Rio +20 Earth Summit: Wandering Through the People’s Summit

Reason's Science Correspondent sends his fourth dispatch from the United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development in Rio de Janeiro.

Rio de Janeiro—The People’s Summit for Social and Environmental Justice at the Rio +20 Earth Summit sprawls through the beautiful Flamengo Park that curves along the lovely beach at Guanabara Bay. Giant tents in the park house five chief plenary discussions and scores of smaller tents shelter a wide variety of earnest discussions about the perfidy of corporations in this age of late capitalism. As it happens, I just caught the tail-end of a speech at the Energy Plenary by an American black woman who urged the audience to fight for “economic, social, gender, and erotic justice.” Evidently fearing that she had overlooked an oppressed group, she hastily made sure to acknowledge that the fight for justice included “transpeople too.”

Scattered among the tents are perhaps a couple hundred booths from which interest groups from around the world peddle their nostrums for whatever discontents with the modern world particularly irk them. For example, the Global Ecovilllage Network was there to urge people to practice “luxurious simplicity.” An Ecovillage brochure specifically cited a Senegalese program to transition 14,000 traditional villages into ecovillages. The program is being supported by a $16 million grant from the Global Environment Facility. By the way, per capita GDP in Senegal is just over $1,000. Luxury indeed.

The People’s Summit site also featured stalls and tables at which locals were selling various handmade trinkets, t-shirts, and scads of tomes devoted to Marxist-Leninist thought. I stopped by the table for the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Brazil where we talked briefly with an attractive young woman about the party’s beliefs. She wanted to make it very clear that she and her group were real Marxist-Leninists, not like the heretics that populate the Communist Party of Brazil. Besides a plethora of books on hardcore communist theory and copies of the Cuban communist newspaper Granma International, their table featured portraits of Marx and Lenin that were very similar in tone and taste to devotional images of Christian saints.

My companion, the Reason Foundation's Julian Morris, asked the young communist if she and her party members were “traditional” Marxist-Leninists or had they modernized. She assured him that they were traditionalists who support every past and current effort to establish communism including the Soviet Union and Cuba. Do you support North Korea? Yes, we do, although she did ruefully note that they had not engaged in much “solidarity work” with that regime. Do you support the actions that Lenin took when establishing the Soviet Union? Yes, she said without batting an eyelid. My eyebrow, however, was raised; after all, Lenin’s Bolshevik regime killed an estimated 4 million people.

Many readers may well believe that I am cherry-picking items from the People’s Summit and not really representing the full range of sensible opinions about economic and ecological policy to be found there. That’s simply not true. The tenor of the whole People’s Summit is hardcore left-wing. For example, a brochure from the group transform! the European network for alternative thinking and political dialogue argues that the Green Economy is really just a stalking horse for corporate capitalism. “We are … facing a new era in terms of commodifying and financializing nature and life,” explains the transform! newsletter. “The aim of its promoters is to fully integrate nature into the cycle of capital accumulation, to open up new spheres of profit inside the realm of capitalism by means of subjugating the totality of life cycles to the rule of the market, and to the illusion of unlimited growth.” I wish I could say that “you can’t make this stuff up” but someone evidently did make this up and then printed it in a full color pamphlet!

Walking around the Summit site, I came across a tent filled with folks earnestly listening to the activist charlatan Vandana Shiva. Shiva has been at the forefront of promulgating and spreading dishonest propaganda against biotech crops and she was up to her usual tricks in Rio. For example, she accused agribusiness giant Monsanto of selling seeds that “do not reproduce themselves.” This is not true.

What is true is that more than a decade ago the seed company Delta and Pine Land Company worked with the U.S. Department of Agriculture to create a Technology Protection System (TPS) for biotech crops. Basically, TPS involved a gene that prevented seeds from reproducing. Delta and Pine Land’s idea was that this meant that farmers would not be able to replant biotech seeds and would buy year after year—much as farmers using traditional hybrid seeds do now, by the way. Anti-biotech activists dubbed TPS the “terminator gene” and opposed its introduction. (Never mind that terminator technology would have addressed one the chief concerns often cited by activists, that engineered genes might “contaminate” other crops.)

During this controversy, Shiva declared in her 2000 book Stolen Harvest, "The possibility that [TPS] may spread to surrounding food crops or to the natural environment is a serious one.” Why? She continued, "The gradual spread of sterility in seeding plants would result in a global catastrophe that could eventually wipe out higher life forms, including humans, from the planet." As I pointed out, this dire scenario is not just implausible but biologically impossible: TPS is a gene technology that causes sterility; that means, by definition, that it can't spread. And here she was, still peddling a version of that story at the People’s Summit. More generally, if biotech crops were as bad as Shiva claims they are, farmers would not be smuggling biotech seeds to plant illegally.

Tomorrow I will go to find out if the Rio +20 Earth Summit has really collapsed as Greenpeace laments.

Science Correspondent Ronald Bailey is the author of Liberation Biology (Prometheus).

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  • sarcasmic||

    Do you support the actions that Lenin took when establishing the Soviet Union? Yes, she said without batting an eyelid. My eyebrow, however, was raised; after all, Lenin’s Bolshevik regime killed an estimated 4 million people.

    Why is that surprising?

    Don't you think that many on the left wouldn't bat an eyebrow at the suggestion that Rush Limbaugh's audience should be murdered?

  • Xenocles||

    I'd like to believe that you could talk them down to re-education.

  • Pro Libertate||

    We don't need no re-education.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Leave them ditto-heads alone.

  • Xenocles||

    I like to try to see the best in people.

  • ||

    You need new glasses Xenocles.

  • Pro Libertate||

    PUT ON THE GLASSES!

  • Xenocles||

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Not until we have the longest movie fight EVER!

  • Pro Libertate||

    [Sucker punches Fatty.]

  • R C Dean||

    Do you support the actions that Lenin took when establishing the Soviet Union? Yes, she said without batting an eyelid.

    Followup question: "How many Brazilians would you be willing to kill to establish a Communist regime here?"

  • sarcasmic||

    "How many capitalists are there? There's your answer."

  • Hyperion||

    How many capitalists are there in Brazil? Are you fucking kidding me? All of them that I know. There is a reason why there economy is growing so fast, and it's not communism.

  • sarcasmic||

    My point was that communists will kill as many as it takes.

    If you don't agree with them, then you do not deserve to live.

  • Hyperion||

    Ah, ok, I understand now. All of them. Sorry, I am so completely annoyed by the misconception here that all Brazilians are communist, that I easily get overly defensive about it, since I have very close ties with the country, and well, it's not true.

  • o3||

    dont interrupt sarcasmic when he's on a roll

  • ||

    If you don't agree with them, then you do not deserve to live.
    Well that's not very nice, now is it.

  • RFID||

    Hell, you don't need to be a capitalist. Communist parties are always arguing with "splitters" who are pretty much exactly the same as they are.

  • Xenocles||

    She wouldn't care that they are Brazilian, and she would deny that they are people.

  • sarcasmic||

    What if they have a Brazilian?

  • Xenocles||

    Like as a pet? That's a little inappropriate.

  • sarcasmic||

    Uh, that's not what I meant.

    http://dictionary.reference.co.....zilian+wax

  • Hyperion||

    You don't need one of those, sarcasmic, unless you are planning to wear a speedo. Please say it ain't so.

  • sarcasmic||

    I'm trying to quit.

  • ||

    I look forward to future Bailey dispatches ending with

    Full disclosure: The interview with the commie talking nonsense occurred while she was taming my unruly pubic hair

  • sarcasmic||

    Getting a Brazilian from a Brazilian commie entrepreneur.

  • Old Dave||

    I just threw up a little in my mouth.

  • Xenocles||

    Small joke there on my part.

  • Hyperion||

    Mine is my white slave, that's what she tells everyone anyway.

  • Suellington||

    That old woman needs a vacation in Korea do Norte.

  • Lord Humungus||

    Personally I would be wandering the beaches, drinking beer and wearing shades (all the better for scoping out teh girlz).

  • Hyperion||

    Don't you own a sun monocle? It's a must for Libertarians on a Brazilian beach tour.

  • Ska||

    Offset that with an eye patch and maybe we talk.

  • Hyperion||

    I always wear my pirate eye patch with my monocle.

  • ||

    Commie chicks are easy. I'm not much of a challenge (being overweight), but don't worry, I'm not a communist.

  • Brutus||

    You really need to try the caipirinhas, they're super. And deadly

  • ||

    It's probably rude of me to wonder, but is it possible that people who can jet away to Rio for a conference on poverty might have a rather distorted vision of what actual poverty is?

  • BakedPenguin||

    That's rude. You're rude. Shame on you, Isaac.

    I'm sure all the people there know how the slums got so much soul.

  • Hyperion||

    That's why the favelas must be sustained. Good music and cheap maids.

  • Ice Nine||

    OK, have fun with this one, boys, but seriously, what do you suppose is "erotic justice"? It sounds like something I could have well used when I was a 20yo horndog.

  • Suellington||

    Ait is something or other to do with "boner sustainability". That I know.

  • Ted S.||

    Seek medical attention for erections lasting longer than four hours.

  • sarcasmic||

    A book. (google is pretty cool!)

    http://www.amazon.com/Erotic-J.....0664256465

    "Ethicist Marvin Ellison compellingly argues that current crises in family, personal life, and sexuality are related to our culture's prevailing attitudes about human sexuality. He proposes a liberating Christian ethic of erotic justice that goes beyond the prevailing patriarchal paradigm."

    http://saintjohnsabbey.org/ist.....book1.html

  • Pro Libertate||

    I don't read stuff like that unless it uses words like hegemony and hermeneutics.

  • R C Dean||

    Ooooohkay, what exactly is "a liberating Christian ethic of erotic justice"?

  • sarcasmic||

    I have no idea. But I'm sure that most Womyn's Studies graduates have a dogeared copy and could tell you.

    Tony?

  • John||

    I think it sounds like something stressed out bankers pay $500 an hour for.

  • SugarFree||

    Alack isn't here, so I'll take a swing at it:

    It seems to be the notion that because all sexual relationships are not between strict equals--or those that are (gay relationships, for example) are derided--that power imbalance and acceptance of dom/sub roles in our personal lives leads us to accept power inequalities in society.

    Since traditional Christian supports this imbalance, Liberation Christianity (which is suspiciously close to outcome-based egalitarianism) has to be a driving force in the Western nations.

  • Pro Libertate||

    To achieve harmonious balance and total egalitarianism, then, they have to kill, kill, and kill again? Or am I misreading you?

  • SugarFree||

    The killing comes later. They must first fog the mind with nigh impenetrable dumbassery.

    Erotic justice is not that far from Dworkin's "All heterosexual sex is a form of rape." assertion. They both have the same bullshit underpinning.

  • SKR||

    "Fog the mind with nigh impenetrable dumbassery."

    That's poetry right there. Bravo good sir.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Tall poppies not wanted.

  • ||

    To achieve harmonious balance and total egalitarianism, then, they have to kill, kill, and kill again? Or am I misreading you?
    Pretty sure it's more fuck, fuck, and fuck again. Of course, I could be wrong.

  • Pro Libertate||

    How would that result in harmonious balance and total egalitarianism?

  • R C Dean||

    By eliminating all those not in harmonious balance and totally equal.

  • Pro Libertate||

    They'll screw them to death? I'm missing something here.

  • Brett L||

    Wasn't Liberation Theology a front from Marxist reform of the Catholic Church, mostly in South America, during the 60's? These guys need a new term. Or maybe not.

  • SugarFree||

    It was always accused of being dressed-up Marxism, which is confusing considering the enforced atheism-as-worship-of-the-state imposed by every Commie regime. Probably just a bait-and-switch, slow-frog-boil Marxist scam, like Progressivism.

  • John||

    Liberation theology was just another example of how liberals destroy everything they touch and turn it into a weapon to advance their politics. A bunch of priests turned liberal and then proceeded to destroy the Catholic church by making it an instrument of leftist politics.

  • tarran||

    I don't think it's quite that simple.

    The middle ages had several episodes where they tried communism, the Taborites leap immediately to mind.

    I think doctrines promoting forced egalitarianism lie within Christian doctrine like the chicken pox virus lies dormant in the liver ready to suddenly reinfect the host when the conditions are right.

  • BoscoH||

    It boils down to a search for a less humiliating phrase for "sympathy blow job". Apparently, some men get a little hung up on the "sympathy" part of it.

  • Ice Nine||

    Well, first you'd need to know what is the "prevailing patriarchal paradigm". I guess you should Google it.

  • Voros McCracken||

    I saw it on Cinemax a few years back. I think it had Shannon Tweed and one of the girls who had been on "the Real World."

  • Hyperion||

    I stopped by the table for the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Brazil

    There seems to be a lot of misconception in the US that Brazil is some sort of commie haven.

    Nothing, IMHO, could be further from the truth. I personally know 3 Libertarian Brazilians and I don't know that many people there. I don't know anyone there who runs around quoting Marx/Lenin or confesses to be a commie. The government is a corrupt POS, just like ours. The advantage there is that the government is not yet big enough to oppress their citizens in the way that ours do. Just to give you an example, the first time I was there, it took me a while to get used to the fact that you can drink a beer in public without either being in a restaurant or bar, or being enclosed in a huge plastic barricade.

    I love Brazil. I just feel much freer there and would move there without hesitation, and would not be worried one bit about the commies coming for me, or being harrassed, tazed, and my dog shot, for drinking a beer in public.

  • Ice Nine||

    There seems to be a lot of misconception in the US that Brazil is some sort of commie haven.
    Nothing, IMHO, could be further from the truth. I personally know 3 Libertarian Brazilians and I don't know that many people there. I don't know anyone there who runs around quoting Marx/Lenin or confesses to be a commie.

    Shit man, I'm convinced.

  • Hyperion||

    convinced of what?

  • Ice Nine||

    Sentence #2 (based on #3 and 4). Never mind.

  • Hyperion||

    Just telling my personal experience. It's a lot better than pure specualation. Like most Americans seem to be thinking that everyone but us are commies, while we watch reality TV, and continue our slide into tyranny.

  • Ice Nine||

    Your experience is interesting. I was just being a wise guy.

  • Hyperion||

    I know, but I was being serious, and speaking from real experience. There really is quite a large and growing Libertarian party in Brazil. They have a website, Libertarios. Their viewpoints are pretty much identical to ours, since it is based off our Libertarian party.

  • sarcasmic||

    They do like their ethanol subsidies!

    http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/.....expansion/

  • Hyperion||

    I can live with that for the other freedoms that I shall experience there. As I said, their government is fucked up, just like ours. Corrupt as hell. It is all about money and power in the end, just like here. They have less regulation than here and more economic growth.

  • sarcasmic||

    They have less regulation than here and more economic growth.

    For now. There is an inverse relationship between regulation and economic growth, and the volume of regulation only grows.

  • Hyperion||

    Yes, I know that. I am constantly reminding them of that. I never stop warning them that things are good now because their government is not yet big enough to totally fuck things up. But of course, it's not for lack of effort on the governments part.

  • MWG||

    "They have less regulation than here and more economic growth."

    Having lived and worked in Brazil, being married to a Brazilian, and having a mother-in-law who owns a small business, I can say that this is absolutely NOT true. Brazil's labor laws alone make it worse than the US in terms of business regulation.

    Seriously, the country is a bureaucrats wet dream.

  • MWG||

    Let me clarify; the country has a higher rate of growth than us, but it is by no means a result of less regulation.

  • Brutus||

    I'd agree with that, but then again, it's a matter of those regulations being enforced. Brazil doesn't do that well, to its credit.

  • MWG||

    Meh, it's a mixed bag. Customs agents, for example, are currently cracking down on travelers 'smuggling' in (GASP!) cloathing and electronics.

  • Suellington||

    It goes both ways there, in extremes, as Brazil does best. Drving along the seafront at 3 am with a couple girls and a friend, stopping to buy cold beer off a ten year old, was sweet delicious freedom. not worrying about getting pulled over and if we did it would just be a bribe.

    On the other hand, getting randomly pulled off a bus and ball frisked by military police not so freeing. Nor getting a gun put to your head by police on another occasion very freedomy. I still love that country to death, but saw some very fucked up shit happen there.

  • Hyperion||

    Pays to know people there who know where to go, what to do, and what not. If you do things right, you will be experience things that you never will or have here.

    One of my favorite experiences there was in a certain small city that I shall not mention the name of. We were driving through the middle of town in our friends pickup truck, with the windows down, music blaring, and openly drinking beers, and NO FUCKING SEATBELTS ON!!! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT SHIT?, NANNIES!!

    Now, I wouldn't try that in the larger city where our condo is, but I can still walk down the boardwalk by the beach drinking beer. There is a kiosk selling ice cold beer about every 100 yards or so. Or you can just sit down under an umbrella anywhere and a plactic barrel filled with ice and beer will magically appear at your side.

  • ||

    My general assessment of Brazil is troubled, but improving. Am I right or wrong? Also, that a lot of Brazilians are very physically attractive. Please tell me that Brazil has lots of sexy men.

  • MWG||

    You are correct on your first point, as well as the second (no homo).

  • Brutus||

    I used to live there in the 1980s. I'd go back in a heartbeat.

  • tarran||

    Erotic justice means that you have to make out with people who aren't getting enough action, regardless of gender, halitosis or odoriferousness.

  • ||

    Erotic justice means that you have to make out with people who aren't getting enough action, regardless of gender, halitosis or odoriferousness.
    Also, free porn for all. The draw back is that all the actors in said porn are complete dogs (sorry).

  • R C Dean||

    Thanks to the internet, I believe that would be Mission Accomplished!

  • Sevo||

    You could have proposed National Socialism as a kinder, gentler alternative.
    They only murdered ~6M people compared to Communism's ~100M people.

  • T||

    Closer to 11M, Sevo. That also doesn't count the untold others that vanished when the Wehrmacht was rolling back and forth through Europe.

  • Sevo||

    T|6.20.12 @ 1:27PM|#
    "Closer to 11M, Sevo. That also doesn't count the untold others that vanished when the Wehrmacht was rolling back and forth through Europe."

    I also didn't count the losses when Stalin's army was 'rolling back and forth'.
    Call it 10:1 as a first try.

  • Sevo||

    Sort of OT:
    In the dead-tree version of the SF Chron this morning, there's a full-page, 4-color pitch for HSR.
    Yes, the HSR pimps are using tax-payer money to pitch for, well, more taxpayer money.
    Something is worng (!) there.

  • John||

    This whole thing seems to be a living embodiment of W.H. Auden's great quote,

    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as 'bad luck.'

  • sarcasmic||

    Socialism, the elimination of any incentive to do great things through the forced redistribution of wealth, is the default condition of man.

    Progressives are regressive.

  • ||

    The worst thing about progressives is they stole my word from me. I hate having to clarify that the "Liberal" in my screen-name refers to "Classical Liberal" i.e. "Libertarian".

  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    That wasn't Heinlein?

  • Bill Dalasio||

    I had always thought that was Heinlein.

  • John||

    Stand corrected. No wonder it was so hard to find. Yeah. It is Heinlein.

  • tarran||

    God, we are such nerds. :)

  • John||

    Yeah. There are few places on the internet where falsely attributing a Heinlein quote to someone else will be so quickly called out.

  • Lord at War||

    That's Heinlein, you idjit...

  • o3||

    so ronald, was there something...anything u agreed with at rio?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

  • Hyperion||

    Surely he agreed with the scenery. The beer( I highly recommend Devassa and Therezopolis), and the churrasco! Oh, and did I mention the scenery?

  • o3||

    moar like foot-powered water pumps to help small farmers...outta poverty

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I3-COAA_A0

    are yall unimaginitive because of the memes...or perhaps the memes render one unimaginitive

  • Sevo||

    o3|6.20.12 @ 12:12PM|#
    "moar like foot-powered water pumps to help small farmers...outta poverty"

    And tell us, oshit, what this has to do with Rio and the stupid Marxists.

  • Romulus Augustus||

    Enough with interviewing commies. Get out there and find us the next Lobster Girl.

  • Hyperion||

    After about 1 minute on any beach in Brazil and you will forget all about lobster girl. There will be 1000 replacements in a one mile trek.

  • Romulus Augustus||

    Can't wait for the photos!

  • fish||

    Yeah but will they have their own lobsters? Because as soon as I'm done with her, her "pet" goes into the steamer!

  • Ken Shultz||

    They're hurting their own cause by letting environmentalism become a partisan issue.

    It's become like the abortion issue. Any progress made on either side of that issue will only happen in slow motion so long as the right identifies with one side and the left identifies with the other.

    That just assures the issue will stay roughly the way it is for another generation.

    If greens on the left are happy with the status quo, then, by all means, they should keep letting partisans make the environment an issue of the left.

    But if they really want to start solving some of our environmental problems, then they really need to purge themselves of the partisans that are using the environmental movement to promote political causes that don't really have anything to do with protecting the environment.

  • Pro Libertate||

    It's always been more about politics than the environment.

  • Ken Shultz||

    And that's too bad. And that's why we capitalists should be more vocal about our solutions to environmental problems. They're way better for the environment than the ones being promoted by the left.

    Seriously, I don't know who's worse: the people on the left who say they don't want to save the planet if it means they can't redistribute other people's income anymore, or the people on the right who say they don't want a more capitalist society if changing things for the better might address the concerns of environmentalists.

    They both suck.

  • Hyperion||

    You have to first believe that not only is the environment a top issue right now, but like these kooks currently stinking up Rio, that it is a dire Crisis.

    That is all bullshit. I am looking out my window right now and all I see is walls of greenery. I mean, this entire state is covered by dense forests. How fucking green does it have to get to satisfy these nutcases? Do they need that agenda 21 map? Kill off a few billion people? As someone else said, it will never be enough for these insane luddites.

  • sarcasmic||

    They are people who see this as a fantasy.

  • Hyperion||

    Yeah. Wll, this is not an original idea among Libertarians, but they could start by offing themelves.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    But if they really want to start solving some of our environmental problems, then they really need to purge themselves of the partisans that are using the environmental movement to promote political causes that don't really have anything to do with protecting the environment.

    That would leave, what, twelve of 'em?

  • Ken Shultz||

    If you excluded everyone on the right who opposes environmentalism simply because they associate it with socialism, how many people do you think would remain? How many people on the right genuinely oppose protecting the environment?

    Hunters who want the opportunity to hunt elk--and the reintroduced wolves who prey on them? They may not think of themselves as environmentalists because of its association with socialism, but they genuinely care about the environment.

  • R C Dean||

    How many people on the right genuinely oppose protecting the environment?

    Depends on what measures you are proposing to protect the environment, would be my guess.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I suspect privatization of a lot of BLM land would be a good idea. The BLM is nowhere near as efficient as private operators would be. Hell, the BLM slaughtered thousands of wild horses, didn't it? It doesn't protect the environment like private operators would their own property.

    Private operators treat such resources as...a resource.

    I'd like to see us get rid of the income tax and replace it with a sales tax on carbon emissions. No, I didn't say I want to introduce a new tax on carbon emissions; I said I'd like to get rid of the income tax...most of the people I talk to on the right can't even hear what I'm saying for what it is.

    Measures such as these would do more to protect the environment than any statist solution under consideration.

    We should auction off the rights to the otterless areas that used to be kelp forests off the state of California. Private operators would reintroduce the kelp forests and the sea otters there in no time.

    Capitalism really is the solution.

  • Ken Shultz||

    We should auction off the rights to the otterless areas that used to be kelp forests off the state of California. Private operators would reintroduce the kelp forests and the sea otters there in no time.

    Divers love that shit.

  • Sevo||

    "I'd like to see us get rid of the income tax and replace it with a sales tax on carbon emissions.
    ...
    Capitalism really is the solution."

    Uh, try again.

  • SKR||

    Ron, thanks for bringing the hybrid issue into the GMO debate on this one.

  • some guy||

    As I pointed out, this dire scenario is not just implausible but biologically impossible: TPS is a gene technology that causes sterility; that means, by definition, that it can't spread.

    She's refusing to accept the science behind natural selection and evolution? Must be a creationist...

  • R C Dean||

    That whole terminator gene is one of my faves.

    First, the greeniacs demand that GMO crops be made incapable of reproducing.

    Then, they complain that GMO crops are incapable of reproducing.

  • SKR||

    Oddly, people tend not to jump for joy when their red herrings lay gutted before them.

  • ChrisO||

    Going to Rio and hanging out with Communist grannies? That's crime, man. Get thyself to the beach, stat.

  • ||

    I have a hard time equating the commies with the 'far left'. I think far left and right end up at the same terrible, authoritarian place.

    Bleeding hearts need to realize Governemnt is no different than corporations. Reason has taught me as much. They empower that which they despise. I'm no anarchist either, just keep things small and simple.

    Equal results just means shit for all. I've managed to give pause to my hippie dippy friends, but they find it hard not to believe there has got to be a way to end all suffering, even if we all have to suffer to do it [?]

  • ChrisO||

    It is funny how the same people who have an irrational hatred of corporations have a child-like trust in government.

  • ||

    It really made sense to me when Milton F talked about taxes, corporations, raise taxes on the 'fat cats' and we raise prices for all. corporations make and do things and are made up of people, otherwise they would not exist.

    Of course rent seeking skews everything.

    The shovels instead of spoons thing is awesome too.

  • SKR||

    If you believe that an entity like government can end all suffering, it is simply the other side of the coin to believe that another entity like corporations are the cause of all suffering. I think it stems from a desire for everything to be caused by an agent (used in the moral agent/action sense) as opposed to amoral processes.

  • ||

    Life ain't fair. Just ask an antelope with a broken ankle.

  • Sevo||

    aix42|6.20.12 @ 12:48PM|#
    "Bleeding hearts need to realize Governemnt is no different than corporations"

    Fail.
    The former has guns.

  • joy||

    She wanted to make it very clear that she and her group were real Marxist-Leninists, not like the heretics that populate the Communist Party of Brazil. Besides a plethora of books on hardcore communist theory and copies of the Cuban communist newspaper Granma International, http://www.zonnebrilinnl.com/z.....-3_13.html their table featured portraits of Marx and Lenin that were very similar in tone and taste to devotional images of Christian saints.

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    TPS is a gene technology that causes sterility; that means, by definition, that it can't spread. And here she was, still peddling a version http://www.ceinturesfr.com/cei.....-c-13.html of that story at the People’s Summit. More generally, if biotech crops were as bad as Shiva claims they are, farmers would not be smuggling biotech seeds to plant illegally.

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    The People’s Summit site also featured stalls and tables at which locals were selling various handmade trinkets, t-shirts, and scads of tomes devoted to Marxist-Leninist thought. I stopped by the table for the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Brazil where we talked briefly with an attractive young woman about the party’s beliefs. She wanted to make it very clear that she and her group were real Marxist-Leninists, not like the heretics that populate the Communist Party of Brazil. Besides a plethora of books on hardcore communist theory and copies of the http://www.lunettesporto.com/l.....c-3_8.html Cuban communist newspaper Granma International, their table featured portraits of Marx and Lenin that were very similar in tone and taste to devotional images of Christian saints.

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