them?

  • ||

    It amazes me that they rail against everything Wall Street AND demand that the govt do whatever it takes to keep Wall Street in the money. Reminds me of a cuckold I know.

  • ||

    ..finding out what percentage of Americans will be unemployed if Dow goes back down under 7000!

    But we know for sure how many jobs were saved by dow 12,000?

  • ||

    How many jobs are there in the U.S.? Because there's your answer!

  • Brock Samson||

    Kid, seriously?

  • ||

    The growth of Federal criminal convictions:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....nteractive

  • Paul||

    Imagine what happens when talking on your cell becomes a federal crime?

  • Pip||

    That is scarry.

  • Pip||

    -1 r

  • SWAT Team||

    No, you had it right the first time.

  • ||

    That article made me physically ill. I fucking hate environmentalists. If you tried to fix the CWA, those scumbags would have a fit.

    And where the fuck is our first black rainbow puppy loving President? How about pardoning that guy? I hate our government.

  • Suki||

    And where the fuck is our first black rainbow puppy loving President?

    Admiring his daughter's new journalism career.

  • ||

    If drugs were legalized, federal crime would be reduced by just under 30%.

    If both drugs and immigration were legalized federal crime would be reduced by just under 65%.

  • H man||

    There are about 4000 some federal laws. What makes you think that ending some laws means they'll stop prosecuting people for the laws still on the books.

  • Hobie Hanson||

    And state crime would go up by 40%.

  • Suki||

    Immigration is legal.

  • Sparky||

    Barbara Boxer says "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!"

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Sparky,

    Barbara Boxer says "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!"


    Oh, stop it! She didn't say that! No, she said that the rest of us are going to die. Not her.

  • Brett L||

    Occupods stay classy.

    "Occupy Portland Mom Places 4-Year-Old Daughter On Train Tracks During Protest To Shut Down Port of Portland"

    Just because people can breed, doesn't mean they should.

  • Paul||

    So Portlandia is real, then?

  • ||

    Have you ever been to Portland? Yes, it's real.

  • Paul||

    Yeah, I didn't pay much attention to the local culture at the time. I was busy marveling at their cheap restaraunt prices. But I usually just try to avoid that street level train that everyone outside of Portland thinks is such a success.

    Have you ever notice that the train just 'lurks'? You don't hear it, and then suddenly you look over and it's just... there.

  • ||

    Yeah, the streetcar is very quiet...too quiet. I hear it runs on pure evil. But it's Portland evil, which really is only about Sir Simon Milligan level evil.

    "Now we're cooking with evil gas!"

  • sailor||

    Now there's some funny for you.

  • Paul||

    It runs on the blood of the innocent-- Lotus was just attempting to refuel it.

  • ||

    I drove through Oregon, and I still can't get over the fact that it's illegal to pump your own gas there. Talk about some nanny state, jobs program bullshit.

  • ||

    It is the same in New Jersey.

  • Paul||

    Perhaps some kind of 'occupy the gas pumps' movement is in order.

  • twenty-something||

    Yeah, I noticed that this past summer! What the heck is wrong with people in Oregon (and New Jersey for that matter).

  • Paul||

    And her name is "Lotus".

    *facepalm*

  • ||

    Anagram? O Slut.

  • Paul||

    Slut-o.

  • ||

    Or Slut-o, yes.

  • ||

    Louts.

  • ||

    U Slot.

  • Paul||

    Tu-Slo

  • ||

    From a very young age the child learns the true meaning of "for the greater good".

  • Destrudo||

    Gonna need a bigger 4-year old to stop a train.

  • Brett L||

    If only the ports were run by old robber-baron style libertarian fatcats.

    "More steam in the boiler!"

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    "Occupy Portland Mom Places 4-Year-Old Daughter On Train Tracks During Protest To Shut Down Port of Portland"

    And they called Republicans "economic terrorists." This is Terrorist Tactic 101.

  • ||

    Don't worry, the social workers at Portland DCFS are going to be all over this.

  • ||

    I guess that seemingly contrived moral dilemma wasn't so contrived after all.

    One of the classic techniques used to measure a person’s willingness to behave in a utilitarian way is known as trolleyology. The subject of the study is challenged with thought experiments involving a runaway railway trolley or train carriage. All involve choices, each of which leads to people’s deaths. For example: there are five railway workmen in the path of a runaway carriage. The men will surely be killed unless the subject of the experiment, a bystander in the story, does something. The subject is told he is on a bridge over the tracks. Next to him is a big, heavy stranger. The subject is informed that his own body would be too light to stop the train, but that if he pushes the stranger onto the tracks, the stranger’s large body will stop the train and save the five lives. That, unfortunately, would kill the stranger.
  • Paul||

    "We have to try Islamic rule to be able to decide if it’s good for us," 60-year-old voter tells AP as Egyptians turn out for second round of parliamentary elections. Islamic parties gained big numbers in the first round of post-Mubarak voting last month.

    When marching in the street to depose a tyrant... oh fuck it.

  • ChrisO||

    Easy for him to say. He's not going to be the one who's forced to walk around all day in a black tent with eye holes in it.

  • Paul||

    My understanding... and this is just my understanding... but I hear-tell that once you try Islamic rule, it's very difficult-- more difficult than average-- to untry it.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    "Once you go Barakah you never go back-a"

  • Cliché Bandit||

    He sure as fuck was a lot better than Johnny Cage. I am a Scorpian man myself and when I get annoyed I default to Sub Zero.

  • Old Mexican||

    "We have to try Islamic rule to be able to decide if it’s good for us," 60-year-old voter tells AP as Egyptians turn out for second round of parliamentary elections. Islamic parties gained big numbers in the first round of post-Mubarak voting last month.


    Same with suicide - how can one judge the value of it if one does not try, right?

    And people call me a bigot when I point out that Islam is very regressive...

  • .||

    And people call me a bigot when I point out that Islam is very regressive...

    Jesus, lighten up martyr.

  • ||

    Right, because only Westerners are allowed to make mistakes on the road to democracy.

    Egypt doesn't have any slaves and isn't killing brown people to take their land, so they're a few rungs above where the US was in 1776. Give them some time.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    Right, because only Westerners are allowed to make mistakes on the road to democracy.


    Shoot, you got me there, Tulpa. There was nothing more typically Western than voting in a theocracy, just to try it out.

    Egypt doesn't have any slaves


    Say whaaaaaaat???

  • ||

    Your link goes to an article about a guy who doesn't have any slaves but would like to get some. It doesn't say anything about slavery actually existing in Egypt.

  • ||

    There was nothing more typically Western than voting in a theocracy, just to try it out.

    I guess Cromwell's reign as Lord Protector of the Realm never happened in your world.

    And I didn't say the West screwed up in exactly the way Egyptians are going to screw up. I just said the West is hypocritical for insisting that people shouldn't be allowed democracy until they're going to vote in the sort of tolerant government that you'd find in the EU or the US.

  • CE||

    Ron Paul's peak will be in the later, Western primaries, just like it was in 2008. Only this time, instead of coming in second or third with 20 percent of the vote, he will be winning them and clinching the nomination.

  • ||

    Stocks slump because Fed continues to screw up.

    http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=12283

  • ||

    President Obama’s re-election campaign asks supporter[s] to cough up contact info on known Republican friends.

    He obviously wants to let them know what an eeeeeeeexcellent job he has done of following through on GWB's initiatives. It's like he never left!

  • ||

    Harry Reid should be tarred and feathered and then doused with corn ethanol and burned at the stake

    That is all.

  • ||

    Can you suggest a time that's good for you? Because I'm pretty flexible.

  • Paul||

    Eliminationist rhetoric!

  • ||

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

  • Brett L||

    OTOH, think how much worse the country would be if the Senate had a capable person running it.

  • Roner||

    So ridiculous that Ron Paul could win in Iowa. You libertarians just don't get it -- we have to elect someone who can actually win, not a guy who just doesn't appeal to most Americans (and who everyone will find a reason to dislike). Newt isn't the best candidate, but he would destroy Obama in the debates just like he is destroying Ron Paul and Romney now! He is probably the only one who stands a chance.

  • Destrudo||

    I don't have to do anything. At this point, if the best we can do is keep electing another typical statist pol from the 2-party hegemony...well, I'd sooner see complete collapse of the government and economy. I'll vote my conscience, thanks. If I vote at all.

  • Roner||

    Yeah, let's just take the country into a nosedive so we can save it! How much fun will it be when Ron Paul energizes the democrat base to get out and vote for Obama and take back congress? Nancy Pelosi will be out for blood this time around.

  • Destrudo||

    A great admiral once said "It's not enough to survive, you have to be worthy of survival."

  • Chatroom Crank||

    I thought Obama, Newt, Mitt, etc. were the ones taking the country into a nosedive. A vote for anyone but Ron Paul is a vote for more war.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    Nice try, Jimbo.

  • ||

    The debates are overrated. Everyone knows Obama is an idiot and incompetent. I would love to see someone step on his face and humiliate him in a debate. But that is just my emotion. Rationally, there is no need to do that. In fact doing it might make Obama seem sympathetic. Newt's debating skills don't buy him anything.

    And Gingrich has God only knows how many skeletons in his closet. The guy had no judgment and handed the sword to his enemies to run him out of being speaker. The Obama slime machine has got to be chomping at the bit at the thought of going after a guy with the low self control that Gingrich has.

    Lastly, Gingrich is completely inconsistent. He really doesn't seem to believe in anything but the sound of his own voice. And frankly seems a bit nuts.

  • .||

    Amazing how often you make complete sense.

  • ||

    If we had a troll debate, Tony would destroy Hobie and Max.

  • BakedPenguin||

    How would you do?

  • ||

    That hurts.

    I would volunteer to moderate, though. Especially if I had a Steve Wilko type to handle any extracurricular activity.

  • Fluffy||

    A Gingrich Presidency would be worse than a second Obama term.

    As it stands, every possible roadblock will be thrown in the way of Obamacare's implementation, and there is effectively a 0% chance of a carbon tax passing the Congress.

    These two things are true because as long as a Democrat is President, the Republicans in Congress will fight both these things to their last breath.

    If Gingrich becomes President, he will probably decide he wants to keep "the good parts" of Obamacare (including the individual mandate) and that he still wants a carbon tax. And enough Republicans in Congress will go along with him to "be loyal to the President" that he'll get his way.

    It will be like Bush getting McCain-Feingold passed all over again. There was NO WAY a Democrat President would ever - EVER - get McCain-Feingold through the Senate. It took a Republican President to do that.

  • Bruce Majors||

    Dick Morris, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity all escalated their attacks on Ron Paul today.

    At 5 pm today the American Spectator's house Paul trasher, Jeffrey Lord, will be on Hannity to discuss the Ron Paul newsletters.

  • ||

    Bring it on.

  • ||

    Wow, I must be Nostradamus or something.

    Are the resident Paul worshippers going to still say the newsletters are old news after RP crashes and burns because of them?

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    nonononono - ask OM, there is nothing to see here, move along folks.

  • robc||

    He wont crash and burn.

    And they are old news. How the fuck is a 15 year old story not fucking old news?

  • ||

    It's not only old news, it's also indirect slime, and there's not other evidence at all that Paul is a racist.

    Paul's biggest problem is that he's not willing to play war games overseas. That's going to lose him votes, even in the general.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Pro Libertate,

    It's not only old news, it's also indirect slime, and there's not other evidence at all that Paul is a racist.


    This is evident, Pro. However you still have a few posting here frothing at the mouth at the prospect of a failed campaign despite the obviousness of the slime-fest. I don't think it is mere delusion - there's something else behind such hatred for Paul.

  • ||

    Assuming he didn't write the newsletters, he's still got the problem of explaining why he was associating with racists. This ain't no mere campaign donation we're talking about, this is lending out your fucking name.

    Plus there's the question of whether someone who had such poor judgement as to lend out his name to racists and not keep track of what they were publishing, can be trusted with the office of president. Now, I don't think any of the candidates running are particularly trustworthy, so it's not an issue for me, but for the average voter it will be.

  • robc||

    A few articles with racist comments does not mean he was associating with or lending his name to racists.

    It means that people who he was associating with or lending his name to made a few racist comments.

    And there is a difference.

    It was like Ron Paul & KKK newsletter. Those comments were a tiny, tiny fraction of the total content.

    He did a piss poor job of keeping track of what was going out under his name, but you are entirely misrepresenting it.

  • ||

    I'm not misrepresenting anything. Point to something I've said about the RPSR that's not true or misleading.

    So your contention is that they were non-racists who made racist comments? That's not much better, and until RP identifies who wrote them, we can't judge whether that's the case anyway.

    If it's such a non-story, then it wouldn't hurt for RP to identify the writers.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    So your contention is that they were non-racists who made racist comments?


    No, his contention is that just because someone wrote a few sentences that can be construed as racist does not mean he associates with racists - you're committing a fallacy, T.

    If it's such a non-story, then it wouldn't hurt for RP to identify the writers.


    This is typical Marxist stuff: "you have nothing to hide, so rat on them for us."

    It would hurt the person that wrote that stuff. He has to come forward, by himself, not being ratted out by Paul.

  • ||

    If you write racist comments as if they are true, you are either a racist or a liar.

    If you print and mail out racist comments that someone else wrote, you are either a racist or a liar.

    RP was associating with at least one person involved in that process.

  • ||

    This is typical Marxist stuff: "you have nothing to hide, so rat on them for us."

    If your car is spotted by multiple witnesses sitting outside a bank while a bank robbery was going on, and then driving away with the bank robbers inside, and then the next day the cops come to your house and the same car is sitting in your driveway.... you better be forthcoming about who you lent your car to, or else you're going to jail.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    Assuming he didn't write the newsletters,


    Wait - is that a 'hypothetical' as well, Tulpa?

    Because if you didn't know before now, then I have news for you: HE DIDN'T write those newsletters.

    he's still got the problem of explaining why he was associating with racists.


    Are you insane, Tulpa? What the hell is wrong with you? Havin ONE person write some offensive sentences does NOT MEAN Paul associated himself with "racists."

  • ||

    I mean, BO got a hard time just for sitting in a church while the pastor said some questionable things, none of which rose to the level of the shit in the RPSR. Imagine if BO let Jeremiah Wright print newsletters called the Obama God Damn America Report.

  • robc||

    Imagine if BO let Jeremiah Wright print newsletters called the Obama God Damn America Report.

    I was typing my response above as you were typing this.

    Your analogies fucking suck. As I pointed out above, it wasnt the Ron Paul death to darkie newsletter.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    I mean, BO got a hard time just for sitting in a church while the pastor said some questionable things,


    BO could've stand up and leave any time he wanted, T. HE DIDN"T. He hasn't repudiated anything Wright said.

    Paul already repudiated what was said in that newsletter - your insistence reeks of pigheadedness.

  • ||

    Paul could have revoked the permission to use his name at any time. And unlike BO walking out of the church, that would have brought an end to that particular racism-spewing.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    Paul could have revoked the permission to use his name at any time.


    Yes, assuming he read the article in question. You don't know that.

    And unlike BO walking out of the church, that would have brought an end to that particular racism-spewing.


    You're saying that as if racist tirades were ubiquitous. This is not so. Now I am aware that you're doing a Max here.

  • ||

    Yes, assuming he read the article in question. You don't know that.

    And we don't know if Holder read any of the Fast & Furious memos that had his name on them either. Doesn't matter.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    And we don't know if Holder read any of the Fast & Furious memos that had his name on them either. Doesn't matter.


    Don't be an ass, T. The memos were addressed to HOLDER. The newsletters were not written for Paul's eyes only, but for subscribers.

  • ||

    Paul already repudiated what was said in that newsletter

    Yeah, 20 years after it was printed.

    BO repudiated Wright's problematic comments also, and much sooner afterward.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    Yeah, 20 years after it was printed.


    Yes, when he was made aware of it. So?

    BO repudiated Wright's problematic comments also, and much sooner afterward.


    No, he didn't. He made some lame excuse. But that's besides the point - I DON'T CARE that BO was listening to that man for 20 years, that is his right. That does not mean ipso facto he agrees with him - that's Sean Hannity-type imbecility.

    No, the biggest problem with BO is his woefull ignorance of even the most basic economic principle and his relationship with Marxists, DOCUMENTED for ALL TO SEE. Yet he is president today.

  • ||

    Yes, when he was made aware of it. So?

    Just like Eric Holder ended Fast & Furious when he was made aware of it.

  • ||

    Because most people haven't heard of it. I've said this roughly 157 times on this topic but you guys act like you've never heard that statement before.

  • robc||

    Because it doesnt matter. Ive heard you every single time.

    Most people havent heard of Newt's affairs either. They still wont matter a bit.

  • Fluffy||

    Gingrich reiterated his support for the individual mandate in 2009.

    He reiterated his support for a carbon tax LAST WEEK.

    Anything older than those two things doesn't matter.

  • ||

    That Gingrich is done doesn't mean that Paul isn't. Romney is still the favorite and don't forget that we haven't seen Santorum shine yet.

  • Teenage Girls||

    "[D]on't forget that we haven't seen Santorum shine yet."

    EEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeewwwwwww!!!

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    Are the resident Paul worshippers going to still say the newsletters are old news after RP crashes and burns because of them?


    Are you going to let us fuck you in the ass when he doesn't?

  • romulus augustus||

    Sounds like a real clever tactic: slime RP enough so that his hard core supporters - let's say 5% of GOP voters - get so pissed off that they sit this one out. You telling me that the GOP can afford to lose 5% of its base in 2012? These clowns ought to be going out of their way to treat RP with respect.

  • Maxxx||

    They're way to stupid and arrogant to do that.

  • Xenocles||

    So the Obama campaign thinks that they can achieve something by making unsolicited phone calls and spam emails to their enemies? That is one of the stranger tactics I've seen, but okay.

  • AZ||

    I think my favorite part is that even if you look past the creepy enemies list aspect of it, and take the stated justification at face value as the full reason for it, the point of the program is smug douchebaggery.

  • Xenocles||

    ^This^

  • ||

    Newt isn't the best candidate, but he would destroy Obama in the debates just like he is destroying Ron Paul and Romney now! He is probably the only one who stands a chance.

    In that case, we're DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.

  • Bored Tween||

    This is like the worst chat room ever.

  • Destrudo||

    Have you been to #yiff?

  • Anthony Weiner||

    How ya doin'?

  • ||

    If, by "destroy in debate" you mean "baffle them with bullshit" that is.

  • Monoclone||

    Thank heavens I don't have to worry about some stupid election, since any of the candidates will send subsidies my way, either to my company or to me in the form of lowered capital gains taxes (go Ron Paul!). I am about to go masturbate onto a blonde big-breasted hooker's face while having the financial times read to me today and finding out how much money I made.

  • ||

    I bet you're right on this. If Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination, there will be quite a few very unhappy and very wealthy GOP donors for BO to poach. To some extent a Romney nomination would also do this, but at least he parrots what big business and big war want to hear.

  • ||

    The problem is that the loss of those donors and voters would not be made up for by leftists abandoning Obama. The problem is that leftists really don't give a shit about civil liberties or the war as long as their guy is in charge.

  • Paul||

    I could live with another four years of Barack Obama just to have Ron Paul win the nomination. Just to win the nomination. It's that worth it.

  • DanD||

    Ron Paul is awesome, but are you sure he'll even be in a state where he can pursue the presidency again after four more years?

  • Paul||

    I don't know anything about that. I just believe that Ron Paul winning the nomination would rock the core of the GOP so hard, it would essentially look like a libertarian coup had routed the GOP leadership.

    The message that would send would be awesome.

  • Maxxx||

    Backfired in '64.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    bet you're right on this. If Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination, there will be quite a few very unhappy and very wealthy GOP donors for BO to poach.


    So much for your certainty you had about the crashing and burning of RP due to the newsletter thingy. Now you're speculating about what will happen if he gets the nomination.

  • ||

    Ever heard of a hypothetical?

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    Hypotheticals are based on likely scenarios. You already give RP no chance, just a few posts above. That would merit a "that will never happen!" if you were consistent.

  • ||

    Hypotheticals are based on likely scenarios.

    Now you're making shit up.

    What are the chances of me coming across a turtle on its back while walking through the desert?

  • T||

    The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs, trying to turn itself over but it can't.

  • ||

    Don't ask about my mother!

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    As many as you being not full of shit, T.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon ||

    It is tragic to see someone so "Old" act like a puerile turd of a teenager.

  • ||

    President Obama’s re-election campaign asks supporter[s] to cough up contact info on known Republican friends.

    I'm on the do not call registry, so if they even think about calling me I'm filing a complaint with the attorney general.

  • Xenocles||

    "...complaint with the attorney general."

    I loled.

  • Erik Holder||

    Nothing doing. Wanna buy a gun?

  • robc||

    Im pretty sure they specifically excluded themselves from that law.

  • ||

    You mean the one appointed by Obama? Good luck!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    (I thought I already posted this, but...)

    Evening Links at 4? Are we doing London links?

  • Invisible Finger||

    "We have to try Islamic rule to be able to decide if it’s good for us," 60-year-old voter tells AP

    Nice to see they make idiots everywhere. As if Islamic rule actually worked (for the plebes) anywhere else it's been tried. But would one really expect a near-retirement Egyptian male accountant (aka, upper-class twit) to NOT follow the stereotype?

  • ||

    Islamic-slanted democracy hasn't been tried in any sovereign country. There have been theocracies in Iran and Afghanistan and Gaza doesn't really count since they're not sovereign.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    There have been theocracies in Iran and Afghanistan and Gaza doesn't really count since they're[???] not sovereign.


    You must have a very queer definition of the word "sovereign", or maybe you used the wrong grammatical person. Iran is a democracy, people there vote.

  • ||

    They don't vote for the Council of Guardians, which holds ultimate power.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    They don't vote for the Council of Guardians, which holds ultimate power.


    That does not mean the country is not sovereign. Again, are you being serious or did you simply make a grammatical mistake?

  • ||

    Iran isn't a democracy.

  • RyanXXX||

    What would you call a country that elects it's leaders, even some of them, beloved Rev??

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Tulpa,

    Iran isn't a democracy.


    Oh, it is a democracy. People vote there. YOU say that the high council is permanent and is the hoder of all the power, but that does not mean people do not want that. Do you think that just because the US changes presidents ever 4 years that the goverment is not beholden to a higher council of bankers and Wall Street insiders?

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon ||

    Shut the hell up, OM. Iran is not a democracy. Going by your definition, Nazi Germany and the Roman Empire were "democracies" because the people "wanted" them to exist the way they did.

  • hazeeran||

    Iran is not sovereign? Huh?

  • ||

    Gaza is not soveriegn, my grammar was unclear.

    Iran doesn't have a real democracy.

  • Gojira||

    Extra extra, read all about it! One-time candidate who may or may not be a witch endorses Romney!

  • hazeeran||

    Tea Party stamped politicians continue to impress.

  • Wholly Holy Cow||

    Andrew Sullivan, noted Obama fellator, endorsed Ron Paul today. Why? Because he knows Obama would clean his clock in an election.

    Though I find RP's foreign policy silly and downright bad, I'd vote for him over Obama. But RP has no chance at even winning the primary.

    Anyway, repealing Obamacare should be the number one duty for the next president.

  • sailor||

    So I was quite happy not caring who Tebow is or what teams are still in the running for the superbowl but this post is just insane.

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/e.....ow_problem

    tldr, if tebow wins the superbowl those pesky rightwing christians will burn mosques and kill gays.

  • ||

    If Tebow wins the Superbowl, I might burn mosques and kill gays. Well, probably not, but the smugness that will radiate from Tebow and Broncos fans will put me in a killing mood.

    Besides, the Packers are going to win it anyway. Just like the Patriots in 2007, right?

  • Gojira||

    Can I burn mosques and kill gays regardless of what TT does?

  • ||

    Sure, knock yourself out.

  • Gojira||

    Awesome. I'm going to screenprint that permission and use it as a defense in court. Should guarantee that the charges will be dropped, since I received prior permission.

  • ||

    Sure, knock yourself out.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    FTA in reference to Bob Kraft: " And, oh yes, the most identifiably Jewish owner in sports."

    Well, Arthur Blank (Atlanta Falcons), The Steinbrenner’s (NY Yankees), Donald Sterling (LA Clippers), Jerry Reinsdorf (Chicago Bulls), and Mark Cuban (Dallas Mavericks) may disagree. These were just the Jewish owners I could think of off the top of my yarmulke. But why let a tone of moderation into an opinion piece when you can use ethnocentric bigotry to stir fear and loathing in your readers? Why can't people just chill the fuck out? I do not think a Bronco's Super Bowl victory would trigger a pogrom. Rabbi Hammerman should be ashamed for even writing this.

    I had an acquaintance that moved deep into the California desert after Obama won the Presidency. He was sure that Obama was going to rally blacks to violence against white people. It didn't happen, and it sounds a little crazy three years later doesn't it?

    Luckily, I'm married to a black lady. That means I get the inside scoop on "The Plan" that Obama is hatching. By the way, there is no "Plan".

  • Xenocles||

    The article no longer seems to exist. Even the cache of it seems dead.

  • sailor||

    http://joshuahammerman.blogspo.....-week.html

    "The piece has been taken down and I apologize to all those whom it has offended. Some additional reflections will be forthcoming. Thank you."

    Shrug.

  • Wholly Holy Cow||

    Yeah, Christine O.D. was a pretty bad candidate. However, the guy she lost to (Chris Coons) wants to run your life because good nurses are, um, you know good!

    I'm not gonna link to the guy's website. But go there, read stuff like....

    "Everyone has a story about health care. For Chris, it was the birth of his son. The caring, compassionate nurses at St. Francis Hospital saved Chris’s son life. Chris and his wife, Annie were impressed by the professionalism of the nurses, as well as by their steadying presence. In those moments of worry, they were reminded how important it is to have access to quality health care."

    Now that's fucking deep, man. If that's not a reason to support tyranny, then frankly I don't know what is.

  • hazeeran||

    Anyone who endorses Romney probably in some ways wants to run my life.

  • Nancy Pelosi||

    We have to try Islamic rule to be able to decide if it’s good for us

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Can we all please drop the pretense that Evening Links is going to be a thing? Cavanaugh will get bored with it and he has no backup.

    Morning Links über Alles!

  • ||

    Never, Sybok. The West Coast needs its own links. Evening links for the West!

  • Gojira||

    Well that, and those of us who don't work 8-5 like drones, and so are still peacefully sleeping whenever the crack-ass-of-dawn links get posted.

  • ||

    You lazy piece of shit. What is it you even do, Jimbo? Mechanical Turk? ChatRoulette moderator? Professional masturbator?

  • ||

    I thought the last one was illegal.

  • ||

    So are snuff films but Jimbo does them too.

  • Gojira||

    Actually I'm the chief potion-administrator for a child-slavery ring being operated underneath an Indian temple.

    I hold potential recruit's noses and force them to drink potions.

    And because I do it from 11-8 pm, I get a shift differential!

  • Xenocles||

    No time for links, Dr. Jones.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    If they're for the west coast, then they're afternoon links. But that's not the case, because no one gives a two shits about anything but EST, not even west coasters.

    EASTERN TIME RULES, MOFOS.

  • Gojira||

    Pfft, eastern time (or as I like to call it, "fag time") is only important to snooty coastal elites. What are you, a democrat?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    All monocles are synchronized to Eastern Standard Time for a reason.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Fuck, mine's set to EDT. Who didn't send me the memo via carrier serf?

  • Sanity Clause||

    Did you know that a movie has a cast but a TV show has an ensemble?

    Only when you say it with the snooty French accent.

  • Mr. Mark||

    As one of my parting acts before fleeing the country, I intend to vote for Ron Paul.

  • New West Republic||

    Stupid Canadian links: Libtard son of worst Canadian ever calls Environment Minister a piece of shit in the House.

    http://fullcomment.nationalpos.....-watching/

  • PantsFan||

    No, Heather Mallick is the worst Canadian ever.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm.....o-protocol

  • Tman||

    Yeah, I'm going with Mallick. Everything she bitched about in that article just made me want to move to Canada.

    Like tomorrow.

  • New West Republic||

    I was never sure if she was Canadian or British, but I can't very strongly disagree with you.

  • New West Republic||

    I just finished reading the piece, and now I feel like I need to wash my hands until they bleed. What a nasty piece of work is Heather Malice.

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