Nick Gillespie | June 1, 2009
Administration officials said late Sunday the federal government would provide an additional $30 billion to GM—which has already received about $20 billion in government loans—to help it restructure through bankruptcy. GM will follow a similar course taken by Chrysler LLC, which filed for Chapter 11 protection in April and hopes to emerge from its government-sponsored bankruptcy this week.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity in advance of Obama's public remarks, said the administration expects the court process to last 60 to 90 days. If successful, GM will emerge as a leaner company with a smaller work force, fewer plants and a trimmed dealership network....
GM will move forward with four core brands—Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. The company plans to cut 21,000 employees, about 34 percent of its work force, and reduce the number of dealers by 2,600. GM was announcing plans to close 11 facilities, idle three others and name the buyer of its Hummer division. GM's stock dropped to its lowest price in company history Friday, closing at just 75 cents. The shares will be virtually worthless in a Chapter 11 reorganization.
According to the latest plan, the U.S. government will own 60 percent of the company, 12 percent would go to Canada and the province of Ontario, 17.5 percent to a union trust, and 10 percent to the bondholders.
There's about $27 billion in outstanding debt owed in institutional and individual investors, 54 percent of which voted in favor of the above Chapter 11 deal. The retiree health care fund for the UAW is owed about $20 billion but gets a bigger chunk of the company, which is one of the reasons some bondholders are pissed (and exactly how the feds end up with six times the ownership share is anybody's guess, though the Obama folks point to the original terms President Bush laid out and say they are similar).
Ignore for the moment any discussion of the actual terms of the deal and think of the psychology that follows from this sort of massive intervention. Suddenly, we've gone from basic conversations about whether the government should intervene at all in private industry (and the money to do in this case is coming from that pot supposedly limited to financial institutions, which is a whole other mega- and meta-question) to haggling over terms. The feds have indeed learned something from the car industry, and that's how to squeeze the taxpayer/customer for every dime while discombobulating them in the showroom.
But rest assured, the feds will be covering all those warranties on Chevy Cobalts and Cadillac Hybrids. I look forward to seeing Ray LaHood (look him up, though it will take a while to find out who he is at the Dept. of Transportation's own website) getting under those hoods.
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I thought the government was getting 70%, not 60%. Not that it matters though, they shouldn't be getting a damn thing!
The reason they are getting Whatever-the-large-percent is because anyone else taking over that clusterfuck of a company would be tossing the Unions to the curb, along with their pension funds, healthcare plans, etc. GM has now become a government created welfare/jobs program for the auto-unions. It's no longer a car company.
GM has now become a government created welfare/jobs program
for the auto-unions. It's no longer a car company.
I thought it stopped being a car company and became a bank several
decades ago.
-jcr
PJ O'Rourke had a great piece in the Wall Street Journal last
week. Basically it said leftists hate cars because they hate
freedom. Before cars we were all stuck in small neighborhoods and
all had to live close enough to walk to work or close enough to a
train to take it to work. Thanks to the car, we can now live
wherever the hell we want to. And that drives leftists crazy. They
just hate the idea of people having freedom. They don't care about
global warming or sprawl or anything else. They care about freedom.
They hate the idea of people living how and where they want to
live. Going back to the 40s leftists have hated the suburbs. They
never forgave the post war suburb for eliminating the need for
government communal housing like they had in Eastern Europe. The
suburbs are just the cake provided by the market people chose over
the dry bread provided by government.
This whole GM thing is about more than just paying off unions. It
is about destroying the car. It is about making cars as expensive,
hard to get and unreliable as possible. It is about making it so
people can't live and do what they want to.
Needless to say, I won't be considering a GM car in the future. If I was Ford. I'd be trying to figure out how to ditch the UAW which can't be trusted to build a decent car for a private sector company.
James Ard,
"Union Free and Government Free" sounds like a good slogan for a
car company. I wonder if all those Obama voters who have spent the
last 25 years distaining American cars are going to sell their
Accords and Priuses and buy American now that Obama is responsible
for GM and Chrysler? I seriously doubt it. Buying poorly built,
unionized, government provided cars is something that is no doubt
the duty of the little people.
If you think military base closings got congresscritters tits in
a flutter, wait'll the plant closings* (GM ain't close to being
done downsizing) are announced by Government Motors.
When you hear me laughing over it, know I'll be crying
inside.
* Dealerships being hung out to dry have bought a politician or 50
as well.
I don't know what it all means, but last summer I bought a used Saab from the son of the new head of Chrysler. (True story.)
"If you think military base closings got congresscritters tits
in a flutter, wait'll the plant closings* (GM ain't close to being
done downsizing) are announced by Government Motors."
Once we are paying for GM's losses, the argument will be that we
have to have protectionism. How can we allow people to buy foreign
cars when doing so is at the expense of the tax payer will be the
argument. The end state BO and his chronies are hoping for is to
have complete control over what cars Americans are allowed to
buy.
Sad. This month's Wired magazine has an article about small
startup automotive companies. They're specializing in designing
auto parts, rather than whole vehicles. It's a new way of doing
things, and has the potential of saving the auto industry in the
US. Venture capitalists have sunk $300 million into these
firms.
Looks like they just got fucked by the government (worse than the
rest of us).
"This month's Wired magazine has an article about small startup
automotive companies. They're specializing in designing auto parts,
rather than whole vehicles. It's a new way of doing things, and has
the potential of saving the auto industry in the US. Venture
capitalists have sunk $300 million into these firms."
Think about it. Why the hell does the country only have three auto
makers. We don't have only three computer makers. We don't have
only three department stores. In any other industry, the names and
companies have changed over the years. Fifty years ago, people went
to Penny's and Sears and Wollworths. Now they go to Target, Wall
Mart and CVS. Why hasn't anyone been able to start a new car
company in literally over 70 years. I think at least part of the
answer lies with someone whose initials are U.A.W.
Thanks to the car, we can now live wherever the hell we want
to.
You forgot to thank the government's multi-billion dollar road
construction & mortgage assistance programs, but I suppose that
would harm the "rugged individualist" argument that you and Mr.
O'Rourke are trying to fabricate.
Why GMC?
What does GMC sell that isn't a rebadged Chevrolet?
At least Saturn made a distinctly different car. Not one anyone
wanted, apparently. But they were different.
Of course, if GMC is going to go with its heavy trucks and leave
the light truck biz to Chevy, I can see some sense in that.
"You forgot to thank the government's multi-billion dollar road
construction & mortgage assistance programs, but I suppose that
would harm the "rugged individualist" argument that you and Mr.
O'Rourke are trying to fabricate."
Where do you think the government got that money to do that? They
taxed it from everyone. Yeah, people were tired of living in cities
at the end of World War Two. So they got together, paid some taxes
and built a bunch of roads and houses so they didn't have to live
there anymore. It was probably the greatest single improvement to
the quality of life in the history of the country.
If you don't like the fact that we built roads and helped people
get mortgages (and I am talking about the days when we gave
reasonable mortgages not the insanity of the last 15 years) what is
your sollution? What should we have done? Said, no "we can't build
roads and let people live where they want"? Is that it? Tell the
country to fuck off because to give them the services they wanted
because we have better things to spend our money on, like trains no
one wants.
So it's perfectly OK for the government to tax everyone in order to give some subset you are claiming to be "everyone" something they want?
"So it's perfectly OK for the government to tax everyone in
order to give some subset you are claiming to be "everyone"
something they want?"
You are just being a troll and highjacking the thread. The roads
now exist. Maybe it was wrong to build them. The demand for suburbs
was so great in the 1950s, the market would have no doubt built
them anyway. So what are you going to do now? Make war on people's
freedoms because you are pissed off about President Eisenhower's
tax policies?
People like having yards and living in the burbs. Good for them.
The question is can you stand letting people make choices your
don't like or is "freedom" for you just the freedom to only do what
you approve of?
Goddammit, I typed this all and it didnt go anywhere.
Here goes again.
John,
Rhywun is right. Taxes are bad mmmkay. Forcing people who live in
the cities to pay for roads for people who live in the suburbs is
wrong. Wrong any way you look at it.
If the market would have paid for the roads to be built, then let
the market pay for them.
Looks like they just got fucked by the government (worse
than the rest of us).
It's their own fault for engaging in innovation without giving
politicians a chance to claim credit for any successes they
achieve.
"If the market would have paid for the roads to be built, then
let the market pay for them."
Fine then let them. But how does that mean that we should let OBama
determine what cars we can drive?
FWIW, saying mmkay went out with the first GW Bush term.
Ya know, of all the things that governments do with my tax
money, building and maintaining roads is pretty close to last on my
list of things to complain about.
The roads are open to everyone. Everyone benefits from the commerce
that the roads make possible.
That some people took advantage of an opportunity that is open to
everyone to live a lifestyle that you disapprove of is a pretty
weak reason to complain about the role of government in creating
that opportunity.
No, I agree with your larger point.
Liberals hate freedom (at least the freedoms they don't agree
with).
They hate cars because they give people freedom (freedoms the don't
agree with).
I just disagree with this part:
""people were tired of living in cities at the end of World War
Two. So they got together, paid some taxes ""
They didn't get together and pay some taxes. I mean that is
probably how taxes should work, but it isn't how they do
work.
Also
"Mmmmkay" is in everytime I watch a re-run of that Southpark
episode.
"You forgot to thank the government's multi-billion dollar
road construction & mortgage assistance programs, but I suppose
that would harm the "rugged individualist" argument that you and
Mr. O'Rourke are trying to fabricate."
As someone who has constructed his own road extensions that the
public can use as it wills (no, no thanks required) so they can get
comfortably around a piece of ruralburb land I own, I can vouch
that road construction is not expensive and the technology involved
is at best, simple.
Tunnel and bridges are somewhat more complex, but I have seen the
amount of money contracted to pave a strip of near flat land going
several miles cost several million dollars in my locality. Whereas,
rental fees, materials and time, I could have done for a few
thousand dollars.
The government has jacked the price astronomically above what it
would have been under a private system. And to that I am suppose to
say, 'thanks'? Only if I were blind stinkin' ignorant would I feel
a thanks to be called for in this matter.
John, you are absolutely right. Here's a gem from our Messiah:
"I'm not interested in the suburbs. The suburbs bore me." He and
all of the other statist, urbanist, environmental twits hate cars.
They carp about "sprawl" which is what happens when you let people
choose where they want to live. Fortunately, most people are too
tied to their cars to have them taken away. They can hurt us, but
not kill us.
PS: In 10 years, any car made by either GM or Crysler is going to
be an overpriced piece of crap. If anyone wants to support the US
car industry, buy a Ford. Or start your own car company. Hopefully,
you'll fare better than Preston Tucker.
If anyone wants to support the US car industry, buy a
Ford.
Or a Toyota, or a Nissan, or a BMW, or any other car made in US
plants.
My most recent car purchase was a Toyota FJ Cruiser, one of the
last models sold in this country and made entirely in Japan. For
me, that was a real plus.
alan
I doubt that your "road construction" has been done to anywhere
near the standards of the public road your referring to. And
probably does not have anywher near the drainage and utility
infrastructure. Probably didn't have to be phased so as to
accomodate thousands of cars every day as though nothing was going
on.
Which of the laws is it? "The less you know about something, the
easier it is."
And roads do have to be constructed to these standards and
adequately drained if they are going to hold up under the traffic
loads they'll be subjected to.
I've been in road construction for over forty years and I can tell
you that there is very little fat in either the engineering or
construction costs for public roads.
That is not to say that the government hasn't increased costs by
imposing higher standards for maintenance of traffic when
reconstructing active roads and higher standards for stormwater
runoff treatment.
But those things were all in response to public demand. And people
still bitch about the inconvenience of driving in a construction
zone.
According to the latest plan, the U.S. government will own 60 percent of the company, 12 percent would go to Canada and the province of Ontario, 17.5 percent to a union trust, and 10 percent to the bondholders.
So the U.A.W. actually owns 77.5 percent then? And wasn't the point
of bailing out GM to avoid bankruptcy in the firstplace? These
clowns couldn't run a lemonade stand.
The head of the UAW was interviewed about the Chrysler deal. He
said that the union would sell there shares as soon as they could
so they could shore up the retirement fund.
As near as I can tell, they're not the least bit interested in
future viability of the companies. Thjey just want as much cash as
they can get.
Of course, they'll continue to milk Ford for all it's worth and
they continue trying to organize other other non-auto industrial
shops.
I wonder how much it would have cost to let Government Motors fail with no "loans". Seems like we could have retrained and supported all the unemployed workers for less.
Which of the laws is it? "The less you know about something,
the easier it is."
That would be the Third Iron Law.
I've been in road construction for over forty years and I
can tell you that there is very little fat in either the
engineering or construction costs for public roads.
That has to be the funniest fucking sentence I have ever read. Did
you write it with a straight face?
That plan would be a way too sensible and pragmatic, Willis. You lack the kind of vision that makes our leaders great.
BTW, my actions were entirely in compliance with state
regulations, you make storm water runoff sound like a special case
that laymen can't grasp when it is not.
I'm wondering if this Iron Law, you cite actually works in reverse.
The more something is at the center of your work experience the
more you need to justify it in the grand scheme of things.
Hey there, i'm Annalisa and I work for GM... There's a lot out
there about how the restructuring deal is unfair to our
bondholders. But a majority of our bondholders voted in favor of
the settlement, suggesting they believedthey'd fare better under an
organized Ch. 11 process rather than liquidation.
...and about "government motors"...really, the President and every
other government participant in this deal has stated unequivocally
they want no role in day-to-day operation of GM... and there isn't
much in it for the them politcally or for the UST to influence GM's
operations beyond normal regulatory mandates like safety. IMO we
won't be "Government Motors", DMV-like experience at our
dealerships, or see a Pelosi2000 sedan - the only role the
government expects to have is financial...
But a majority of our bondholders voted in favor of the
settlement, suggesting they believedthey'd fare better under an
organized Ch. 11 process rather than liquidation.
Or they watched the Chrysler deal and decided they didn't want to
get threatened publicly by the government.
Annalisa, first of all sorry to hear that the company you work
for is going bankrupt. That can't be fun.
First of all, 54% of the bondholders voted for, which means 46%
didn't voted against. That's a pretty significant minority.
Secondly, I believe that on some level the President and other
government officials didn't want to get involved. But they are
involved. Totally analogous to government officials that say, "We
don't want to be involved in Iraq." Well, we are.
Why hasn't anyone been able to start a new car company in
literally over 70 years.
Regulatory lockout. The industry is so heavily regulated that it's
basically impossible for a startup to make it, which is exactly how
the incumbents liked it.
When you say regulatory lockout, do you mean regulations pertaining to gasoline-burning engines, or is it something more encompassing? I ask because I'm wondering if startups like Tesla that make all-electric cars would get caught up in it, too.
By "regulatory lockout" I mean that the cost and complexity of the regulations are such that new small competitors cannot enter the market. Since the cost of safety or emissions certification is the same whether you sell 5,000 or 1,000,000 units, a new manufacturer must have a way upscale product or be priced out of the market. That's Tesla's problem in a nutshell. At the price they need to charge to pay for regulatory costs, they can't sell enough to make a difference to the environment because the middle class can't afford them, and as cars they're rather pathetic compared to other cars you can buy in their price range like a Mercedes S-Class.
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