The War on Cameras

It has never been easier—or more dangerous—to record the police.

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Whether or not the courts recognize a constitutional right to record on-duty public officials in public spaces, a more immediate question is whether prohibiting such recordings—or allowing police to effectively prohibit them—is good policy. Here there seems to be little disagreement, at least outside the law enforcement community. In recent months, driven largely by the Graber case, a wide array of publications from across the political spectrum have run editorials against the crackdown on citizen photographers and videographers, including USA Today, The Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, Popular Mechanics, and even the more conservative editorial boards at the The Washington Times, the Washington Examiner, and the Manchester Union-Leader.

“Let me just say that as a matter of policy I think it’s ludicrous that people would be arrested for recording a police officer,” adds Volokh. “I’m surprised state legislators haven’t gotten more involved in this.” Kreimer says his ideal law would not only explicitly make recording and photographing police legal; it would also provide a way for those wrongly arrested by police to recover damages from the officers who arrest them.

A law like that is likely to face fierce opposition from law enforcement organizations. Jim Pasco, executive director of the national Fraternal Order of Police, says he sees no problem with arresting people who photograph or record on-duty cops. Pasco says his main concern is that activists will tamper with videos or use clips out of context to make police officers look bad.

“There’s no chain of custody with these videos,” Pasco says. “How do you know the video hasn’t been edited? How do we know what’s in the video hasn’t been taken out of context? With dashboard cameras or police security video, the evidence is in the hands of law enforcement the entire time, so it’s admissible under the rules of evidence. That’s not the case with these cell phone videos.”

But Carlos Miller, proprietor of Photography Is Not a Crime, says that’s no reason to prevent people from taking video in the first place. “If a video has been altered or edited, that’s a pretty easy thing to discern,” he says. “That’s going to come out in an investigation. And just because a video has only been in police custody doesn’t mean it hasn’t been altered or edited. Police can edit videos too.”

Or delete them entirely. In the College Park case, a campus police surveillance camera was pointed at the area where Jack McKenna was beaten. But there’s no security video of the incident. Campus police say the camera coincidentally malfunctioned at the time of the beating. A local news station reported that the officer in charge of the campus surveillance video system is married to one of the officers later disciplined for McKenna’s beating.

This is not the first time a police camera in Prince George’s County has malfunctioned at a critical time. In 2007 Andrea McCarren, an investigative reporter for the D.C. TV station WJLA, was pulled over by seven Prince George’s County police cars as she and a cameraman followed a county official in pursuit of a story about misuse of public funds. In a subsequent lawsuit, McCarren claimed police roughed her up during the stop, causing a dislocated shoulder and torn rotator cuff. McCarren won a settlement, but she was never able to obtain video of the incident. Prince George’s County officials say all seven dashboard cameras in the police cruisers coincidentally malfunctioned.

Last March, Justice Lee Ann Dauphinot of the Second Court of Appeals in Texas complained in a dissent that when defendants accused of driving while intoxicated in Fort Worth challenge the charges in court, dash-camera video of their arrests is often missing or damaged. “At some point,” Dauphinot wrote, “courts must address the repeated failure of officers to use the recording equipment and their repeated inability to remember whether the car they were driving on patrol or to a DWI stop contained the video equipment the City of Fort Worth has been paying for.” 

‘Trust in Our Authority Figures’

Pasco, the head of the Fraternal Order of Police, says cases where video contradicts police testimony are rare. “You have 960,000 police officers in this country and millions of contacts between those officers and citizens,” he says. “I’ll bet you can’t name 10 incidents where a citizen video has shown a police officer to have lied on a police report.”

Carlos Miller says it would take him just a few minutes to pull 10 such incidents from his archives. He mentions the case of Fort Lauderdale police officer Jeff Overcash, who was forced to resign just a couple of days prior to our conversation. Overcash had claimed in an arrest report that a man was drunk, belligerent, and resisting arrest. Cell phone video taken by the man’s girlfriend showed the officer was wrong on all three counts.

“Letting people record police officers is an extreme and intrusive response to a problem that’s so rare it might as well not exist,” Pasco insists. “It would be like saying we should do away with DNA evidence because there’s a one-in-a-billion chance that it could be wrong. At some point, we have to put some faith and trust in our authority figures.”

Michael Allison, who has some reason to mistrust authority figures, says he won’t accept the sort of plea bargain Illinois prosecutors have offered in similar cases. “Under no circumstances,” he says. “I’ll go to prison before I plead guilty to a crime for exercising my rights. Not even a misdemeanor.”

I ask Pasco if he believes someone like Michael Allison should go to prison, potentially for the rest of his life. “I don’t know anything about that case,” Pasco replies, “but generally it sounds like a sensible law and a sensible punishment. Police officers don’t check their civil rights at the station house door.”

“That just doesn’t sound right,” Allison says. “My civil rights are supposed to protect me from the government. When a police officer is on the job, he’s part of the government. So [Pasco] is trying to say the government has civil rights to protect it from the people? That doesn’t make any sense to me.”

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  • Suki||

    Good morning reason!

    Julian Assange surrenders to police on Pearl Harbor day.

  • -||

    Henceforth to be known at reason.com as Julian Assange Day.

  • the right does it too||

    Where is this judge? I want to piss down his throat. What a friggin' idiot. "You have violated my privacy," he whimpered like a little school kid, almost wetting himself in the process.

    Walking blowjobs like this freak need to be expelled from the public trough ASAP.

  • Bee Tagger||

    Speaking of Julian Assange, did you just leak the plot of the next installment in the Milk Nymphos series produced by reason.tv?

  • -||

    I want to piss down his throat.

    Celebrate your fetish! Reason.com is a big tent.

  • ||

    I guess the judge never heard of the Sixth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to all people accused of a crime in a U.S. court the right to a speedy and PUBLIC trial. I don't have much doubt that the U.S. Supreme Court would uphold the right of a person accused of a crime in a U.S. or state court to insure the public nature of the proceedings via unobtrusive recording methods, since the U.S. Constitution created no reasonable expectation of privacy.

    The fact that we have courts trying to revive Star Chamber proceedings is ominous, but to be expected under the circumstances that have prevailed for the last 50 or 60 years.

  • Jonathan||

    The bottom line is a simple one, all the archaic laws they want to throw at people who record won't amount to a fart in the wind down the road. Those who want to record the cops will just end up doing it more surreptitiously and the videos will still be posted. Good luck controlling their spread and the accompanying publicity after that, especially if a given video shows cops being particularly violent or disrespectful of the law! I can also eventually see higher and higher courts overturning more of these ridiculous "wiretapping" gag attempts until the supreme court gets involved and leans in favor of allowing recording. Even if this latter possibility doesn't occur, you can bet your ass and two balls that my first supposition will go on apace.
    This is just a gasping desperate attempt by law enforcement and the shit bag judges and prosecutors who support the cops power to fight back the wonderful leveling effects of technology.

  • db||

    "the wonderful leveling effects of technology," as you put it, have successfully been thwarted for decades. See, e.g., gun control. You can't match firepower with police without paying the right taxes, filling out the right forms and waiting like a good plebe for months. In some states you can't do it at all.

    To imagine that electronic technology is somehow magical and exempt from the attempts of tyrants and petty bureaucrats to stymie its lawful use, or even to redefe legitimate uses as unlawful is foolishness.

  • ||

    You don't have to match firepower with authority, just be able to hit your target.

    A large majority of them could not hit the broad side of a barn, especially under duress.

  • db||

    That's not the point. You may as well argue that a well-drawn pencil sketch is just as good a deterrent to official misconduct as a video recording.

  • ||

    A reworked dud 155-mm. shell will kill people just as dead as a cruise missile, and for a fraction of the cost.

  • Jonathan||

    the difference between weapons and film equipment (and i'd think this as obvious)is that with weapons, you'd have to go up against the firepower of the government with what you have. It would be a competition, and yeah, a modern rag tag militia would have a hard time against the well equipped U.S army.
    With film technology, the cops can use all the crazy ass high tech cameras they want, and you, with your shitty little cell phone cam can still film back just as effectively as any time. So unless they flat out ban public use of recording equipment, good luck stopping anyone from filming cop misdeeds.
    As an added point to my weapons argument: the above doesn't mean armed citizens couldn't take on the state, weapons can be bought illegally instead of by "waiting in line like a good pleb", and the rebel groups in places like Afghanistan and Iraq have clearly shown that a solid resistance can be put up with inferior weapons.
    Besides, as far as the legal landscape goes, gun control laws are actually moving well in the direction of being much less restrictive.

  • Matrix||

    I don't see how recording someone with an open recorder constitutes "wiretapping." It has nothing to do with "wiretapping" since no wires were tapped. The government will do anything it can to prevent its crimes from being exposed by making criminals out of ordinary peaceful citizens.

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    You're intercepting the light with your camera. The police officer was trying to communicate with others via that light, and you tapped it.

  • ||

    If video recording of law enforcement officers is illegal, then why are police departments installing MORE video (and audio) recording equipment in vehicles and using pocket recorders? Is it the fear of lawsuits (and irritated insurance companies who pay the judgements)?

    Citizen recording of law enforcement encounters is a right and a necessary check on government in our Constitutional Republic.

  • Jeffersonian||

    Amen. If the cop has a dashboard camera and I refuse to be recorded, does that mean I can simply get back into my car and leave?

  • matt||

    No... you don't get it... the dashcam recording is okay because it is in police custody the whole time. That way they can delete it if they forget to turn it off before breaking the law. Who knows what a civilian might do, and they might make cops look bad! And nobody wants that.

  • omg||

    "irritated insurance companies" is a strange way of saying "taxpayers".

  • Cy Nickelfuque||

    Now you know the real reason the FBI's cracking down on Barbiecam.

  • JimBob||

    Thanks, Balko. I hadn't had my morning rage, yet. Good to get that out of my system.

  • martin||

    I love to collect these stories, so I have some ammunition every time some jack-off tells me we live in the freest country on the face of the earth.

  • ||

    The sad part is that we really do.

  • ||

    Unfortunately you are correct.

  • Steve||

    We are a free country. If you don't like it then leave.

  • Whale||

    Oh if only the Swiss would have me :(

  • robc||

    Working there doesnt even require a visa. Living there does however, but it isnt hard to get. At least, it wasnt for me in 1991. YMMV.

  • Mr Lizard||

    Ya but apparently a little unannounced rawdawg will get you arrested in Switzerland. Maybe that's only true if you're famous.

  • ||

    HURR DURR THIS IS UHMERIKA.

    Assholes like you enable this kind of bullshit.

  • ||

    Actually, no the US is not a free country. You have the right to free speech and that is about it.

  • ||

    Yeah, while they're screwing you, you can bitch about it.

  • ||

    Didn't you read the article?

    Prove your "Freedom" by openly videotaping some cops. Follow that with failing to pay your taxes (I'll even let you pick the tax!).

    Check back here in 6 months and we can set up a Bleg for your Legal Defense Fund.

    http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

  • Emporer wears no clothes||

    "We are a free country. If you don't like it then leave."

    Are you sure you're old enough to be on the interwebs unsupervised?

  • Frank||

    Wow what a story. 75 years for recording a cop. Here in the Netherlands it seems to become normal to beat up an officer if you do not agree with him. Or tto beat up a doctor if you think it took him too long to the scene of the accident. Chances are that you will be free the next morning. I don't think that is the correct implementation of freedom though, don't get me wrong, but it gives you a good insight into the differences between the US and some other countries. I think a good compromise between the two examples would be great.

  • ||

    Come the Revolution, I propose we make Balko the Attorney General.

  • ||

    Come the Revolution, I propose we make Balko the Attorney General.

  • ||

    It's all Rodney King's fault.

  • ||

    If you can't film without consent, does that mean if a security camera on the outside of a building catches a cop doing a bad act the owner of the building has commited felony wiretapping? Does every person on the street passing by the camera constitute a separate charge?

    I love the guy who arrested somebody by claiming "I thought he had a gun". In my mind "arrest" implies physical custody, which means the cop knows for certain he doesn't have a gun. Yet, he took the guy to jail anyway.

    I don't understand why secret recording is even illegal. If you and I have a "secret" conversation, I can attempt to remember and write down what was said. Should I publish it, you have no recourse because unlike a lawyer or doctor I have no duty of care. What's the difference between that and a recording?

  • Rachel||

    Security cameras do not record audio, which is the only part of the recording which falls under wiretapping law.

  • Mensan||

    Some do. I used to work in a casino, and we recorded both video and audio.

  • Law-n-Order Conservative||

    Well, the law is the law.

  • Steve||

    Allison responded that he had no idea it was illegal to record public officials during the course of their work, that there was no sign or notice barring tape recorders in the courtroom, and that he brought one only because his request for a court reporter had been denied. No matter: After Harrell found him guilty of violating the car ordinance, Allison, who had no prior criminal record, was hit with five counts of wiretapping, each punishable by four to 15 years in prison. Harrell threw him in jail, setting bail at $35,000.

    What is the problem. Ignorance of the law is no excuse!

  • ||

  • ||

    Please be a satirist, but if not dumb shit, ignorance of the law is an excuse, it's called intent (mens rea. One has to actually intend to do harm to another, and the laws are supposed to protect others from harm.

    The mere making of a law does not make it right or just, and most laws, quite frankly, serve neither justice nor liberty but rather do the opposite.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    You are confusing the mens rea (intent) element of a defined crime with knowledge of what acts are legally prohibited. Not the same thing.

    Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. You can't claim you didn't know you had to have insurance or a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle. Well, you can, but it won't excuse the charges.

    I fully agree with your last point, though.

    But it simply is not true that you have to "actually intend to do harm to another" to be charged with violating a law.

  • ||

    I didn't say one has to actually intend to do harm to be a lawbreaker, but that the law should be based on such.

  • ||

    For example, drug possession.

  • Whale||

    Yeah an ambiguous law made long before the advent and widespread use of personal cell phones/video cameras, douche nozzle.

  • ||

    There is huge commercial opportunity here: Stealth video systems built into automobiles that on command automatically upload their video to cellular and/or other wireless networks as they record, and therefore out of reach of the cops.

    If it hasn't already been done, there is big market for that I think, and a big potential soapbox once the police identify the purveyor of these systems as a "narco-paedophile-terrorist." Because that's what happens next I can almost guarantee it.

  • IceTrey||

    If you have a smartphone you can get Qik (Qik.com) that does just that.

  • ||

    Yeah, but integrated into your car, with low-light capability, etc. The idea is the cop can't be sure if he's being recorded or not. If you're waving cellphone camera in front of him the gig is up.

  • ||

    Plus, I just thought of this. Such a camera system could record your driving - not upload unless you wanted to of course. However such recordings would serve two purposes:

    1. Insurance companies would love it because it gives clear recording of what happened when in accidents. Might even get a discount for having such a system in your car.

    2. Legal defense. There are so many bullshit pullovers where cop says he pulled you over for some minor traffic offense that you may or may not have committed. Such recordings would eliminate such avenues of harassment, as when the recording is presented the policeman's contention of original pullover reason would be invalidated, throwing whole thing out of court in some instances.

  • Chris G||

    But just remember, by doing so, you're pretty much volunteering to put yourself under 24/7 self-surveillance. Start considering encryption, who has access to that video database? etc. Just some food for thought.

  • IceTrey||

    Well theirs a ton of tiny cameras available.

    http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/tinyspycams.html

  • Phssthpok||

    From your article:

    ‘”Oregon and New Hampshire are also all-party-consent states. As in Maryland, their wiretapping statutes say the offended party must have a reasonable expectation that the conversation was private.”

    Point of order:

    Oregon is a NOT an all party CONSENT state…One need merely NOTIFY to remain on the shiny side of the law. In addition, there is no ‘expectation of privacy’ written into ORS 165.540(1)(c).

    (Can you tell I got arrested for running afoul of the above?)

  • wingnutx||

    Would a window sticker announcing "you are being recorded" satisfy the requirements of the law?

  • Chris G||

    New York citizens have a lot of latitude in these cases. It is a single consent state for both face-to-face and phone conversations, both landline and cellphone.

  • ||

    Your average police cruiser these days is nothing more than a mobile recording studio:

    *4 corner radar/infra-red speed detection
    *360 degree audio/video recording that can accompany the operator when they leave the vehicle
    *interior video/audio recording

    As well, these concepts of partial and complete immunity for LEO's and prosecutors need a complete re-think: Thoses statutes are just as outdated as some of the wiretap laws.

  • EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy||

    The important point from the POV of any corrupt or power-mad police officers who happen to slip through the fine psychological screening process currently in place, is that the systems you refer to can "malfunction" on demand.

  • Ted S.||

    I thought the psychological screening was explicitly designed to produce corrupt and power-mad police officers.

  • ||

    Every lawyer I know says Judges don't have to follow the law in their courtroom, they apply it however the hell they feel like at the time.

    The problem is it's easy to become a judge. All you have to do is win an election.

  • ||

    But then you have win re-election, a few years later, and some Youtube clip of you behaving like an asshole might put a crimp in that.

    And now you know why the judge's sacred right not to be recorded in the courtroom must be preserved!

    If there's one thing the judicial system does extremely well, it's protect itself.

  • ||

    Most, if not all police cruisers have dash board cams. Perhaps people could counter sue for the police recording them with out consent? Or use the decisions of the courts to have dashboard cams excluded from evidence based on the decisions of the court when cameras are turned on the police? Generally speaking Amrican law and law enforcement are completely out of control.

  • ||

    I am half thinking to put a bumper sticker on my car that reads: 'By stopping this vehicle you consent to being recorded.'

  • Mean Girl||

    I am half thinking. to put a bumper sticker on my car that reads: 'By stopping this vehicle you consent to being recorded.'

    There you go. No charge.

  • hmm||

    unoriginal, unfunny

    fail mean and fail troll

  • hmm||

    The ability to get public service abuse rapidly into the public sphere of information is one of the greatest things to happen in the last 50 years.

  • hmm||

    Nice article Mr. Balko.

  • ||

    Pretty outrageous. But what is most troubling is that this is not some principaled upholding of the concept of privacy - it is a naked, nude, triple XXX attempt to prevent the introduction of indisputable evidence.
    Does the US want a hairsplitting legal system, or a justice system? When the gubermint can always, without restraint, record the citizens, but where the citizens, cannot record the gubermint, even in public, that are public proceedings...
    We are getting periously close to a world of ORWELL speak (right of privacy of a public official performing a public duty) You can't even parody this stuff...

  • ||

    Triplethink.

  • Chris G||

    "When the gubermint can always, without restraint, record the citizens, but where the citizens, cannot record the gubermint, even in public, that are public proceedings..."

    It's scary.

  • ||

    If anything we say can and will be used, and officers need to file reports on the pertinent points of an interaction, then there is NO expectation of privacy. Even in a 1 on 1 encounter the officer is on the public payroll, on public roads or highways. Even on private property. This is ridiculous and needs to be changed now...

    The only privacy anyone is gauranteed is the thoughts in there own head and I'm sure science almost has that figured out too...

  • Ron||

    De Ja Vu or I need more rest

  • The Real Steve||

    Does the US want a hairsplitting legal system, or a justice system?

    When was the last time a law was passed seeking justice? Split hairs make more money (and leads to more control) for the state.

  • ||

    It's OK for Big Brother to watch us but not OK for us to watch Big Brother.

  • Fiscal Meth||

    Let me get this straight. Ignorance of the unpredictable outcome of a future judge's interpretation of what constitutes a cop's expectation of privacy does not excuse me from felony charges, while the same cop can be completely ignorant of the same law under "Qualified Immunity" and throw me in jail for taping him and face no penalty if he's wrong and I had every right to do so?

    The 2 intended effects of this are that

    1.citizens tend to not record because they may or may not go to jail for several years with no way of telling which will happen. And

    2.the cops tend to arrest everyone who records because the less they're recorded, the less they are held responsible for their behavior and there's no down side if they give the judges plenty of opportunities to make examples out of some of the people reinforcing the first effect.

  • ||

    Pasco is an ASSHOLE!
    Fraternal order of Assholes!

    This is what give cops a bad name.
    They do it to themselves!

  • ||

    I realize that the law is what those charged with enforcing it say it is, but it is utterly beyond me how this notion that you can not photograph/record the police - our servants and protectors - as they perform their duties could possibly stand up in court. Frankly, this verges on the obscene with respect to holding public officials accountable to the people for whom they supposedly work. Which we all know is actually a joke.

  • ||

    I realize that the law is what those charged with enforcing it say it is, but it is utterly beyond me how this notion that you can not photograph/record the police - our servants and protectors - as they perform their duties could possibly stand up in court. Frankly, this verges on the obscene with respect to holding public officials accountable to the people for whom they supposedly work. Which we all know is actually a joke.

  • ||

    If a police officer has any expectation of privacy as to what he/she says or does in a public stop and detain or arrest of another person, then no one other than a police officer could be allowed to testify at trial as a witness to the events. When you conduct your business out of the street, it is utterly ridiculous - as well as being legally and Constitutionally infirm - to argue that you may not be video-taped in any fashion nor your words recorded.

  • BWM||

    I frankly don't understand why we even HAVE wiretapping laws, except those limiting literal wiretapping and other government surveillance. Why CAN'T I record my own conversations with people? It's not like I could commit blackmail with that info and not get charged for, you know, blackmail. Whatever illegal thing I could do with the recording is illegal, so making the ACT illegal is silly. It'd be like banning the internet because of piracy.

  • Twetts||

    So do the wiretapping laws allow me to call the police on a friend if he tries to video tape me without my consent?

  • Princeton student||

    Police officers are the scum of our society. Who would volunteer to be shot at just for the reward of having to privilege to telling ordinary citizens how to conduct their daily affairs? There are plenty of good, honest cops, but they are overshadowed by their colleagues who are any embarrassment to the force.

  • Mensan||

    How many cops do you think are ever actually shot at? They like to act like their job is very dangerous, but it's not like they're fishermen, lumberjacks, or roofers.

  • ||

    Any cops who don't want to be recorded on active duty are massive cowards.

  • dave||

    “You violated my right to privacy,” the judge said.

    A judge in a public courtroom has no right to privacy at that time.

    This judge needs to be fired and replaced with someone who doesn't twist the laws to fit their personal agenda.

  • ||

    "When a police officer is on the job, he’s part of the government. So [Pasco] is trying to say the government has civil rights to protect it from the people?"

    If the police who are supposed to serve us want protection from us, they need to get a different job.

    And I generally like and respect cops. But they can be as intimidating as hell even for we who *think* we are law abiding.

  • Miles Summer||

    You know, the National Security Agency is located in Maryland. If Maryland requires "all party consent" before recording private conversations, then, well you do the math.

  • ||

    Presumably you have overlooked the fact that the NSA is a Federal agency, and Federal agencies are subject to state law only if Congress feels like it.

    You'll also note that soldiers can carry "assault weapons" even in states that prohibit them. Same thing.

  • Way to go, AG Coakley!||

    "Attorney General Martha Coakley told the paper her office took no position on the arrests, or on the distinction between open and secretive recording."

    I'm sure federal AG Holder feels the same way.

  • ||

    Could one of my Illinois brethren send me a link to the statute or ordinance that proclaims the criminal nature of photographing or recording law enforcement in Cook County or the State itself?

  • ||

    Life in prison for nothing? Welcome to the police state, folks. Just one more reason it no longer makes sense to allow yourself to be arrested for any reason at all. We are now at war.

  • ||

    FYI Oregon is not an all-party consent state. I do not have the exact statute handy, but to be precise, it is a SINGLE party consent state. I lived there for many years, and I have actually used that law in court with single party phone recordings.

  • Chris G||

    This is what you're looking for:
    http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html

  • ||

    Good God people--you just don't understand. Allowing people to record public servants is a direct infringement of said public servants' right to commit Aggravated Perjury at will.

    If we let the peasants start recording their betters at will civilization itself might crumble.

  • ||

    Maybe there's middle ground here. Perhaps make recording always okay, but make it against the law to post it on public sites, at least until legal action in the recorded incident is concluded. Or have an exception that it's okay if the officer's face is blurred out. There are other circumstances that could be considered.

    I'm not a cop, and I don't have any friends or family in the police. But I think we should at least consider it from their point of view. Yes, they have physical force and legal power and both have been abused. But even a random traffic stop can turn deadly without warning. How many of us would want to be put under a microscope in our daily lives and be expected to behave perfectly or have our faults broadcast to the world?

  • ||

    ""How many of us would want to be put under a microscope in our daily lives and be expected to behave perfectly or have our faults broadcast to the world?""

    Most of us on this site are aware that what we do in public is a public matter. Plus there's a difference when the fault is your funny trip and fall that ends up a youtube sensation, and a cop that lies about harm to your liberty, pocket book, and sometimes health.

  • ||

    Probably been said already with this crowd but, "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

    Thanks, Balko for the news... gonna go drink some more NZ wine to get over it...

  • Joe C||

    If I was given the power to arrest people and use deadly force at my own discretion, I think I should probably be held at a higher level of accountability than I am at my current job selling electronics.

  • Emporer wears no clothes||

    I'm a peaceful person.
    And I've never even touched a gun, much less fired one.
    But if some cranked-up wacko in street clothes races out of his car pointing a gun at me, he should feel lucky that the only thing I point at him is a helmet-cam.
    Because if I can reach a piece first, I'm firing it and sorting out the bodies later.

  • Francis W. Porretto||

    Inasmuch as no one could possibly stop a citizen from testifying to the events of a police action, it's clear that these arrests are intended to suppress impersonal, non-eyewitness evidence of police misconduct. The implications should be clear to anyone with an IQ greater than that of a potted plant.

  • ||

    "Pasco says his main concern is that activists will tamper with videos or use clips out of context to make police officers look bad."

    Rashomon.

    The cops should also be making their own recordings. If someone else's video has been tampered with or selectively edited, then they can easily clear things up by releasing their official, complete version.

    The idea would be sealed cameras (with microphones) that are always on, recording everything every officer does everywhere. But encouraging cops to use their own cameras is a good start.

  • ||

    Why are we even interviewing a dude that runs the FOP?

    these are the guys that harasss me on the phone for not 'giving?'

  • Sid||

    It seems to me that every instance of the word "confiscate" in this article should be switched to the word "stole", as in "the police stole the cameras or photos of people who filmed them".

  • Gregory Goldmaker||

    Is the proper level at which to work on changing these laws state or local?

  • Silvermist||

    Federal, I think. Just for the hell of it, I've changed my plans on my book after this and the US is described as an Orwellian hellhole. And the aliens are invading to take their stuff back before the US abuses it.

  • notadvice||

    Every state law is different regarding recording audio and/or video and most make a distinction between face-to-face interactions and telecommunications. As another commenter noted, Oregon is NOT an all-party consent state as this article erroneously states. For face-face interactions one must inform the other person that they are being recorded - no consent is required. For telecommunications and the like, consent by only one party is necessary.

  • True Patriot||

    This is exactly why our founding fathers called for a cleansing revolution every so often. When the people let government forces walk all over them they become a totalitarian state. We need to make a stand for what is right and remind the government and law enforcement that WE are in charge not them. A country of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE... not of, by, and for the rulers. Its a sad state we find ourselves in and by continually allowing injustice such as this to occur we are forfeiting our right to call ourselves "American Patriots". Thomas Jefferson would call us cowardly traitors if he could see the state of this country today.

  • Scott||

    First Amendment? What's that?

    I live in Illinois, where the "Two Party Rule" (both participants must consent to wiretapping/videotape recording) has been consistently and conveniently "misinterpreted" to allow police officers to act with impunity.

    Corruption and malfeasance are common occurrences here - the state is notorious in the international press as being one of the most corrupt in North America, yet little is being done to correct this.

    I have observed beatings, officers transferring boxes of material from their cruisers to private cars, intentional traffic diversions that guarantee a steady stream of tickets, and any number of incidents of non-criminal dismissible offenses, yet we are not allowed to document this under threat of effective permanent incarceration.

    Could someone please explain how this is better than an African or Russian system?

  • John Pollard||

    What about when the Feds taped Blago? Based on this law, that should have been illegal too apparently? I don't think he consented.

  • ||

    The only person who needs to be facing criminal charges is Judge Kimbra Harrell!

    At the very least she needs to resign immediately, turn in her law license, go back to law school, and retake that first year constitutional law course. She obviously missed a few things the first time.

    Assuming the Peoples Republic of Illinois is like most states, appeals aren't very effective without a record. It's a disgrace that the Judge Harrell would not allow a official court reporter to record the court proceedings, especially when the defendant asked for a court reporter. In the absence of that, what was he supposed to do? Take notes in shorthand?

    Shorthand probably would have offended the judge of the Illinois kangaroo court too.

  • ||

    The solution for this issue and many other issues would be very simple. The solution would be for every law, or amendment that legislatures vote for or against simply allow the public to vote for or against them as well. After all these laws do effect every legal citizen so one way to solve this problem is to allow the citizenry to cast their votes on these issues and see what the citizens think of these laws. Also another solution would be to remove all immunity from police, prosecutors, and judges. Either the law is meant for all or it is meant for nobody. Nobody should be immune from prosecution.

  • Joanna Lark||

    I need to warn my boyfriend, who is making a short video about life on our street, as sometimes he is filming a police in action from our window. I don't want him in jail! ;)

  • Mark W||

    There are cameras now that are IP-based and can record and upload to Youtube and even Tweet your videos when they go online.
    I'm lining my house with these 'mole cams' which are wireless and feed my wireless AP. I intend to record the entire process of police trying to evict me from my home for unpaid back property taxes. With the youtube capability, it'll all be online before the police figure out they've been caught on video violating the 4th amendment right of a homeowner who owes no mortgage to anyone.

  • ||

    That statement on page 5 of the article, about police not checking their civil rights at the door...the reverse is equally true: If it's illegal to record without all-party consent, then dash cams turn cops into felons in states with all-party consent and no specific exception for patrol car dash cams. The same would be true for security cameras in public areas of government buildings.

  • ||

    Pasco states we should have trust in our police and legal system. You must first earn that trust if you want the people to have trust. I have had my life completely obliterated by dishonest police and DA's in my life. The most recent example of dishonest police and sham justice happened to me on 4/22/2008,(look at kccn.tv sheriffs disdain for the fourth amendment or calguns matt hart or same as above). This was the second time in my life I was wrongfully accused while police officers openly violated the law and then conspired on their own video to arrest and charge me with multiple fictitious charges. The officers lied in court and tried to change their stories after the writing of those reports citing clerical errors etc., it was a travesty to what we believe to be justice. 7/18/2002, I was detained, beaten and accused of multiple charges all of which were false and once again we caught police officers lying under oath and in there reports which ended up in a deal that if I promised not to sue the officers or the county of San Luis Obispo, THEN and only THEN I could have Factual Innocence and there would be no record that this event ever even existed. After not being able to return to work until the matter was concluded (2.5 years) at a high security facility where I was and had been a supervisor there for over 15 years, completely broke, injured and sick I took the deal but they lied once more and did not destroy all evidence of the matter and upon returning back to my job which I was so lucky to get back after being gone so long, well when my background check came back to my employer I was once again dismissed. These events have cost me everything I ever worked for and ironically the county still wants more money from me for their so called "recovery program" to pay for a more than useless public defender I was provided after I had completely ran out of money! I carry a recorder both audio and video EVERYWHERE I go and always will for my own protection against these crimes under color of law. Just the other day I was pulled over by the same LE dept. just the other day,(the 6th time since 4/22/2008), and in the conversation the officer asked if I had a recorder in my pocket which I told him yes it was and it is on. He told me that it was illegal and I responded with "I believe your recording me right now yes? He nodded what seemed to be a yes. I told him I think if I'm being recorded by you a public servant then I should have the right to record you back for my own safety". He walked off saying "Better check the law". I know that in both events (7/18/2002 and 4/22/2008), the video and audio evidence was tampered with- cutting things they (DA's and police) want and don't want, I have proof and I am proof that this is rampant and out of control! I don't think people will put up with this forever. I know I wouldn't! kccn.tv sheriff illegally raid/ calguns matt hart or sheriffs disdain of fourth amendment-check out whats coming unless we put a stop to these crimes by LE.

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    Pasco states we should have trust in our police and legal system. You must first earn that trust if you want the people to have trust. I have had my life completely obliterated by dishonest police and DA's in my life. The most recent example of dishonest police and sham justice happened to me on 4/22/2008,(look at kccn.tv sheriffs disdain for the fourth amendment or calguns matt hart or same as above). This was the second time in my life I was wrongfully accused while police officers openly violated the law and then conspired on their own video to arrest and charge me with multiple fictitious charges. The officers lied in court and tried to change their stories after the writing of those reports citing clerical errors etc., it was a travesty to what we believe to be justice. 7/18/2002, I was detained, beaten and accused of multiple charges all of which were false and once again we caught police officers lying under oath and in there reports which ended up in a deal that if I promised not to sue the officers or the county of San Luis Obispo, THEN and only THEN I could have Factual Innocence and there would be no record that this event ever even existed. After not being able to return to work until the matter was concluded (2.5 years) at a high security facility where I was and had been a supervisor there for over 15 years, completely broke, injured and sick I took the deal but they lied once more and did not destroy all evidence of the matter and upon returning back to my job which I was so lucky to get back after being gone so long, well when my background check came back to my employer I was once again dismissed. These events have cost me everything I ever worked for and ironically the county still wants more money from me for their so called "recovery program" to pay for a more than useless public defender I was provided after I had completely ran out of money! I carry a recorder both audio and video EVERYWHERE I go and always will for my own protection against these crimes under color of law. Just the other day I was pulled over by the same LE dept. just the other day,(the 6th time since 4/22/2008), and in the conversation the officer asked if I had a recorder in my pocket which I told him yes it was and it is on. He told me that it was illegal and I responded with "I believe your recording me right now yes? He nodded what seemed to be a yes. I told him I think if I'm being recorded by you a public servant then I should have the right to record you back for my own safety". He walked off saying "Better check the law". I know that in both events (7/18/2002 and 4/22/2008), the video and audio evidence was tampered with- cutting things they (DA's and police) want and don't want, I have proof and I am proof that this is rampant and out of control! I don't think people will put up with this forever. I know I wouldn't! kccn.tv sheriff illegally raid/ calguns matt hart or sheriffs disdain of fourth amendment-check out whats coming unless we put a stop to these crimes by LE.

  • ||

    Unfortunately, out justice system has changed from fighting crime to fighting against the American people.

  • ||

    A very profound insight.

  • ||

    "At some point, we have to put some faith and trust in our authority figures."
    - First of all, I thought the police were "public servants" not "authority figures". And maybe putting trust in "public servants" who think of themselves as "authority figures" isn't the wisest move a free people could make.

  • hershey||

    Illinois sucks ass

  • Truth Liberal||

    What's with the photo ad at the top of the story "Right Shirts Done Right" and picture of attractive woman wearing smiley faced t-shirt that says "Imagine No Liberals"??? I thought this website was for opened minded liberal views as in this article, not some far right wing do it our way or else violent method...

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  • Sally_Oh||

    If everything's a crime, they can pick and choose what they are going to throw you in jail for. Can't work on a car on your own property? It's not your property.

  • ||

    I thank the powers (over man) that be every day for technology...specifically the ability to record these SOBs. I was sexually assaulted, tased, maced and otherwise treated brutally by men and women wearing badges in Wisconsin. I was then prosecuted for reporting it. I wish I had video or audio to back up my account of what happened. But I'll never get justice because I didn't. I hate them...and I hope people keep pushing for the right to record these jerks. We should - while on duty serving the public, they should have NO expectation of privacy.

  • Bubba||

    As a follow-up to this article, it will be interesting to find out what happens to the police officers who beat a homeless man to death in Fullertaon, CA.

    http://reason.com/blog/2011/07.....fter-being

  • wubai||

    How about mbt kisumu sandals this one: there are X driving deaths a year- what % of driving deaths (or serious injuries) involve alcohol, or other intoxicating substances? kisumu 2 People are pretty darn good drivers when they are not impaired.

  • jiusuan||

    good

  • greg sparks||

    you can only fight evil with evil, blood for blood not money for violations. stand up and die for it.

  • DietSolutionGuide.com||

    I dont know, war on camera? What is it supposed to mean folks?

  • Alrazaak.com||

    That statement on page 5 of the article, about police not checking their civil rights at the door...the reverse is equally true: If it's illegal to record without all-party consent, then dash cams turn cops into felons in states with all-party consent and no specific exception for patrol car dash cams. The same would be true for security cameras in public areas of government buildings.
    https://plus.google.com/117549355457131971801

  • Sbobet||

    i hope no war again between nation, but i support war to drugs and terrorist

  • Skeebo||

    Looks like things are getting worse. NY Attny Gen wants all new cell phones to have a police kill switch (hardware based, so you an hack your own bypass).

    Review and analysis at http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2.....-signals/.

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