Nick Gillespie | February 6, 2007
Over at LeftIndependent, Pat Rogers points out that presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was one of the co-sponsors of The Combat Meth Act, whose chief effects have been to make it more difficult to buy cold medicines--and to juice up Mexican drug cartels:
On his "crime" issue page U.S. Sen. Barack Obama has this to say about the Combat Methamphetamine Act of 2005.
Crime
"Senator Obama cosponsored the Combat Meth Act, which provides more money for fighting methamphetamine (meth), tightens controls on the sale of meth ingredients, and provides assistance to the children of meth abusers."I can just hear the fool thumping his chest in macho self-gratification for having supported that delusion.
Bridget Johnson, Los Angeles Daily News, in her opinion piece Pseudophedrine restrictions a boon to Mexican cartels reported on 02/03/2007 the government's own National Drug Intelligence Center's assessment of the "success" of Obama's Combat Meth Act
"According to the National Drug Intelligence Center's 2007 National Drug Threat Assessment, "Marked success in decreasing domestic methamphetamine production through law enforcement pressure and strong precursor chemical sales restrictions has enabled Mexican (drug trafficking organizations) to rapidly expand their control over methamphetamine distribution - even in eastern states - as users and distributors who previously produced the drug have sought new, consistent sources." (National Drug Threat Assessment 2007)
Emphasis and links in the original. Rogers notes that three other Democratic presidential candidates--Sens. Joe Biden (Del.), Hillary Clinton (N.Y.), and Christopher Dodd (Conn.)--are also proud co-sponsors of the Meth act.
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For his next trick, Barack will ask to repeal the PATRIOT Act,
withdrawing the troops from Iraq, and giving me a pony.
Because the liberaltarians say so.
Well, that's one more reason not to vote for him. As if his memoir wasn't enough.
Nick,
You should have asked Weigel to post this to give some red meat to
the Weigel-is-a-Democrat-fluffer crowd.
As if there were presidential contenders that didn't thump their chest over the War On Some Drugs.
I just recovered from a nasty flu. I'm more pissed that people like Obama have slowed down my recovery, thanks to the fact that no cold and flu medication available at my supermarket works anymore. Even if a Democrat was the Lesser Evil in the upcoming election, this is reason enough to vote against said candidate.
Sadly, I must ask: Is there anyone with a serious chance of winning who's better on the WosD than Obama?
The drug war is here to stay...
Hmm, I wonder how many times I have to type that in every "hey,
another drug war outrage" thread before I get banned?
We're fighting the methlords over there, so we won't have to
fight them over here!
They want to make our womenfolk wear headscarves and impose their
jittery laws! Something must be done!
TO: Paul |
February 6, 2007, 6:43pm |
I don't think Libertarians are likely to ban you. Saying that just
demonstrates your ignorance of the people you are talking AT.
You are too valuable as a vacuous counter-point. Nothing proves a
drug policy reform argument better than having someone like you
show up and offer your best. Thank you.
More likely, Obama hastened the inevitable. After all, the Mexican Drug cartels are making a higher quality product at a lower price. I'm just sorry I missed the Lee Iacocca If-you-can-find-a-better-meth-than-mine,-buy-it ad phase
Lamar, you have shown us just how unintelligent America truly
is. Stopping the inflow of a crucial ingredient in the most
damaging drug going through the suburbs is smart. Personally, I'm
tired of reading about meth labs blowing up in my city. Or yours,
for that matter.
How this is 'welfare for mexican drug lords' seems to be lost on
me. I see no subsidies for the cartels...I do for oil, despite
several years of world record profits.
Personally, I'm tired of reading about meth labs blowing up
in my city. Or yours, for that matter.
Hey, I agree with you. So let's address the root cause, the
government's oulawing of amphetamines!
Repeal the fucking law, and let those who want the buzz go and buy
it at CVS instead of trying to cook a replacement product in their
homes.
It's kind of comical how the govenrment bans something, creates a
black market, tries to ban that, creating an even bigger black
market, tries to fight that, creating an even bigger...
Of course, we libertarians are unintelligent for pointing out that
history has repeatedly shown that prohibition is a bad idea.
TO: SpaceBass |
February 6, 2007, 9:36pm
"How this is 'welfare for mexican drug lords' seems to be lost
on me. I see no subsidies for the cartels..."
If you had read the essay you would have the answer to that
question.
Writing laws that give the cartels an entirely new product line,
without any significant legal regulation and absolutely no taxes,
is not a subsidy? A new product line in a
$ 144 billion U.S. retail industry.
I too am tired of the dangers of meth labs andeven more so I am
tired of the increasing and increasingly violent crime in my urban
community because drugs are illegal and ever more lucrative.
I am also tired of the fact that literally dozens of stateless
terrorist armies like al Qaida are skimming operating cash off of
those billions.
The fact that bin Laden is also able to use Afghan heroin as an
asymmetric weapon directed at the children of the west to
destabilize western culture doesn't make me too happy about your
drug warriors either.
And lets not forget the fact that bin Laden's mass media home-grown
terrorist cook books advise people to operate independent of
alQaida using drug profits and the other black market amenities
like gun running to facilitate actions. That is the model they
discovered in Madrid and that they suspect in the London
bombs.
The Mexican cartels are actually the least of my national security
and public safety worries about the disaster known as the drug
war.
If the morals of your community, like mine, say that kids should
not get access to drugs then stop giving these amoral addicts,
gangsters and social predators the exclusive market to sell drugs.
The dysfunctional drug market today reflects the level of
regulation imposed on the market. No regulation amounts to total
dysfunction.
This is the example that proves that over-regulation stifles
profitable and growing markets. This market has no regulation and
it is the most profitable in the nation. And its growing
exponentially.
Forget the common cold.
Osama Obama has to be for something.
cHillary is watching out for the children.
Who's going to be against being against this?
If they would cure the common cold
then they could outlaw all cold meds.
Simple solutions are easy to conceive,
but not so easy to achieve.
Doesn't The Combat Meth Act sound like something you
would pass to make sure that Our Fighting Forces had a good supply
of methamphetamine to take into battle?
As an admitted former drug user, one would hope that Obama would
realize the futility of the WoSD. Unfortunately, I presume he
figures that supporting stupid laws like this will immunize him
from accusations that he is "soft on drugs." He could also be a
true believer in drug prohibition, a not unknown stance of
"reformed sinners."
Kevin
I think you fail to recognize some of the other benefits of the
Combat Meth Act. Even if demand for methamphetamine did not
decline, clandestine labs (which is what it was meant to target)
pose their own problems.
For every pound of meth produced, they produce around 7 pounds of
toxic chemicals. These are often just poured down drains, polluting
water supplies and killing wildlife. Furthermore, the proliferation
of clandestine labs has a serious affect on public safety. In
addition to the possibility of an explosion, these labs produce
chemicals contaminate nearby areas (such as neighboring
houses).
These chemicals have incredibly damaging affects on children, who
are often in the houses where meth is made. And even when these
labs shut down, the chemicals can remain in the carpets, walls, and
air vents for years, affecting those who purchase the homes (often
unknowingly).
Cleanup is also very expensive, with bare costs around a few
thousand dollars per site.
So, does the Combat Meth Act completely solve the meth
problem...no. Does it decrease demand for meth...maybe, maybe not.
But does it propose a solution to a very real and costly
problem...THE ANSWER IS A RESOUNDING YES.
Saying that just demonstrates your ignorance of the people
you are talking AT.
You are too valuable as a vacuous counter-point. Nothing proves a
drug policy reform argument better than having someone like you
show up and offer your best. Thank you.
How's your shrinkingexpanding drug war working out for
you in light of your response?
I've got my libertarian bona fides locked in, so I'm not worried
about that.
Perhaps, Pat, if you thought a little longer and harder about why I
type that message, and what other
subtle events
are occurring which are seemingly unrelated to the Drug
War(tm) as Libertarians (and libertarians) know it, you'd have that
"moment of clarity" and realize that The Drug War now has tendrils
in every aspect where the "public health" is concerned.
Let me drop any pretense of subtlety for you. I don't want to be
right about my assertions about the drug war, but unfortunately
there's no indication that I'm wrong. In fact, there's every
indication that I may be more correct than I know.
jacc:
We haven't "solved" any environmental problems with the Combat Meth
Act. We've just dumped them on our less prosperous neighbors.
Kevin
jacc:
Legalizing it, putting regulation & control under the FDA, EPA,
whomever, would also solve those problems.
TO: Ironchef |
February 7, 2007, 7:53am
Isn't it amazing. Most all of the regulatory institutions exist
today to solve the problems that drug warriors attribute to drug
use. Problems that are actually caused by the prohibitionists lack
of confidence in the democratic institutions of regulation.
No regulation is perfect. But in a democracy regulation just that
comfort zone or common ground between people like the prohibs who
have not trust or confidence in basic freedom and liberty and those
of us who have every respect for freedom and liberty. Regulation
is, I believe, what makes democracy work.
I'm tired of hearing clandestine distilleries exploding around my neighborhood; I'm tired of the increasingly violent actions by criminal gangs funded through illicit alcohol sales. (shakes fist in righteous indignation and invokes "the children").
I'm from Iowa, the former meth capital of the US, and one of the
first to restrict psudoephedrine, and almost overnight the meth
production problem in this state decreased drastically. Personally,
the replacement drug they use now is not as affective for me, but
by simply going to the pharmacy counter, I can get good,
old-fashioned psudoephedrine if I need it.
Now, don't get me wrong, I know full well that the War on Drugs has
failed. I fully support legalization of most "narcotics," but Meth
is different. Meth doesn't just destroy individuals, it destroys
families, children, communities, and spoils the environment. What
this law (and the Combat Meth Act) has done is take the burdon of
policing from the state (already streched to the maximum) to the
feds who have more money, time, and manpower. Is it an ideal
solution? Of course not, but until our society wakes up and deals
with the underlying cause of drug addiction (poverty, depression,
etc), we who live in states that are plagued by meth have to get
help any way we can.
I'm just tired of having to show my driver's license at the
drug/grocery store to get pseudoephedrine. For 20 friggin' years we
didn't think there was anything wrong with this drug until we found
out kids were making meth in their garages and thus taking money
away from well deserving drug companies.
Its also annoying that the stores are afraid to stock the pseudo-e
(they always seem to be conveniently out when I have a sinus
infection) since the FDA will slam them if they slip up once and
fail to collect all the "required information".
In this next presidential election, can we just vote "no" and leave
the White House vacant for 4 years? I'm tired of these
jack-azzes.
Oh yeah, and is NOBODY going to mention how effective
prohibition was at stopping the flow of alcohol from the Bahamas
and Canada? You wouldn't know Al Capone's name if it wasn't for the
"war on alchohol" that was so effective at the beginning of the
last century.
FDR is my favorite president simply because in 1933 he signed the
bill to allow the sale of beer.
And while I'm ranting like a barking dog, I STRONGLY believe that
if you are old enough to die for your country in some foreign hell
hole, by god you are old enough to drink a beer. And none of this
3.2 crap either.
I fully support legalization of most "narcotics," but Meth
is different.
Gee, never heard that one before. Except in the 80s, except replace
Meth with Crack.
Or prior to that, replace with Heroin
Or prior to that, replace with Opium
Or prior to that, replace with Marijuana
....
Yes, yes, the idea that all those other drugs that we used to think
were completely evil has since been de-bunked, but this time we
MEAN IT! Meth is the devil! It will destroy us all!
I think we should encourage the production of ever stronger meth, so the nitwits that use it will die more quickly and cease being a burden on the rest of us. I believe the police call it the "self-cleaning oven."
Man, drug-loving conservatives bashing Obama for cracking down
on Meth? I'm so confused.
Obviously, people who oppose the war on drugs would prefer meth to
be made in higher quality labs, in order to cut down on impurities,
right? It seems like Mexican meth would be higher quality then
stuff cookied up on trailer stoves by tweeking rednecks,
right?
So you should be happy about this law.
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