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Trump's Cruel and Illegal Expanded Travel Ban
A recent White House proclamation further expands his previous travel bans, to the point of barring nearly all legal migration from some 40 countries. Legally, it further underscores that Trump is claiming virtually unlimited executive power to restrict immigration,a claim that runs afoul of the nondelegation doctrine.

On December 16, President Trump issued a proclamation barring nearly all legal migration from some 40 countries. As my Cato Institute colleague David Bier explains in a thorough and insightful post, the new policy goes well beyond Trump's already expansive previous travel bans, causing great harm including separating many US citizens and permanent residents from spouses and children:
President Trump signed a new proclamation that bans nearly all legal immigration from about 40 countries, covering about one in five legal immigrants from abroad and nearly 400,000 legal immigrants over three years. Although it exempts some foreign workers and travelers from certain countries, this ban does not include any categorical exemption or waiver for spouses, minor children, or parents of US citizens or legal permanent residents, making it far harsher than his prior bans.
The ban repudiates the immigration system Congress created. The Trump administration is reimposing via executive order the national origins system that governed immigration policy from 1924 to 1965. After four decades of rigorous debate, Congress ended that system. In the Immigration Act of 1965, it allocated the caps on immigrant visas equally between countries and prohibited discriminating against immigrant visa applicants based on their race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.
David's post effectively outlines the enormous scope of the new ban, and the extensive harm it will cause. He also shows that the supposed security rationale for the policy is utterly indefensible, as immigrants from these countries actually pose little, if any, security risk.
From a constitutional point of view, this proclamation further underscores Trump's claim to virtually unlimited executive discretion to restrict migration, in the process abrogating legal migration pathways established by Congress, including even those for spouses and children of US citizens. In an article on Trump's earlier - already extensive - second-term travel bans, I explained why this violates the nondelegation doctrine, which constrains delegation of legislative power to the executive, and addressed various objections (such as the idea that immigration restriction is actually an inherent executive power; also, I note that Trump v. Hawaii (2018) doesn't preclude nondelegation challenges to executive immigration restrictions, because it did not consider that issue, or even mention it). I think this policy also likely violates the major questions doctrine, which requires Congress to speak clearly when it delegates to the executive the power to decide major economic or political questions.
Nondelegation and major questions are central issues in ongoing challenges to Trump's attempt to impose a $100,000 tax on H-1B visas, and in at least one case challenging the the less extreme travel ban he imposed in June. I hope litigants will raise these issues, here as well.
As James Madison argued, the framers of the Constitution likely did not intend to give the federal government a general power to restrict immigration at all. And they certainly did not mean for such a sweeping power to be exercised at the whim of one man.
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If Ilya doesn't like it, it is a good thing.
This is a good rule of thumb.
This is what Ilya fails to understand. When he advocates for open immigration, basically for everyone on earth and probably aliens if he knew of their existence, he creates the conditions where there’s a backlash. If he would be reasonable and people like him would be reasonable then we could be reasonable, but he’s not. Everyone’s cruel except for him. Everyone’s stupid except for him.
His target audience isn't morons, like you three. Nothing personal!
A culture that hates Jews, Christians gays, western culture and values - Yet Ilya thinks its a good idea to allow unlimited immigration of that culture.
It’s not even like they have good food or particularly attractive women.
Lamb shawarma on hummous is one of the greatest dishes known to mankind.
You can have all of mine
So we can kick out MAGAs?
"Cultures" don't immigrate; people do.
playing stupid word games with the usual lack of substance to his comment. Its the culture of the people Ilya advocates to immigrate to the US
People who want to immigrate are frequently people who don't fit into the culture of their home country.
Thats not what is now currently happening with the ME immigrants - but you already know that which makes your responds even more inane
People who want to immigrate are frequently people who don't fit into the culture of their home country.
On this point, Mr Nieporent is correct. However it would be an error to suppose that they would therefore embrace the culture of the United States. See for example the Frankfurt School Marxists who uprooted themselves from Germany and settled in New York, from where they attempted, fairly successfully, to unravel the threads of Western civilization.
A straightforward rule would be - don't import your sworn enemies.
I would add medieval, totalitarian, pedophilic, and misogynistic.
Simultaneously his precious Israel is exempt from all of his rationalizations because he knows that's what they are and he isn't actually looking to destroy Israel...yet.
In “Goodfellas” lingo
“The Books are Closed”
We’re not taking new members right now, try Africa or Asia.
Frank
“the framers of the Constitution likely did not intend to give the federal government a general power to restrict immigration at all. “
Articles 1 Section 9:
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-9/
Section 9 Powers Denied Congress
Clause 1 Migration or Importation
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
So since 1808, Congress has had the power to prohibit migration of persons and to tax them in excess of ten dollars per person.
Ilya Somin is always doing the bullshitting that American law professors don’t want to do.
I think he overplays his hand here.
But "Ilya Somin is always doing the bullshitting that American law professors don’t want to do" does too.
..."To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"
Also, there is that bit about only natural born citizens being eligible to be President. Of course they granted Congress the power to restrict immigration. lol.
Only Congress has the authority to write immigration laws. Trump doing this is an impeachable offense.
"Trump doing this is an impeachable offense."
What patent nonsense.
Violating the Constitution is impeachable. I don't see how that is controversial.
Presidents have written executive orders unconstitutionally all the time. As a nation, we overrule the unconstitutional order, but we don't impeach or convict.
-dk
A perfect, concise description of the entire article.
Somin refers to "the extensive harm it will cause." But there are no harms. The only supposed harm that the article finds is that some African soccer fans might have to watch some games on tv, instead of traveling thousands of miles to attend in person.
That's harm. Not a lot of harm, but some.
Capricious immigration and visitation policy reduces the ability of the nation to affect the world for good or evil, way out of proportion to actual steps taken, because people who might otherwise do something that is permitted today have to consider whether they will be able to do follow-up activities some other time.
Wonderful news!
And Somin is still a pimp.
Section III(B)(2) of Trump v. Hawaii said Trump had the statutory authority he claimed. Ruling that he had the authority when six or seven countries were restricted but not when 40 countries are restricted requires some arbitrary and artificial line-drawing.
Trump v. Hawaii was a shit decision where SCOTUS re-wrote federal law to their liking. They ignored the non-discrimination clause in the law.
Whether you like the decision or not the SCOTUS ruled that the POTUS has the authority to limit travel into the USA. Or should court decisions be ignored?
That is quite a problem. What do you do when SCOTUS rules based on their own whims and not the law?
How was it not in this law?
Read the dissent. It is all there.
It’s called a dissent for a reason. They lost. Big time - mostly 6-3. Losing that badly, the Dissents aren’t even persuasive. Rather just wishful thinking.
A SCOTUS majority ruled on what they believe the law says. That you disagree means nothing.
I think it was very unwise and impolitic of Congress to have given the President as much discretion over immigration as it has, and I would agree if Professor Somin proposed a new Act of Congress cabining the President’s discretion. If the public becomes fed up with Trump enough to create a political backlash, perhaps in such a climate a new President might be willing to sign such a law or Congress might be able to override a veto.
But Congress has done what it has done. In general, the wisdom and policy of laws are not for the courts to decide. And in areas of war and foreign policy, Congress can constitutionally delegate a great deal more to the President than it can in domestic affairs. In such matters,, where the President is explicitly authorized to do something by statute, his power is at its zenith.
The justifications are just so transparently ridiculous that I don't know how anyone with half a brain could possibly defend them without dying of embarrassment. I'd almost prefer that they went full "saying the quiet part out loud" xenophobia like Trump himself does, because that at least would be honest.
When everyone is allowed in, no one will be allowed in. Under Biden, we saw everyone allowed in.
If you don't believe in limits, people read a post and think, "Yeah, yeah, but he'd let Idi Amin into the country."
This decision is simple self-defense. It speaks volumes when the wealthiest Muslim nations don't allow Muslim immigrants from 3rd world Muslim countries.
We need to turn off the suicidal empathy.
So, you want America to model itself after wealthy Muslim nations?
Hear! Hear!
Always smell it first, I say. This one smells like Stephen Miller, who would probably feel right at home with Roger B. Taney's Court in power.
You would certainly feel right at home in a fascist or communist regime.
I would take Somin a bit more seriously if he actually were to acknowledge that the US has a right to control its borders.
Ilya coined a universal right to immigrate.
He should be dismissed from the faculty of George Mason under the universal right to be rid of charlatans.
United States ex rel. Knauff v. Shaughnessy, 338 U.S. 537, 542 (1950).
Without the right to exclude, a nation is not sovereign.
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 provides:
The statutory language could hardly be clearer, and President Trump is well within his statutory authority.
The aforementioned Knauff case, which predates the INA, presented a very sympathetic alien. Knauff was a German national who had fled Hitler's Germany, eventually given refugee status in England. After the war, she obtained employment with the War Department in Germany, where her work was described as "excellent". She married an honorably discharged American veteran and in 1948 applied for entry into the U.S. under provisions of the War Brides Act. She was denied entry by the Attorney General without hearing for "classified" reasons.
The Court, in a 4-3 decision, upheld her exclusion.
338 U.S. at 542.
So, not only did the President have statutory authority to exclude aliens in the case, he had the inherent authority to do so. The Court also held the President's determination was conclusive and unreviewable by any court, unless a statute expressly provided for court review, notwithstanding the provisions of the War Brides Act.
I think there is little doubt that the current Court would ultimately uphold the current Trump travel ban. However, if I were making the case against it, I would not make the lame arguments Somin is making, arguments he's repeatedly made before, and the Court already rejected in Trump v. Hawaii (2018). I would make the argument Justice Jackson essentially made in his dissent in Knauff.
Jackson conceded that Congress and the President had the authority to exclude aliens, but that the alien should have some opportunity to respond. So, in the current case, President Trump, pursuant to his statutory authority, has determined that the admission of certain aliens would be "detrimental to the interests of the United States." Okay, such an alien seeking admission should at least have some opportunity to show his entry would not be detrimental. This opportunity need not be some formal hearing, but at least some process.
I don't think that argument (or any other) would be successful, but it might be the best available.