More Than 40 Dead In Syria: Censored and Uncensored

Government attacks on protesters all over Syria today have left at least 40 people dead. CNN, citing eyewitness reports, puts the number at more than 40. Amnesty International and other groups say it's closer to 75. The New York Times calls it "scores," and unofficial sources on the worldwide cybertubes have plenty of nasty evidence. 

Iyad El-Baghdadi's Twitter feed has continuing coverage that is a lot harder on the eye than this photo to the right. Here is a seven-and-a-half-minute video said to be from Douma, showing shooting, wounded and dead protesters being carried to a sedan, and amazingly, protesters still trying to keep a chant going while under fire. El-Baghdadi says the uprisings and the crackdown are going on in at least 11 cities, including the capital Damascus, Hama (site of an infamous Liditz-style massacre in 1982), and the town of Homs, whose residents were the traditional butt of dumb-Syrian jokes (which I don't countenance: I know two Homsi who are wealthy and successful engineers). Here is a guy in Homs apparently dying on camera. Here is a list of the names of about 40 dead protesters. Here are some bodies. By the most conservative count, more than 200 people have been killed since government violence against public demonstrators began. 

I list these not only to provide internet snuff but to make it clear that the lack of destination media on the ground and heavy government censorship (to this day, much of the media in Syria and Lebanon are showing only pro-government demonstrations and ignoring the slaughter) mean you should ignore anybody who's telling you things aren't so bad. Unless you can think of legitimate reasons president-for-life Bashar al-Assad could have for trying to prevent third parties from sharing information, you can assume the worst-case scenario is the most accurate one. 

At this point, it's not clear who, other than the fashion magazine Vogue, is still taking the Syrian regime's self-description seriously. A new narrative depicts the protesters as U.S. stooges, but by now the funding and support of the protests is beside the point. This is not to say the U.S. should be meddling in Syrian affairs or, worse, considering another violent intervention. But as El-Baghdadi puts it: "If Bashar knew about this, he's lost legitimacy; and if he didn't know about it, he's also lost legitimacy." 

Somewhat-safe-for-work video of a non-fatal bullet wound. Maybe rubber bullets get harder in the dry Syrian climate: 

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  • mr simple||

    Maybe if they start emigrating en masse to Europe the UN will demand an intervention. Or if they find a large oil reserve. Good luck, syrians.

  • ||

    Why is Reason getting so uptight about the Syrian government cracking down? Syria has been on the front line of pointing out how Israel is on occasion men to Palestinians that have sworn to drive Israelis into the sea. Reason and many other lefty mags like to blame Israel first and think that we are in Iraq and Afghanistan so that we can surround Iran so they can't attack Israel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ture=inbox

  • ||

    Man that is awesome, thanks for posting that link. That James O'Keefe kid can really dance, I'll bet he can really haul tail.

  • Colin||

    I can't recall a single anti-Israel post on Reason. Plenty of anti-Israel comments, but nothing from the magazine itself.

    So, you're argument is pretty strawmanish.

  • ||

    And most of the anti-Israel comments are made by MNG, who is not a libertarian.

  • ||

    I think you could say that Radley Balko is more critical of Israel than the people that have sworn to drive Israelis into the sea.

  • ||

    "Reason and many other lefty mags..."

    You'd think us libertarians would get bored being accused of being lefties, on the one hand, and being accused of being a front for the Koch Bros. on the other...

    But I swear, it never stops being amusing!

    I haven't bothered looking yet, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's somebody in this very thread somewhere accusing of being right wing.

  • ||

    Sure, that's exactly what a Right Winger like you would say!

  • ||

    I kind of was enjoying being a right-winger this week. But if I must, I'll be a left winger for a day. One of the few fringe bennies of being a libertarian...I can pick my delusions on a daily basis.

  • ||

    Out of curiosity, has Hezbollah dropped any hint of condemnation for Assad whatsoever?

  • Hezbollah||

    Condemnation for what?

  • ||

    Shouldn't an organization that says it's committed to liberating Shiites have something to say about a vicious dictator shooting unarmed Shiites in the street?

    Or is it just me?

  • I Heart Capitalisms||

    It's a vicious Shiite dictator shooting unarmed Sunnis in the street so it's cool.

  • ||

    Ah, so that's what's going on?

    I see Sunnis make up about 75% of the population there.

    There was a discussion last week about how one of the protestors might be protesting for more of what Hezbollah is all about--even as the protestor next to him was protesting against what Hezbollah is all about.

    That doesn't seem like as much of an issue as we thought last week.

    Anyway, if Hezbollah, et. al. doesn't condemn these shootings, then they should lose some serious face with their marginal supporters.

    If the Syrian people won't stop taking to the streets, everybody's gonna have to pick a side--including Hezbollah and others that the Assad regime has supported.

    Incidentally, I keep hearing about how a weakened Syrian regime could be bad news for the U.S.--specifically because Assad has so much sway with Hezbollah, et. al., and has managed to smooth them over on occasion. If Assad goes down though, and Iran loses an ally? I don't think that could be all bad.

  • ||

    Hezbollah is backed by Iran, and Iran backs Assad, who is head of the Syrian Baath Party.

    Irony

  • MWG||

    Enemy of my enemy and whatnot.

  • Cabeza de Vaca||

    It's a vicious Alawite dictator shooting unarmed Sunnis & Shiites in the street. Alawites are considered a herectical cult by both Sunnis & most Shiites.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawi

  • I Heart Capitalisms||

    "Alawis are self-described Shi'i Muslims, and have been called Shia by other sources[7][8] including the highly influential Lebanese Shia cleric Musa al-Sadr of Lebanon.[30]"

  • Realist||

    It is one group of stupid religious assholes killing another group of stupid religious assholes.

  • ||

    I'm not so sure the protestors getting shot at are "assholes".

    Or maybe you're trying to say that all religious people are assholes? ...because they're religious?

    Either way...I'm not sure I get it. Doesn't seem very "realist" to me.

  • Leebig||

    In light of recent events and positions you've held, it's odd that your first reaction is to wonder about Hezbollah.

  • ||

    Hezbollah = Proxy terrorist organization that does Syria's bidding in Lebanon.

  • Klown Shultz||

    If Hezbollah isn't against Assad, that means intervention won't make them love us the way it made the Libyan al-Qaeda people love us...

    It's a cost benefit thing...

    You don't need to worry about principles when you buy the woman you love flowers, so why should Obama have to care about them when he's showing love by military intervention?

    Doesn't that make sense?

  • ||

    I'm trying to think of the downside of Hezbollah denouncing Assad...

    ...and I can't think of anything.

  • ||

    I'm trying to think of the downside of Hezbollah denouncing Assad...

    ...and I can't think of anything.

    reply to this

    I can. Hezbollah takes over Syria after denouncing Assad.

    Now, that's about as likely as UFO's landing to return Elvis from the Experiment, but you asked...

  • ||

    If Assad is part of Hezbollah's support, then isn't Hezbollah already sorta in charge of Syria?

    Yeah, I know, it isn't the Theocracy now that it might be...

    But I still say if there were a split between them it would be good news for just about everybody--except Assad, Hezbollah and Iran.

  • Janet Napolitano||

    Unless you can think of legitimate reasons president-for-life Bashar al-Assad could have for trying to prevent third parties from sharing information, you can assume the worst-case scenario is the most accurate one.

    Now, just a doggone minute!

  • Barack Hussein Obama||

    When I intervened in Syria, it was different from Bush's invasion of Iraq. I got UN support, and I was doing it for humanitarian reasons.

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    DO YOU MEAN LIBYA

  • Barack Hussein Obama||

    ...sure.

  • Barack Hussein Obama||

    Also, Dubya sounded like an idiot when he spoke. Whereas I sound intelligent when I speak.

  • ||

    I must give you credit for the optimal placement of the "er" and "uh" at just the right place in the TelePrompTer feed. Nothing communicates intelligence like filler words.

  • Harvard PHD Barry||

    I will campaign in all 58 states this time.

  • Bush||

    I misunderestimated how smartered you are

  • ||

    You sound like a Kansas hayseed

  • Barack Hussein Obama||

    I should also mention that I grew-up in a middle class family, and I have brown skin.

  • Born-Again Barry||

    I would really like to get out more and learn about Americans.

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    if they had more exposure to Royal Wedding coverage, this wouldn't happen.

  • Christ ||

    It's a Jewish conspiracy-after 911, and making it impossible to eat only a handful of Cheetos®

  • B-O||

    Not acting would be a betrayal of who we are...Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different. And as president, I refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action.

  • George Walker Bush||

    Why couldn't I have been a Democrat?

  • ||

    SportsCenter doesn't air footage from Syria.

  • Obama the jaunty golfer||

    I have to get back to the links to relax. I'll deal with this later.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    While you're at it, can't you just fucking stay? You're more useful there.

  • Ty Webb||

    Barry, see your future, be your future. May, make, make it, make it. Make your future, Barry.

    I'm, I'm a veg', Barry.

  • Amakudari||

  • Amakudari||

    Shucks, missed it in my read-through of the first article.

  • ||

    I read that article, it made me nauseous.

  • Sheldon Cooper||

    I think that you mean "nauseated."

  • ||

    Never happened.

  • .||

    Some people are nauseous.

  • Another Phil||

    Everyone loves a grammar pedant.

  • ||

    Sheldon said: 'I think that you mean "nauseated."'

    No. cap typed "nauseous."
    I see right up there ^.
    heh

  • ||

    Every rose has its thorns.

  • ||

    Those people need Something to Believe In.*

    *all posts must reference 80's bands

  • Banjos||

    I don't have the words to properly express how fucked up the middle east is.

  • ||

    It certainly looks like the Dawning of a New Era.

  • A Serious Man||

    Obama says we should intervene in matters such as these. Which is fine, apparently, because we:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHQud1shWk

  • A Serious Man||

    Sorry, I don't know how to put the link within the text. Fail.

  • Banjos||

    We're mad if we think this will end peacefully.

  • ||

    Yeah, really. If you think this will end without protests in other Arab nations, then You've Got Another Thing Coming.

  • Banjos||

  • Banjos||

    How to embed a link:
    < a href = " Link " > TEXT < / a >

    Except, there are no spaces between everything. Preview before posting to make sure you didn't SugarFree it.

  • rather||

    < a href = "www.blaw blaw . com " > We're mad < / a >

  • A Serious Man||

    Shit, I did it right but then it was shot down as spam by the filter!

    I'll try it again: Thank You

  • rather||

    You have spaces in-between

  • ||

    http://www.hyperlinkcode.com/make-hyperlink.php

    Copy and paste what you see under CODE
    or email me and I will send you a link sample

  • Ted S.||

    You need no more words to express how fucked up the Middle East is.

  • rather||

    I left that vacuum link

  • ||

    Both Assad and Kaddafi need to get in touch with Hilary Clinton, because while she condones drone attacks on civilians, I also hear She Sells Sanctuary to psychotic dictators.

  • Banjos||

    They shouldn't trust her, considering the corrupt bitch is hungry like the Wolfowitz Doctrine when it comes to Imperialism.

  • ||

    Eventually, this shit's gonna spread to I ran...

    (To Be Continued)

  • ||

    (Continued)

    ...Then the whole middle east will be in a Civil War the likes we've never seen.

  • ||

    FUCK. SF'ed the link

    Civil War.

  • ||

    I heard that any muslim who went with a friend to the protests got Two Tickets To Paradise.

    Too soon?

  • I don't know why god made.....||

    Damascus, But -- You're the reason god made Oklahoma.

  • Every gal in....||

    ...Constantinople lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople.

  • Dave||

  • ||

  • Amakudari||

    But hey, while we're onto dictator chic, how about this one?

    Queen Rania: The 21st-Century Queen (Glamour)

    North Korea needs to get with it. Marry a leggy white chick who drives a hybrid and can talk about the importance of education and women. Winning the hearts and minds of the Oprah-watching lumpenproletariat provides more security than acquiring nukes and at lower cost.

  • ||

    I think the comments were written by the queen herself:

    Queen Rania represents logic, compassion, and smarts to combat issues that so many middle easterners are so afraid to directly address. She is beautiful, and her work shows her stunning inner beauty as well. Thank you for featuring her!

  • ||

    Have you heard of the queen named Rania?
    She's from Jordan and not from Albania.
    She talks about schools
    While her husband rules
    Like he suffers from megalomania.

  • rather ||

    I still want the limerick link

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    I still want my sammich

  • rather ||

    http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_2246978

    Tonight it's caveman and bring hot wax and bodypaint

  • Michelle O||

    Mrs Assad cares about children's nutrition. Leave her alone.

  • ||

    There once was a chick named Michelle,
    and in the White House she did dwell.
    She was queen of the libs
    but loved gobbling ribs.
    I wish she resided in hell.

  • Nanny Big-Butt||

    Watch it sloop, you're close to crossin' the line...

  • ||

    There once was a clown named Barack
    who kept fighting a war in Iraq.
    But you'll never believe
    The next trick up his sleeve.
    Which is putting our nation in hock.

  • proudlibitard||

    Queen Rania would get it in all ways unholy...she is teh hotness!!! :)

  • ||

    Has the death toll caught up with the mostly-unreported post-election violence in Nigeria?* Just curious.

    *Not a dig at Reason (drink) in any way, but the Nigerian situation has not gotten much play anywhere and it could have major implications.

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    Muslims displeased that a Christian won? Why would Reason care?
    However, the name Jonathan Goodluck is the best name evar.

  • ||

    However, the name Jonathan Goodluck is the best name evar.

    You sure about that? Dick Swett would disagree.

  • Amakudari||

    I've always been partial to Dick Mountjoy myself.

  • ||

    How's about Young Boozer?

  • Amakudari||

    Nice, also. I perused the names in the HuffPo article.

    Still, Mr. Mountjoy's name just has a regal quality to it. King Richard the Mountjoy, you know, like a double-entendre about a king who possessed both amorous process and a fondness for his horse.

  • Amakudari||

    * prowess

  • ||

    Process works just fine as well.

  • Hairy Reed||

    Ahem.

  • I once new a gal...||

    Named Dawn Hogg. She married a lad named Bob Lake and her life changed forever.

  • Sudden||

    I ran into a Harry Ball the other day. No shit.

  • ||

    Is he a mathematician by any chance?

  • Another Phil||

    I can't believe no one mentioned Dick Armey

  • Alan||

    Can anyone really beat the lateCardinal Sin?

  • robc||

    Lucious Pusey.

    Game over, all other entrants can go home.

  • ||

    My high school superintendent's wife was Anita Dyck. His name was Don, but the kids all called him Harry for obvous reasons.

    Why would someone actually marry into the name "Anita Dyck" is my question. That shit should have ended after the first date, right?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Maybe the girl really needed a Dyck in her life.

  • WarrenT||

    You people act as if you've never heard of the Name of the Year bracket

    I have my money on Moe Lester or Yu Arafuka

  • WarrenT||

  • robc||

    Lucious was last decade. He wins for all time, none of this johnny come lately, name of the year crap.

  • Amakudari||

    Note: It's Goodluck Jonathan. Goodluck is his first name. Which is awesome.

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    I knew that. I'm drunk.

  • Christ ||

    Not just a drunk but a drunk Jew

  • Turd Ferguson||

    *ahem* BIG foam cowboy hat!

  • ||

    Obama is just hoping they destroy the courthouse with his long form Nigerian birth certificate.

  • 0x90||

    Wait, I thought he was supposed to be Keynesian ???

  • Swarthynigger||

    Definitely not Austrian.

  • Governor Schwarzeneggar||

    Stop making fun of my name, girlie man.

  • Ynot||

    Actually, I think Swarthyjohnson would have been a more accurate tag

  • 9/11 Truther||

    I don't know if any of you have been told the truth, but 9/11 was an insider job.

    1st - The planes didn't cause the collapse of the towers. They were brought down by controlled demolition. Look-up thermite found in 9/11 rubble.

    2nd - The BBC reported on 7 World Trade Center's collapse BEFORE it happened.

    3rd - The Jewish employees at the WTC didn't show up for work that day.

    Don't be mislead, sheeple!

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    I want to get your newsletter. However, HerculesTriangleFrenchdude is clogging my inbox right now.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    Tell me, you Zionist punk. How exactly did jet-fuel cause the towers to collapse. The last I heard, jet-fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.

    But go back and watch your dumb sports shows you ignorant hick.

  • ||

    Finally, someone has the courage to say this.

    /rolls eyes

  • 9/11 Truther||

    I haven't read the papers on it, but the planes might not have been planes at all. My friend tells me they could have been cruise missiles disguised as planes through holographic projections.

  • Charlie Sheen||

    preach it, sister!

  • ||

    David Blaine did 9/11?

    The secret is out!

  • 9/11 Truther||

    No, it was David Copperfield. And I don't mean Dikensian tale (which would still have been one of the best books ever, btw, even if Dickens had not tended toward anti-Semitism), but the Statue-of-Liberty-disappearing magician (a JEW, btw, and notorious boinker of Claudia Schiffer) whose namesake was taken from the same, in what can only be construed an obvious attempt to mask his shameful JEWISHNESS!!11!1

  • 9/11 Truther||

    I did not write this.

  • PantsFan||

    It says you did.

  • rather ||

    welcome to my world

  • ||

    welcome to my world

    Why anybody would belong in "your world" is beyond me, however in the case of Mr. Troofer, we'll gladly make an exception.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAwtmun_aj8

    Do you care to make your snide remarks now?

  • ||

    Well, that video cinches it. You truly are nuts.

  • Christ ||

    Jews killed me and made the damn plane disappear.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    It didn't disappear. It NEVER existed!

  • Ynot||

    9/11 Truther has always lived in your world.

    How's that butt sex been for you lately?

  • 0x90||

    Truther -- a bit of free advice: clue up to Occam's Razor. If you want it to be a conspiracy, KISS. Just off the top of my head: nefarious guy A convinces/pays conscienceless guy B to recruit psycho-suicidal guys C-U to coordinate and fly planes into buildings. Clean, simple, and effective.

    How many secret-keepers does your theory require? Because in case you missed the point, the above example requires only two. Not so sexy, but that is the recipe for a successful conspiracy.

  • ||

    Were they both Joos?

  • Ted S.||

    Three people can keep a secret, as long as two of them are dead.

  • George W Bush||

    was born in Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico. He was another undocumented illegal president.

  • ||

    Three people can keep a secret, as long as two of them are dead.

    Ron Brown and Vincent Foster would agree.

    /straightens tin foil hat

  • 0x90||

    "Three people can keep a secret, as long as two of them are dead."

    I haven't seen Osama for a long time. Spooky!

  • Elvis||

    Osama's livin' with me an' JFK in our double-wide in Enid, Oklahoma.

    Jimi lives two trailers down, an' still gets the best shit. Just the second-hand smoke makes me wanna go down to Burger King and get a quintuple Whopper MY fuckin' way.

    Oh, and that punk Morrison still owes me fifty bucks.

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    as a descendant of the line of David, you are accurate in your description of me.

  • rather ||

    jews on Reason?

  • roystgnr||

    Jet fuel burns hot enough to reduce the ultimate tensile strength and to increase the modulus of elasticity of steel, leading to failures in either tension or compression. IAABSME, IANYBSME...

    If you're going to throw around the word "ignorant", try not to use it as a postscript to your own failures to understand introductory-level materials science.

  • ||

    I heard jet fuel doesn't burn, EVAR!

  • ||

    Hey, I deserve a hat tip for that.

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • PantsFan||

    Peter Jennings knew! That's why he died!

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • 9/11 Truther||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3F5duZvjvg

    I guess it comes as no surprise that Bill Maher is half-Jewish.

  • rather ||

    jews are in show biz?

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    you know who else wanted to be in show biz?

  • 9/11 Truther||

    I don't understand why we helped these people during the 1940s to build their state in the Palestine.

    God bless the Palestinian people in their fighter against their Zionist oppressors.

  • Reginald and his cousin eddy||

    YHWH bless you, my daughter

  • 9/11 Truther||

    It is a well-known fact that Bush's defense secretary was a Jew earlier in his life. You can tell by the hebe twang in his voice.

  • rather ||

    jews in politics too?

  • ||

    You might be thinking of the Kike that was SecDef under Clinton.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    Thank you for correcting me sloopinca. I was almost sure that that faggot Jew was in the Bush cabinet. Thanks for the correction.

  • rather ||

    Faggot Jews in politics too?

  • Fuck the Palestinians.||

  • PantsFan||

    Joel Ward just scored on Mark Emery. These black on black hockey goals need to end.

  • PantsFan||

    *Ray Emery

  • ||

    Go Ducks! I'm actually hoping they win the series and the Kings beat the Sharks.

    Both of their arenas are more octopus-friendly than the Shark tank. Those fucks told me I'd be arrested if I chucked one out on the ice when I was there last year. Had to throw it away...after carrying it around in a baggie in my pants for 2 hours.

    Protip: carrying an octopus in a plastic bag does not prevent the stink from transferring to the holder of said baggie.

  • PantsFan||

    OVERTIME!

  • rather ||

    Imagine how the octopus felt having to smell your skid marks

  • ||

    Yeah, it probably reminded it of your upper lip.

  • Sudden||

    KOCHTAPUS!!!1!!1!!

  • Jeffersonian||

    Here's to hoping Assad winds up on a meathook like Mussolini did. Chinless fuck.

  • ||

    I first read that as "Chinese fuck."

    He'll likely end up in exile. Living luxuriously in Paris or Geneva in winter, sipping martinis on the veranda with his neighbor Moammar in the summertime on Lake Como.

  • Jeffersonian||

    Christ, when did these guys get in on the CALPers scam?

  • ||

    How the hell should I know?

  • Christ ||

    WTF do you want? I have a goddamned busy day this Sunday and I wanted to relax till then

  • ||

    Or Tehran.

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • ||

    Watch your own video, dumbass. Even the guy who posted it admits it's debunked around the 4 minute mark.

  • Prognositcbator||

    If we're going to do a 9/11 thread, why can't we do a Wheel of Time thread?
    HOW DID EGWENE KNOW THERE WAS A FORSAKEN IN THE TOWER?

  • 9/11 Truther||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWzj6HIERc

    Do you think you know EVERYTHING now?!

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • PantsFan||

    that video raises more questions than it answers.

  • Christ ||

    I bet you're one of them joos trying to get off-topic

  • woolhead||

    did she not wring the information out Moghedien in book 6 or so? & if there were black folks in the Two Rivers would i be like a racial slur? for that matter where's all the black people huh?
    ex Seanchan semper aliquid novi
    oh, okay then!
    wanna see the new Game of Thrones...

  • mnarayan||

    Verin told here in here super special book.

  • Verins owl||

    you don't even remember me, do you?

  • 9/11 Truther||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    Why does our government insist on lying to us ALL THE TIME?!

  • Christ ||

    Duh!!!! because they are Joos

  • 9/11 Truther||

    Richard Hoagland is a brave man for bringing this science to the forefront. And, Chris, I'm afraid you are right. The Jewish people in power across the globe do not wish for us to know that they are not the true chosen people of God.

  • Art W. Bell III||

    Dickey Hoagland is a friend of mine. He is not a nutball like you claim.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    Oh my, you know him. What an honor it is for you. Please, tell him that I love his work.

  • Mel Gibson||

    Yeah!

  • J. Iscariot||

  • Hugh Akston||

    If you're going to watch one video about 9/11, it should be this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVytXppIFw0

  • 9/11 Truther||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5_9Gi7w19Y

    Tell, me what is more reasonable, that a bunch of dirty hebes built the hydrogen bomb...or might it have been an extraterrestrial origin?

  • Truthie.....||

    Can you post your personal email so I can find out more about this dirty business?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Syria is a hostile regime. Our government and Israel's should absolutely be meddling, chiefly by providing weapons and shit to the enemies of our enemy.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    As we all know, Israel doesn't need any more expanding. It is an illegal state.

  • George Knapp||

    I was going to be talking cold fusion tonight, but my guest was just shot. Give me your number, you can fill in!

  • 9/11 Truther||

    I'm sorry, I don't have a phone. Is your show on the radio or on TV. I prefer radio.

  • George Knapp||

    radio. are you east of the rockies?

  • 9/11 Truther||

    East...down South.

  • ||

    Imagine my shock... {8^O

  • How high up in them hills?||

  • ||

    I was thinking more like, how far down in the hollow?

  • ||

    Israel has killed more US troops than Syria has.

  • Cytotoxic||

    That is bullshit. Syria support for Iraqi insurgents alone has killed plenty of US troops. To acknowledge this would require you remove the surgically implanted blinders. It'll hurt at first but then feel good.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wna3-CiKPA

    I'm grateful that some countries allow their people to speak the truth. Unfortunately, those are the very same countries that Israel wants to blow of the face of the map.

  • 9/11 Truther ||

    Yes, AND WE ARE IMMORTAL!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkd55ws44EQ

  • 9/11 Truther||

    That was from a fictional show called "The Twilight Zone," you moron.

  • George Knapp||

    are you talking to yourself? Find me on skype!

  • 9/11 Truther ||

    But we don't need you anymore. LEAVE NOW AND NEVER COME BACK!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWweqP_ZWbg

  • 9/11 Truther||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvj6zdWLUuk

    Good night, and may peace be secured and the oppressed people of the world freed and the lies of our government be exposed.

  • Samuel Johnson||

    You're just ridiculous. You have my pity.

  • DRM||

    Whether we should intervene in Syria or not, our non-intervention makes it absolutely clear that Libya is a war for oil.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    This should surprise exactly no one.

  • EuroTrash Leader||

    No it's not strictly about oil...

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Right. It's also about icky brown people rolling up by the 1000s on Eyetalian shores.

  • Cytotoxic||

    That's bullshit. Libya was opening up just fine to outside oil exploration. You have to be economically illiterate to not realize how much cheaper it is to buy the oil than it is to invade for it. Europe is just worried about a possible tsunami of refugees (not that I think that's a rational worry).

  • ||

    We didn't invade Libya.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Whatever. You get my point.

  • LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL||

    Police beating of Las Vegas man caught on tape

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/exclu.....ents=y&c=y

  • ||

  • ||

    Land of the Stupid. Home of the Screwed. That is fucking classic.

  • ||

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....71470.html

    Caitlan Flannagan proves once again why she is the most flagerantly stupid woman writing today.

  • ||

    Hilarious!

  • ||

    This is my favorite part

    "My fourth night at school, I went with some friends to Rugby Road, where the fraternity houses are located. They are built of the same Jeffersonian architecture as the rest of the campus. At once august and moldering, they seemed sinister, to stand for male power at its most malevolent and institutionally condoned. "

    That is just pure comedy gold. "Oh daddy the big buildings scare me". She was like 21 years old when she went to UVA. If there is a more pathetic rich bitch than Flannagan writing today, I don't know who it is.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    "My fourth night at school, I went with some friends to Rugby Road, where the fraternity houses are located.

    Well, Penthouse, you'll never believe what happened next....

  • ||

    :)

  • Michelle Obama||

    I don't write anymore.

  • ||

    In the Atlantic last year she wrote about the Duke chick who slept with all of the athletes "Flanagan seems to fit Owens into her pre-determined template of female desire gone awry. For Flanagan, female sexual desire “is deeply enmeshed in the desire to be seduced, taken, treated….with a measure of aggression,”

    Honey, if you and your husband like to do rape fantasies in the bedroom, that is your business. But can you leave it out of the pages of the Atlantic?

  • ||

    Yeah, there's some projection going on there alright. I also like how she streets a chick get laid a lot at college as some sinister new phenomenon. There were no "sluts" in her day!

  • ||

    treats a chick getting laid ...

    MOAR COFFEE NEEDED.

  • ||

    She actually makes the chicks at jezebelle seem sane.

    http://jezebel.com/#!5729592/the-atlantic-weeps-for-the-sad-slutty-drunk-girls

  • MNG||

    Didn't the 'lady' at the center of the Duke controversy just kill her boyfriend?

  • ||

    No. Different Duke controversy. The stripper from the LaCrosse case killed her b/f. This concerns about a year ago when some Duke Coed slept with some obscene number of athletes and then made a power point presentation about it and their various virtues, statures and lack thereof.

  • MNG||

    Jesus, wtf is going on at Duke?

    I guess she was doing a project on Skankology.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    I guess she was doing a project on Skankology.

    I wonder if she had time over Spring Break to make it north for the "Slut Walk."

    http://www.amusingplanet.com/2.....ronto.html

  • Otto||

    She was just doing the assignment professor Annabel Chong put on the syllabus...

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Jesus, wtf is going on at Duke?

    Typical "best and brightest" stuff.

  • ||

    wow. can't believe the truther scum oozed to the surface.

  • ||

    http://patterico.com/2011/04/2.....il-moment/

    Why are these morons making me have the moral duty to join with Paster Terry Jones?

  • RyanXXX||

    Seriously? "Free Speech Zones"? Controversial, inflammatory acts like Jones' are exactly why the framers included the first amendment.

  • RyanXXX||

    The ACLU is defending him, I'll add

  • ||

    Wow, OK thats really messed up dude. Seriously.

    www.complete-privacy.au.tc

  • MNG||

    Good news! Cheers to the ACLU!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04.....ob.html?hp

    A New Jersey Transit worker who was fired after burning pages of a Koran during a demonstration in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 11 last year has been reinstated, reimbursed for lost wages and benefits, and awarded $25,000 in compensation for the pain and suffering caused by his dismissal.

    The reinstatement of the worker, Derek Fenton of Bloomingdale, N.J., was announced on Thursday by the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey, which sued the transportation corporation on his behalf, arguing that his actions were protected by the First Amendment.

    And Jeers to the Kingpin!

    After the civil liberties union sued in February, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey told reporters that he supported Mr. Fenton’s dismissal. “That kind of intolerance is something I think is unacceptable,” he said.

  • ||

    The only bad news about that is the costs of the whole thing will be passed onto innocent transit riders.

  • MNG||

    Good point, but that's true anytime the government is sued.

  • Wind Rider||

    Almost makes ya pine for a 'round two' of any litigation the "government" loses due to the bad acts of an individual or small group of individuals granted the authority of the state and serving diligently sucking at the public teat while they act like total dickheads. If 'The Government' loses such a case, round 2 would be the prosecution and punishment of the individuals responsible for the decision making or actions that resulted in the judgement. At minimum - expulsion from public office or function, no re-entry. Prison terms, quite possibly. To really make it interesting, the ultimate penalty could be that such people become long-term indentured servants and required to perform the really disgusting and smelly stuff in life that usually gets featured by Mike Rowe on his 'Dirty Jobs' show. They could be leased or rented out with all fees or payments for their services paid into general funds. . .

  • Wind Rider||

    Oh, yeah, and if it's an act of Congress that creates the problem, once all the appeals to the Supreme Court are finalized and the case is settles, every Congressphuck that voted for the piece of shit would get ejected from office, too.

  • ||

    The reinstatement was part of a settlement agreement, filed this week in Federal District Court in Newark, in which Mr. Fenton dropped his suit in exchange for getting his job back.

    Am I wrong in assuming that the reason no one is ever held accountable for fucking with peasants, is because these cases are always settled? Isn't this Fenton guy, basically saying "no harm no foul"?

    Question two, and rather rhetorical, why didn't the unions step up, prior to Fenton getting shit canned? Those union dues really seem to be paying off, don't they.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    If we could get the government to stop doing dumb shit, they wouldn't need to be sued.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    "This kind of intolerance must not be tolerated!!!"

  • roystgnr||

    Well, Gov. Christie, we definitely don't want to accept intolerance. Perhaps we should be proactive about it? We could look for instances of intolerance expressed in book form, and then find some way to express our lack of acceptance of those books.

  • ||

    This is bullshit. If he worked for a private company, the firing would have been upheld...so this means public employees get even more special rights that private sector employees don't have.

  • MNG||

    Liberty v. Property!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04.....i.html?hpw

    An exhibition of street art that opened last week has been responsible, the authorities say, for a new wave of graffiti on buildings, lampposts and mailboxes in downtown Los Angeles, forcing a fresh crackdown on an activity that the police thought they had brought under control. And it has put them in the awkward position of trying to arrest people for doing something that is being celebrated by the city’s cultural establishment.

    Jack Richter, a senior lead officer with the Los Angeles Police Department, said that was one of a number of graffiti episodes in the neighborhood of Little Tokyo that he argued had been, at the least, encouraged by “Art in the Streets.” He vowed to prosecute anyone caught defacing public space, even those whose work might have made it to the big leagues of the Geffen.

    “They will go to jail, sir,” he said. “This not a ticket. I will put them in jail myself.”

  • roystgnr||

    Guy gets arrested for assault; breathless MNG headline: "Liberty vs. Noses!"

  • Trespassers W||

    Holy shit, I think Minge found an internal contradiction in the libertarian ideal.

  • ||

    Seems like a pretty easy problem to solve. If person A is intentionally causing damage to the property of person B; person B should be able to use force in defense of his/her property.

    Their are very few problems that can't be solved with a 12 guage.

  • MNG||

    The namesake character in “Doctor Who” can travel through time and space, but he cannot outrun the Internet.

    When new episodes of that long-running BBC science-fiction drama were broadcast in Britain last year, executives at the BBC America cable channel observed a major spike in illegal file sharing of the show in the United States. Some stateside fans, it seemed, were unwilling to wait the two weeks between the British and American premieres.

    The BBC’s solution is to compress time and space. Taking a page from the same-day worldwide premieres of blockbuster films, the new season of “Doctor Who” will start on Saturday not just in Britain, but in the United States and Canada too.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04.....ed.html?hp

  • Wind Rider||

    Actually it was the Dr. Who premier delays that put the Egyptian, Tunisian, Libyan, and now Syrian folks into a tyranny smashing rage.

  • Yemen & Bahrain||

    No love for us?

  • Wind Rider||

    Nah, but here's 20 bucks for showing us your tits.

  • ||

    I hereby declare this the official weekend thread. To begin proceedings I offer to the gods of hellfire and silly lyrics some 80's electronic prog of the highest order.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xayRN4YnFd4

  • ||

    It being Easter weekend and all, I think I'll put this right here.

  • Wind Rider||

    I hereby declare this the official weekend thread.

    This before or after you fashioned your own car license plate and ID?

  • ||

    Business always precedes leasure.

    Watch some rugby:

    http://kostatz.webs.com/index.htm

  • Wind Rider||

    Kind of you to offer the link, but I'm only clicking that if you can guarantee that the players are all hot supermodel chicks, the field is covered with lime jello, and the ball coated with UltraGlide. I'll utterly believe anything you have to say about it, as this is the Internet, after all, so it must be true.

  • ||

    More like the following I'm afraid. But hey, there's no judgement around here. ;-)

    http://i.imgur.com/NH9tI.jpg

  • Wind Rider||

    nttawwt

  • ||

    When did Tony Stewart start taking steroids?

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • Wind Rider||

    Do they even have fig newtons in your bizarre little world? Seemingly not.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    The owner of the WTC was a Jew. How much more obvious could this conspiracy get?

  • Wind Rider||

    Oh please do tell. So far, we are all RIVETTED to the refresh button waiting for your next revelation of TRUTH!!!!11!!!! to set all our minds free, and occasionally want to skip the tuna salad from Subway.

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • 9/11 Truther||

  • ||

    Oh just stop it.

  • 9/11 Truther||

    My friend just told me that the Reason Foundation is owned by the Koch brothers. I guess the hands of the almighty hebes extend into the realm of this site.

  • Yeah,||

    You bigoted cunt and your friend, I guess that explains it all.

  • ||

    Christ, get outta my weekend thread!

  • Perry Mason||

    It's the resident troll of many faces. I think this is at least his fifth personality/character in the past few weeks. He's actually pretty good--someone always takes his bait. I'm starting to think he's a regular just fucking with everyone.

  • ||

    Yeah, I gotta admit that this was probably a pretty tip of the hat from a spoof troll:

    "The owner of the WTC was a Jew. How much more obvious could this conspiracy get?"

  • Perry Mason||

    He had me at "9/11 Truther." I hope he does "Mouth Breather" or "Soccer Mom" next.

  • ||

    Well, well, well. I want to hear that fat cunt Napolitano explain this fucking shit away.

    Raise your hand if you're surprised.

  • Sloop....||

    She may be a Stalinist cunt-of-a-bitch but calling her fat goes a bit too far.

  • ||

    I may be wrong. I tend to base my opinions on photoshooped pics.

  • Whoa, dude!||

    Dude, that's frightening.

  • If he beats the charges...||

    ...he'll get his job back. Maybe?

  • WarrenT||

    Could that guy look more like a pedo if he tried? Not that I'm assuming he's guilty.

  • Dave||

    It would seem that the guy is pretty dumb to post a picture of himself alongside child pornography, but ...

    ... considering that pictures of 16 year old girls in bikinis can be considered "child pornography" these days, and a topless photo can be judged "the worst of the worst" - who knows what those pictures really showed? You can bet that our government masters won't be allowing the public to judge for themselves.

  • ||

    Gun miraculously goes off as suspect tackled by cops. Suspect shot in groin and dies. Bullet strikes nobody else. It's a miracle.

  • ||

    Money quote:
    Burton was rushed to Temple University Hospital, where he died at 4:56 a.m. Police retrieved the gun and had processed Burton on gun charges before he died, said Det. Justin Frank.

  • ||

    An actual isolated incident.

    Finally, a cop I'd like to buy a beer.

  • Alan||

    Kudos to this cop. He's one of the 2%.

  • ||

  • 9/11 Truther||

    Bush and Co. created 9/11 so Bushy could go into Iraq and finish his daddy's war.

  • Barack Obama||

    Actually, I created it while I was a community organizer, in full knowledge that I would eventually become POTUS, own GM and command the production of the Chevy Volt...

    All so I could get my hands on some filthy Afghan lithium for my electric car empire

    Muhahahahahahaha...

  • Nirvana||

    I'm so happy cuz today I found my friends; they're in my head.

  • Obama's Volt||

    Help, I ran into a ditch and my steering wheel fell off.

  • ||

    Awesome thread. I would like to keep 9/11 truther around, but request that he post less frequently. I don't have time to laugh at all of his comments.

  • RyanXXX||

    He has to be more than one person given the frequency of his comments

  • Barack's Handlers||

    How is the polling data for a drone attack on Damascus?

  • Public Staunchly Against It||

    Which increases the likelihood of a WarJefe Obama attack on Syria. You know, a few strategically targeted drones, just be careful not to hit Mrs Assad.

  • NotSure||

    The theory of refugee crises that Europe is facing, and therefore required a Libya intervention, makes no sense. The refugees that recently arrived in Italy were mostly Tunisian, the country where democracy won, the migrants are economic migrants, the fact is that Europe was sending aid (bribes) to the dictators in the Mahgreb to stem the tide. Once democracy is in place, there will be no stopping the movement of endless refugees.

  • $20ForHeadDontCum||

    Those crazy Euros may be a bunch of unhygienic pussies, but they do have a good idea once in a while.

  • The Bearded Hobbit||

    40 Dead In Syria

    I'm eagerly awaiting the Crosby/Nash song for this.

    ... Hobbit

  • ||

    I have not seen a single trek reference in this thread.

    Reason I am disappoint.

  • 9/11 Troofer||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHZh0POURx8

    A bird of prey brought down the towers.

  • Alan||

    Ah! it all makes sense! The Klingons were constantly attacking American enterprise!

  • ||

    I just got a Trek 7000 on Friday, but I don't see how that merits a reference. With all the free time and good weather coming in a few weeks, there should be no trouble dropping back down below the 275 lb barrier.

  • ||

    Jesus Christ, you fat fuck. Ever heard of a gym membership?

  • ||

    For the price of a gym membership I can buy 30 boxes of Ho Hos. No thank you.

    I get free gym access at the college but I doubt the students would respect me anymore if they saw me on a treadmill with flab flying everywhere.

  • ||

    /facepalm

  • Atanarjuat||

    They might make fun of you at first, but they'd respect when you made some solid progress.

  • prolefeed||

    I've never seen anyone mocked at the Y where I work out, ever. If you show up, you're trying to get in shape, and that's not subject to criticism.

    Maybe other gyms are full of a-holes. Dunno.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Even originalism is part of "The Living Constitution" tradition because, after all, it's only "ink on parchment".

    Critics of originalism are in a bind. When ideas are reduced to icons, which, unfortunately, is the ordinary state of affairs, constitutionalism and originalism look exactly the same: the faux parchment stands for both. But originalism and constitutionalism are not the same, and the opposite of original is not unconstitutional. Originalism is one method of constitutional interpretation. Popular originalism is originalism scrawled with Magic Markers, on poster board. The N.R.A. opposed gun-control laws. It argued, at length, and over years, that those laws violated the Second Amendment. Eventually, the Supreme Court agreed. So far, the Tea Party’s passions ignite faster and are stated more simply. A sign at a Tea Party rally in Temecula, California: “Impeach Obama: He’s Unconstitutional.”

    The Constitution is ink on parchment. It is forty-four hundred words. And it is, too, the accreted set of meanings that have been made of those words, the amendments, the failed amendments, the struggles, the debates—the course of events—over more than two centuries. It is not easy, but it is everyone’s. It is the rule of law, the opinions of the Court, the stripes on William Grimes’s back, a shrine in the National Archives, a sign carried on the Washington Mall, and the noise all of us make when we disagree. If the Constitution is a fiddle, it is also all the music that has ever been played on it. Some of that music is beautiful; much of it is humdrum; some of it sounds like hell.

    To liberals, words only mean what they want them to mean out of expedience.

  • mad libertarian guy||

  • Confederal_Republic_by_2030||

    Do you guys remember those protesters in Iraq a few years ago, that small contingent of highly pro-American protesters? They were carrying copies of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, Old Glory, and even a few Gadsden flags, and there was some dude blogging about the possibility of statehood. That was cool. They've probably been executed now.

  • ||

    Cant help but wonder who comes up with that stuff. Wow.

    www.complete-privacy.au.tc

  • Achtung Coma Baby||

    What the fuck is a "hebe twang"?

  • RyanXXX||

    So we have a repressed Shia majority overthrowing a Sunni dictator in Bahrain, and the inverse happening in Syria?

    Brings to mind last week's Wall Street Journal column that made the case that what this Mideast turmoil comes down to is a power struggle between Saudi Arabia and Iran

  • Ralph ||

    World Libertarians have been driving dialogue and change. See http://www.Libertarian-International.org

  • rianfu21||

    ohhh :o i really feel shocked 2 bullets in his boday and he feels no pain oooooh really shocking thing the spirit i salute him for the power if you want more you can Click Here for more info......

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