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[Commenter_XY]

To our Christian VC Conspirators: Merry Christmas!

[Frank Drackman]

I got a rock.

[Dr. Ed 2]

Better than lumps of coal.

[Josh R]

Two months late.

[hobie]

Merry Christmas to all!

[Michael P]

May everyone have a good day, whatever their faith or creed.

[ThePublius]

Thank you, and I hope you had a joyful Hanukkah.

[SRG2]

Seconded! (or thirded, fourthed, etc...)

[Bwaaah]

Good cheer to all!

[not guilty]

Merry Christmas to all here who celebrate the holiday!

[Kazinski]

I've never been a Christian, even at an early age I can never recall a time when I believed in God or a divine Christ.

But when I was young it was explained to me what Christmas is all about, and you don't have to be a Christian to appreciate it and be happy for those who believe it and participate in their joy.

Here is how it was explained by someone I trusted, and the musical score didn't hurt:

“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God, and saying: ‘Glory to God in the highest, and on Earth, peace and goodwill towards men.’”

That’s what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.

[bloocow2]

Merry Christmas everyone! It's the evening here, but I still think it counts haha.

I don't have a lot of social life where I'm living at the moment (in Papua New Guinea). So today I dressed up as Santa and took some clip-on koalas around to kids from the local villages. It was a fun time, and it didn't rain too much!

[santamonica811]

Oh, what a pity that there's no way to attach photos here. I'm sure it was quite a sight for the kids. A nice thing you did.

[bloocow2]

Thanks! I don't have a lot of money here, but even small gestures are appreciated. "Leave the world better than when you found it" is a good motto to have, even if you can only improve it little by little.

[hobie]

Can you share what village you are in? I'd like to take a look at it.

[bloocow2]

Goroka. (it's a town, really, given how spread out it is)

[hobie]

Interesting. Why did they get such a big airport? Also, why at the Goroka Steak House next to the airport, do they serve a dish of chocolate ice cream on top of cucumbers?

Yeah, you better dish and tell us why you're there.

[bloocow2]

I'm volunteering!

And yes, the airport is right in the centre of town. To the point that North, South, East, West are all in relation to the airport 🙂

I've never been to that steak house, but I've heard it's good!

[Dr. Ed 2]

One thing I didn't realize until last night's service -- the wise men came from Iraq and Iran.

Now Epiphany, aka "Three Kings Day" (Jan 6th) is supposed to be the day they arrived, the 12th day of Christmas. AI says that it is 546 miles from Baghdad to Bethlehem, 1,037 from Tehran.

Could you do that in 12 days with Camels?

[Frank Drackman]

Maybe they had a Flying Carpet, being Persian and all.

[hobie]

A gentle reminder on Christmas, Ed, that not all Arabs should be nuked:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/773533789107053

[Mr. Bumble]

See Drackman above. Iranians are not Arabs.

[Kazinski]

What makes you think they were Arabs, even in Iraq?

More likely Sumerians, Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians. Arabs at that time were mostly nomadic tribes, in Arabia.

[Alpheus W Drinkwater]

There is also some thought that they may have been from the Indian subcontinent. Definitely not Arab in that case.

[ducksalad]

Not on one camel. But it seems quite feasible if done Pony Express style, exchanging for fresh camels at inns. Which they did have back then, and the kings would have plenty of money to throw around.

(Disclaimer: I am not a professional camel handler.)

[gVOR08]

Apropos of nothing, that was supposedly Butch Cassidy's trick. He had relays of fresh horses arranged before he robbed a bank, so his gang could outrun a posse, who had no such arrangements.

[bernard11]

Per ChatGPT:

A camel’s daily travel distance depends on conditions, but typical ranges are:

20–30 miles (32–48 km) per day at a steady walking pace with a load

Up to ~40 miles (65 km) if lightly loaded and pushed harder

50–60 miles (80–100 km) is possible in exceptional cases (good terrain, cool weather, well-rested camel)

So no, especially from Tehran. But, Baghdad is almost on the far side of Iraq from Israel. You can get much closer, maybe no farther than Damascus is, 140 miles.

[Martinned2]

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate. May the holidays give you hope in these dark days.

[ThePublius]

Thank you! But, they're not dark days for everyone. 🙂

[hobie]

Agreed. White heterosexual Christians appear to be quite pleased

[ThePublius]

There are plenty of non-whites and non-Christians who are happy, too.

[Dr. Ed 2]

Hobie, exactly what is wrong with White Heterosexual Christians being happy? I'm not going any further than that on Christmas.

[Magister]

Many of them are happy only if people unlike them are unhappy.

[Kazinski]

4.3% GDP lifts all boats.

[Mr. Bumble]

@ Publius:
May appear darker to Martin when there are tank barriers to protect Christmas Markets.

[ThePublius]

Yes, indeed, I hadn't considered that. But I thought he was in the U.K. now? It is pretty dark in that respect, in Germany, Austria, and elsewhere in Europe. Soon to come here, I'm sure.

[Dr. Ed 2]

No it won't, not while we have guns.

[Mr. Bumble]

Give it a rest Ed and go have a glass of eggnog (heavy on the rum).

[Bwaaah]

And may you bring less darkness to the already lightening days here in the Northern hemisphere.

[Mr. Bumble]

...always thought the wish for the holidays was backward and that it should be Happy Christmas (and Merry New Year).
In any case best wishes to all!

[Bwaaah]

Well now...your quibble strikes me as correct.

Here and after, I think it will always be somewhat wrong for me that way.

This is how baggage accumulates.

[Frank Drackman]

Anyone else doing Chinese today?
Actually we've been doing Korean for the last 10 years or so, Gwinnett County, known as the "Seoul of the South" (get it? "Seoul"??)
My favorite is Seo Ra Beol, Korean BBQ open 24-7/365
How do they do it?? McDonald's isn't open 24-7/365, Burger King isn't,
OK, Waffle House is, but you can't get Gun Mando at Waffle House.
OTOH Seo Ra Beol doesn't have Hash Browns.

Frank

[Mr. Bumble]

Is prime rib Chinese?

[Frank Drackman]

It's certainly Korean, so just pretend it's Chinese, they all look alike anyway.

[Brett Bellmore]

Lamb leg confit here.

[ducksalad]

Thanks for the advice on goose a few weeks back. Unfortunately it's not going to happen, our local groceries stopped carrying it and I'm not into mail-order perishables. My wife did make fessanjoon for the solstice and we'll probably have the leftovers for Christmas.

[Brett Bellmore]

They still sell them in the groceries around here, but the price is insane. I barter with a local farmer, and have to process them myself.

[Brett Bellmore]

The lamb leg confit turned out great.

Well, honestly, I don't know why the recipe called it "confit", it was just a braise, but braised in a mix of beef stock and orange juice. Came out nice and tender, with a sweet finish.

Paired it with Rice a Roni. The under-appreciated San Francisco treat. It really is quite good.

[Bwaaah]

I had Chinese food last night. As I walked to my Chinese takeout place, I said to my son, "This is the first time we've ever had Chinese on Christmas. They say that's a big thing for Jews. I never determined if that's actually true."

I asked the owner if it's true about Jews and Chinese food and Christmas. He said, "Not today! Tomorrow! Very big. Very big! In Chinatown, you wait two hours to eat tomorrow. My Chinese friend came last Christmas to get dinner here because she didn't have time to wait in Chinatown."

"Jewish people?" I asked.

"Yes. Jewish people. They do that. It's a big day."

(Yeah. I'm late to this, as with many things.)

[Mr. Bumble]

Chinese food followed by a trip to the movies is where my daughters Jewish friend will be today.

[Dr. Ed 2]

Are there no Jewish restaurants?

[Stella Link's Ghost]

Perhaps all the Jewish restaurants are closed so that the owners can go out and eat Chinese food.

[Dr. Ed 2]

🙂

[bernard11]

I once knew the owner of a Chinese restaurant.

He told me that when planning one, it was very important that it be in or very near to a Jewish neighborhood.

I understand that some very learned rabbis contend that shrimp is kosher when eaten in a Chinese restaurant. Pork is still being debated.

Anyway, Merry Christmas to the Christians, Happy Day Off to the rest. Also, I had a very nice Chanukah and hope my fellow Jews did too.

[Dr. Ed 2]

I maintain that offshore lobster should be, the same way that the Bangor (ME) water is -- it's *so* clean that it has some microscopic crustacean in it and the Rabbi said that the Lord didn't intend it to apply to something that people couldn't see back then.

Well they also couldn't go 30 miles offshore and pull up traps from 300 feet down....

[bernard11]

No.

I suspect the idea is that you can't be held accountable for eating something you can't see on your plate.

Lobsters, being red, are quite visible before being eaten.

[Kazinski]

Duck and Prime Rib.

[JoeFromtheBronx]

It is generally assumed that Jesus was born during the reign of King Herod. Herod's reign ended in 4 BC /BCE. So Jesus was born before Christ. Or, it might have just been a glitch in the original dating.

16 So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. 17 When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.

Babies being born often are optimistic times. Merry Christmas.

[hobie]

"Babies being born often are optimistic times."

Let's get some punctuation in there, Joe.

[Davy C]

Seems to be dating glitches. Some monk 500+ years later tried to calculate and got it wrong by a few years.

[Mr. Bumble]

Measuring time and dates was not uniform in the ancient world,
thus the confusion.

[Brett Bellmore]

"It is generally assumed that Jesus was born during the reign of King Herod."

Which is why I find that Little Drummer Boy song hilarious. The king in the song would have been Herod...

[Stella Link's Ghost]

"The king in the song would have been Herod..."

The King in the song would be the sweet baby Jesus.

From the NKJ Mathew 2:
"Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, [a]wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.”

from the song(sans pa-rum, pum-pum, pum):

"Come, they told me
A newborn King to see
Our finest gifts we bring
And to lay before the King"

Cool tune though not much of a drummer.

[Brett Bellmore]

LOL! You're right, it's "Do you hear what I hear", not little drummer boy.

Oh, well: Nearly 67 AND I have the flu. Not firing on all cylinders at the moment.

[Stella Link's Ghost]

"Do you hear what I hear"
About the "king" in this song.
The shepherd boy, it appears to me, is either a witness to Jesus's birth or someone who is magically aware of the birth, made aware, perhaps, by the lamb. The "king" addressed by the shepherd boy would be one of the three wise men. The legend that the wise men were some sort of royalty is, of course, not in the Bible. Nor is the number of wise men given in Matthew. These traditions evolved by the third century, according to the internet, in order to harmonize the Biblical account in Matthew with supposed prophecies in the old testament.

In the verse following the colloquy between the king and the shepherd boy we find:

"A Child, a Child shivers in the cold
Let us bring him silver and gold
Let us bring him silver and gold"

That, it seems to me, is the king speaking -- not Herod, but one of the Magi.

No telling where the author of Matthew (whoever he was) got this story. It's not one of the things that he cribbed from Mark (written by someone, nobody knows who) and it's not included in Luke, who also gives us a nativity story.

About the historicity of this story, AI says:
"The historicity of the wise men, or Magi, is debated; most biblical scholars view them as symbolic figures in a theological narrative rather than actual historical individuals,"

[Dr. Ed 2]

Ummm, Stella, that song is about ICBMs and Global Thermonuclear War. It was written during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

A "star with a tail as big as a kite" is a missile in flight.

It's a prayer for peace.

[bernard11]

"A Child, a Child shivers in the cold
Let us bring him silver and gold
Let us bring him silver and gold"

I always thought these lyrics odd.
Nothing wrong with silver and gold, of course, but how about a blanket?

[Dr. Ed 2]

Think a bad sunburn and how you are chilled afterwards from both the blood going to the surface and dehydration. Well the flash of the nuke would do the same thing, although I am not sure if it was this or their mothers being dead.

And as to wind, if you think a jet engine is loud, large rockets are louder.

https://thebulletin.org/2022/12/do-you-hear-what-i-hear-was-actually-about-the-cuban-missile-crisis/

[not guilty]

I recall a parody from decades back run in Nashville's weekly "alternative" newspaper. They reported the story of an arrest of a young man for creating a disturbance by playing his drum in the maternity ward of what was then called Baptist Hospital.

[hobie]

Republicans Who Backed Afghan Visas Are Mum as Trump Halts Them

After a fatal shooting, the Trump administration froze a visa program for Afghans that Republicans in Congress had championed. The G.O.P. has not objected.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/25/us/politics/republicans-afghan-visas.html

So what gives, hayseeds? Y'all were clamoring for this when you wanted to bloody Biden's nose.

[Bwaaah]

I spoke sympathetically of Afghans who aided U.S. forces who were seeking to migrate to the U.S. I don't remember anybody else joining in with me from either the left or the right.

I'm a pretty messed up example of your "hayseeds." Anyway, you do loves your stereotypes, Hobie.

[ducksalad]

You don't remember anyone joining you, but then we don't remember you saying it.

In the spirit of Christmas let's chalk up both facts to the limits of human memory rather than a dimly gaslit conspiracy of denial and hypocrisy. We can go back to that tomorrow.

[Bwaaah]

You mistake me for a bullshitter. And maybe MAGA too?

As I recall (which may be wrong), the thread was focused on a different angle of disagreement, and my remark didn't seem to be of interest to others.

[ducksalad]

You mistake me for a bullshitter.

Actually no. I really don't remember your position on Afghan ally-migrants but am perfectly willing to believe it is whatever you say it was. Since there isn't an effective search engine for comments here - any maybe that's a good thing - I'd have to also give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who said they joined your opinion. After all, they might have joined your opinion after the thread had gone stale, like the two-day old newspaper that would be lining the bottom of a birdcage except we don't have newspapers anymore.

Also, I don't think you are MAGA. I think you are anti-anti-MAGA, which is different. Sort of like an anti-anti-racist is not necessarily a racist, they might just think the anti-racists have gone too far or are making illogical arguments. Is that a fair assessment?

That was my charitable Christmas feeling exhibiting itself and you missed it. Now it'll be a whole year before there's another chance.

[Bwaaah]

Well...I wrote a caching search script and found the remark. In your defense, you were essentially correct: one person from the right opposed visas for Afghans who helped the U.S., and another person from the left favored such visas.

https://reason.com/volokh/2025/11/28/open-thread-29/?comments=true#comment-11296872

In reading it back, I understand why I didn't recall those other remarks. I would probably forget them again today.

Merry Christmas. (I appreciate your charitable words.) We throws me off, even in bold.

And I hope Mrs. Salad wasn't a thermostat this holiday.

[Dr. Ed 2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJsOFIv27iw

About what one would expect of the FBI.

[Sylvie1]

Merry Christmas!

As usual, I purchased meals for 100 needy, and gave some food to a struggling neighbor.

I highly recommend this lovely concert.

https://youtu.be/ODV0lXQth7U?si=AUjiKwwjd1zo8rkL

And let's never forget the Mass of Christ, the meaning of it all, the "reason for the season!"

[SRG2]

And O Holy Night, sung by the very fine opera singer Morris Robinson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isL6Vwp31oU

[ThePublius]

Today is the day 249 years ago that Washington crossed the Delaware to attack the British army (actually Hessians) in Trenton. I learned some new stuff from Don Surber's piece on it:

https://donsurber.substack.com/p/monroe-crossing-the-delaware

By the way, that famous painting of the event by Emanuel Leutze is in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC, and it's enormous! Over 12' high and 21' long. I've seen it a few times, it's incredible, albeit historically inaccurate, more allegorical, I would say.

Notable that an 18 year old James Monroe, our fifth president, was at the battle and severely wounded, shot through the breast and shoulder. He would surely have died had a nearby doctor not clamped the artery that was pierced.

[Mr. Bumble]

As is often the case "the rest of the story' about this painting(s) is interesting.
"The original was part of the collection at the Kunsthalle in Bremen, Germany, and was destroyed in a bombing raid in 1942, during World War II. One of Leutze's other two versions is now in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City. The other was in the West Wing reception area of the White House in Washington, D.C., but in March 2015, was purchased and put on display at the Minnesota Marine Art Museum in Winona, Minnesota. In April 2022 Christie's announced that the smaller painting would be sold at auction the following month, for a pre-sale estimate of $15 million to $20 million.[1] It sold for $45 million."
More at the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Crossing_the_Delaware_(1851_paintings)

[ThePublius]

Thank you! Interesting. I didn't think to look it up.

I'm trying again at drawing and painting. A good retirement occupation. It's hard! When you try it you have a new appreciation for these masters. My favorite is Caravaggio, who literally changed the art world with his work. And he was quite a nut! Street fighting, murder, fleeing prosecution, etc., all while producing his masterpieces. There are only 7 or so in the U.S. I was fortunate to see a bunch of them in Rome, particularly at the Villa Borghese (twice). An interesting one is "David with the Head of Goliath," which, it turns out, is a double self portrait.
https://borghese.gallery/collection/paintings/david-with-the-head-of-goliath.html

I think the closest Caravaggio to me is in the Wadsworth in Hartford, CT. There's also one at the MOMA.

[ducksalad]

Yes on Caravaggio. To me (untrained philistine) he is much more impressive than more famous artists. The one that shows a gambling dispute about to turn fatal particularly sticks in my memory.

On the other hand, never understood what's so special about the Mona Lisa. Competent portrait but if it was hanging in a gallery among other portraits I'd likely miss it. Saw it person at the Louvre and was underwhelmed.

[ThePublius]

I agree on the Mona Lisa. I saw it, too. I was surprised, it was smaller than I thought it would be. Rather ho-hum to my eye, not that I could do it! But the most interesting things about the painting aren't the painting, but the artist, and the intrigue around the theft in 1910, and other history. It's like baseball cards: collectible not for their intrinsic value, but their rarity and history. Given a choice, I would much prefer to have a Caravaggio than the Mona Lisa.

[Davedave]

The Gioconda Caper by Bob Shaw had an interesting explanation of the smile...

It's in the Cosmic Kaleidoscope short story collection, available from all good secondhand bookshops, and the usual free epub sites like libgen.rs

[SRG2]

FWIW I met Bob Shaw a few times at cons. A very amusing fellow, and his talk was usually one of the highlights of the weekend.

[bernard11]

Given a choice, I would much prefer to have a Caravaggio than the Mona Lisa.

Me too.

[David Nieporent]

To me (untrained philistine) he is much more impressive than more famous artists.

Maybe if he were named after a mutant turtle he'd be more famous.

[Mr. Bumble]

I think you mean maybe if a Mutant Turtle was named after him.

[David Nieporent]

I did not. Why would anyone name a turtle after an obscure artist? That's silly. Now, naming an artist after a famous turtle…

[Brett Bellmore]

Since it's cannon that the TMNT's have traveled in time more than once, (Usually to feudal Japan.) one can't rule out the artists being named after the turtles...

[SRG2]

Yup about the Mona Lisa.

As for Caravaggio, we lived just south of Rome when I was a boy and my father was very knowledgeable about art so I was familiar with him relatively early. I've seen his stuff in Rome, Florence, London, NY, LA (at an exhibition at the Getty) and Valletta, Malta. That may amount to half his sadly limited output. AFAIC he is The Man, as Bernini is for sculpture.

[bernard11]

as Bernini is for sculpture.

I missed this before, but heartily agree.

[bernard11]

Caravaggio is fabulous.

When I was in Rome (sorry I missed you, Publius) it was explained to me by an art historian that Caravaggio thought of himself as a story-teller. He didn't worry much about the realities of the scene, and concentrated on drawing the viewer's attention where he wanted it to go. For example, the light in his paintings may come through windows in a way that is not possible, but he intends to highlight the places where it goes.

Did you see the tryptych of St. Matthew, located in the church (so Google tells me) of San Luigi dei Francesi?

My favorite thing at the Villa Borghese is Bernini's statue of David, which surpasses, IMO, Michelangelo's. The rest of the place, paintings and sculpture, is fabulous also.

[Ridgeway]

I saw the Caravaggios in San Luigi dei Francesi about 8 years ago (shortly before COVID).

It is not exactly a tryptich, IIRC Rather they are three separate paintings, one on each wall of a side chapel. Because of the set up, they were a little hard to see and really appreciate.

[SRG2]

My favorite thing at the Villa Borghese is Bernini's statue of David, which surpasses, IMO, Michelangelo's.

Yup. The Villa Borghese is great. The Canova isn't shabby either.

[Bwaaah]

"Oh Come, All Ye Faithful" by Voctave, one of the tightest a capella groups ever. If you like choral brilliance and perfect vocal harmonies, you'll love their stuff.

[Brett Bellmore]

I'd rather have a Franzetta.

[ThePublius]

Do you mean Frank Frazetta?

[Brett Bellmore]

Yes. I don't know why I always misspell his name.

In technique he was the equal of the old masters, he was an American painter, and I find a lot of his subject material appealing.

[jb]

It's not that hard to have technique as good as the old masters when they've done all the hard work of figuring out the technique.

[Brett Bellmore]

Sure, but, still, technique shows up in a work of art, not the hard work of figuring out the technique.

[Kazinski]

Amusing conversation on X:

Why is Europe better than the United States?

Uhh well,

Europe has a welfare system.
Europe has free higher education
Europe has great public transport.
Europe has a higher life expectancy.
Europe has a much lower cost of living.
Europe has good and cheap healthcare.
Europe has a much higher standard of quality of life than the US in almost every measurable category.
So…how exactly are Americans more “free” than Europeans

And a reply:

Why is the zoo better than living free in the wild?
Uhh well,
The zoo has a welfare system of free food and poop clean-up.
The zoo has free animal training.
The zoo has a monorail where people can travel past all the animals and look at them.
The zoo has a higher life expectancy.
The zoo gives you a much higher chance of not being eaten.
The zoo has good and cheap veterinary care.
The zoo has a much higher standard of quality of life than living free in the wild in almost every measurable category.
Yet they live in a zoo.
So…how exactly are zoo animals (i.e., Europeans) more “free” than wild animals (i.e, Americans).

Certainly a lot the zoo animals would prefer the zoo over freedom, same as pets do.

And certainly both the European and American Systems are preferable to doing slave labor in a Chinese call center in Myanmar, or in a Congolese Cobalt mine.

https://x.com/i/status/2004256591722566126

[hobie]

Are you implying that having all those perks in life is somehow...a prison?

[Kazinski]

What are the tradeoffs?

You are of course making the same argument that was made for decades about communism.

Certainly the tradeoffs aren't as stark, but don't pretend they aren't there, or that the vast majority of Americans haven't made their choice.

[Nelson]

In another attempt to secure a Nobel Peace Prize, Trump launched airstrikes against suspected terrorists in Nigeria.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-us-struck-isis-nigeria-christmas-attack-11270712

[DaDaDa1776]

If you vote for Democrat or you believe in quote unquote equality, you're the direct cause of this.

Black men are inherently defective. They're unintelligent, have poor impulse control, and have an extreme propensity to violence. White society used to know this, and would subjugate them to protect their women.

Now, we let these savage simians harvest our women for their own enjoyment.

This monkey should be hanging from a tree.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-stabbed-death-barnes-noble-store-florida-police/story?id=128653858

[ducksalad]

Merry Christmas to all, including the many Sleazebags who loved Jeffrey Epstein, gave him bundles of money, went to his Island, attended his parties, and thought he was the greatest guy on earth, only to “drop him like a dog” when things got too HOT, falsely claimed they had nothing to do with him, didn’t know him, said he was a disgusting person, and then blame, of course, President Donald J. Trump, who was actually the only one who did drop Epstein, and long before it became fashionable to do so. When their names get brought out in the ongoing Radical Left Witch Hunt (plus one lowlife “Republican,” Massie!), and it is revealed that they are Democrats all, there will be a lot of explaining to do, much like there was when it was made public that the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax was a fictitious story - a total Scam -
and had nothing to do with “TRUMP.” The Failing New York Times, among many others, was forced to apologize for their bad and faulty Election “Reporting,” even to the point of losing many subscribers due to their highly inaccurate (FAKE!) coverage. Now the same losers are at it again, only this time so many of their friends, mostly innocent, will be badly hurt and reputationally tarnished. But sadly, that’s the way it is in the World of Corrupt Democrat Politics!!! Enjoy what may be your last Merry Christmas! President Donald J. Trump
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Merry Christmas to all, including the Radical Left Scum that is doing everything possible to destroy our Country, but are failing badly. We no longer have Open Borders, Men in Women’s Sports, Transgender for Everyone, or Weak Law Enforcement. What we do have is a Record Stock Market and 401K’s, Lowest Crime numbers in decades, No Inflation, and yesterday, a 4.3 GDP, two points better than expected. Tariffs have given us Trillions of Dollars in Growth and Prosperity, and the strongest National Security we have ever had. We are respected again, perhaps like never before. God Bless America!!! President DJT

[bernard11]

Well done, ducksalad.

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