Radley Balko | November 15, 2007

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No offense, Balko, but here is a Fox-related (but not affiliated) site that gives a perspective on why we see more of that stuff on Fox but not CNN or msnbc. This came to me attention just today: foxnewsporn.com (not hardcore).
This is...utterly unsurprising. Why would anyone become a cop?
It's not for the pay, or the ease of the job. It's for power. And
since chicks tend to like power, and some like guys in uniform,
that's another bonus.
And whose fucking idea is it to put pantyhose on short-shorts
wearing girls? The little bit of cellulite you might hide is
completely offset by the utter cheap shittiness of it. It's not
like the girls are fat.
Best local news story ever. Too bad it's on the worst local tv website ever. You'd think they'd have at least a few bucks to buy a cheap template or something.
I'm not sure which is more offenive-the cop's actions or the "news" coverage of it. Man, I'm glad I got out of journalism.
The best part: his defense that the Hooters stuff is legal because they were in Alabama, where you're allowed to display guns in public. Nothing about misusing city resources, or doing shots on paid time. I wonder how often that excuse will work, "I was in Alabama! There aren't any f'ing ;laws here."
The hooters photos are the least damning of the allegations in
the story but the only reason this story was actually
reported.
Racist abuse? Misallocation of police resources? Rampant corruption
in an elite unit? Yawn.
Hooters girls with guns? Stop the presses!
Hooters girls with guns? Stop the presses!
I appreciate your outrage, but this is so fucking obvious it didn't
seem to require mention.
If it takes some tits to get police corruption on the radar, what's
the down side?
Former Alabama resident and gun owner here. It is indeed legal to carry firearms publicly, but it is not legal to do so in an establishment that serves alchohol.
Look at the bright side--that shotgun in a waitress' hands means
it can't be pointed at a grandmother who lives at an address some
coerced informant coughed up to get 2 months knocked off his
probation.
I say Kudos to girl-loving SWAT teams too busy to serve warrants on
jay-walkers and tax dodgers.
Episiarch: The downside is that it gives nanny-staters reasons to ban guns and boobs. The abusive cops are fine but the guns and boobs have got to go.
The best part: his defense that the Hooters stuff is legal
because they were in Alabama, where you're allowed to display guns
in public.
I was more concerned about what he said next: That the guns were
privately owned. I didn't know you can buy and carry such big
fucking guns (TM) in the US. I also didn't know that people who own
said guns and travel with them around the country have been
declared mentally fit to be SWAT officers.
This story needs to be submitted to hotchickswithdouchebags.com, a.k.a. douchebags and more douchebags.
My favorite is the image of the logo on their swat van - a death commando skeleton with drawn guns.
Former Alabama resident and gun owner here. It is indeed
legal to carry firearms publicly, but it is not legal to do so in
an establishment that serves alchohol.
Slight correction. As a current AL resident, it is indeed legal to
carry a concealed weapon in public with the proper permits, but
it's not legal to open carry.
P.S. AL also has some of the most stingent transport laws. They
basically have to be unloaded and locked in a separete compartment
(trunk)from any driver or passenger. I wonder if this SWAT team
followed all these laws while they were passing through.
I was more concerned about what he said next: That the guns
were privately owned. I didn't know you can buy and carry such big
fucking guns (TM) in the US. I also didn't know that people who own
said guns and travel with them around the country have been
declared mentally fit to be SWAT officers.
Uh, Jozef, I believe you are a foreigner, right? It is perfectly
legal to have those guns privately owned. What are you freaking out
about, the 12-guage with the light hardware that looked really big
because it was held by 5'2" girl and was shot with a wide angle
lens that made it look bigger because it was in the
foreground?
I've travelled through many states with a 12-guage like that (no
stupid flashlight though). My mental fitness is fine.
I however did not bust out the 12-guage to impress some Hooters
chicks. I usually rely on my looks and charm rather than my power
over fellow citizens and gun.
I have many a problem with SWAT teams. I just can't really stand
the whole "Gotcha" aspect of (usually) men enjoying themselves and
then coming up with the petty laws that we might be able to stick
them. The pictures seem pretty tame to be perfectly honest.
Again, I can't stand the SWAT nation we live in and the power trip
that members seem to get off on but this news just provides talking
points outside of what is really wrong with SWAT teams.
What's next, catching a cop smoking a cigarette? And on company
time too!!!
I am absolutely shocked!
There are over a dozen pictures of Hooters girls holding guns and
not a single of one of them has their finger on the trigger! How
the hell did they manage that. I usually have to use a cattle prod
to teach novice gun users to get their fingers off the triggers but
these cops seemed to have accomplished it without resorting to
force.
As to the rest of it: I think this just reaffirms my long standing
belief that New York is the most provincial and insular part the
U.S. Its hysterically funny that the people of New York have become
such passive wimps that the sight of chicks with guns shocks them
to the core.
Am I the only one who finds it strange that the "KKK hood" shot
appears to be the only image obviously cropped. I wonder if that
could be that peering through two holes in a napkin really doesn't
look like a hood unless you hide the edges of the napkin?
Naw!
Jozef,
I didn't know you can buy and carry such big fucking guns (TM)
in the US.
All the guns pictured are available "off the rack" as it were at
everyone of my neighborhood gun shops. Incidentally, none of the
weapons shown would qualify as "big fucking guns" for anybody with
testicles.
Or ovaries for that matter.
Am I the only one here who saw this and thought "Jesus, what the hell would have happened if one of the dozen untrained civilians holding an assault weapon for the first time fired it accidentally at the wrong moment"? Especially if the people responsible for said guns were drunk at the time? Seriously, it's not hard to see what's wrong with that picture, and it's got nothing to do with tits.
I think you are being too hard on our enlisted dudes...they are just trying to blow off a little stress as they return from their deployment in a combat zone. I forgot though, which branch of the armed services is the SWAT corp?
I have to say the reporting was so bad, I instictively wanted to
side with the cops.
Seriously, you don't have to sound breathlessly appalled every
other word.
Jesus Chrysler, I'm still LOL.
Am I the only one here who saw this and thought "Jesus, what
the hell would have happened if one of the dozen untrained
civilians holding an assault weapon for the first time fired it
accidentally at the wrong moment"?
Probably.
Although SOP for most of us to assume any weapon is loaded and to
act accordingly, it is also not very likely that any of these
weapons were loaded.
Am I the only one here who saw this and thought "Jesus, what
the hell would have happened if one of the dozen untrained
civilians holding an assault weapon for the first time fired it
accidentally at the wrong moment"?
It didn't occur to me because, well, I am a responsible gun owner
and just assumed that at the very least they must be
unloaded.
But then you reminded me that we're talking about cops, who will
arrest you without blinking for doing something (possibly)
irresponsible with a gun that they do all the time.
I was associated with NYPD cops (not my choice, long story) when I
lived in NYC, and some of the stories they told made me boil with
rage, like a (very high up) cop getting angry (he was already
buzzed) while arguing with another (high up) cop and shooting his
fucking gun into the ceiling in the police station. Of
course, nothing happened to him.
Shannon, like Pain, I hate siding with cops.
And yes, I think you are exactly right, the napkin shot was cropped
to make it dovetail with the white supremacista news story
angle.
To be sure, the Looie is probably a scum sucker, espc if he's using
the cops for manual labor around the house, so let's nail him for
that.
You're also right to note that in a state where Hiro Nakayama would
be arrested for trotting cross town with his samurai sword, chicks
with guns has got to play well on local TV.
But, it is a great story and I'm still LOL.
Is it normal police procedure to let their officers use their
own private weapons as part of their official business? That seems
pretty shady to me. Methinks he's lying to the TV station.
And Shannon, it's not the chicks with guns, it the abuse of public
resources. I know you're a big fan of the police state and it gives
you an excuse to bash New Yorkers, but the fact that public
resources are being wasted. And the fact that local news
overdramatizes pictures and takes them out of context isn't a NY
thing alone.
Epi, there was a time in my life when, for several years, I was around a lot of cops. I liked them, they were funny, but man it just gives you the creeps to know what is really going on in their brains.
Episiarch: Thanks for the clarification. Despite me having been living in the deep south for three and a half years, I haven't seen a real-life gun yet. I always assumed that the biggest you can get (other than hunting rifles) are Dirty Harry - like Magnums. I didn't realize that Commando was a documentary...
Is it just me, or does the SWAT lieutenant look kind of like Zach Braff as he will appear 30 years in the future?
TWC, I don't like them, don't find them funny, and yes they
fucking give me the creeps.
Try talking with a NYPD detective, who carries 2 guns but practices
with them one time a year. Then you tell him you are a gun owner
and have a pistol permit and can carry (not in NYC, of course, just
outside), and that you practice once or twice a week.
Then watch his face contort into a mask of suspicion while he
snarls "you aren't carrying now, are you?" as if I would illegally
carry my gun into NYC (which I would, but not when I know I'll be
around fucking cops).
Then when you tell him you aren't, he relaxes and says something to
the effect of "that would be dangerous because you don't know what
you're doing". From a guy who practices once a year because the
department forces him to.
This is just one of a number of examples, and is extra good for
highlighting the "cop vs. civilians" mentality.
Mo, most jurisdictions allow officers some discretion as to the
weapons they carry. I didn't look really carefully but I wouldn't
be surprised if the weapons came right out of the SWAT van. They
did have the SWAT van, right?
But still, if they were in 'bama, they must have been on the way
home. And while I see your point about 'on duty', being on the way
home isn't the same as standing guard at a flooded warehouse in
NOLA.
Wonder how many of those dorks are still married after that
broadcast?
I'm still LOL.
Jozef, it's just a shotgun. That is the absolute easiest type of gun you can get in even the most restrictive parts of the country.
Oh, forgot to say, the capital offense that deserves a hanging
is that whole it's okay cuz it's legal down here where the owls
screw the chickens schtick.
But that's a time honored tradition in American jurisprudence.
Technicalities. Nobody gives a shit about the truth so long as all
the tees are crossed, the eyes are dotted, and the attorneys get
paid. Saw some of that yesterday with the Blackwell technicalities
that Jacob mentioned.
I'm not sure which is more offenive-the cop's actions or the
"news" coverage of it. Man, I'm glad I got out of
journalism.
One thing I've found entertaining about local news is that,
whenever someone doesn't want to be identified on camera, the
cameraman simply shoots their crotch.
This is universal, I've seen it everywhere...
The Wine Commonsewer | November 15, 2007, 3:03pm | #
Here's a hot chick with an even BIGGER gun.
Hells yeah!
Nothing hotter than a millitary women on a Spectre gunship about to
blast something to smithereens with the "extreme prejudice" of a
Vulcan Cannon...and she's got some purty grey eyes...
Mo,
And Shannon, it's not the chicks with guns, it the abuse of
public resources."
Well, unless I misunderstood the report, the guns were the private
property of local police in Arkansas and that the activities in the
pictures had absolutely nothing to do with allegations of
corruption in New York. It appears to me, based on the report
itself, that the officers just partied while they were traveling on
company time which is very unusual except for everybody who isn't
an actual monk sworn to a life of poverty.
What's important here is that the news reporters expect their
viewers to be shocked and outraged that the police were letting
civilians handle GUNS, the tools of the devil! Why guns are so
fantastically dangerous that touching one drives a person
permanently insane. It comical and shows the degree to which people
in New York have been broken to the lash and rendered near
children.
I know you're a big fan of the police state..
No, I just don't think the actual police and military are the main
threat. I am far more concerned by a tax code that tracks every
expense or a regulatory environment that dictates peoples choices
in food, clothing, shelter, medical care and virtually every other
facet of their lives they need to actually live free.
...and it gives you an excuse to bash New Yorkers,
So, incredibly guilty. Most people from New York are so damn
passive it simply creeps me out. I realize that its a cultural
thing and that I grew up in an environment where authority was to
distant to help and wherein people had to do it themselves or die
but the Northeast urban culture of standing around waiting for
commands just weirds me out.
No, I just don't think the actual police and military are
the main threat. I am far more concerned by a tax code that tracks
every expense or a regulatory environment that dictates peoples
choices in food, clothing, shelter, medical care and virtually
every other facet of their lives they need to actually live
free.
All of which is only important if there is a state that can back it
up with force.
Epi, how do you really feel about cops? :-)
I've had enough run-ins with the PO-leece that I am not fond of
them neither.
Course your first mistake was discussing guns with a cop. :-)
Dangerman, need to lean into it a little more....LOL
Frank A, glad to be or service. [grins, hoists a cup of coffee, sez
cheers]
none of the weapons shown would qualify as "big fucking
guns" for anybody with testicles.
Or ovaries for that matter.
Preach on, sister Shannon.
Since we're on guns....
http://www.ammoday.com/
November 19th is National Ammo Day, you ought to buy some. You'll
need it come the Night of the Long Knives. Just make sure you're on
the right side of the barricades.
tip of the glass to Col Hogan
Is it normal police procedure to let their officers use
their own private weapons as part of their official
business?
Not unusual. Most departments will let you use your own gun if you
don't like department issue, and at least some used to require
officers to supply their own.
Methinks he's lying to the TV station.
Of course he is. If that's full auto (and its SWAT, so you know it
is), then even cops can't own it privately without a Class III
license, which I guarantee you they don't have.
The report didn't say it was private property. The cop that was
accused claimed it was their own, when calling the same TV station
that he didn't want to talk to in person (because he "wasn't
home"). I'm guessing going across state borders to work on a relief
operations, they were given department equipment.
And the fact that he's making police officers work on his own
property during their paid time has nothing to do with it. Why no
expose on the other half dozen officers that were at the Hooters
event?
No, I just don't think the actual police and military are the
main threat. I am far more concerned by a tax code that tracks
every expense or a regulatory environment that dictates peoples
choices in food, clothing, shelter, medical care and virtually
every other facet of their lives they need to actually live
free.
What planet are you on where the government determines what I where
I live and what I wear? Obviously, you don't read this site if
you're not concerned about police power and their abuse of
it.
While I don't think that New Yorkers are passive? Heck, it's the
rest of the country that was crapping their pants after 9-11 and
letting the government trample over their rights. I noticed people
in the South deferring to authority as well. Same goes for the
Midwest and even, though less so, in the West. It's a human nature
thing.
Mo,
The report said that the guns were not the property of the New York
police department. Even if they were, so what? Guns are just tools
to Cops, farmers and others who use them on daily basis. If the
city issued him a laptop and he poised with a hooters girl holding
his laptop would it be a big issue?
I don't see the connection between the hooters incident and his
abuse of his office back in New York proper.
What planet are you on where the government determines what I
where I live and what I wear?
Building permits? Rent Control? Housing subsidies?
Inspectors?Property taxes? Tried painting a room in a historical
building? If you think you have the right to create and inhabit any
shelter that you resources allow you are seriously delusional.
You've also never tried to build or remodel a house. And you
really, really, really never tried to develop property.
The state controls a vast swath of what you consume by controlling
the people who produce it. You can't "choose" to buy what the state
doesn't let others produce. You think your free to choose where to
live but in reality you can only choose to live in the places the
State allows to exist. The same dynamic applies to all other
goods.
While I don't think that New Yorkers are passive?
Compared to say, Texans, they are very, very passive. Do you want
to guess why there is no mob in Texas? You should look into the
story of how BFI a Texan company broke the mobs hold on New York
garbage pickup. Somehow, the people of New York tolerated these
yahoos extorting and terrorizing them for decades. A bunch of
Texans show up and the problem disappears.
I am particularly repulsed by the many people I meet from large
urban areas of the Northeast who are actively proud and brag about
the fact that they cannot and will not defend themselves or others.
They consider it a badge of honor and a mark of status that they
rely soley on the State to rescue them. They shudder at the thought
of taking action themselves and denigrate those who do.
I think this news story largely reflective of this attitude.
know you can buy and carry such big fucking guns (TM) in the
US. I also didn't know that people who own said guns and travel
with them around the country have been declared mentally fit to be
SWAT officers.
Uh, Jozef, I believe you are a foreigner, right? It is perfectly
legal to have those guns privately owned.
Well, one of them may be debateable = there's a pic of something
like a M4/SOPMOD that (unless the barrel length is 12"+ and is
semi-only) wouldnt be kosher AFAIK to be pulling out at a hooters
boozing party.
I dont know what the rules are regarding off-duty use of Mil/LE
rated carbines, but in general, it strikes me as odd that these
guys would privately own street-legal weapons that they also use on
the job. Maybe they do? Who knows. Doesnt really change the
incredible stupidity of the whole thing.
Hoboken, FWIW, has for decades been the mecca of douchebags. Most
NYr's refer to hoboken only in the contect a derogatory remark.
Like, "he probably lives in Hoboken". It used to be nothing but
guidos who worked shitty sales jobs in Manhattan. I suspect this
SWAT team behaves largely the same way in their own town. The
'boss' there has douche written all over him. This is sort of par
for the course for that town.
Shannon Love | November 15, 2007, 2:37pm | #
I am absolutely shocked!... I think this just reaffirms my long
standing belief that New York is the most provincial and insular
part the U.S. Its hysterically funny that the people of New York
have become such passive wimps that the sight of chicks with guns
shocks them to the core....Most people from New York are so damn
passive it simply creeps me out. I realize that its a cultural
thing and that I grew up in an environment where authority was to
distant to help and wherein people had to do it themselves or die
but the Northeast urban culture of standing around waiting for
commands just weirds me out
Hey Shannon? Hoboken is in NEW JERSEY
...of course, only new yorkers are 'provincial'...
And you dont know the first fucking thing about this place. You can
be "shocked" by your imagination all you want. If you think people
"stand around waiting for commands"... you have indeed either never
been here, or spent your time amongst Tourists in times square. Get
a fucking life you dumb cunt.
...and maybe just to add to my "FUCK YOU, YOU DUMB SELF
IMPORTANT HICK" ranting...
this news story was brought to you by Fox, the shitty NYPost-style
conservative nightly news tabloid news program whose mandate for
sensationalism has little to do with what NYrs find 'shocking' or
not, and everything to do with today's "lets make everything a
scandal" culture. Whether this is dumber than the Iowa state
legistature accusing Satan of trying to undermine the institution
of marriage, i can't say, but it may be more of a difference in
kind than in degree
Shannon,
Save your "Northerners are passive wimps; here in the South we take
care of our own" spiel. Throw that attitude around in the Bronx and
tell me how passive they are. Louisiana is in the South - they
stood around and waited (and waited and waited). I live in NC now
and I can see the same thing happening here. I could not imagine
the same happening in my home state of Maine.
correction = I double checked, and limit for street legal carbines is a 16" barrel, not 12". The one in the pics looked like 14.5" to me, but im just a civvy and havent handled one since my "6 months of ROTC" days, so who knows
Isn't the question about the intelligence of allowing loaded
(large) guns into the hands of people who don't have the training
to use them? Maybe that's what this is all about.
Of course, since this is Alabama...I wouldn't be surprised if the
females in question know at least as much about guns (and the
safety issues) as the guys do.
Meh, chalk it up to Fox breathless news service and the frisson any
red-blooded male gets watching a cute blonde chick play around with
his piece.
I just want to know whose crap-ass market research taught these
TV newscasters that dropping the predicates from sentences was the
most effective way to grab viewers.
These pictures released two weeks ago. And now these pictures
from a swat team trip. Inside, even more kinky."
Ugh. It's goddamned brain-numbing.
Tom | November 15, 2007, 8:20pm | #
I just want to know whose crap-ass market research taught these TV
newscasters that dropping the predicates from sentences was the
most effective way to grab viewers.
Tom -
this has been common practice in 'business english' (also 'miltary
english'), which has leaked into News English, probably to the
detriment of the quality of most news programming. The whole idea
is to state facts with as few words as possible. It boils into
Pidgen at times, which is very bad - i used to moan about it at a
management consultancy I worked at. People couldn't express a
complex idea in a coherent sentence. Emails often sounded like
"mungo": 'Go do the thing. Make Good. More harder. Fun have, good
product make. Require diverse attention. Penalties possible.
Questions about individual objectives discouraged. Improvise with
approval of legal department." All you got from it was that we
probably had a new contract client and that the salespeople and
executives had no idea what they'd actually agreed to do.
Increasinly people resorted to 'bulleting' everything, and let the
associated argument/explaination simply be left unstated, which
seemed ridiculous, given that the very job we were supposed to be
doing = making sense of disparate facts and showing how they
interrelated.
News people are trying to create new "impactful!" lingo and rhythm
to reach out to both tp otherwise well-educated people, as well as
those who find commas etc disorienting. I know a little partly
because i've worked with media consultants who focus on this very
stuff. The more shit you can shovel per minute is really the main
driver. But they really dont seem to understand the difference
between the 'sitting in the airport bar' level of attention and
actual news reporting. It's easier to just do headlines and a few
dramatised limited 'facts' (Pictures!) than actually try and tell a
story.
The only news I can watch without headaches and flinching is the
News Hour on PBS. Thank jeebus for them.
They shudder at the thought of taking action themselves and
denigrate those who do.
Kitty Genovese knows all about that.
TWC,
Kitty Genovese is more of an example of the volunteers dilemma than
the callousness or passivity of New Yorkers*. It's why when you're
in an emergency situation and need to dole out tasks (say car
accident), you tell specific people to do specific things rather
than a blanket, "Someone call an ambulance."
* I think some of it is also a measure of the fact that you hear
all sorts of noises and shouts that are much ado about nothing in a
big city.
I guess the White Supremacists were taking a breaking from raising money for the Ron Paul campaign.
"Shannon, like Pain, I hate siding with cops. "
What a total fucking douchebag you are. There are a few corrupt
cops so therefore you are opposed to all of the individuals who
risk their lives to protect the citizenry in their community. I
guarantee if a pussy like you were to be in real trouble, the first
thing you would do is call the police. I pray to God I am alone
with you in a dark alley you whiny piece of shit.
B = I pray to God I am alone with you in a dark alley you
whiny piece of shit.
Way to go captain courageous. Internet threats of violence are
just...i dont know... Cute? It's the cry for help of the
desperately ineffectual.
And, FWIW, dude was trying to give the above yokel hoboken shithead
SWAT goofoffs the benefit of the doubt. His comment was a caveat.
Apparently anything other than mindless obescience to the great men
in blue is treasonous in your mind. Here's a cookie.
the callousness or passivity of New Yorkers*
yawn. Dudes... yall are just a bunch of player haters. Kitty G was
in 1964 for fucks sake. in QUEENS. I saved 4 people from brutal
stabbings last night alone! Quit the bullshit! Come out here, we'll
get a steak at Lugars.. then we'll throw you on the sidewalk and
pretend you just got stabbed, and I'll work the stopwatch. We'll
even go to Queens to do it! (actually... fuck that. Im not leaving
brooklyn. I dont know what they do up there.)
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